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Windows Phone Homebrew Hits a Snag
symbolset writes "TheNextWeb is reporting that the first official jailbreak for Windows Phone 7, ChevronWP7, has 'sold out' of tokens to enable homebrew application support. Only 10,000 tokens to jailbreak Windows Phones were ever granted. According to an announcement through ChevronWP7's Twitter feed, they're discussing whether they will ask Microsoft to make more available. With Lumia falling flat in Europe Microsoft needs all the enthusiastic modding fans they can get."
Lumia was not even available to buy in sweden until this january.
Well, both links you provide talk about online shops, one being expansys. You should well know that these shops don't represent any country by far.
Windows Phone 7 is actually the only current phone with no exploits.
And as the Microsoft astroturfers keep telling us, that's only because the market share is so low that no-one cares enough to try to exploit it.
Reminds me of my senior year in high school -> the Administration had somehow convinced the students that while pranks were acceptable, they had to be approved before being implemented. Suffice to say, the quality of pranks has since dropped.
Placing a bunch of chairs out on the quad does not compare with dismantling and reassembling a teacher's car on one of the higher levels of the library.
I am John Hurt.
Because they haven't sold enough WP7 to anyone to waste their time trying.
make imaginary.friends COUNT=100 VISIBLE=false
Erm, try again:
European customers yawning at Microsoft/Nokia Windows phone. ... lukewarm response in Europe despite rock-bottom dumping prices financed by Microsoft who badly wants Android to fail.
Windows Phone 7 is actually the only current phone with no known exploits. Both Android and iPhone have exploits (even tho users usually label them as rooting their phones, but essentially it's the same).
TFTFY
If new tokens are not issued, I'm sure the community will start looking for, and will find, such exploits.
ChevronWP7 wasn't a jailbreak, it didn't give you control over the phone. All it really did was give you the rights of a developer account, without paying for it.
Those of us who were waiting for a true jailbreak, with native-code execution and control of the system, were sorely disappointed that ChevronWP7 got so much publicity, because after that, people stopped working on trying to really jailbreak the phone. It was sad.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
So, basically, Lumia topped sales on one website for a few days. And another website had put into 'bestseller list' without releasing any numbers.
Yeah, it really performs well. Maybe next month a "Joe's Web Store" site would put it into "Top Wishlisted" products.
Well I'd trust the mainstream tech media to give some reliable numbers on Lumia sales rather than an MS astroturfing site.
Let's see: El Reg, Grauniad, Gizmodo, and many others..
For all intensive porpoises your a bunch of rediculous loosers
Hello that same guy, who "mistook" pointing out one MS shill for "They censor anyone pro-MS!".
Incidentally, top comment of that thread was same NOKIA LUMIA IS THE WINNER without any grounding in reality.
Incidentally 2, he already posted it as unaccepted submission
Incidentally 3, judging by your behaviours, I'll classify you as "yet another part of CmdrInterstsightfulFellowIn140Bytes sockpuppet account".
Or, because there was a "legit" way to root the phone. Now that there's not, watch an exploit appear.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Whoosh....
how do you mean it was the top seller in Sweden? It was never launched in Sweden! I have been waiting to buy since it was released !
That equates to 100 % sales.
I bought a Nokia N9 on the grey market to add to my collection of Maemo phones. I have an N770, N800, N900, and now an N9. What really surprised me is that the N9 is beautiful, the OS is great, and the screens are beautiful. People would have loved the N9 if they were able to buy it. Elop certainly made sure it was not only dead, but he had Nokia use up the N9 parts (except the processor) building that Lumina 800 thing.
If I had my way at Nokia. They would still do what they do best making beautiful hardware, and allow people to choose from Symbian, Maemo, and Android. No one really wants WP7, and it just isn't very good.
My guess is that Microsoft got to Nokia's board and installed Elop to have Nokia sign away rights to do anything other than pay Microsoft as part one. Part two is to destroy Nokia so that Microsoft can buy their stock for penny's and get control of Nokia's massive patent portfolio. Once that's done, Microsoft will become the world's largest patent troll and simple make Google and Apple pay to sell cell phones. After all, this would be the normal Microsoft modus operandi of extortion rather than development. Microsoft loves being sneaky. I am sure the bosses at Microsoft know that WP7 is junk, and could never compete on it's merits. To me, WP7 is just a sham to cover Microsoft's true objectives of fraud and extortion without being sued outright.
So, there.
* Carthago Delenda Est *
There was never a "legit" way to root the phone. There was a way to pay money to do what (most) Android devices let you do out of the gate.
Maybe it has something to do with the simple fact that Linux is often used in big business to run servers with mission-critical services while WP7 phone is at best about as important as overpriced paperweight.
Hm, that's about 160 per day. Assume most were in the leading days, but that's not important. This is a KEY TO GET ALL WINDOWS PHJONE APPS FOR FREE!, without fear of MS popping up a "app revoked" on your next phone sync, and all you can move is 160 a day?
I knoew Windows Phone market was fractional, but 160 a day? That is subfractional.
Yes, desktop Linux is secure enough for only semi-loud malware story about it to be "someone uploaded trojan shell script masked as a Gnome addon to a third-party Gnome addons site, some people actually downloaded it and some even ran it". Can't remember did it try to get user to sudo it or just did what it could with user's permissions.
Server Linux, on the other hand, is very attractive target as it hosts a big part of the web and targeted software is not Linux per se, but usually buggy CMS's and unpatched Apache installations.
Windows, on the other hand, has a few nice MS-introduced OS level vulnerabilities discovered this year - not to forget about the beautiful times brought by LoveSan and alikes.
Fight piracy ! use the original N9 one ... dont buy crappy copies such as that sandboxed toy for lamers
I will ignore WP7 untill someone port a decent framework like Qt or native dll ...
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By none other than SharkLaser again. I'm shocked! Foe.
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
I don't consider phishing an OS exploit. Don't recall any iOS exploits and I doubt there is a reliable exploit for Android that can be carried out minus user intervention.
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
Because Linux is open-source. It has a million eyes looking at it. :)
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Saw the username, looked at your endless troll submissions, ignore. If you aren't getting paid to do this it's even more lame.
It looks like at some point the Lumia 800 was on the top of Expansys' Swedish top20 page and Expansys' Australian top20 page.
So "it was on top of sales charts of Sweden and Australia" isn't an outright lie...
True, but associated risk / repair costs are much lower
Holy Sh*t! 10,000 pirates, that is 731 pirates (rounded up) for every available app. Dude, we need SOPA, and we need it fast to keep companies that do good work, like Microsoft, alive. Without them, who would innovate?
-Charlie
There is a difference between an unlocked bootloader and an exploit. By your definition, every PC has an "exploit" because it is possible to boot an alternative OS.
Um... iOS does have exploits... where do you think the ability to jailbreak comes from?
Heck, they even have simple web sites that will do it for you just by clicking on a link! If that's not an easy exploit, then I don't know what is!
Bill
It's my Sig and you can't have it. Mine! All Mine!
I live in Australia and I have yet to see anyone with a WP7 powered device in hand. I catch the train to work every day and the train is full of people using their phones/tablets/tablets/mp3 players to pass the time. If you go to any mobile phone reseller WP7 handsets are never up front and in many cases are not even on display in the shops front window. I can only imagine the numbers Microsoft are showing are stock figures not actual sales especially considering most wholesalers are stocking up as the AUD dollar is very good (I work for a wholesale electronics company and our warehouse is full to be brim).
You are the killer of fun, implementer of bureaucracy, neuterer of joy.
Good-bye
Same here in the UK. I see tons of people with Android and iOS phones but no one with a WP7 phone nor do you even hear anyone mention them. If it weren't for the internet I wouldn't know they exist.
The only people with WP7 phones are MS employees. Now why would they write exploits and risk losing their job?
But you don't need to "jailbreak" an Android device to install out of market apps, which is 99% of what "jailbreakers" want to do with their phone.
On Android, it's just a check box, and it's free.
Many Android phones, such as those from Samsung, are also "rootable" (the other 1% of the jailbreak) without any hacks.
Finally! Now we can designate Android fanboi as M$ Shills!
I know one person who has a windows phone, and he's very happy with it (iirc htc mozart). I'm a bit late to the smartphones, only getting one a few months ago, in an SGS i9000 and i'm really disappointed, gotta go to optus and whinge see if i can get something else out of them under warranty, phone doesn't like working all the time. Im unhappy with android, it's a real backward step going from a phone which is comparatively low on features, but works reliably, to a phone with lots of features, when they work, because it's not reliable. I am considering a win phone only because from independant reviews, it looks like ms is trying to push a good product.
Two months ago, I traded my wonderful G2 for a HD7 to get a taste of the Windows Phone experience. I've used Windows Mobile since the 2003 version on the MPx200 (solid flip-phone; absolutely loved it) and wanted to see how far Microsoft has matured in the mobile arena.
:)
Windows Phone 7 has, hands down, the best mobile UI experience you can get right now. Everything is fluid, fast and easy. The stock applications and voice controls gel perfectly and make Android look like a total mess, though it's cleaned up its act with Ice Cream Sandwich. App switching is WebOS-like and will make multi-tasking awesome when it comes to life in the next version. It's integration with Windows Live and Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn is the best I have ever seen and used and totally antiquates the need for their dedicated apps. (This might not matter for many Slashdot folks, but it matters for most people.) Forget iPod and iTunes; the Zune is just as easy to use and is much prettier to use. (It helps that the Zune software runs great on Windows, unlike iTunes.) The camera has ZERO lag, though the lens on the HD7 absolutely sucked. It's experience is absolutely beautiful and I can totally see iPhone users defecting to this once the app ecosystem.
Microsoft's strategy to use Nokia as their flagship supplier makes much more sense after you use it for a while; Nokia still has huge brand recognition and will shake up the market really nicely when they release (and market) their ace device.
The biggest obvious problem is that Apple and Android both had first-mover's advantage and, thus, own the space at the moment. However, this is not as problematic as it seems. People are getting tired of iOS (it hasn't changed very much since 1.0, despite great hardware advances) and Windows Phone offers a very cool and equally smooth alternative that a lot of people will feel comfortable moving to, especially with its strong Facebook integration. It's going to be very difficult for Apple to match this and Android's UI improvements and they can't depend on making killer hardware leaps anymore since both fronts have caught up there. (Kind of like how Intel can't really market GHz anymore since every processor is "fast enough.")
Apple is, finally, in trouble, but that's what happens when you're on top for so long.
The football team hefted the parts upstairs, if I remember correctly. Compared to what they encounter out on the field, I think any injury would be considered minor in comparison.
And taking apart a car and putting it back together is something many mechanics do on a daily basis.
I am John Hurt.
You need a special TOKEN just to develop for the damn things? And there's a shortage? Do they have a basement full of MS trolls hand-crafting each token?
If they thought the ability was intrinsically dangerous, they wouldn't offer these tokens. If they weren't control freaks, they wouldn't make people beg them for a token just to have a bit more control over the phone. It's the worst kind of artificial scarcity.
I know one person who has a windows phone, and he's very happy with it (iirc htc mozart). I'm a bit late to the smartphones, only getting one a few months ago, in an SGS i9000 and i'm really disappointed, gotta go to optus and whinge see if i can get something else out of them under warranty, phone doesn't like working all the time. Im unhappy with android, it's a real backward step going from a phone which is comparatively low on features, but works reliably, to a phone with lots of features, when they work, because it's not reliable. I am considering a win phone only because from independant reviews, it looks like ms is trying to push a good product.
Actually WP7 is perfect for someone like you, much simpler than Android but still nearly as powerful. I have a Samsung Focus and love it.
The only people with WP7 phones are MS employees. Now why would they write exploits and risk losing their job?
I have one. Not an MS employee. Sorry to have to kill that one.
The "last windows phone" you had was probably Windows Mobile, a totally different organism entirely.
Just let us install what we want on our devices from any source that we want. You don't have to allow "root" access just the same permissions and sandboxed isolated storage, manifest based security constraints as any app avaliable on the app store.
I mean whats the difference between just making it a feature of the platform vs having to go through a few extra hoops for the same outcome? Your "enterprise" customers would thank you.
Don't be another evil Apple who thinks it is ok to control what can be installed on our devices. This behavior is NOT ok. Unlike other platforms there is no valid security or reliability reason for it either.
Any non-trivial OS is only secure if you hire a system administrator to install and configure it - and the trivial ones like DOS usually are too, as soon as you have an application running too.
The more they destroy their developer-base and show that they are unfriendly to developers, the more developers will avoid WP7. The net result being the suicide of WP7. This is great... well, except for the two people that bought a WP7 phone.
You reap what you sow.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
ChevronWP, in its present incarnation, is not root. It merely allows you to sideload apps on a limited basis - basically same as what developer account gets, for 1/10 of the price.
Out of interest, why not N9? It seems like a natural evolution of N900.
Perhaps because it is a dead end. Advertised as such since over six months before it launched, which makes the average consumer scratch their head and wonder wtf is going on in Nokia's marketing department.
No more Points, Coupons now. Next you convert Coupons to Tokens. Then you make Tokens into Credits!
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway" -Andrew Tanenbaum
You know, the whole "two people who bought..." meme would be a lot funnier in an article that wasn't about how ten thousand tokens for homebrew development sold out in just a few months. Let's break down that 10,000 to get an idea of what it really means, though:
These aren't needed for people who are already developers - they have legit developer accounts, which offer the same access plus submitting to the Marketplace.
These people don't work for Microsoft - developer accounts are free to employees (I interned there and know some people who still work there).
These aren't needed for people who were early adopters - the original ChevronWP7 Unlocker worked just fine for the first few months of after release.
These aren't needed for everyday users - most of them will never have heard of homebrew or have any interest in dev-unlocking their phones.
These aren't needed for LG device owners - their phones ship with a built-in registry editor that can dev-unlock the phones.
These aren't needed for Samsung device owners (anymore) - WindowBreak does the same thing (though it only came out a few weeks ago).
What does that leave:
People who want homebrew, who bought the phone months after release, who don't have developer accounts and aren't MS employees, and who aren't using LG (or now Samsung) phones. Since availability started on 4 Nov 2011 (http://www.chevronwp7.com/post/12328024419/chevronwp7-labs-availability), ten thousand such people have used the service.
There's no place I could be, since I've found Serenity...
Nokia is now completely depended on the strategy of another company - which in turn does not depend on Nokia at all.
Although Microsoft can and does distribute WP7 to other companies, I think you are wrong that Microsoft does not need Nokia - and they know it. They very badly need a high-quality phone to make headway in the market and without Nokia they would simply be DOA with phones out from a few vendors as an afterthought.
Nokia and Microsoft pairing up as they have gives both of them a chance to get back in the game. That simply was not possible with MeeGo, it could not keep up with the modern mobile operating systems iOS and Android.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
for anyone.
no?
>>the Administration had somehow convinced the students that while pranks were acceptable, they had to be approved before being implemented. Suffice to say, the quality of pranks has since dropped.
Hmm, may or may not be a good thing. I can think of several senior pranks that were actively destructive and not funny, and others in the other subsets of {destructive,funny}.
1) Destructive and !funny: seniors rented a chainsaw and chopped the limbs off the beautiful eucalyptus trees lining the drive to the school, making them look like shaved toothpicks. School had to pay a fortune to replace them. Wasn't funny.
2) Destructive and funny: they covered a car in honey and birdseed. When the person (let's say it was the principal, even though it wasn't) went out to the parking lot, it was covered in birds eating at it. One free car wash later, and it was back to normal.
3) Nondestructive and !funny: they created an entire crime scene on campus after hours, with chalk outlines, broken beer bottles, and police tape. People didn't laugh it it (it was more a WTF moment), and the police actually came out an interrogated people, thinking some crime had actually happened. (Okay, maybe that last bit was a little funny.)
4) Nondestructive and funny: a certain computer science nerd introduced a virus on the school's computers that did nothing hostile (and didn't infect, so not a virus, whatthefuckever), but simply played the name of one of the graduating seniors, at a very low volume, once every half hour or so.
Our administration would have approved exactly zero of the above. So, sure, it would have been a net win for the campus in terms of property destruction, but the campus would have been a lot less of a fun place, which is an intangible that people value highly nonetheless.
In the case of Microsoft needing to approve rooting, and only allowing a limited number of "root licenses", I think it's a brilliant move. All the hardcore hackers will have theirs already, and if WP7 grows more, they can always issue more in small batches, which will pacify the nerds that will otherwise be working hard to root their systems, while still locking in 99% of the population into their closed ecosystem.
Microsoft understands Judo. Sony, by contrast, does not. A bit ironic.
In what way would my N900 be less free than a WM7 phone?
Nae king! Nae laird! Nae yurrupiean pressedent! We willna be fooled again!
Actually, Lumia is performing really well in Europe and Australia. In November it was on top of sales charts of Sweden and Australia
Then you supplied the wrong link - try linking to a site with a stock level of more than 2 digits. Actual figures (not plucked out of your arse) might be a little hard to come by - but if you checked you facts you'd know that. Hint: which major outlets don't have it available until next month? If you said "all of them" you'd be right!
Perhaps your confusing it with the N9 which sold a few thousand (because it's PenTile is crap) but it doesn't run WP7 - the only person I've heard of that owns one got it given to him by his employer (MS) and it's not something he boasts about (nice phone Damian - got that javascript to render yet?)
Ironically the Linux based Smartphones are less free than the Win Mobile7 environment.
What metrics are you using?
Anyway, the times of Microsoft world domination are over
Are there unicorns and elves in your country?
and they embrace open standards now.
Wicked sarcasm - or did Steve Balmer die and I not hear the used car and aluminium siding salesmen weeping and wailing?
Competition is great and drives innovation.
Now there's an irony - Microsoft and competition driving innovation. In the same sentence. (and yes I know what you mean - good things come from making bad things not suck)
Yep - can't root my Moko FreeRunner.
I tried rubbing it gently, buying it champagne and chocolate - even told it looked good in plaid.
Doesn't pay to making sweeping statements.
> Yep - can't root my Moko FreeRunner.
You also can't use it for meaningful data in the US. They (and Trolltech) stupidly decided to use a GSM chip that can't do EDGE, and only supports 1900/2100UMTS, instead of spending about $5 more to get the pin-compatible next version up that supported EDGE (and, I believe, 850/1900MHz UMTS), which means they're GPRS paperweights in the US.
> Many Android phones, such as those from Samsung, are also "rootable" (the other 1% of the jailbreak)
> without any hacks.
Rootable, but not necessarily reflashable with AOSP or Cyanogen unless you're willing to sacrifice 4G data. For some inane reason (most likely having to do with Clear, its lawyers, and/or Sprint's status as an arms-length thirdparty customer instead of 95% of their reason for existing in the first place), Sprint and Samsung have never made it particularly easy to get 4G working in any unblessed configuration -- not even the allegedly 100% open Nexus S. It's not quite *impossible*, but 4G (wimax) data always seems to be the first thing that breaks and the last thing that gets fixed every time a newer kernel than Samsung has officially released is required to run a newer version of Android.
> After it's "broken" the warranty and everything goes out the window.
They say it is, but it's a deliberate lie (which, unfortunately, is not itself illegal in the US). Escalate to a manager, mention the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, and you'll have no problems. Under the MMWA, they can only refuse warranty coverage if they can prove that the failure was DIRECTLY caused by rooting and/or reflashing.
Put another way, if reflashing your phone to stock firmware fixes the problem, they can anally-rape you with service charges for wasting their time.
If your custom ROM took two GPIO pins that were connected together (and normally tristated) & burned them out by making both "outputs" & setting one high & one low, they can legitimately deny warranty coverage for anything related to those two pins (though you could possibly argue back that directly connecting them without even a resistor in between was itself a design flaw, unless they could prove they had a legitimate engineering reason for doing it (like charlieplexing multiple LED elements from a small number of actual GPIO pins).
Under MMWA, there are very few reasons why they can legally deny warranty coverage, but they aren't obligated to troubleshoot your custom ROM for you. Like PC manufacturers who are free to reimage your hard drive as part of a repair, phone mfrs. are free to reflash it to stock firmware with a JTAG (or give you a new/repaired phone with stock firmware), and aren't obliged to preserve your firmware.
You must be a whole ton of fun at parties.
it was back to normal.
How does this qualify as destructive?
The real reason Lumia fell flat is that Nokia users can't relate to it. It may be good for iphone/android upgraders but it doesn't offer half the features Nokia/Symbian users are accustomed to. Whether its FM transmitter or USB host, HDMI out or Xenon flash, you name it and Lumia doesn't have it. Sticking an 8mpx camera with a smaller sensor than N8 didn't help matters either.
> Yep - can't root my Moko FreeRunner.
You also can't use it for meaningful data in the US. They (and Trolltech) stupidly decided to use a GSM chip that can't do EDGE, and only supports 1900/2100UMTS, instead of spending about $5 more to get the pin-compatible next version up that supported EDGE (and, I believe, 850/1900MHz UMTS), which means they're GPRS paperweights in the US.
Same in this country - except that I'm not interested in EDGE for data (GSM and EDGE are expensive data options here, 3G is cheap and built in to my netbook) I use mine as a phone ;-p. We bought a number of them and use them in a remote non-voice projects running Debian (we spent the holidays exploring the GSM stack, because we can). [aside] Who would have a phone that won't function? Oh yeah (hi Damian) the phone in discussion - designed for Data As A Service, but only to the phone - no USB transfer. Handy.
We have an order in for the GTA04 with Golden Delicious (byo case) - which are capable of the more useful 3G if it's data your after (I prefer my netbook for portable data). And again - you own the phone and pretty much everything is accessible and under your control (the GSM stack is difficult to get to, but that's outside the control of the manufacturer).
Being from the US you might not be aware that "root" has different meaning. Try telling people outside the US you root for your team and watch them back away (getting some ass is gay, and sitting on your fanny is something only women can do - and then with great difficulty).
It was completely covered in bird shit.