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China Now Top Patent Filer

smitty777 writes "China has passed the U.S. as the number-one filer of patents this year, according to a report by Thompson Reuters. With an average annual increase of 16.7%, China has filed 314,000 patents last year. This brings the total share of China in worldwide holdings up from 54% to 58%. However, according to legal expert Elliot Papageorgiou: 'One thing is volume, quality is quite another. The return, or the percentage of grants, of the patents is still not as high in China as, say, in the U.S., Japan or some places in Europe.' This was also a record year for patent filing over all, according to the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). According to their numbers, worldwide patent applications are up 7.2%, at 1.98 million in 2010. FTA: 'WIPO Director General Francis Gurry on Tuesday attributed the rise to the "knowledge economy" and globalization led by U.S. and Chinese innovation.'"

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  1. First post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whopdeedoo.

    Like most of China's academic papers these patents will also be worthless garbage.

    1. Re:First post by demiurg · · Score: 1

      Patent quality not always matters, sheer numbers often are more important. As patents for certain technologies are counted in thousands, do you really think somebody can actually evaluate all these patents? Have you tried to read a patent and figure out what it is about? Patents are written in such way that it takes a lot of time to analyze. This is way in the end what counts is the number of patents, not the quality - nobody can evaluate the quality of say 10K patents.

  2. Quality by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're complaining about the quality of Chinese patents?

    1. Re:Quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thats like 1 in every 3000 people having created something worthy of a patent.

      I call bullshit on that.

    2. Re:Quality by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thats like 1 in every 3000 people having created something worthy of a patent.

      I call bullshit on that.

      Yeah, the USA rate of 1 patent in every 1000 people , per year, is much more reasonable. The Chinese are slacking.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, stops.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, turns left.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, turns rightt.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, goes down.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, goes up.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, turns around, goes 10 feet.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, stops.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, turns left.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, turns rightt.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, goes down.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, goes up.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 10 feet, turns around, goes 10 feet.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, stops.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, turns left.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, turns rightt.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, goes down.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, goes up.

      Patent Applied for: Left-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, turns around, goes 20 feet.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, stops.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, turns left.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, turns rightt.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, goes down.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, goes up.

      Patent Applied for: Right-handed Veeblefetzer goes 20 feet, turns around, goes 20 feet.

      ...

      Yeah, they'll lock up all the Veeblefetzer and you'll be stuck making do with a Potrzebie

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    3. Re:Quality by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 1

      I don't care, as long as the Potrzebie is also cromulent.

    4. Re:Quality by Taty'sEyes · · Score: 1

      I think they measure in meters there.... SMile

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    5. Re:Quality by rossdee · · Score: 2

      I think they measure in metres there.
      A meter is a device. a metre is a unit of length. (At least in the rest of the world.outside USA)

    6. Re:Quality by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      I pretty sure that not all the rest of the world outside the US speaks English.

    7. Re:Quality by SharkLaser · · Score: 1

      If you want to try to correct someone, at least make sure you're right. It's spelled meters everywhere I've been (no I haven't been to UK).

    8. Re:Quality by nikanth · · Score: 1

      They're complaining about the quality of Chinese patents?

      Keep in mind that all the original brands are also made in China

    9. Re:Quality by nfras · · Score: 2

      If you want to try to correct someone, at least make sure you're right. It's spelled meters everywhere I've been (no I haven't been to UK).

      Looks like you've only ever been in the US then

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    10. Re:Quality by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      Yeah. I have the same issue when I read Liter, which is acceptable in US English.

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    11. Re:Quality by Filip22012005 · · Score: 3, Informative

      You wikipedia page doesn't say that at all. Some languages that also spell "meter" (from the left-hand frame):
      - Afrikaans
      - Allemanisch
      - Bahasa Banjar
      - Dansk
      - Deutch
      - Frysk
      - Bahasa Indonesia
      - Limburgs
      - Lumbaart
      - Bahasa Melayu
      - Nederlands
      - Norsk

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    12. Re:Quality by kikito · · Score: 1

      I'm not in USA and it's also meters for me. I had a USA English teacher.

      Also, the libraries I use on my daily work (programming) all use meters, colors, and flavors.

    13. Re:Quality by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      In Poland 'metre' is called 'metr'

      That's just being lazy.

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    14. Re:Quality by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      If you want to try to correct someone, at least make sure you're right. It's spelled metres everywhere I've been (except the USA).

    15. Re:Quality by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      Meter I can kinda accept, but liter just looks weird every time I look at it. It can't be a real word...

  3. This, finally, will bring sanity to the system by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The US will not be so lenient in granting patents for everything stupid little thing when it benefits non-US companies as much or more than our own.

    I suppose bias against Chinese-originated patents could stifle this... but I suppose they will just create shell companies to work around that.

    1. Re:This, finally, will bring sanity to the system by OliWarner · · Score: 2

      Isn't it more likely that patriotic USPTO staff will just rush through any old rubbish (worse than now) to make sure every vague hint of an idea is owned by the US?

    2. Re:This, finally, will bring sanity to the system by Kenja · · Score: 2

      No, the US will just patent ALL the stupid stuff first! Do you want us to have a PATENT GAP! Well DO YOU!

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    3. Re:This, finally, will bring sanity to the system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The USPTO stance is that if you want to get a shoddy patent they'll let you, but it's your ass in court if it's easily invalidated. The problem is that the courts are reluctant to invalidate the bogus patents because they don't know the technology well enough.

    4. Re:This, finally, will bring sanity to the system by Idbar · · Score: 1

      At least, if not, it's going to be a interesting DoS attack to the USPTO. Filing at a large rate will either require more people to actually go through them carefully or simply a reform of the process. Which may come with a reform to the system.

    5. Re:This, finally, will bring sanity to the system by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Yes, I do.

  4. What's a "knowledge economy"? by cmv1087 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it where companies hoard patents on irrelevant things and use them to sue the pants off competitors?

    1. Re:What's a "knowledge economy"? by Nerdfest · · Score: 2

      Yes. Also known as the economy where you can only actually make money if you're a lawyer, right up until the economy crashes. I give it seven years.

    2. Re:What's a "knowledge economy"? by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      If it were irrelevant, nobody else would want to use it.

    3. Re:What's a "knowledge economy"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's where you make knowledge a scare resource so that you can apply the term "economy" to it.

    4. Re:What's a "knowledge economy"? by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Is it where companies hoard patents on irrelevant things and use them to sue the pants off competitors?

      It reckon depends on the type of knowledge: patent lawyers will surely have it, they'll be surely benefiting from this economy.

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    5. Re:What's a "knowledge economy"? by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Unless you can patent such an economy, in which case I give it 20 years.

    6. Re:What's a "knowledge economy"? by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      As a math teacher, I can assure you that my students find mathematical knowledge to be a scare resource. :-)

    7. Re:What's a "knowledge economy"? by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Is it where companies hoard patents on irrelevant things and use them to sue the pants off competitors?

      Let them wear skirts!

    8. Re:What's a "knowledge economy"? by anubi · · Score: 1

      Well, now that there has been so much concern about recognizing information as a "property", isn't it time the tax law recognizes it as property as well?

      Paying property tax gives me the right to tell the homeless guy he can't erect his tent on my land. Our government is giving out the right to tell others what they can and cannot do. Do they pay anything for the right?

      This whole thing just seems to be a "barrier to entry" to keep competition at bay. Instead of working, our people either turn to the welfare rolls or accept employment at whatever terms from those who have agreements with Government to allow production.

      This will go on as long as the rest of the world honors a United States Dollar. We don't have to earn 'em. We just print them.

      But really, to me, a lot of this stuff seems about as asinine as McDonalds suing Burger King because the process of putting a hamburger patty in a bun is a intellectual property right.

      We've laid minefields of lawsuits. And we are blowing up the draft animals who pull the plow.

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    9. Re:What's a "knowledge economy"? by cmv1087 · · Score: 1

      Let them wear skirts!

      It's a kilt, damnit!

    10. Re:What's a "knowledge economy"? by kikito · · Score: 1

      Interesting idea. Patenting troll patenting.

  5. of course numbers are up by StealthHunter · · Score: 1

    companies are winning lawsuits on "clicking a phone number in an email in order to dial the number" and "switching to an app while on the phone." companies would be mad not to try to patent every tiny user interface action, technical revision, bugfix, etc. regardless of prior art or novelty. prediction, 2012 will be even bigger!!!

    1. Re:of course numbers are up by click2005 · · Score: 1

      Its payout lottery. Buy a patent and you might win big. Why not buy tens of thousands of them like some companies do.

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    2. Re:of course numbers are up by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Its payout lottery. Buy a patent and you might win big. Why not buy tens of thousands of them like some companies do.

      In other news - it doesn't help you still need to pay MS the extortion money.

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    3. Re:of course numbers are up by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      don't forget rectangular screen with rounded corners.

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  6. Haha, oops :) by youn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    hopefully the us gets an incentive to fix the patent system. China is as entitled to patents as any other country... but the fact that the usa does not want to be deadlocked by china may give an incentive to fix the patent system :)

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    1. Re:Haha, oops :) by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      These patents are being filed in the Chinese patent system.

      Enforcement in China? Priceless.

    2. Re:Haha, oops :) by nzac · · Score: 1

      These patents are being filed in the Chinese patent system.

      Enforcement in China? Priceless.

      If they let all patents though and enforce it, along with forcing Chinese manufacturers to provide cheep products to China then they can can lock the US and others out of ever equalizing the tech trade imbalance.
      And since the government can control the courts they can influence the patents that stay valid.
      Of course that's just the begging and it would annoy a lot of people.

    3. Re:Haha, oops :) by Surt · · Score: 1

      So you're thinking the US will withdraw from the WIPO?

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    4. Re:Haha, oops :) by BenJCarter · · Score: 1

      Enforcement would be better than what we have now, but what happens when Chinese patents duplicate US patents? If this is an issue, it may do more to push American business to move manufacturing back to America than the current patent anarchy will.

      Could there be a Dirty Jobs iPhone manufacturing episode in our future?

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    5. Re:Haha, oops :) by youn · · Score: 1

      No, they would have too much to lose. What exactly would happen, depends on many factors... but ideally they would lobby for different rules, make patents for obviousness a lot more difficult to obtain worldwide... probably through some secret treaty like acta

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    6. Re:Haha, oops :) by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      I'm curious how sending us stuff in exchange for only paper and never other stuff is harmful to us and helpful to them economically. Strategically, perhaps, but that's only if we ever go to war on opposing sides.

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    7. Re:Haha, oops :) by nzac · · Score: 2

      That paper is still good for buying stuff that makes there economy stronger. If you have paper to burn and totalitarian authority then you can fix anything economy related. They can just stop their citizens from buying expensive stuff from overseas.

      You assume that the US would work if everyone though it was only paper. No one would trade oil, food and other stuff for paper. Just like no one would want just paper for their latest technology.

      Also its "paper" that stops the Chinese factories from seizing the fab plants and selling everything without R&D costs.

      No one has the balls (or ever should) to start a war between nuclear powers. Unless you can stop all the missiles (Russia thinks attempting to do this is a hostile act) you cannot win or benefit from open war.

    8. Re:Haha, oops :) by Galestar · · Score: 1

      That's what you get when you have free trade and one country decides not to play by the rules. American corporations love free trade because it allows them to commoditize the populations of various countries. Its actually really bad for American citizens, but still so many people believe in it because they are told to believe in it.

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  7. China now top patent DEfiler by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 3, Funny

    Fixed that for you

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    1. Re:China now top patent DEfiler by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      China now top patent DEfiler

      I think the country with the highest number of patent trolls deserves that particular title don't you?

      (take a guess which country that is)

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  8. Re:US has patents mostly because of... by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because those companies with a butt load a patents - ibm, microsoft, apple - are not american companies?

  9. quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "One thing is volume, quality is quite another..."

    Right. 'Cause, ya know, the U.S.A. cranks-out quality patents all day.

  10. % before the numbers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    its 54%, not %54

    get a brain morans

    1. Re:% before the numbers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      http://www.google.se/search?q=get+a+brain+morans

    2. Re:% before the numbers? by similar_name · · Score: 1

      A method for denoting a fraction of the whole by placing a percent sign after a number between 1 and 100 has been granted a patent. The submitter is obviously using an alternate method to prevent a lawsuit.

    3. Re:% before the numbers? by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      Goddamnit. Too many memes.

      Thank you, you helpful swedish anon.

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  11. U.S. grants a higher percentage? by HtR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If anything, I would think that granting a higher percentage of patents is a sign of lower quality.

    But then again, I also don't see more patents as a rise in the "knowledge economy" or globalization lead by innovation.

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    1. Re:U.S. grants a higher percentage? by scamper_22 · · Score: 1

      But you're not a lawyer or politician :P

  12. But by markdavis · · Score: 1

    >"China has passed the US as the number one filer of patents this year"

    Yes, but are they REAL patents or stupid, unfair, poor-quality software "concept" patents that have totally clogged the US system?

    1. Re:But by hackingbear · · Score: 1

      I believe Chian does not allow software patents.

  13. Re:US has patents mostly because of... by dbIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not for years. They are very much multinationals - for instance IBM has a lot of staff in China working remotely on systems that are not in China.

  14. Uh, oh... by Thangodin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Neil DeGrasse Tyson, in his talk at last years TAM, showed us a world map that illustrated the number of new scientific research papers filed by country. In 2000, the U.S. was still a leader. Then he showed the 2008 map, and the U.S. looked like a deflated balloon. My comment at the time was that primary research shows you applied research ten years down the road, and industrial innovation 20 years down the road. Guess I was right.

    Tyson's point was that the Bush administration's defunding of pure science was reflected in the map. Much as libertarians don't like to hear this, private research goes into low hanging fruit. Primary research is too risky, particularly since, if done right, it enters the public domain. Only a handful of companies do this (IBM and Google, take a bow--Apple and Microsoft, sit down.) Medical advances are particularly susceptible to this. The computer revolution came from NASA and the Apollo project, the internet came from DARPA funding of AT&T for the creation of resilient network (those same Bell labs are now beggars at the table of Alcatel, a French company.)

    Every other country that is a major player is spending a lot on primary research, and this funding is coming from the government. It's infrastructure, it lays the road for the business of the future, and its the one area where the government excels. China is spending a fortune on this, and we've exported all of our know how to them already, When IBM farms out manufacturing to another country, they send their engineers there to teach the manufacturers exactly what to do, and many other companies do exactly the same thing. They know almost everything we know, but we don't know everything they know--not anymore.

    The Greatest Generation, the people who grew up in the depression and fought the Axis, understood responsibility. They did a lot of things wrong, but they knew how to work together towards a better future, and our standard of living is the result of that. Can you imagine rubber and silk drives today? Americans couldn't even be bothered to pay higher taxes for Iraq and Afghanistan, even while they made noises about supporting the troops. It's time to grow up and carry not only our weight, but more than our weight, and pass a torch that burns brighter for our having held it. So the next time you hear the latest Fox demagogue complaining about taxes, and demanding lower taxes, imagine how his belly aching would have sounded in the 40's.

    1. Re:Uh, oh... by X-Power · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Maybe the reason was that the war with the axis had nothing to do with stealing resources from third world countries?

      I have a feeling if a genuine evil shows up, with a genuine threat to the american life, then the current generation will become the greatest generation + 1.

    2. Re:Uh, oh... by SpiralSpirit · · Score: 1

      genuine evil is hard to recognize, and the state of the media and propaganda today is totally different so that there will always be a counterpoint. In WW1 & 2 many people got their news from the radio and going to theaters. Nowadays most people have internet and can go to al-jazeera or whatever, assuming SOPA doesn't pass. Your genuine evil won't materialize till the economy is far past saving.

    3. Re:Uh, oh... by JonySuede · · Score: 2

      Sorry to sounds like a monopolist apologist but Microsoft does it for pure CS. THE paper on monad from ms research is purely theoretical and yet F# and linq are influenced by it. The series of papers on UI from the team that made the courier experiment are top notch but it will take almost decade for them to percolate into production.

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    4. Re:Uh, oh... by JonySuede · · Score: 1

      Oh and more importantly I totally agree with the rest of your post !

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    5. Re:Uh, oh... by BenJCarter · · Score: 1

      When part of the funding goes to "science" like the crony BS churned out by the IPCC, I don't see spending cuts as all bad.

      Politically driven science is not science, it's politics.

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    6. Re:Uh, oh... by zerojoker · · Score: 1

      Credit where credit is due: Microsoft has a huge research department, and is funding very basic and theoretical research in Computer Science. Quite In contrast, for example to Apple, which does not.

    7. Re:Uh, oh... by FhnuZoag · · Score: 1

      ARGH PLEASE. The Laffer curve is absolute garbage. GARBAGE. I don't care if I get downmodded for this, but it needs to be said. It's based on a fundamental delusion - that because you know that the two ends of the graph is at 0, the curve in between those two points must be some smooth determinable surface with a single obvious maximum. Reality follows the neo laffer curve. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Neo-Laffer_curve.svg

    8. Re:Uh, oh... by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      How come everyone who brings up the Laffer curve seems to bring in the assumption that we're on the right side of the curve. Isn't it possible that we're actually on the left side so to increase revenue we'd need to increase tax rates?

      Take a look at the tax rates over the last 70 years, and the governments revenue over the same period. In general taxes have been reduces and revenue has been reduced (spending hasn't but that's a topic for another day.) That seems to me to be a fairly good argument that taxes should be a little higher.

    9. Re:Uh, oh... by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      /. never deleted your post. It's right here:http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2585724&cid=38455774
      It is my understanding that /. never deletes posts unless they are required to by law (DMCA notices etc.)

      Free speech doesn't mean you get to say what you think and not have anyone argue with you. Free speech means that you say what you think, then I say what I think, and everyone is free to make up their own minds on the basis of the facts presented.

  15. Re:US has patents mostly because of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is no such thing as an American company. Corporations are not physical entities, they have no national loyalty. They are not supporting any national economy. They are parasites that are only serving themselves. Any benefit to the host country is purely accidental.

  16. Re:US has patents mostly because of... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    I imagine they would still file US patents for research they develop in China. I bet a US patent would hold more weight in a US court than a Chinese patent

  17. prefix or postfix? by robvangelder · · Score: 3, Informative

    The % sign does not appear before the number. Please do not make me angry.

    1. Re:prefix or postfix? by MoronGames · · Score: 1

      I came in here to post the same thing. How many people actually write that way?

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  18. Re:US has patents mostly because of... by dbIII · · Score: 1

    TFA is about US Patents applied for from China!!!!

  19. Re:US has patents mostly because of... by LaRainette · · Score: 1

    True. But the reason why these people emmigrated to the US to do R&D in american companies is because the pay is better and this condition hasn't changed.
    Or rather hasn't changed enough yet. I don't think there is any Chinese company who can rival IBM's R&D, or Intel's.

  20. Re:US has patents mostly because of... by LaRainette · · Score: 1

    Can you actually read ?
    He said foreign "researchers". Yes these are american companies. And how many american researchers do they have ?

  21. They've patented... by forkfail · · Score: 1

    ... stealing from IBM, stealing from Amazon, stealing from Google, stealing from Yahoo, stealing from Microsoft, stealing from... well, pretty much everybody.

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  22. Correct by sonamchauhan · · Score: 2

    And higher taxes may increase revenue...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve

    Economist Paul Pecorino presented a model in 1995 that predicted the peak of the Laffer curve occurred at tax rates around 65%.[12] A 1996 study by Y. Hsing of the United States economy between 1959 and 1991 placed the revenue-maximizing tax rate (the point at which another marginal tax rate increase would decrease tax revenue) between 32.67% and 35.21%.[13] A 1981 paper published in the Journal of Political Economy presented a model integrating empirical data that indicated that the point of maximum tax revenue in Sweden in the 1970s would have been 70%.[14] A recent paper by Trabandt and Uhlig of the NBER presented a model that predicted that the US and most European economies are on the left of the Laffer curve (in other words, that raising taxes would raise further revenue).[15] The New Palgrave Dictionary of Economics reports that for academic studies, the mid-range for the revenue maximizing rate is around 70%.[16]

    However, a study by Teather and Young of the conservative Adam Smith Institute using evidence from the Republic of Ireland has suggested that the optimal rate for capital gains tax, as opposed to income tax, may be around 20%, but this is at least partly due to savvy taxpayers holding onto assets in anticipation of tax rates being lowered in the future.[17] A 2007 study by the conservative think tank, the American Enterprise Institute, found that the revenue maximizing rate for corporate taxes in OECD countries was about 26%, down from about 34% in the 1980s.[18]

  23. Re:US has patents mostly because of... by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

    Wrong. Its about the number of patents filed in the China Patent Office vs United States Patent Office

  24. Re:US has patents mostly because of... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    Patents valid under the laws of one country may not be valid in another. Trying using wishy washy american software patents in europe

  25. Yeah that was my first thought too by Weaselmancer · · Score: 2

    Except I'm not worried about bias, I'm thinking that if the Chinese get enough patents to lock the United States out of their own patent system that will be the state of affairs that finally sinks the whole software patent thing. If you have to send two bucks to China every time you write a Hello World program, maybe that will finally display just how broken the system is.

    Once large corporate interests figure out that patents cost them more than they help them, that's when reform will suddenly become important. So GO CHINA and torpedo the whole thing! Best of luck to you guys.

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  26. Will we finally.... by apcullen · · Score: 1

    Now that china has learned how to file obvious patents and make them sound kinda novel, will we have meaningful patent reform?

  27. "intellectual property" sounds weird... by steamengine · · Score: 1

    What your mind creates should not be anyone's property, not even your own. If you want complete control over your ideas and creations, keep them to yourself. Once knowledge is out, it's out, you do not own it, and neither do I.

    1. Re:"intellectual property" sounds weird... by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      What your mind creates should not be anyone's property, not even your own. If you want complete control over your ideas and creations, keep them to yourself. Once knowledge is out, it's out, you do not own it, and neither do I.

      Bollocks, if I write a poem, then it is my creation. Until we live in a communist society based on "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" I need to be able to earn money from that creation in exactly the same way a lawyer does.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    2. Re:"intellectual property" sounds weird... by steamengine · · Score: 1

      Of course your poem is your creation, but you cannot own words.

      In the current system I can have an idea, "register" it, and then either preclude implementations, or sell a lousy implementation myself and keep other people from improving on it.

      I have no idea where your communist catchphrase enters the picture...

  28. You are clueless by Weezul · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, quality counts in academic papers, but .. crappiness counts in patents.

    Yes, crappiness mildly obstructs obtaining the patent, fine file more patents. Yet, crappiness is an incredible asset once you obtaing the patent, but the more overboard, the more people you can sue.

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    The Christian religion has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world. -- Bertrand Russell
  29. Chinese are thieves by rconaway · · Score: 1

    Most of their patents probably originated here anyway. They were most likely stolen off U.S. computers from the thousands of companies that they hacked into. I wouldn't issue a Chinese patent in the U.S. until I did a background check on what company they stole it from. I'm also wondering how much longer we are going to put up with this crap.

  30. Foreign Patents in China by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

    How many of these are patents that were filed in other countries than China that are now being filed in China by the Chinese? i.e. not new design / research / etc but grabbing the rights to such 'inside' China.

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    blindly antisocialist = antisocial
  31. Call me crazy but... by dadioflex · · Score: 1

    Maybe patents should be made harder to get. Obvious, right? With millions of patents being added every year and hundreds of millions already in effect, the system has become so convoluted that the little man inventor, the only person supposedly benefiting from a relatively cheap patenting process, doesn't stand a chance of enforcing his patent or even being sure that it's valid. Charge a million dollars for patents and use the money to buy health insurance for families, or cat food for sickly hedgehogs or something equally worthy.