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China Now Top Patent Filer

smitty777 writes "China has passed the U.S. as the number-one filer of patents this year, according to a report by Thompson Reuters. With an average annual increase of 16.7%, China has filed 314,000 patents last year. This brings the total share of China in worldwide holdings up from 54% to 58%. However, according to legal expert Elliot Papageorgiou: 'One thing is volume, quality is quite another. The return, or the percentage of grants, of the patents is still not as high in China as, say, in the U.S., Japan or some places in Europe.' This was also a record year for patent filing over all, according to the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). According to their numbers, worldwide patent applications are up 7.2%, at 1.98 million in 2010. FTA: 'WIPO Director General Francis Gurry on Tuesday attributed the rise to the "knowledge economy" and globalization led by U.S. and Chinese innovation.'"

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  1. First post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whopdeedoo.

    Like most of China's academic papers these patents will also be worthless garbage.

  2. Quality by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're complaining about the quality of Chinese patents?

    1. Re:Quality by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thats like 1 in every 3000 people having created something worthy of a patent.

      I call bullshit on that.

      Yeah, the USA rate of 1 patent in every 1000 people , per year, is much more reasonable. The Chinese are slacking.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, stops.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, turns left.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, turns rightt.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, goes down.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, goes up.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, turns around, goes 10 feet.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, stops.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, turns left.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, turns rightt.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, goes down.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, goes up.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, turns around, goes 10 feet.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, stops.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, turns left.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, turns rightt.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, goes down.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, goes up.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, turns around, goes 20 feet.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, stops.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, turns left.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, turns rightt.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, goes down.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, goes up.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, turns around, goes 20 feet.

      ...

      Yeah, they'll lock up all the Veeblefetzer and you'll be stuck making do with a Potrzebie

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    2. Re:Quality by rossdee · · Score: 2

      I think they measure in metres there.
      A meter is a device. a metre is a unit of length. (At least in the rest of the world.outside USA)

    3. Re:Quality by nfras · · Score: 2

      If you want to try to correct someone, at least make sure you're right. It's spelled meters everywhere I've been (no I haven't been to UK).

      Looks like you've only ever been in the US then

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    4. Re:Quality by Filip22012005 · · Score: 3, Informative

      You wikipedia page doesn't say that at all. Some languages that also spell "meter" (from the left-hand frame):
      - Afrikaans
      - Allemanisch
      - Bahasa Banjar
      - Dansk
      - Deutch
      - Frysk
      - Bahasa Indonesia
      - Limburgs
      - Lumbaart
      - Bahasa Melayu
      - Nederlands
      - Norsk

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  3. This, finally, will bring sanity to the system by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The US will not be so lenient in granting patents for everything stupid little thing when it benefits non-US companies as much or more than our own.

    I suppose bias against Chinese-originated patents could stifle this... but I suppose they will just create shell companies to work around that.

    1. Re:This, finally, will bring sanity to the system by OliWarner · · Score: 2

      Isn't it more likely that patriotic USPTO staff will just rush through any old rubbish (worse than now) to make sure every vague hint of an idea is owned by the US?

    2. Re:This, finally, will bring sanity to the system by Kenja · · Score: 2

      No, the US will just patent ALL the stupid stuff first! Do you want us to have a PATENT GAP! Well DO YOU!

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    3. Re:This, finally, will bring sanity to the system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The USPTO stance is that if you want to get a shoddy patent they'll let you, but it's your ass in court if it's easily invalidated. The problem is that the courts are reluctant to invalidate the bogus patents because they don't know the technology well enough.

  4. What's a "knowledge economy"? by cmv1087 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it where companies hoard patents on irrelevant things and use them to sue the pants off competitors?

    1. Re:What's a "knowledge economy"? by Nerdfest · · Score: 2

      Yes. Also known as the economy where you can only actually make money if you're a lawyer, right up until the economy crashes. I give it seven years.

  5. Haha, oops :) by youn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    hopefully the us gets an incentive to fix the patent system. China is as entitled to patents as any other country... but the fact that the usa does not want to be deadlocked by china may give an incentive to fix the patent system :)

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    1. Re:Haha, oops :) by nzac · · Score: 2

      That paper is still good for buying stuff that makes there economy stronger. If you have paper to burn and totalitarian authority then you can fix anything economy related. They can just stop their citizens from buying expensive stuff from overseas.

      You assume that the US would work if everyone though it was only paper. No one would trade oil, food and other stuff for paper. Just like no one would want just paper for their latest technology.

      Also its "paper" that stops the Chinese factories from seizing the fab plants and selling everything without R&D costs.

      No one has the balls (or ever should) to start a war between nuclear powers. Unless you can stop all the missiles (Russia thinks attempting to do this is a hostile act) you cannot win or benefit from open war.

  6. China now top patent DEfiler by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 3, Funny

    Fixed that for you

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    1. Re:China now top patent DEfiler by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      China now top patent DEfiler

      I think the country with the highest number of patent trolls deserves that particular title don't you?

      (take a guess which country that is)

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  7. Re:US has patents mostly because of... by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because those companies with a butt load a patents - ibm, microsoft, apple - are not american companies?

  8. quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "One thing is volume, quality is quite another..."

    Right. 'Cause, ya know, the U.S.A. cranks-out quality patents all day.

  9. % before the numbers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    its 54%, not %54

    get a brain morans

    1. Re:% before the numbers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      http://www.google.se/search?q=get+a+brain+morans

  10. U.S. grants a higher percentage? by HtR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If anything, I would think that granting a higher percentage of patents is a sign of lower quality.

    But then again, I also don't see more patents as a rise in the "knowledge economy" or globalization lead by innovation.

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  11. Re:US has patents mostly because of... by dbIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not for years. They are very much multinationals - for instance IBM has a lot of staff in China working remotely on systems that are not in China.

  12. Uh, oh... by Thangodin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Neil DeGrasse Tyson, in his talk at last years TAM, showed us a world map that illustrated the number of new scientific research papers filed by country. In 2000, the U.S. was still a leader. Then he showed the 2008 map, and the U.S. looked like a deflated balloon. My comment at the time was that primary research shows you applied research ten years down the road, and industrial innovation 20 years down the road. Guess I was right.

    Tyson's point was that the Bush administration's defunding of pure science was reflected in the map. Much as libertarians don't like to hear this, private research goes into low hanging fruit. Primary research is too risky, particularly since, if done right, it enters the public domain. Only a handful of companies do this (IBM and Google, take a bow--Apple and Microsoft, sit down.) Medical advances are particularly susceptible to this. The computer revolution came from NASA and the Apollo project, the internet came from DARPA funding of AT&T for the creation of resilient network (those same Bell labs are now beggars at the table of Alcatel, a French company.)

    Every other country that is a major player is spending a lot on primary research, and this funding is coming from the government. It's infrastructure, it lays the road for the business of the future, and its the one area where the government excels. China is spending a fortune on this, and we've exported all of our know how to them already, When IBM farms out manufacturing to another country, they send their engineers there to teach the manufacturers exactly what to do, and many other companies do exactly the same thing. They know almost everything we know, but we don't know everything they know--not anymore.

    The Greatest Generation, the people who grew up in the depression and fought the Axis, understood responsibility. They did a lot of things wrong, but they knew how to work together towards a better future, and our standard of living is the result of that. Can you imagine rubber and silk drives today? Americans couldn't even be bothered to pay higher taxes for Iraq and Afghanistan, even while they made noises about supporting the troops. It's time to grow up and carry not only our weight, but more than our weight, and pass a torch that burns brighter for our having held it. So the next time you hear the latest Fox demagogue complaining about taxes, and demanding lower taxes, imagine how his belly aching would have sounded in the 40's.

    1. Re:Uh, oh... by JonySuede · · Score: 2

      Sorry to sounds like a monopolist apologist but Microsoft does it for pure CS. THE paper on monad from ms research is purely theoretical and yet F# and linq are influenced by it. The series of papers on UI from the team that made the courier experiment are top notch but it will take almost decade for them to percolate into production.

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  13. Re:US has patents mostly because of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is no such thing as an American company. Corporations are not physical entities, they have no national loyalty. They are not supporting any national economy. They are parasites that are only serving themselves. Any benefit to the host country is purely accidental.

  14. prefix or postfix? by robvangelder · · Score: 3, Informative

    The % sign does not appear before the number. Please do not make me angry.

  15. Correct by sonamchauhan · · Score: 2

    And higher taxes may increase revenue...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve

    Economist Paul Pecorino presented a model in 1995 that predicted the peak of the Laffer curve occurred at tax rates around 65%.[12] A 1996 study by Y. Hsing of the United States economy between 1959 and 1991 placed the revenue-maximizing tax rate (the point at which another marginal tax rate increase would decrease tax revenue) between 32.67% and 35.21%.[13] A 1981 paper published in the Journal of Political Economy presented a model integrating empirical data that indicated that the point of maximum tax revenue in Sweden in the 1970s would have been 70%.[14] A recent paper by Trabandt and Uhlig of the NBER presented a model that predicted that the US and most European economies are on the left of the Laffer curve (in other words, that raising taxes would raise further revenue).[15] The New Palgrave Dictionary of Economics reports that for academic studies, the mid-range for the revenue maximizing rate is around 70%.[16]

    However, a study by Teather and Young of the conservative Adam Smith Institute using evidence from the Republic of Ireland has suggested that the optimal rate for capital gains tax, as opposed to income tax, may be around 20%, but this is at least partly due to savvy taxpayers holding onto assets in anticipation of tax rates being lowered in the future.[17] A 2007 study by the conservative think tank, the American Enterprise Institute, found that the revenue maximizing rate for corporate taxes in OECD countries was about 26%, down from about 34% in the 1980s.[18]

  16. Re:US has patents mostly because of... by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

    Wrong. Its about the number of patents filed in the China Patent Office vs United States Patent Office

  17. Yeah that was my first thought too by Weaselmancer · · Score: 2

    Except I'm not worried about bias, I'm thinking that if the Chinese get enough patents to lock the United States out of their own patent system that will be the state of affairs that finally sinks the whole software patent thing. If you have to send two bucks to China every time you write a Hello World program, maybe that will finally display just how broken the system is.

    Once large corporate interests figure out that patents cost them more than they help them, that's when reform will suddenly become important. So GO CHINA and torpedo the whole thing! Best of luck to you guys.

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    rediculous.
  18. You are clueless by Weezul · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, quality counts in academic papers, but .. crappiness counts in patents.

    Yes, crappiness mildly obstructs obtaining the patent, fine file more patents. Yet, crappiness is an incredible asset once you obtaing the patent, but the more overboard, the more people you can sue.

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  19. Re:"intellectual property" sounds weird... by tehcyder · · Score: 2

    What your mind creates should not be anyone's property, not even your own. If you want complete control over your ideas and creations, keep them to yourself. Once knowledge is out, it's out, you do not own it, and neither do I.

    Bollocks, if I write a poem, then it is my creation. Until we live in a communist society based on "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" I need to be able to earn money from that creation in exactly the same way a lawyer does.

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