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SOPA Creator In TV/Film/Music Industry's Pocket

First time accepted submitter en4bz writes "Representative Lamar Smith, the creator of the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA), has been consistently receiving donations averaging $50 000 from the TV/Film/Music industry for each of his re-election campaigns for the past ten years. Smith has received roughly half a million dollars from the TV/Film/Music lobby over the past ten years according to opensecrets.org. Check out the source link for a full breakdown of donors to Smith's campaigns." Speaking of SOPA, new submitter DarkStar1O9 submits this "explanation in simple terms of why this dangerous new bill in congress could result in the extinction of sites that are based on user-generated content like YouTube, Reddit, and StumbleUpon." Update: 12/18 20:42 GMT by T : An anonymous reader writes "Eric S. Raymond weighs in on SOPA and the question of why so many people hate this bill and not the dozens of others just like it that get passed on a regular basis."

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  1. LOL by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well DUH.

    Go vote for Ron Paul.
     

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    1. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I voted for Ron Paul because some guy told me to do so in the comments section of a YouTube video where a group of monkeys danced to Michael Jackson's Thriller.

      He'll protect the Internet and stuff. I particularly like how he fights for freedom, except if it involves abortion, separation of church and state, gay marriage, gay people in the military,

    2. Re:LOL by SpeZek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your comment is the definition of homophobia. You're afraid of gay people. Quit being such a fucking wimp and deal with your prejudice.

    3. Re:LOL by ninetyninebottles · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How would you like it if you were in the military and had to go through basic training, where the circumstances require you to shower in a room with up to 50 other guys showering in it... and they were allowed to be openly gay?

      Umm, what exactly is the problem with that? Are you afraid the gay will rub off or something?

      It's not like we can separate them from us like they do with female groups...

      Which is itself a relic of gender inequality. I say put everyone together and teach discipline. If you can't behave honorably and control yourself in a shower with your fellow soldiers you shouldn't be in the military in the first place. How can such a person be expected to act under real stress where their suppressing their animal impulses and obeying orders will save the lives of their fellows or prevent the kinds of sickening, dishonorable abuse that has made American soldiers so easy to hate.

      There shouldn't be any openly gay people in the military.

      There shouldn't be homophobes in the military, nor people who can't see past one attribute of a fellow soldier and treat them as a person, with respect and honor.

      Gays need to accept that the way they are is NOT the status quo...

      Prejudiced dinosaurs like yourself need to realize the world has moved on. Ignorance and repression were socially acceptable in the past. People of other races, religions, philosophies, and preferences are as much people as you are and if you can't deal with it and them, you have no place representing the United States of America in any official capacity.

    4. Re:LOL by InsightIn140Bytes · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Frankly, I view abortion, separation of church and state and gay (and shemale) rights as more important than copyright stuff. So no, even if I were US citizen, I would not vote for him.

    5. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not just about copyright, but about free speech as well. And privacy. And getting rid of these idiotic anti-terrorism organizations that thrive on paranoia (and feast on taxpayer money).

      As I said, those issues likely won't get any worse than they already are. Otherwise, with our previous presidents, they would have already done so. I seriously don't see the difference.

    6. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Personally I can't support Ron Paul. I view the Tea Party to be major source of problems with my country and what a lot of people have already forgotten is the Tea Party was born out of a quasi-independent movement based on Libertarianism. Mr. Paul, a staunch Libertarian, may not be directly tied to what is now considered to be the typical 'Tea Party Stupid' segment of our population but he is still it's de-facto leader. He may talk a good game as a candidate but once you dig into the issues, his previous history and the current Tea Party are based on the same socially, financially, and politically conservative principles.

    7. Re:LOL by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      (Caveat: This post was written while I was on the phone with customer service and probably didn't get the full attention an issue like this deserves. I'll respond to clarify if you have questions. )

      His main point is that we are running this country in a much too centralized manner, so EVERYTHING becomes applicable to EVERYONE in the United States. One of the reasons I can support Ron Paul even though I disagree with a lot of his subissues is that I find it more important that we decentralize a lot of topics like this.

      His main issue is one that helps compartmentalize the damage that a voting group can do. It is much more agreeable to me that poor laws can be limited to a subset of states than to have poor laws applied to ALL of the states.

      For example, we have drug legislation that applies to ALL states uniformly. As a result, you have many states like Colorado or California in which their citizens have chosen to legalize Marijuana on a limited basis. You have other states such as New York or Utah in which their citizens have chosen NOT to legalize marijuana.

      It allows local groups of people much greater freedom in deciding what works for them. Naturally we can come up with a whole assortment of issues which we feel should apply to everyone, and each of us is going to have a different set of issues. That's why I can support Ron Paul even though I disagree with him on certain aspects.

      One of the reasons I don't live in DC is because I dislike their local laws. I live in Virginia, but I don't like their personal property taxes. I'm considering moving to Pennsylvania but their alcohol laws are something that has bothered me in the past.

      When it comes to something like marriage, I don't think it should be a federal issue at all, and in that respect, I agree with congressman Paul even though I'm on the completely opposite side from him when it comes to who can get married.

      For me, it's much more important that we don't try to run every issue in this country from Washington DC, because to pretend that there is a uniform US culture, is really going to hurt us in the long run. We can see it now in these repeated deadlocks in which issues which COULD be resolved on more regional/local levels are becoming federal issues because we have given the federal government way too much jurisdiction.

      It's more important to me that things be run in a manner which still allows for a chance to 'escape' from laws which I do not agree with (by moving to a different state), than the very real fear that a slim majority may be able to apply laws which will impact everyone no matter where they go in the country.

      There is no guarantee that 'my' people will be in charge forever, and I think it is much more important to keep the protections for minority groups from being abused by the majority than it is to have a government which can be unlimited in authority.

      It's a bit odd, because I think the best way to ensure that we don't end up with a LOT of bad laws which limit our freedom, is to not allow the federal government absolute power in all areas. In some cases that may mean some regions are 'less free' with respect to a specific issue, but it will also mean that we won't end up with all regions being 'less free' with respect to a specific issue.

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    8. Re:LOL by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      His main point is that we are running this country in a much too centralized manner, so EVERYTHING becomes applicable to EVERYONE in the United States.

      There are two problems with Ron Paul: one, he is religiously motivated, and two, he seems just crazy enough to be sincere about it.

      Certain things should be applicable to "EVERYONE in the United States," as you put it. Among them are educational opportunities. In Ron Paul's ideal society, a child attending public school in Oklahoma City will learn one thing in science class, while a child in Seattle learns something very different.

      Making that happen is very important to the so-called "religious right" in the US. Keeping it from happening is very important to everyone in possession of two or more brain cells. So: no RONPAUL!!! for me, thanks. His idea of "libertarianism" is just the same old schtick of trading one liberty for another.

    9. Re:LOL by misexistentialist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Feminist-progressivism has driven you insane. What kind of discipline is going to stop men from looking at boobs in co-ed showers (and a look, "the male gaze", is enough for women to complain of harassment)? Castration? But killing and dying takes balls, not a suppression of those "animal impulses". I'll agree that guys aren't that sensitive so mixed showers with gays might not be a problem, but sex within communal living situations will erode discipline. Bradley Manning is currently arguing that being gay is a kind of mental illness that made him unfit to serve...will gays always have a "get out of army free card" even after "don't ask don't tell"?

    10. Re:LOL by Vaphell · · Score: 2

      amend the constitution to have it your way, problem solved

      RP is a strict constitionalist and what constitution says (in plain English not in some wishful-thinking-mumbo-jumbo) takes precedence over his personal opinions because the rule of law is where it's at. Well intentioned interpretations that broaden the power of federal government to do good (the ends justify the means) start the slippery slope that sooner or later becomes the rule of men who don't give a shit what the law says and the rights you supposedly have (the patriot act, sopa, ndaa, ... ).

    11. Re:LOL by misexistentialist · · Score: 2

      Maybe he's just modest. It's weird having even a dog look at you naked; now imagine a dog that stares at your cock.

    12. Re:LOL by ninetyninebottles · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Feminist-progressivism has driven you insane.

      Feminist-progressivism? It is funny that espousing opinions often written by legionnaire military leaders is interpreted through the eyes of such sad, pseudo-polysci nonsense.

      What kind of discipline is going to stop men from looking at boobs in co-ed showers (and a look, "the male gaze", is enough for women to complain of harassment)?

      Looking is fine. Staring, leering, and being creepy is disrespectful and dishonorable. Such people are a liability not an asset to a modern military.

      Castration?

      I'm flattered you'd ask my opinion. If it is the only way to control yourself, I say go for it.

      But killing and dying takes balls, not a suppression of those "animal impulses".

      Bullshit. Brave hyped up men and women can do the dying. Soldiers are built of discipline and obeying orders regardless of your emotions is what wins battles.

      I'll agree that guys aren't that sensitive so mixed showers with gays might not be a problem, but sex within communal living situations will erode discipline.

      Please. People have been fucking forever. A disciplined soldier puts that behind them and does their bloody duty when it is time. In their off time, let them screw as they please.

      Bradley Manning is currently arguing that being gay is a kind of mental illness that made him unfit to serve...will gays always have a "get out of army free card" even after "don't ask don't tell"?

      First, this is off topic. Second, if the fact that someone argued something in their defensive arguments on trial were a valid reason to change what we do, we'd all be up shit creek. Berkowitz argued that his dog told him to murder. Does that mean we ban soldiers from owning dogs in case one tries to argue their dog told them to do it and thus use that "get out of jail free" card? What utter and complete nonsense. You should be ashamed of such empty rhetoric.

    13. Re:LOL by Arrepiadd · · Score: 2

      Go back 50 years and replace the word "gay" with "black" or "nigger" and you'll fit right in.

      What's your opinion on "colored" soldiers? If you're ok with them, why not assume you may be wrong when it comes to gay people?

    14. Re:LOL by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 3, Informative

      amend the constitution to have it your way, problem solved

      We don't follow the Constitution we have now, so what difference does it make what it says?

    15. Re:LOL by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Uhhh...I'm pretty sure that all of Ron Paul's beliefs come down to "Its up to the states' which was how the founding fathers meant it to be in the first place.

      If one state wants to make pot legal or abortion illegal or support gay marriage then that is the will of the people of that state and if you don't like it? Well there is no law that says you have to stay in a state you don't agree with. this is one of the few places where i believe the invisible hand actually works as you can simply boycott doing business with a state, gay folks can refuse to vacation there, etc and you can affect change. Frankly I think its the ultra right wing fringe that keeps the issue in the media anyway, most of the rest of us frankly don't give a shit who you sleep with. I mean here I am living dead center in the deep south and our state capital has a large and very nice gay district. Everybody knows, nobody tries to hide it, nobody cares.

      So frankly although i'm as left as left can be, hell my grandfather was a card carrying socialist, I have to say i do agree with Paul that the feds frankly have no business deciding such things that it should be up to the states. if you want to change things you gather petitions, get a measure put on the ballot, and try to get out the vote to change things. That is how it is supposed to work and at the state level it still can, its just that the federal level is got so much big money (as in TFA) that they simply ignore the will of the people. You throw out the bums and the next bunch is cashing their checks before they even get sworn in. I agree with Paul that if we are gonna change anything it needs to go back to having the power at the state level where the people can rally and vote, not at the federal level where you'll need sackfuls of money to even get heard.

      Sadly though he wants to get rid of the fed which means the money men would NEVER let him be president. I mean look at what happened to the last one that tried to bring back the silver cert and get rid of the fed, he didn't get out of Dallas alive. Nowadays they don't even have to do that, they can just make sure their pets in the MSM just pretend the man doesn't exist. I mean look at how many polls the man has won or how much he has been able to raise and the media completely acts like he doesn't even exist while pushing ones like Newt or Mittens which they know have ZERO chance of winning jack shit. hell they might as well call it "The race to lose to Obama" and call it a day.

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  2. Color me surprised... by Joce640k · · Score: 2

    Color me surprised!

    Not.

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  3. No shit? by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which representative isn't in someone's pocket? Good fucking luck finding one...

  4. Broke by Wowsers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Speaking as a non American, this is how the USA looks today to non Americans. The USA economy is broke, bust, only surviving by the willingness of countries like China to prop you up. Like many Western countries, you sent your manufacturing economy abroad, believing in the fairy story of "Intellectual Property" as the new way of making money.

    Intellectual Property is worthless, especially to the many countries that don't care about it. It's not as if the USA cares about fair trade, using geopolitical muscle to frighten smaller states into submission.

    If you keep on electing the same morons who push controls on the internet for big corporate friend donors, then the only person you can blame is yourself.

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    1. Re:Broke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, not quite. US manufacturing has recently been on the decline, yes, but we're still top in the world for now. It's more that Chinese output has skyrocketed in recent years. (data)
       
      With recent increases in Chinese labor costs, the balance is also slowly starting to shift back in our favor. But it remains to be seen what will happen in coming years.

    2. Re:Broke by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you keep on electing the same morons who push controls on the internet for big corporate friend donors, then the only person you can blame is yourself.

      If you lived here you would see the sheer numbers of completely ignorant people there are in this country that don't give a fuck about anything beyond what is happening on Keeping Up With the Kardashians

      Far too many of our populace has become completely complacent. Throw some McDonald's, Coca-Cola, and NASCAR at them and nothing else in the whole goddamned world matters, so long as we're "fighting the terrorists".

      Things will change, it is inevitable as this level of ignorance is unsustainable; unfortunately, this country is going to have to suffer a total economic collapse before people start opening their eyes. I wish it were not so, but there's been a real anti-intellectual bent in this country over the last 30 years or so, so there are just too many people that can't see beyond tomorrow or their own backyards. Hell, any attempt to upset the status quo is widely dismissed and mocked, go to CNN and read the comments on any article about an Occupy protest here in the states and you'll see for yourself what we're fighting against.

      So you tell me, Non-American: what do we do? Start locking up stupid people? Require IQ tests to vote? How do we nullify the moron voter base? They don't want to hear reason, because they're trained by Talk Radio ideologues to distrust anyone that disagrees with them. So what's your solution? Because honestly, we could use one, and I would really like to find one that doesn't involve Hitler-esque eugenics programs...

    3. Re:Broke by artor3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're misinformed. China owns a whopping 8% of the US debt. The country is nowhere near broke. Eliminating the Bush tax cuts and putting some common sense reforms in place in Medicare and Social Security (e.g. means testing, increase the payroll tax cap, allow young healthy people to buy into Medicare) are all we need to get back in the black.

      Our problem is a political one, not an economic one. The Republicans have abandoned any notion of loyal opposition, and now view politics as a war in which one's opponent must be destroyed utterly, no matter the cost. So solutions that are entirely reasonable, such as Obama's proposed plan to reduce the deficit by $2 trillion, get torpedoed, simply because a Democrat proposed them. Instead we get plans like the super committee, which was supposed to cut $600B from each of domestic spending and the military. But even that's too much compromise for the Republicans, so now they're trying to weasel out of the very same deal that they insisted on a few months ago.

      As long as voters continue to view politics as a team sport, we're screwed.

    4. Re:Broke by artor3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Look at Obama. He's honest, smart, and completely helpless. He wasted most of his first two years trying to negotiate with people who had no intention of ever working with him. All the while, his opponents spread vicious lies about "death panels". They accused him of trying to indoctrinate school children when he told them to stay in school. They demonized his wife for suggesting kids shouldn't eat fast food every day. They complained about him raising taxes ("Taxed Enough Already!") when he had actually cut taxes, as part of the stimulus. They lied and lied and lied and the drooling masses lapped it up, with the result that the liars gained power.

      Stupidity and hatred will beat reason and cooperation every time. The GP is optimistic. A total economic collapse will not get the idiots to open their eyes. They'll blame the collapse on whomever Limbaugh tells them to blame. Spoiler alert: they're going to blame liberals, and immigrants, and Muslims, and gays. And the idiot masses will start killing.

    5. Re:Broke by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      The intelligent, honest candidates can't get any campaign funding.

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    6. Re:Broke by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 3, Informative

      6 out of the 10 top Universities are American, the other 4 are English..Note that at No. 1 is Cambridge: http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2011

      Less than 1% here in England drive an American car because, in the main, they're just too shite for words.

      I have an iPhone, but it's made in China, as is my PC. My gogglebox comes from Korea, my motah from Germany, my desk from Sweden & my rug from Iran. Oh, I've just taken stock & the only American object I own is a bloody Weber barbeque.

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    7. Re:Broke by RazorSharp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm an American, but here's my answer to your question: Educate. That's our only hope, to educate our way out of this, and that's where the Democrats should narrow their focus. An uneducated person doesn't understand Rawlsian economics. An uneducated person doesn't understand that the U.S. Constitution is outdated and needs to be replaced. Or that socialism isn't a dirty word.

      What the neo-cons have done is make a religion out of Americanism. They paint their opponents as unpatriotic blasphemers and the general public buys it. They buy it because they're uneducated, which makes them suckers.

      Educate children. Extend the schoolday to 9-10 hours long (most people work at least 8 hours a day, so a 6-7 hour school day necessitates child care of some sort), allow more time for physical activity, self-study, and hands-on learning. Keep these kids away from their idiot parents as long as possible and teach them about the world. Ensure that they're well versed in logic, mathematics, science, and multiple languages. That they are in good physical condition.

      There's this bizarre attitude in this country that a parent knows best. That by becoming a parent, some slumbering genius is awakened in each and every one of us and these instincts will guide our children to happiness. Mothers especially love this bullshit - the "maternal instinct" they speak of so reverently. Of course, they fail to mention that infanticide brought on by postpartum depression is nothing more than "maternal instinct."

      I would rather see a Brave New World than my country devolve into ancient Rome, a land of bread and circuses, which is the way things appear to be headed. Take these kids away from their parents and fill their heads with every bit of objectively verifiable knowledge we can. That way, when they get older and start making subjective assessments, they'll at least be rooted in logic, which is clearly not the case right now.

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    8. Re:Broke by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      The iPhone is made in China, no-one here drives an American car because we have higher fuel prices and smaller roads.

    9. Re:Broke by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Let's be honest here: which 1st world country even wants U.S. citizens moving there? All of the people I know that routinely travel to Europe and Asia on vacation tell people they're Canadian now, because when they were honest and told them they were from the U.S. they were treated like absolute shit, made fun of, kicked out of pubs and restaurants, and generally just fucked with; not all the time, but often enough that it made them feel totally unwelcome even as tourists. Even people that they were engaged in pleasant conversation with would sometimes simply walk away once they found out they were from the states. Now that they tell them they're Canadian none of that happens anymore.

      The "ignorant, brutish American" stereotype has spread across the entire globe, and I can't necessarily even argue against it; the only things many people around the world know about us are totally negative. For every thoughtful, reasonable American citizen there are 10 mouth-breathing retards comparing Islam to Nazism, cheering the deaths of the uninsured and booing one of our own soldiers because he is gay.

    10. Re:Broke by AngryDeuce · · Score: 3, Informative

      It appears that in US politics, appearing intelligent is bad for one's career.

      Well, of course! After all, getting educated is a sign of liberal indoctrination!

    11. Re:Broke by Vaphell · · Score: 2

      you didn't think it over, did you?
      you think that the US is a disaster, that there is a gap between the ruling elite and the masses... so tell me this - who would be responsible for implementing that plan? Wouldn't that be the same bureaucrats that are a part of the problem? Who says they wouldn't take advantage of the situation and brainwash the kids with massive propaganda to support the status quo? And to be clear, Reps are bad, but Dems are not angels either.

      When your problem is too much power in the hands of corrupted elites, you don't solve it by giving them even more power.

    12. Re:Broke by artor3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was a Republican until 2008. Voted for Bush twice. I greatly regret it, and take some solace in the fact that my vote wouldn't have changed the outcome. I went into the 2008 election planning to vote for McCain, and only changed my mind after he brought in Palin and sold his soul to the same Rovian politics used against him 8 years earier (did you know McCain fathered an illegitimate black baby?).

      I am in no way "listening to the reward centers of my brain". Anyone who puts aside their preconceptions and takes a critical view of American politics of the past few years will see that the Democrats are ineffective, but mostly well intentioned. Sometimes their good intentions have harmful effects, but the point is they're trying to help. The same cannot be said of the Republicans.

      The Republicans are trying to destroy the United States government. They openly admit it, saying their plan is to "starve the beast". They want a country with no central government, because that will allow absolute rule by the 1%. They (the 1%) have all the power, in the form of near limitless wealth. Our only tools against them are being slowly taken away. Unions are dying, public programs are being underfunded or privatized, our ability to sue has been replaced by "arbiters" who find for the corporation 97% of the time, and the government itself is being strangled to death. It's class warfare, declared by the rich, and the rich are winning. They will leave this country an empty husk, and retire to some nice Carribbean isles, while we're left behind -- destitute, and looking for someone to blame.

  5. Ron Paul isn't running against Lamar Smith by Weezul · · Score: 4, Informative

    As observed here, we could realistically defeat Lamar Smith in 2012 because his district picks up much of Austin, including the University of Texas. Fill his local media with talk about Lamar Smith's attempt to destroy the internet.

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  6. Re:What? by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it is "user generated" why would anyone take it down?

    Ask Universal Media Group, since they did just that less than a week ago.

  7. Re:What? by ninetyninebottles · · Score: 2

    copyrighted (copywritten?)

    Copyrighted. As in, the government granted monopoly on the right to make copies of a work; ostensibly for the promotion of useful arts and sciences.

  8. Re:Not to mention totally legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This needs to stop NOW! seriously, this is corruption.

  9. Ron Paul is economically illiterate by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree with Ron Paul 100% that we need to get corporate influence out of our politics.

    However, everything else he believes will destroy our economy, his beliefs are economic suicide.

    We don't defeat the plutocracy in Washington DC by embracing a vision even worse than the plutocracy.

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    1. Re:Ron Paul is economically illiterate by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      That's basically what protests are. There are very few people who will get fired for their cause, so the only ones who go to protests are students and the unemployed. Their counterparts across the divide in the Tea Party movement are every bit as bad with their trefoil hats, and for exactly the same reason. The non-freaks are too busy trying to pay the bills to go on marches.

    2. Re:Ron Paul is economically illiterate by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

      it's like listening to a goddamn creationist

      would you please educate yourself as to simple facts of economics and economic history before you vomit this quasireligious belief system of yours in defiance of reality and obvious facts?

      you need a central reserve, you idiot. it's not because the Bilderberg Group wants to impoverish you for fun, or whatever the paranoid schizophrenic narrative it is that underlies your delusions. it's to prevent this:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banking_crises

      WHY did these bank runs happen, genius? WHAT safeguard prevents them, einstein?

      please, start with that link, and EDUCATE YOURSELF, you deranged fool

      power in the hands of ron paul, who thinks like you, will destroy our economy. i know you don't understand this, that's what makes you so goddamn dangerous. that so many crackpots are out there like you who believe this ignorant tripe about economics

      YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ECONOMICS

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    3. Re:Ron Paul is economically illiterate by Vaphell · · Score: 2

      with the federal reserve you got the financial sector growing like cancer, devouring everything in its path, offloading bank risk on taxpayers and a systemic collapse of world economy. Yup, sounds a lot like progress.
      Besides you don't bank runs because there is no lender of last resort, but because banks are allowed to have tiny amount of reserves (fractional reserve banking)

  10. ESR on SOPA opponents by Kohath · · Score: 2

    ESR on SOPA opponents:

    It’s a bad bill, all right. It’s a terrible bill – awful from start to finish, idiotic to the core, corruptly pandering to a powerful special-interest group at the cost of everyone else’s liberty.

    But I can’t help noticing that a lot of the righteous panic about it is being ginned up by people who were cheerfully on board for the last seventeen or so government power grabs – cap and trade, campaign finance “reform”, the incandescent lightbulb ban, Obamacare, you name it – and I have to wonder

    Don’t these people ever learn? Anything? Do they even listen to themselves?

    It’s bizarre and entertaining to hear people who yesterday were all about allegedly benign and intelligent government interventions suddenly discovering that in practice, what they get is stupid and vicious legislation that has been captured by a venal and evil interest group.

    Yeah, no shit? How...how do they avoid noticing that in reality it’s like this all the time?

    1. Re:ESR on SOPA opponents by Halo1 · · Score: 2

      ESR on SOPA opponents:

      It's bad bunch of drivel, alright. It's a terrible flamebait — awful from start to finish, idiotic to the core, superficially pandering to the populist notion that pretty much everything a government does by definition must be evil.

      Buit I can't help noticing that a lot of people critical about ESR's latest outings are the same people who've been cheerfully referring to other texts by him over the past decade — Cathedral and the Bazaar, The Magic Cauldron, you name it — and I have to wonder.

      Don't these people ever learn? Anything? Do they even listen to themselves?

      It's bizarre and entertaining to hear people who yesterday who were all about allegedly benign and intelligent analysis on open source economics by ESR are suddenly discovering that in practice, what they get is stupid and vicious comments that has been captured by a venal and shortsighted view about society.

      Yeah, no shit? How....how do they avoid noticing that in reality nothing is black and white, and that in fact almost everyone and every organisation/institution says and does both intelligent and stupid things? And that in case of large organisations, it may even depend on whose actually in charge about something, or the topic it is about?

      (before replying, please read the parent's citation)

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    2. Re:ESR on SOPA opponents by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Correct. It's a de-facto ban on plain old incandescent bulbs because they can't possibly meet the new efficiency standards, but the hallogen bulbs can. It's just called a 'lightbulb ban' by opponents because it's an easier way to stir people up then honestly describing what the law actually does - and shorter too. Shorter helps a lot.

    3. Re:ESR on SOPA opponents by bigtrike · · Score: 2

      How about if my neighbors mind their own business while I dump mercury into my land? It's not my problem if they have to spend money to clean their well water.

      I don't agree with SOPA, but I hardly see how citing examples of government taking action to avoid a tragedy of commons and declaring it a slippery slope helps the argument against it.

  11. Serious question: ***Warning requires effort*** by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does someone want to reply to this post with a list of Senators/Representatives who are for SOPA? If Slashdot had a list of these people, we could just vote them out next election. Intent to violate our first amendment rights should be a good reason to vote them out.

    1. Re:Serious question: ***Warning requires effort*** by icebraining · · Score: 4, Informative

      List of SOPA cosponsors who have received donations from big media, compiled by the Sunlight Foundation: http://reporting.sunlightfoundation.com/2011/legacy-media-bankrolling-campaigns-of-SOPA-consponsors/

  12. Re:Not to mention totally legal by ATMAvatar · · Score: 2

    Trading money for votes may be legal, but it is neither fair nor ethical. Stop being a shill.

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  13. Re:Not to mention totally legal by Transfinite · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yup I guess corruption could be seen as a form of speech. Still it is corruption and should have no place whatsoever in politics.

  14. Re:Not to mention totally legal by Berkyjay · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just because it is technically legal doesn't mean it isn't corrupt. There is such a thing as rigging the system to legally profit from selling influence. That is pretty much what lobbying has become. Sure, if we all had the same amount of money to throw around at politicians maybe it would work for everyone. But since a very small percentage of US citizens hold most of the money, that influence is unevenly distributed.

  15. "Do-noting Congress"? by LostCluster · · Score: 2

    NBC reported last week that this Congress is on a pace for a record low number of bills passed, and cited the failed Super-Committee effort to reach a budget deal as one of the time wasters as they were doing that required-to-keep-the-Government-running step rather than marking off new territory. So, it looks like we're going to have SOPA floating around for the rest of this term until January 2013...

    1. Re:"Do-noting Congress"? by Scareduck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yay for the "do-nothing Congress!"

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      It's interesting to me that Smith is in Texas. It always seems like the entertainment biz is keeping cow state politicians in cash. For a long time, one of the senators from South Carolina -- I want to say Ernest/Fritz Hollings -- was in Disney's pocket. The lesson seems to be, buy a Southern politician: they're cheaper and they stay bought.

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  16. Re:Not to mention totally legal by Berkyjay · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, it is all well and good to bring in so called "expertise and nuance" into government so that legislators can make informed decisions. So can I assume that you would be OK with eliminating campaign contributions from these so called experts? Because if not, what you wrote is a bunch of BS and just a convenient excuse for buying off politicians.

  17. Shockingly small amounts of money by transporter_ii · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the shocking things to me is how cheap it is to buy your own laws. A million people could part with one dollar and easily block these laws. A million people isn't even 1% of the population. I think we need to start a PAC (or some type of corporation) and start buying our laws just like everyone else. Surly, as non-caring as everyone is about these issues, we could get 1% of the population to go in on some laws that favor the people.

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  18. Re:Not to mention totally legal by lacaprup · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Individual natural persons have rights. Corporations are legal constructs, which means that the concept of corporations having rights makes no sense.

    I would refer you to Dartmouth College v. Woodward 1819. The U.S. was built on corporations having rights. It's one of several factors that made us the most powerful nation in history.

  19. Re:Not to mention totally legal by Berkyjay · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "In the case of this issue, you have huge corporations with vast sums of money working on both sides of the issue." That's your justification? So it's not corruption because we have huge corporate proxies fighting for both sides? This is laughable. It' not about which side you are on. It's about the fact that money is involved in influencing a politician to legislate favorably to those who support their campaign efforts. I don't care which side you are on, this is corrupt and it's not how our government is supposed to work. There was never any vision for paid lobbyists within our system. Congressmen and Senators are supposed to be influenced by the voters in their states and districts, not to the corporation who throws the most money at them.

  20. As an American, I can tell you what to do by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The moron vote is herded like cattle by demagogues who are paid to do so by the Faux News corporate propaganda machine. The demagogues appeal to their prejudices, to ignore the policies that might hurt the plutocracy. So you have the insane situation where the lower middle class hates health care reform, where they are the actual benefactors of health care reform. We have a dynamic where their health and the education of their children is damaged by policies they fully support, because they believe fairy tales like welfare queens with 20 kids and lazy illegal immigrants, that that is the real threat. And they don't want to reward these stereotypes. When of course it is themselves who are having their benefits removed, and the real threat is the corporation who doesn't want their bottom line impacted and the health care insurance corporation who wants the money to keep flowing in the wasteful healthcare system we have.

    So what do you do? Forget the morons for a moment, you can't do anything about them. Aim like a laser beam on one issue that even the morons understand: corporate influence in our politics. Keep up a constant drumbeat of how our elected representatives represent the influence of those who pay for the reelection campaigns, rather than the actual people they are supposed to serve. Even a moron can get behind that. It will take time, but enough inertial movement will eventually be established that the point will be too loud and obvious, and even the demagogues can't distract the morons anymore from the real tragedy going on.

    It is "We the people", not "we the rich people and the corporations." Hammer on that point every day. This is the weak point in the propaganda machine that the lower middle class morons are currently under full influence of. Their standard of living gets worse every day. And it is exactly because of the agenda of those who pay for the propaganda machine that keeps them spellbound. Break the spell. Show the little plutocrat behind the curtain creating the illusion of the fake frightening Oz.

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  21. Re:Not to mention totally legal by Berkyjay · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't you see that in the current system most of us are deprived access to influence? Our votes are the only power we have in this system. I'll never be able to influence my local congressman to pass legislation that favors me, especially if the local corporation can work against me and contribute far more money to their campaign than I can. The simple reality is that this is about who should have the political influence in our country. Because if money is removed from the electoral process then you pretty much remove the influence of corporations and give the power back to the individual voter. But that will never happen will it? Politicians love their money too much and corporations love their influence too much and the American public just sleeps.

  22. Wrong on 3 out of 4 by witherstaff · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wrong on 3 out of 4. I know it's snark but why not - I'll give a guy who delivered 4000 babies a pass for abortion, then again from a moral point of view contraceptives are everywhere and adoptions work (Have 2 adopted in my family). Of course he believes it should be a state issue not a fed issue. Gay - and straight - marriage should not involve the gov at all. The idea that the gov gives us the right to marry is asinine. RP supports gays in the military. He voted for repealing Don't ask don't tell. He thinks everyone should have the liberty to do as they want.

    Separation of Church and state isn't spelled out in the constitution. Personally I find it silly that even at a township level when a new board is sworn in they do the 'so help you god'. Then again with hundreds of recognized religions, being able to sign up to be a legal minister over the 'net (Universal Life Church even accepts atheists) I'm fine with that. There are far more interesting things than the 10 commandments to put on buildings.

    1. Re:Wrong on 3 out of 4 by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      adoptions work

      They don't work when a woman has an ectopic pregnancy and would die if she actually had to undergo childbirth. Rep Paul claims he is 100% against abortion under any circumstances. He supports a constitutional amendment saying life begins at conception. That means such a woman would have no choice but to die in childbirth. Apparently his "4000" baby deliveries did not give him much regard for the girl babies who grow up to be women. He wants "small government" but he's got no problem turning every bathroom where a miscarriage has taken place into a crime scene.

      And abortion is not nearly Ron Paul's worst position. He is an unbalanced old crank who would see the country fail before questioning a single one of his absolutist beliefs.

      The place for unbalanced old cranks is the House of Representative, where Rep Paul's permanent crankiness and occasional shit-in-your-pants insanity can actually provide an opportunity for testing some of the flabby rationale of most legislation and where he can't do much damage.

      He just doesn't belong in the White House, where he could do a LOT of damage.

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    2. Re:Wrong on 3 out of 4 by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Informative

      Separation of Church and state isn't spelled out in the constitution.

      Separation of Church and State is a concept much older than the Constitution.
      It gets credited to British philosopher John Locke, whose writings heavily influenced the men who framed and drafted the Constitution.
      (The same people liberally borrowed from the Virginia Declaration of Rights, also influenced by Locke, when they drafted the Declaration of Independence)

      Heck, the Declaration of Independence's famous phrase about 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness'
      is a gently massaged version of Locke's idea that 'life, liberty, and property' are inalienable rights.

      And ultimately, the Supreme Court has repeatedly affirmed and upheld Jefferson's belief that:
      "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" = " a wall of separation between Church & State"
      P.S. Jefferson said that 209 years ago, so you really can't get much more originalist than that.

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  23. Re:Not to mention totally legal by drkstr1 · · Score: 2

    Which is why political lobbies love the two party system...

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  24. I Have a Better Idea by Greyfox · · Score: 2

    Just vote them all out. This entire Congress is ineffective and corrupt. Let's turn it into a revolving door until we find some people who care more about the American people than making money for the next election.

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    1. Re:I Have a Better Idea by Greyfox · · Score: 2

      Right now we could pick people randomly from the phone book and have better results than what we currently do. I'm sure a few election cycles of flushing Congress would do us a lot of good.

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  25. Re:Not to mention totally legal by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The U.S. was built on corporations having rights

    No. The U.S. was built on slave labour and international swindles.

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  26. I think the point was by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    that Ron Paul's being put forward as the candidate for personal freedom, but that his stance on several issues isn't consistent with the ideology of personal freedom so long as you're not infringing on others. If personal freedom is a core tenet of his ideology it stands to reason he would apply it at a Federal level; because it's a basic principle he would found government on. You wouldn't leave such things up to the States, any more than you would leave them up to individual counties. e.g. If you start breaking down your core principles of governing and saying that you can leave them up to a smaller body of gov't (States instead of Federal), where does it end? Couldn't separate laws apply depending on what part of the city you live in? But even the code of Hammurabi required the law apply equally to everyone.

    So to summarize: If you can't count on Ron Paul to apply what he touts as his basic principles of gov't at the national level, then what business does he have running the national gov't?

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    1. Re:I think the point was by Vaphell · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is that thing called the US constitution. It says that the federal level of government can do only so much and there rest is none of its business. RP being strict constutionalist thinks that the constitution says what it says in plain English and the words written there have precedence over his personal beliefs.
      If you want to have something else, you need to do it the right way and amend the constitution, not to reinvent the meaning of the words only because the ends would justify the means. Well intentioned creative interpretations start the slippery slope and sooner or later you go from the rule of law to the rule of men who don't care what the law actually says and what rights you supposedly have.

    2. Re:I think the point was by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right, but certain laws are not legal in any state because they violate what we consider core tenets of a just society. Freedom of speech and the right to bear arms are the Republican's favorites. Freedom from discrimination is the Dems. Those are core ideological concepts for how a just society is governed. What the grandparent was getting at is that Ron Paul espouses a core ideology that is built around personal freedom, but refuses to back that up with policy. He can still be a constitutionalist and be consistent with this ideology. All he has to do is start lobbying for an amendment to make gay marriage a right. But he's not doing that, and so his position is ideologically inconsistent.

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    3. Re:I think the point was by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd agree with you if Marriage was simply a religious our thought construct without any legal or financial ramifications. But that's not the case. Marriage is defined in our legal system as a certain type of contract between two individuals. There are many practical effects to Marriage; insurance, divorce proceedings, child visitation rights, etc. The argument goes that the Gays can have something like Marriage but that's not Marriage. The trouble with that is that in law small differences in wording make big differences. If you give them Marriage w/o the legal effect it's not Marriage. If you pass a law that says Gay unions are just like Marriage, well, you've just legalized Gay Marriage.

      What defines 'Gay' doesn't matter. What matters is that two consenting adults are allowed to enter into a free contract that is recognized as having certain legal advantages and obligations; and are allowed to do so so long as positive harm to society cannot be show. This is not a fundamental human condition; it's just requiring that the law apply equally to all.

      Now, if you're argument is based on the fact that homosexual Marriage is inherently harmful to society, then you've got something there. Your freedom ends where other people's freedom begins. We don't let cousins marry because their offspring would have deformities due to inbreeding. There is positive harm to society and the child by allowing that. We also do not allow Polygamy, because allowing one man to monopolize the pool of available women creates a dangerously unstable society (e.g. lots of men with no prospects for a mate running around angry and violent). I don't want to start of this debate, I'm just trying to point out that if you're a libertarian you need a different argument against homosexual Marriage besides 'State's rights'.

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  27. Re:Not to mention totally legal by jo42 · · Score: 2

    Didn't we used to hang corrupt politicians?

  28. Re:Not to mention totally legal by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Are you seriously suggesting that a system in which corporations funnel money to campaigns based on politicians' votes, and politicians know this and cast their votes accordingly, is in any material way distinguishable from "trading money for votes"?

  29. do you know what i honestly think? by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i think you are gay. you are a closeted homosexual who has not come to grips with the contrast between his upbringing and what your family and society expects of you and your true innate homosexual impulses. i'm being serious

    look: as a heterosexual male, homosexuality or gay men have no effect on me. it doesn't frighten me. it doesn't arouse me. it doesn't confuse me. it doesn't do anything for me at all. i feel nothing. make me watch gay porn for hours and what will i do? i will fall asleep. BECAUSE I'M NOT GAY

    now show some me a pair of full breasts or a nice ass, and i will get promptly aroused and excited. because i'm a heterosexual male. duh! show me two guys kissing and what do i feel? anger? arousal? confusion? no, i feel nothing

    so whenever i see someone getting REALLY upset at this hypothetical shower scenario, i think: you are a closeted homosexual. if you were straight, you simply would not care

    and in fact i think a lot of homophobia is driven by people like you: deeply closeted gay men deeply in the closet, projecting their internal psychological struggle onto the outside world. we suffer, because you haven't come to grips and made peace with the fact you are a gay man. accept it, deal with, move on, and stop forcing us to bear witness to your ugly struggle between the societal expectations you have internalized and your true identity

    i'm 100% serious. the greatest loudest homophobes in this world are deeply closeted gay men. no one else except them care so much about homosexuality. i'm looking at you rick santorum

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  30. ESR == Libertarianism W/o Context by cmholm · · Score: 2

    So, ESR considers equates SOPA with the following as power grabs:

    >> "cap and trade, campaign finance “reform”, the incandescent lightbulb ban, Obamacare, you name it"

    More to the point, he equates attempts to assist the public interest by: 1) mitigating climate change, 2) limiting the power of big money to buy representation and reelect entrenched incumbents, and 3) provide health insurance as a public service rather than a profit center to putting the Federal Government at the full disposal of entrenched IP rent collectors.

    Coming from Eric, or anyone else, this demonstrates my problem with libertarians: glued to a dogma, regardless of the context.

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  31. Re:The truly educated man by HopefulIntern · · Score: 2

    How odd. I thought we were talking about education, not brainwashing. Because a truly educated man (or woman) would read enough history to know that every time socialism is tried it always devolves into tens (or hundreds of millions) dead and the state standing on your throat.

    Seems to work pretty well for us here in Norway. Or did you mean communism?

  32. Re:Americans are not willing to pay the bill by tbannist · · Score: 2

    There's a several infographics around that show how the majority of the deficit is attributable to Bush policies. About 90-95% of it is the tax cuts, the wars, and the unfunded drug plan extensions. Ironically, the Bush tax cuts gave away about the same amount of money as the Bush wars cost. Talk about doubling down on stupidity. Bush should have raised taxes by 3% on those earning more than $250,000 per year and the debt would have grown only by the 1.8 trillion spent on stimulus. Which could be easily be paid for out of the taxes after the wars ended.

    The U.S. is more than able to pay for it's programs. However, the people with 40% of the money would rather not.

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