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London Installing Largest Free Wifi Network

aesoteric writes "London's Westminster, Kensington and Chelsea districts will be delivered the largest free wi-fi zone in Europe. The plan is to provide the service in time for the 2012 London Olympics, which start in late July, to allow visitors and residents to get more out of their stay."

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  1. Read the fine print by LoudMusic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Read the fine print when you agree to their terms of service.

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  2. All the better to watch you with, my dear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm guessing it won't be anonymous.

    1. Re:All the better to watch you with, my dear by c0lo · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm guessing it won't be anonymous.

      I can't imagine how the identification would work.
      TFA

      In Westminster alone, it could be providing internet access to half a million tourists each day, 250,000 residents and 500,000 workers.

      Half a million of tourists - would they plan to ask for a "tourist id" for granting access?

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    2. Re:All the better to watch you with, my dear by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They get your MAC, browsing habits, voice print and face - for free.

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    3. Re:All the better to watch you with, my dear by nzac · · Score: 3, Informative

      Your mac address is as easy to set as you IP on Linux and unlike IP address on wifi you can pick whatever you like (though most are obviously fake).
      Take your pick:
      http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Changing_Your_MAC_Address/Linux

      Its also pretty easy on any other *NIX

      Just windows does not come with a built in to do it.

    4. Re:All the better to watch you with, my dear by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Informative

      Depends on your hardware. Recent intel "centrino" wifi chips can not change their MACs- I found this out personally because the driver under linux lets you try to change the MAC, but if you try to use it with one of these new chips it just fails to work over the air.

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    5. Re:All the better to watch you with, my dear by muon-catalyzed · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can no longer change my MAC address or spoof one? Since when?

      A change of your MAC or IP is a criminal offence, remember, as every newborn you have an IPv6 in your birth certificate and screening profile attached to it from day one.

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    6. Re:All the better to watch you with, my dear by c0lo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Have some USB dongles by the metric tonne - if you are about to do something that I wouldn't advice you to, use one for some mins and then pass it around.

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    7. Re:All the better to watch you with, my dear by c0lo · · Score: 2

      MAC address, computer/browser fingerprinting or they can just sniff your e-mail/facebook/other login.

      Setting up a network of hostile access points would be the easiest thing in the world for a third party.

      Tor network? Organized over some hundreds of points using the same free WiFi?

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    8. Re:All the better to watch you with, my dear by DrXym · · Score: 2

      I expect any public wifi network will be locked down so the only things you can do on it are browse the web and a few other well defined actions. Last thing they would want is people leeching bandwidth to download movies, voip, or anything else of that nature. So I bet VPN is one of the first things they disable. Unless you can tunnel a VPN over http you probably won't get far. Even then I expect they put bandwidth caps on http traffic to stop or at least disrupt people trying to do that.

  3. VOIP instead of roaming by spasm · · Score: 2

    I hope they keep it up afterwards. It'd be nice to be able to use google voice / skype / other VOIP solutions on my smartphone instead of paying obscene international roaming charges or screwing around jailbreaking and getting local sim cards.

    1. Re:VOIP instead of roaming by itsme1234 · · Score: 2

      I was about to say that UK is one of the countries where 3G access (assuming no Olympics/megaoverload as you did) is really dirt cheap (at least compared to, well, everything else you can buy in London) but now I see, you are "one of those". Guess what, the providers are selling locked phones BECAUSE PEOPLE BUY THEM. There is another obvious alternative: JUST BUY A FREAKING UNLOCKED PHONE.
      UK also doesn't ask the SIMs to be tied to IDs or sold only to residents or any other nonsense; and many of them don't expire for a long time (and to extend them you just need to send one SMS which you can do from abroad). And you can recharge them from anywhere (via paypal for example) CHEAPER than "in person" (you pay less than 10 pounds to get 10 pounds of credit for example).
      Everything is perfect already, except that you let yourself locked by a provider, possibly halfway across the world. Who can also decide to disable your voip apps as well at any time by the way.

    2. Re:VOIP instead of roaming by duguk · · Score: 2, Informative

      O2 is one of the better UK providers in that respect. My iPhone was locked originally, but I went with O2 because at the time (mid-2010) they said they would unlock it properly at the end of the contract period. No jailbreaks, no risk of bricking after software updates, etc.

      Now it turns out that they will unlock it even before the end of the contract (though I'm still on the hook for the monthly fee till the end, of course). Just have to ask them.

      O2 are great for their signal, but their pricing does take the piss.

      When you've finished your contract; maybe try Giffgaff. There's no phone support (it all online), so they're a lot cheaper (£10/mo for unlimited data and text, and 250 mins) - and they still use the O2 network. The support you get from the community is astounding, and they do pay people back quite a lot for helping out.

      They've even got a wiki to help you unlock your phone. Definitely worth a look.

    3. Re:VOIP instead of roaming by Lincolnshire+Poacher · · Score: 2

      > and they still use the O2 network

      That's because... they are O2. Both companies operate from 260 Bath Road, Slough.

      GiffGaff is a clever branding of O2's service that appeals to the price-conscious market and which uses the exceptional idea of in-sourcing support to the customers themselves. Very clever and apparently very successful, without cannibalising O2's preferred higher-paying customer base.

  4. T-Minus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is going to blow up (in the funny sort of way) when someone downloads CP on this network or harasses some kid on FB. It'd be even crazier if they left it entirely unsecured and someone showed up with firesheep.

    Hillarity aside, this could actually drive home the point that an IP address != an identity.

  5. What is this obsession with false security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously, a MAC address?

    Hahahah.

    Like a Mac Address cannot be spoofed, cannot be varied, cannot be transferred through exchangeable USB WiFi sticks, or even through a hot spot that bridges to the MuWiFi.

  6. Predictions of the future! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    T minus one week: Everyone scrambles to get the network up and running.

    T minus one hour: Large news event, hosted by the BBC, to throw the ceremonial comedically large switch.

    T minus zero: Network is live. Cheers occur.

    T plus one second: Twitchy, caffeine-addled basement dweller discovers this network will not enable him to download his 58PB of pirated anime porn every month like he thought* he would be able to.

    T plus one-point-five seconds: Blog post goes up.

    T plus two seconds: Echo chamber agrees, internet declares service to be utterly without merit, useless, and a direct affront to freedom because of this.

    T plus five seconds: Someone discovers someone else somewhere might be looking at them while they use the wireless network, immediate accusations of government spying start, numerous ill-informed references to Nineteen Eighty-Four permeate discussion.

    T plus five-point-five seconds: Blog post goes up.

    T plus six seconds: Echo chamber agrees, internet declares service to be utterly without merit, useless, and a direct affront to freedom because of this.

    T plus ten seconds: Cloistered, sheltered nerd sits in complete befuddlement, absolutely baffled as to why on earth anyone would have any objections to him hosting his array of torrents on this network, sucking down every last slice of bandwidth available.

    T plus ten-point-five seconds: Blog post goes up.

    T plus eleven seconds: Echo chamber agrees, internet declares service to be utterly without merit, useless, and a direct affront to freedom because of this.

    *: By which I mean "deluded himself into believing".

    1. Re:Predictions of the future! by andrewbaldwin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Shame you posted AC - and shame I haven't any mod points because this is a pretty good post and a fair reflection on the attitudes of many.

      You've missed a few nuances:
      The Daily Mail somehow contriving to blame "the fiasco" [ie any deviation from perfect performance] on the BBC, the EU, Muslims...

      Rupert Murdoch's mates "hacking" the service (ie just exploiting human fallibility and poor security practices but glamorising it beyond belief)

      The Slashdot meme of surveillance cameras everywhere - and how they'd use the bandwidth

      The sanctimonious posing by Boris Johnson and cronies about how they're "investing for London" and the "Olympic legacy" -- followed by the quiet dismantling and removing of the service later.

      I'm sure there are other suggestions - but your post was particularly good.

    2. Re:Predictions of the future! by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2

      So, a local newspaper that sources from the Daily Mail, a conspiracy site, another right-wing extremeist rag which appears to be using the same source as the Daily Mail too? I must admit I can't comment on the veracity of the jewishnewsdaily.com link.

  7. Wifi Free? by jamesh · · Score: 2

    I read that as "Wifi Free" at first and thought the "wifi causes cancer" nutjobs had won...

    1. Re:Wifi Free? by jamesh · · Score: 2

      I read that as "Wifi Free" at first and thought the "wifi causes cancer" nutjobs had won...

      But, but ... Wifi causes cancer! Or does it not ? ;-)

      Probably at about the same rate as breathing in and out causes cancer.

  8. Best use by c0lo · · Score: 2
    Assuming Raspberry Pi see production by then, have 100 Tor instances running for less than $3000(1 Rassbery=$25, 1 USB dongle=$1.5

    Use it for whatever you like.

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  9. Boroughs by Malc · · Score: 4, Informative

    London's Westminster, Kensington and Chelsea districts

    They're "boroughs", not "districts". Jeeze.

  10. And the existing providers? by jginspace · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People who've invested their own time, money and effort into providing (and charging for) Wifi must be just thrilled that the council have given a private operator rights to erect equipment in public spaces right next to their premises that effectively kicks their product out of the market. Is the need for public Wifi that pressing that the council are being diverted from their normal duties like, you know, sweeping the streets?

    1. Re:And the existing providers? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was thinking the same thing.

      If any city in the US did this the carriers would be SCREAMING SOCIALISM!! ... and funding every politican and their brothers to ban and stop this assault on capitalism at all cost and probably then lobbying congress to add anti free WIFI in SOPA or something stupid.

      Maybe in Europe the governments there actually listen to their citizens and not corporate lobbiests and vote only on the behalf of corporations? I was just watching the Star Wars prequel tonight and the US and Canada are starting to look just like the final days of the old republic before it fell to the empire. Inept government totally rotten to the core gave way to many supporting the empire. ... anyway do not want to go offtopic with that rant but thought of it when reading this article pretty much expecting this to be outrageous and political suicide. That is pretty sad if you ask me.

  11. Wireless@SG by mjwx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In Westminster alone, it could be providing internet access to half a million tourists each day, 250,000 residents and 500,000 workers.

    Half a million of tourists - would they plan to ask for a "tourist id" for granting access?

    They should just ask Singapore how Singapore handles it.

    Wireless@SG works in most places I've tried it (Changi Airport, Orchid road). I get the code from the info booth at the airport, valid for 4 hours and wander around Singapore for a bit before my next flight. Handy for long stopovers. A beer in SG is expensive enough, doubly so in an airport (S$13 last time I was there).

    The simple way would be registration via an email address, get a code for Wireless@LON for 14 days. Beyond this, SMS codes. seeing as these are captive portals, you regester to have an access code SMS'ed to any UK phone (probably work for any EU phone).

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  12. Olympics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "in time for the London Olympics"... which takes place in the east of London, in Stratford, far from any of these boroughs.

    1. Re:Olympics by trigpoint · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "in time for the London Olympics"... which takes place in the east of London, in Stratford, far from any of these boroughs.

      Most of Londons hotels and resturants are in this area and this is where tourists will spend most of their time and money when not watching the events. Local businesses in East London will see very little tourist money.

  13. Re:say what? by xaxa · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wtf? Free wifi in a European country?! Does not compute. I was almost certain that "Free", "Insert any service here", and "" could NEVER coexist in the same sentence.... Go to London, pay eleventy pounds for parking, pay to use restroom, pay to breathe air, pay to blink eyes, pay to use sidewalk, but Wifi is now freeeee! Oh wait, only because of the Olympics.

    The parking (and congestion) charges are to discourage car use. Many Londoners, including me, don't even own a car.

    But there's plenty of free things to do in London -- more than any other city I've ever visited. Some great museums: the Natural History Museum, the Science Museum and the Victoria and Albert Museum (V&A) at South Kensington are free. So is the British Museum, in Holborn. The Museum of London (in the City) is free, as is the Imperial War Museum (Lambeth). That's just the biggest ones, there are at least 20 more not-insignificant free museums.

    There are markets, old buildings (cathedrals etc), big art galleries, parks, palaces, the river, theatre, many small gigs are free... and that's just the normal, year-round stuff. There should be free one-off events, though it's obviously worth planning if you want to see something in particular.

    Try these websites:
    http://www.visitlondon.com/tag/free-attractions
    http://www.timeout.com/london/feature/1424/free-london
    http://www.daysoutguide.co.uk/free-london
    http://londonist.com/tags/lotclist

  14. No such thing as free by DaMattster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The advertiser supported model was tried during the dot-com era and largely failed. Since there really is no such thing as free, I am guessing O2 is going to collect browsing habbits and information to resell to marketing companies in addition to advertisements. O2 might actually make more money by combining reselling user data and advertiser supported services.

  15. Re:say what? by CountBrass · · Score: 2

    St Paul's Cathedral, the largest and best known and arguably most important religious building in London is definitely not free to visitors.

    It costs £15 to get in! I was so shocked that I just turned around and walked away.

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  16. Re:say what? by xaxa · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and reply courteously.

    That's great that you, you know, live in London. As in, you can afford the outrageous cost of living there,

    Other than housing, most essential costs aren't much different to the rest of the country (food, fuel, transport, etc). Socialising is more expensive, but outside the centre it's not that much more.

    and take what must be an exquisite pleasure to lecture the rest of us on transportation.

    You'll get a better experience of London if you use the public transport, rather than try and drive everywhere. Driving in London is frustrating -- it's difficult to find parking, there's a *lot* of traffic, the streets are narrow and dense, there are many one-way restrictions. That's the way things are here.

    (Would it be lecturing to advise a European against taking Amtrak and buses round the USA, if they have a limited time for their trip?)

    I love how you recommend thieves' dens of stolen merchandise (you called them 'museums' I believe, an interesting bowdlerism if there ever was one) with a straight face.

    So don't visit the British Museum. The other museums have completely different collections. The Museum of London, for example, has artefacts from London, often from excavations, or donations.

    Surely, being a well-heeled Londoner, you must be acquainted with the idea that if something is free, then it must be worthless. Otherwise, the Great Unwashed will be all over it.

    You clearly don't know this city, and I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.