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Windows Phone Homebrew Hits a Snag

symbolset writes "TheNextWeb is reporting that the first official jailbreak for Windows Phone 7, ChevronWP7, has 'sold out' of tokens to enable homebrew application support. Only 10,000 tokens to jailbreak Windows Phones were ever granted. According to an announcement through ChevronWP7's Twitter feed, they're discussing whether they will ask Microsoft to make more available. With Lumia falling flat in Europe Microsoft needs all the enthusiastic modding fans they can get."

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  1. Re:Nokia Lumia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Lumia was not even available to buy in sweden until this january.

  2. Re:So.... by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Windows Phone 7 is actually the only current phone with no exploits.

    And as the Microsoft astroturfers keep telling us, that's only because the market share is so low that no-one cares enough to try to exploit it.

  3. Re:ChevronWP7 is not a jailbreak by lightknight · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Reminds me of my senior year in high school -> the Administration had somehow convinced the students that while pranks were acceptable, they had to be approved before being implemented. Suffice to say, the quality of pranks has since dropped.

    Placing a bunch of chairs out on the quad does not compare with dismantling and reassembling a teacher's car on one of the higher levels of the library.

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  4. Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Erm, try again:

    European customers yawning at Microsoft/Nokia Windows phone. ... lukewarm response in Europe despite rock-bottom dumping prices financed by Microsoft who badly wants Android to fail.

    1. Re:Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat by SharkLaser · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Microsoft doesn't want Android to fail. They are profiting half a billion every year from it, without doing anything.

    2. Re:Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Then you obviously don't remember your history because MSFT just came out from under antitrust and as long as there is competition MSFT can do whatever they want, just like their competitors. Besides as another pointed out MSFT gets paid for a large chunk of those Android phones, they don't get squat for the iPhone. That said i think a big reason why MSFT has embraced HTML V5 is thanks to MPEG-LA having complete and total control over H.26x they and Apple could split that market and the rest will "have to pay their $699 license fee" to borrow from an old meme.

      Personally, and you'd think the majority here would agree if ACs weren't infected this place like a cancer, I hope the WinPhone carves out a nice just as i hope RIM doesn't die and WebOS finds a home. Competition is GOOD folks, its what gives us low prices and new innovations because if you sit on your ass your market share dries up and blows away, just ask the IE team. The more competitors we have in the mobile field the better as far as I'm concerned because ultimately its good for the consumer to have plenty of choices. I mean can you imagine if it ends up just Android and iOS? apple will use the courts to kill all the higher priced units so you end up with the iPhone VS CCC (Cheapo Chinese Crapola) which will give them a monopoly on the high end. Say what you want about MSFT but their lawyers are just as nasty as any of the Nazgul they have working in Apple legal and Apple would be fools to try to lock WinPhone out of the market.

      So I hope we end up with a healthy market even if my guts tell me it'll end up a three way race. But of course I'm not an AC going "Everyone go to hell except cave 76!" and I don't treat OSes like ball clubs, hell I don't treat ball clubs like ball clubs. If /. wants to reverse their declining numbers how about instead of giving me the option to remove ads they give me the option to remove AC posts from my view? I bet the conversations would be MUCH more civil. Hell we might even get like we used to where you'd have long back and forth posts talking about subjects intelligently based on merits and demerits instead of all this AC horseshit ruining the flow.

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    3. Re:Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat by Kalriath · · Score: 4, Informative

      Microsoft does collect money on iPhones - they contain no small amount of Microsoft tech as well (Exchange ActiveSync licensing, etc).

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  5. ChevronWP7 by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ChevronWP7 wasn't a jailbreak, it didn't give you control over the phone. All it really did was give you the rights of a developer account, without paying for it.

    Those of us who were waiting for a true jailbreak, with native-code execution and control of the system, were sorely disappointed that ChevronWP7 got so much publicity, because after that, people stopped working on trying to really jailbreak the phone. It was sad.

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    1. Re:ChevronWP7 by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you've got a Samsung phone, head on over to WindowBreak. It'll give you developer access and native execution abilities, even starting from a locked-down 7.5 (Mango).

    2. Re:ChevronWP7 by cbhacking · · Score: 4, Informative

      What do you mean, locked out of the system? Use WindowBreak, then go install WP7 Root Tools (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1265321) using the free dev tools for app deployment. You'll have access to almost anything, limited only by what the dev of WP7 Root Tools has implemented so far. There are a handful of other apps out there that will also work, such as from http://touchxperience.com/ and elsewhere on the XDA-Devs WP7 hacking forum (http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=606).

      WindowBreak is an easy way to "interop-unlock" a Windows phone. Interop-unlock means you can can install and run apps that call into high-privilege drivers, breaking out of their sandboxes. Immediately, that opens up a lot of potential, but it also means you can run code as TCB (the WP7 equivalent of "root" or "Administrator"). Apps like WP7 Root Tools take advantage of this to enable a wide variety of functionality, though the current version only enables doing so on Samsung phones (the high-privilege drivers being different from each OEM).

      Incidentally, there are other ways to interop-unlock other phones. LG phones actually ship with a built-in registry editor that can be used to dev-unlock (install app packages) and interop-unlock (install high-privilege homebrew packages) the phones - there's absolutely no need for ChevronWP7 or the official AppHub account (which does the same thing, plus allowing you to submit apps to the Marketplace). HTC phones (the first-generation ones) can be interop-unlocked if they are already dev-unlocked. Their bootloaders can also be "unlocked" to allow custom updates (modify the current ROM) or full custom ROMs, with most of the latter having excellent support for homebrew (the kinds of changes that WP7 Root Tools can make being applied by default, obviously already being interop-unlocked, and having the ability to install app packages directly from the phone without needing a PC).

      Nokia, Dell, and Toshiba/Fujitsu phones do not have known interop-unlocks yet, nor do second-generation HTC phones. People are working on this, though.

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  6. How much does MS pay you? by Cyberax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, basically, Lumia topped sales on one website for a few days. And another website had put into 'bestseller list' without releasing any numbers.

    Yeah, it really performs well. Maybe next month a "Joe's Web Store" site would put it into "Top Wishlisted" products.

    1. Re:How much does MS pay you? by Eirenarch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think that anyone expects Windows Phone to sell anywhere near Android or iPhone. They should not expect to sell even half of the iPhone numbers in the next 5 years. MS should go into Windows Phone with a strategy similar to Xbox which is "lose billions and after ~10 years we will be profitable and on the top"

  7. Re:Nokia Lumia by leathered · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well I'd trust the mainstream tech media to give some reliable numbers on Lumia sales rather than an MS astroturfing site.

    Let's see: El Reg, Grauniad, Gizmodo, and many others..

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  8. Re:Nokia Lumia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hello that same guy, who "mistook" pointing out one MS shill for "They censor anyone pro-MS!".

    Incidentally, top comment of that thread was same NOKIA LUMIA IS THE WINNER without any grounding in reality.

    Incidentally 2, he already posted it as unaccepted submission

    Incidentally 3, judging by your behaviours, I'll classify you as "yet another part of CmdrInterstsightfulFellowIn140Bytes sockpuppet account".

  9. Re:So.... by anonymov · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, desktop Linux is secure enough for only semi-loud malware story about it to be "someone uploaded trojan shell script masked as a Gnome addon to a third-party Gnome addons site, some people actually downloaded it and some even ran it". Can't remember did it try to get user to sudo it or just did what it could with user's permissions.

    Server Linux, on the other hand, is very attractive target as it hosts a big part of the web and targeted software is not Linux per se, but usually buggy CMS's and unpatched Apache installations.

    Windows, on the other hand, has a few nice MS-introduced OS level vulnerabilities discovered this year - not to forget about the beautiful times brought by LoveSan and alikes.

  10. Re:Nokia Lumia by WiiVault · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Saw the username, looked at your endless troll submissions, ignore. If you aren't getting paid to do this it's even more lame.

  11. Re:The N9 is/was beauiful by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But your approach would bankrupt the company. Prior to Elop taking over, it was pretty damn clear Symbian, MeeGo/Maemo/Harmatten was doomed.

    I think you're right that Microsoft played some dirty tricks with Elop(the conflicts of interest are glaring), but I think you're wrong that WinPhone 7 is junk.

    The problem with Nokia is that they dont' have any clear vision. The N9 is clearly an example. If I was Elop anything that wasn't Windows Phone or feature phone would've had the axe immediately. Hell, I would axe shitty feature phones. I know the impact on emerging regions would be horrific, but, take the current designs, open them up to local firms and have them build it. It's clear that feature phones with slim margins isn't going to keep the company afloat.

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  12. Re:Nokia Lumia by EEPROMS · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I live in Australia and I have yet to see anyone with a WP7 powered device in hand. I catch the train to work every day and the train is full of people using their phones/tablets/tablets/mp3 players to pass the time. If you go to any mobile phone reseller WP7 handsets are never up front and in many cases are not even on display in the shops front window. I can only imagine the numbers Microsoft are showing are stock figures not actual sales especially considering most wholesalers are stocking up as the AUD dollar is very good (I work for a wholesale electronics company and our warehouse is full to be brim).

  13. Re:Nokia Lumia by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Same here in the UK. I see tons of people with Android and iOS phones but no one with a WP7 phone nor do you even hear anyone mention them. If it weren't for the internet I wouldn't know they exist.

  14. Windows Phone 7 has potential. by MrCrassic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Two months ago, I traded my wonderful G2 for a HD7 to get a taste of the Windows Phone experience. I've used Windows Mobile since the 2003 version on the MPx200 (solid flip-phone; absolutely loved it) and wanted to see how far Microsoft has matured in the mobile arena.

    Windows Phone 7 has, hands down, the best mobile UI experience you can get right now. Everything is fluid, fast and easy. The stock applications and voice controls gel perfectly and make Android look like a total mess, though it's cleaned up its act with Ice Cream Sandwich. App switching is WebOS-like and will make multi-tasking awesome when it comes to life in the next version. It's integration with Windows Live and Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn is the best I have ever seen and used and totally antiquates the need for their dedicated apps. (This might not matter for many Slashdot folks, but it matters for most people.) Forget iPod and iTunes; the Zune is just as easy to use and is much prettier to use. (It helps that the Zune software runs great on Windows, unlike iTunes.) The camera has ZERO lag, though the lens on the HD7 absolutely sucked. It's experience is absolutely beautiful and I can totally see iPhone users defecting to this once the app ecosystem.

    Microsoft's strategy to use Nokia as their flagship supplier makes much more sense after you use it for a while; Nokia still has huge brand recognition and will shake up the market really nicely when they release (and market) their ace device.

    The biggest obvious problem is that Apple and Android both had first-mover's advantage and, thus, own the space at the moment. However, this is not as problematic as it seems. People are getting tired of iOS (it hasn't changed very much since 1.0, despite great hardware advances) and Windows Phone offers a very cool and equally smooth alternative that a lot of people will feel comfortable moving to, especially with its strong Facebook integration. It's going to be very difficult for Apple to match this and Android's UI improvements and they can't depend on making killer hardware leaps anymore since both fronts have caught up there. (Kind of like how Intel can't really market GHz anymore since every processor is "fast enough.")

    Apple is, finally, in trouble, but that's what happens when you're on top for so long. :)

  15. Good for everyone. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The more they destroy their developer-base and show that they are unfriendly to developers, the more developers will avoid WP7. The net result being the suicide of WP7. This is great... well, except for the two people that bought a WP7 phone.

    You reap what you sow.

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  16. Re:Nokia Lumia by jrumney · · Score: 3, Informative

    Out of interest, why not N9? It seems like a natural evolution of N900.

    Perhaps because it is a dead end. Advertised as such since over six months before it launched, which makes the average consumer scratch their head and wonder wtf is going on in Nokia's marketing department.