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Engineered Stomach Microbe Converts Seaweed Into Ethanol

PolygamousRanchKid writes "Seaweed may well be an ideal plant to turn into biofuel. It grows in much of the two thirds of the planet that is underwater, so it wouldn't crowd out food crops the way corn for ethanol does. Because it draws its own nutrients and water from the sea, it requires no fertilizer or irrigation. Most importantly for would-be biofuel-makers, it contains no lignin—a strong strand of complex sugars that stiffens plant stalks and poses a big obstacle to turning land-based plants such as switchgrass into biofuel. Researchers at Bio Architecture Lab, Inc., (BAL) and the University of Washington in Seattle have now taken the first step to exploit the natural advantages of seaweed. They have built a microbe capable of digesting it and converting it into ethanol or other chemicals. Synthetic biologist Yasuo Yoshikuni, a co-founder of BAL, and his colleagues took Escherichia coli, a gut bacterium most famous as a food contaminant, and made some genetic modifications that give it the ability to turn the sugars in an edible kelp called kombu into fuel."

226 comments

  1. Oh good. by FrozenFood · · Score: 1

    so thats the fuel problem solved then

    1. Re:Oh good. by Cryacin · · Score: 1

      But will someone think of the sushi!?!

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    2. Re:Oh good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Perfect. No Officer, I have not been drinking. I had sushi for lunch. You see I work at this new biofuel company . . .

    3. Re:Oh good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so thats the fuel problem solved then

      Errrrrrrrrrr well i seem to recall an article right here on slashdot not more that a couple of weeks ago saying that what was it E39 or whatever they cal ethanol in the US was bieng done away with as it was not a good fuel ..

    4. Re:Oh good. by Tsingi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      so thats the fuel problem solved then

      Errrrrrrrrrr well i seem to recall an article right here on slashdot not more that a couple of weeks ago saying that what was it E39 or whatever they cal ethanol in the US was bieng done away with as it was not a good fuel ..

      That article was about making biofuel from corn. The bottom line there is that growing the corn and fermenting it to create ethanol takes more energy than it produces.

      This is about using a genetically engineered stomach organism to convert seaweed. Truly the parallels are astounding.

    5. Re:Oh good. by NevergoldMel · · Score: 2

      Ethanol's old school, Butanol is the answer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butanol_fuel

    6. Re:Oh good. by NevergoldMel · · Score: 1

      which you can make out of old newspapers or shredded documents (we have alot of those here in the United States). http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110825105024.htm

    7. Re:Oh good. by joeboomer628 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      so thats the fuel problem solved then

      What would be the ecological effect of harvesting huge amounts of seaweed? Knee jerk solutions lead to unintended consequences. Mother nature can be a vengeful biatch.

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    8. Re:Oh good. by sjames · · Score: 1

      And that way, a fuel crisis can be solved just by issuing a FOIA request or an audit on a multinational.

    9. Re:Oh good. by flyneye · · Score: 2

      Actually in light of the likelihood that environmentalist will hold their breath till they die unless regulations prohibiting massive farming/harvesting of the seabed are enacted. Right or not, upsetting an environmental balance as big as our watered areas is probably not a good enough idea to risk.
      However ,if you made candy of this seaweed perhaps it would have the novel effect of producing the ethanol available in a shot of booze.
      Now there is a better mouse trap for the world to play with for a bit. Not bad science, just misdirected.

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    10. Re:Oh good. by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      and again it nags ... isn't it the actual burning of the fossil fuels that's the biggest problem, not the diminishing resource itself ?

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    11. Re:Oh good. by Tsingi · · Score: 1

      and again it nags ... isn't it the actual burning of the fossil fuels that's the biggest problem, not the diminishing resource itself ?

      I'm not sure what you mean in the context of a reply to what I said.

      But the resource would not be diminishing if we didn't burn it. And it's probably a good thing that it is (diminishing) at the end of the day. I doubt that it will run out in time to save us from a terrible battle with global warming, but at least it will run out.

    12. Re:Oh good. by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      they got 5% ethanol overnight from alginate.

      that's gonna be a very tasty beer, if only it weren't riddled with e-coli.

      distill it, and you have kombu whisky. i would totally drink that.

    13. Re:Oh good. by Dare+nMc · · Score: 2

      If grown it is a closed carbon cycle, the algae consumes the same amount of carbon as the car emmits. However local pollutants like carbon monoxide and sulfar are still the same.

    14. Re:Oh good. by bigdavex · · Score: 1

      The bottom line there is that growing the corn and fermenting it to create ethanol takes more energy than it produces.

      This isn't the current thinking. It's not very good, but there's a net gain.

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    15. Re:Oh good. by Dare+nMc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually it is mostly the fact that the yeast in alcohol is limited to producing 10% alcohol before the yeast starts to die. So unless this yeast can get past 10% it will likely take the same energy to get to finished product as corn ethanol.
      Fyi it takes 15700 BTU of fuel per gallon of ethanol to grow and transport the corn required. Ethanol has 114000 BTU per gallon a 8* payoff. 90% of the remaining energy used in producing ethanol is electric and still has a payoff. If you stop with hydrous ethanol (can be burned as e85, cannot be mixed with gasoline) the payoff is 2-3*. While anhydrous ethanol is more like 1.6* source: http://www.anl.gov/PCS/acsfuel/preprint%20archive/Files/21_2_NEW%20YORK_04-76_0029.pdf

    16. Re:Oh good. by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Or you could repurpose the Treasury...

    17. Re:Oh good. by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      What would be the ecological effect of harvesting huge amounts of seaweed?

      Bad, of course. The ecological effects of doing anything useful are always bad. That's why the only "green" thing to do is huddle under a tree (but don't disturb the roots!) eating windfalls and waiting for the sun to go out.

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    18. Re:Oh good. by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      What would be the ecological effect of harvesting huge amounts of seaweed?

      Perhaps better than the ecological effect of mining coal & burning it for hundreds of years, or drilling for oil (and spilling some of it, killing lots of wildlife) and burning the rest?

      (I didn't RTFA, couldn't this be grown, thus creating new seaweed in perhaps cordonned off areas of the ocean, or in open pools?)

    19. Re:Oh good. by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      closed carbon cycle ... how exactly does that measure on a global scale i can NOT believer this is an absolute zero operation one way or another and approx might just not do for the future, a very morganic attitude again ... instead of looking for alternatives, just stay with the old infrastructure, very anti-evolutionary if you ask me

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    20. Re:Oh good. by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      point was (mine) that replacing one type of pollution with the same one doesnt help, i dont believe this closed cycle is exactly what it is, call me conspiracy but why would the classic industries admit it if they get something that can just fit right into their old infrastructure

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    21. Re:Oh good. by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      Simple chemistry, the amount of carbon in the world is fixed, it is either in elemental form (a solid), or bound to other elements. The carbon in oil is buried in the ground having been absorbed by plants thousands of years ago. Other carbon is bound to oxygen and floating in the air, the worst of this environmentally is methane; carbon bound to hydrogen. Like all plants, sea-weed takes in C02 lets off the oxygen, and uses photosynthesis to bind the carbon to grow into a plant. If we just let the sea-weed die, it will then rot and release that carbon into methane and co2 released into the air. If we instead convert it to ethanol, that carbon is then only released as co2 on burning in the car instead of while the plant was rotting in the ocean (although some could still stay with some plants and could someday be captured into oil, through a not well understood process.)
      So the oil/coal we burn is releasing carbon, as co2 that would have otherwise stayed in the ground. The ethanol we burn is releasing c02 that would otherwise have been released as the much worse (ozone wise) methane, had we not intervened. (and a amount of c02 equal to that release will be consumed by seaweed that will restart the cycle.)

    22. Re:Oh good. by Tsingi · · Score: 1

      point was (mine) that replacing one type of pollution with the same one doesnt help, i dont believe this closed cycle is exactly what it is, call me conspiracy but why would the classic industries admit it if they get something that can just fit right into their old infrastructure

      So you're saying replacing one source of carbon emmisions with another isn't ideal. I agree that it isn't the best solution. But I think it's a better solution.
      Carbon free would be best. There are a lot of ways we could be doing that. Research needs better funding.

    23. Re:Oh good. by shnull · · Score: 0

      research needs better, independent cross-government funding i'll drink to that, should be as open source as ubuntu as well, to prevent the biggest possible monopoly of all : cornering the energy market worldwide in case of new revolutionary tech? sounds scary to me

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    24. Re:Oh good. by shnull · · Score: 0

      dare i as layman conclude that the carbon in the plants is released in a lot less time than would occur naturally, so the ecosystem has less time to recover than it would if the plant would just be rotting? And dare i think there's more carbon footprint to any combustion engine than only the co2 it emits when burning fuel? Thats why i like this place so much people here can explain cos they know what they talk about, thanks for the explanation

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  2. Seaweed is boring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    I hope someone finds a way to convert weed into ethanol, and weed will be grown everywhere.
    That would be like a dream come true.

    1. Re:Seaweed is boring by Cryacin · · Score: 2

      And in other news, BP is now moving to Amsterdam.

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    2. Re:Seaweed is boring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd sooner convert ethanol into weed, if it's all the same to you.

    3. Re:Seaweed is boring by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 2

      I hope someone finds a way to convert weed into ethanol, and weed will be grown everywhere. That would be like a dream come true.

      Or you could just smoke the weed and imagine it's getting you somewhere...
      Oh wow man!

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    4. Re:Seaweed is boring by Oswald · · Score: 1

      I hope someone finds a way to convert weed into ethanol, and weed will be grown everywhere except the U.S.

      Fixed that for ya.

  3. What could go wrong? by haydensdaddy · · Score: 5, Funny

    So... how long until this microbe gets into the wild and we end up with an ocean of ethanol...?

    1. Re:What could go wrong? by FrozenFood · · Score: 5, Funny

      as soon as possible, hopefully.

    2. Re:What could go wrong? by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      That has a certain Futurama ring to it.

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    3. Re:What could go wrong? by CubicleView · · Score: 1

      Into the wild isn't all that deep, but microbes aren't very bright and I don't think the movie provides any great insights into ethanol production, so I'll go with never.

    4. Re:What could go wrong? by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 5, Funny

      as soon as possible? Are you nuts? Or just stupid? Seaweed is a vital part of the ocean's ecosystem. Such a creature would be a blight upon the seaweed, dooming thousands of species to oblivion. Your opinion is NOT insightful. It is ignorant and destructive, and fundamentally evil.

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    5. Re:What could go wrong? by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      So... how long until this microbe gets into the wild and we end up with an ocean of ethanol...?

      We would be fuel independent and buying water..

    6. Re:What could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ralph Spoilsport. You're living up to your name I see.

      Let me explain. Ethanol equals(ish) alcohol, and the authors desire for an ocean of alcohol is the joke. Although obviously a real ocean of alcohol would be too much. Because no-one can drink an ocean. That's why it's funny, because it's an exaggeration.

      Anything else you need help with just let me know.

    7. Re:What could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did no one actually read the article?

      "And there's no reason to fear the newly engineered E. coli escaping into the wild and consuming the seaweed already out there, Yoshikuni argues. "E. coli loves the human gut, it doesn't like the ocean environment," he says. "I can hardly imagine it would do something. It would just be dead."

    8. Re:What could go wrong? by dhasenan · · Score: 1

      1. Convert ocean to ethanol.
      2. Smoke cigarette on boat.
      3. Profit!

    9. Re:What could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even if it was a sea dwelling organism lab strains can not usually compete with wild ones they are bread to survive best under much more friendly conditions and so get out-competed and eaten promptly. This is a problem for some projects, there was one where they had to keep on re-adding the G.M. microbes to the area to make it work (soil leaching heavy metals to "reclaim" ground).

      NB. The situation is even more extreme for "nano-machines" witch in nature would be defenseless and eaten too quickly to measure. The gray goo horror story with nano-machines which cover and eat nearly everything has already happened, bacteria got their first and once they coved everything they then adapted to try and kill each other off to get more space. Any larger organism merely temporally hods them back and the moment you die they come to re-claim you.

    10. Re:What could go wrong? by LongearedBat · · Score: 1

      That would be a lot of firewater.

    11. Re:What could go wrong? by icebike · · Score: 1

      Witch
      Their
      Hods.

      Spellchecker 3, author 0.

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    12. Re:What could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bread
      temporally

      Spellchecker +2, icebike 0

    13. Re:What could go wrong? by Whibla · · Score: 1

      Pedantically, you mean a grammar checker, as all the words you quoted are spelled (I want to write spelt, but I'm sure that has something to do with brewing) correctly.

      Either way, I'll see your witch, their, and hods, and raise you coved and temporally

      Apologies to the ac gp...

    14. Re:What could go wrong? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      There are already rather a lot of microbes that like to eat dead seaweed.

    15. Re:What could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Witch
      Their
      Hods.

      Spellchecker 4, author 0.

      You missed Coved.

      There FTFY

    16. Re:What could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i think it was a joke

  4. seawater into fuel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they can keep this GMO sequestered in a watertight tank and remember that it could possibly destroy the ocean it would help the population of the world. It's sort of silly, however, that they spent all those resources creating this GMO when hemp is a very common and old source for ethanol. But nooo, we don't want to upset the fine folks at Dow, Goodyear, or Monsanto do we. Let's forget hemp and create a new organism.

    1. Re:seawater into fuel? by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 2

      If they can keep this GMO sequestered in a watertight tank and remember that it could possibly destroy the ocean it would help the population of the world. It's sort of silly, however, that they spent all those resources creating this GMO when hemp is a very common and old source for ethanol. But nooo, we don't want to upset the fine folks at Dow, Goodyear, or Monsanto do we. Let's forget hemp and create a new organism.

      I'm sure that if we could introduce those fine folks to hemp ... or it's cousin 'weed' ... they would be much more amenable to growing it themselves for industrial purposes. Hell, if we threw in a bunch of cookies and milk they may even stop being evil for a few hours.

    2. Re:seawater into fuel? by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hemp would still compete with crops for arable land.

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    3. Re:seawater into fuel? by TheMeuge · · Score: 4, Informative

      If they can keep this GMO sequestered in a watertight tank and remember that it could possibly destroy the ocean it would help the population of the world. It's sort of silly, however, that they spent all those resources creating this GMO when hemp is a very common and old source for ethanol. But nooo, we don't want to upset the fine folks at Dow, Goodyear, or Monsanto do we. Let's forget hemp and create a new organism.

      The above illustrates the problem of informing the uninformed about scientific developments.

      What reproductive and survival advantage does E Coli get from having these modifications done? Right... none. So while it'll happily digest the seaweed in a lab, or even in a manufacturing tank, if you dump it into the ocean it will a) die from incorrect environmental osmolality and pH b) be eaten by a variety of sea creatures.

      Introducing rabbits to Australia was FAR worse than dumping TONS of this stuff into the ocean. This bacterium is so far from being able to "destroy the ocean" that it would take a colossal act of ignorance to claim it as such. Oh wait...

    4. Re:seawater into fuel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought these days it was more into competing with the housing market, given the boom in house based weed factories.

    5. Re:seawater into fuel? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      It can't destroy the ocean. E. coli probably can't even survive in the ocean and even if it could, it would have to compete with every microorganism that's already there for resources. There's a reason why they didn't just find a bacterium in the ocean that could already do this. It's chemically inefficient to produce alcohol as a waste product so few organisms do it and they only compete well in environments where organisms that use their energy more efficiently are otherwise limited.

      The real problem with this technology is that it would damage the oceans through over-harvesting of seaweed.

    6. Re:seawater into fuel? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, alcohol is toxic for many organisms. An organism that can produce alcohol as a waste product of its metabolism could hence poison the food source for competitors. Provided, of course, that it doesn't suffer from it itself.

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    7. Re:seawater into fuel? by philcowans · · Score: 1

      Plus it may well require pre-processing of the seaweed before this can get at the sugars it feeds on, so it's possible it's unable to use live weed in the wild even in the absence of competing organisms.

    8. Re:seawater into fuel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The above illustrates the problem of informing the uninformed about scientific developments.

      Informing the uninformed is a productive activity; informing the already informed is not.

    9. Re:seawater into fuel? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Ever smelled a clump of dead seaweed?

      There are LOTS of microorganisms that like to eat it.

    10. Re:seawater into fuel? by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      explain how hemp is efficiently fermented into ethanol? hemp is traditionally a fibre crop, not really good for fermenting. you'd just end up with heaps of mush left over and not much ethanol.

      what you did get out of it would be INSAAANE to drink though.

      i'm too lazy to google.

    11. Re:seawater into fuel? by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      read article.

      the only pre-processing they did was grinding it up.

  5. Protip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Eat microbes. Have some sushi. Get drunk.

    1. Re:Protip by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      Actually, do not eat the microbes. E. coli is lots of things to lots of people, but it is not a "stomach microbe," it's a small intestine microbe. They're harmless in small quantities (which is how they get there in the first place) but chowing down on bacteria tends to make people sick.

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    2. Re:Protip by failedlogic · · Score: 1

      Better suggestion.

      Eat microbes. Have sushi. Fill up your car with ehanol!!

      That's right man! You can finally stick it to the oil companies by taking a piss in your fuel tank.

    3. Re:Protip by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      Well, maybe you should stick them up your ass. Taking vodka vaginally has been shown not to work, but I don't think anyone's debunked butt-chugging yet. I read about the practice of wine enemas long before anyone was talking about vodka tampons so I still wonder if it could be valid.

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    4. Re:Protip by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      The secondary metabolites would probably still be pretty unpleasant.

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    5. Re:Protip by chill · · Score: 1

      I remember a case in Orlando that was in the newspaper. The guy had a broken jaw and it was wired shut. His wife wanted to help him get drunk, so gave him a vodka enema.

      He died from alcohol poisoning using only about half a bottle. Apparently it is absorbed into the system much faster that way.

      Share and enjoy.

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    6. Re:Protip by DamonHD · · Score: 1

      Having inadvertently swallowed a couple of cc of my saturated GM E.coli culture I can tell you it was at the very least very salty by taste. So likely looking at getting the runs whichever orifice it went in.

      And no, even with my own GMO I did not get super powers. Not even a 1st or cum laude or a hot date... %-P

      Rgds

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    7. Re:Protip by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      Semi-relatedly, there actually were projects to grow bacteria for human consumption in the sixties (source: one of my professors) but the extremely high nucleic acid content proved toxic to humans.

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    8. Re:Protip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't even make sense? If you experiment a little, I think you'll find that it's just as easy to drink alcohol with a wired jaw as it is to drink any other beverage.

    9. Re:Protip by hedwards · · Score: 1

      That's probably true. Some anesthesiologists will do something similar so that they avoid having any track marks. The problem is that the intestines are made to absorb things, the stomach is where food is primarily broken down, but the large intestine is incredibly vascular and absorbs things quite quickly.

    10. Re:Protip by Verteiron · · Score: 1

      Okay, I have to ask the question. How the hell did you inadvertently swallow a couple cc of saturated GM E.coli culture? Were you trying to put it in your partner's lemonade and dropped in your own?

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    11. Re:Protip by DamonHD · · Score: 1

      Nope. I was transferring some cultured E.coli ready to extract the plasmid DNA and run on a gel (IIRC: this was 25y ago!) and we'd run out of Gilson pipette tips (not very good mol-biol lab management) and so in defiance of one set of lab rules I was using a normal glass pipette by mouth and in defiance of another set of lab rules some clown came and slapped me on the back while I was doing it.

      I suppose that I should feel grateful not to have had the pipette jammed up through my brain or something...

      Instead I took a reflex gasp and ... tasty ...

      Rgds

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  6. i doubt that seaweed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is ideal - most of the seaweed i see on the market runs more than $10 an ounce, making corn ethanol look like a fabulous deal at $16.78 a gallon for the consumer...

    1. Re:i doubt that seaweed by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      The price is more reasonable in an Asian market. I picked up some dried seaweed for $4 for 150g. Now, consider that drying removes some 90% of the weight, it's really not such a bad deal. Naturally, there would be huge economies of scale associated with fuel production.

    2. Re:i doubt that seaweed by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      Nah, those are special species of seaweed, grown expressly for eating. This strategy works for seaweed in general, most of which is pennies to the ton because there's no pre-existing (human) use for it.

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    3. Re:i doubt that seaweed by purpledinoz · · Score: 0

      You can't compare the edible seaweed in the market with seaweed for ethanol production. It's probably a completely different plant. Just like there are many different types of plants on land, there are many different types of plants in the sea.

    4. Re:i doubt that seaweed by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Informative

      You can't compare the edible seaweed in the market with seaweed for ethanol production. It's probably a completely different plant.

      Probably? So you don't actually know anything relevant, but you decided to gift and delight us with your comment anyway? Too bad you didn't read the fine summary: "Synthetic biologist Yasuo Yoshikuni, a co-founder of BAL, and his colleagues took Escherichia coli, a gut bacterium most famous as a food contaminant, and made some genetic modifications that give it the ability to turn the sugars in an edible kelp called kombu into fuel." HTH, next time think for more than a tenth of a second before clicking submit.

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    5. Re:i doubt that seaweed by Tsingi · · Score: 1

      You can't compare the edible seaweed in the market with seaweed for ethanol production. It's probably a completely different plant. Just like there are many different types of plants on land, there are many different types of plants in the sea.

      ... that give it the ability to turn the sugars in an edible kelp called kombu into fuel."

    6. Re:i doubt that seaweed by purpledinoz · · Score: 1

      Thank you, you have saved me from reading the article.

    7. Re:i doubt that seaweed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excellent point! GP needs to be -1 Overrated away. Fucking karma whore nerd.

    8. Re:i doubt that seaweed by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      So that means if we start using Seaweed for Ethanol, you won't have enough left for a Sushi roll after we've used up perhaps a trillion metric shit-tons of seaweed!

      I think the main problem would be competing with the already strained food-chain in the ocean... but that's going to be a problem after a million metric shit tons of seaweed are used.

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    9. Re:i doubt that seaweed by mweather · · Score: 1

      The corn we grow for ethanol isn't the same corn we grow to eayt. The important bit is that it takes up farmland that could otherwise be used to grow edible corn. Even if inedible (it's not, this is edible seaweed), this seaweed takes up space that could be used to grow edible seaweed. Same problerm, different crop.

    10. Re:i doubt that seaweed by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      yes, because fuel companies will be buying their konbu at retail price.

    11. Re:i doubt that seaweed by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      konbu is used industrially to make MSG. lots of that stuff gets made. perhaps byproducts from this process could be used to make fuel (does the alginate survive? IANAChemist).

    12. Re:i doubt that seaweed by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      jelly?

      i try to balance my own karma whoring with some healthy trolling.

    13. Re:i doubt that seaweed by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      the strain on the oceanic food chain is us catching all the fish.

      if we wish to continue that, it would become our task to reduce the ensuing oversupply of food in the lower part of the food chain.

      if we keep it in balance, it should be okay. remember how big the sea is. i wonder if, at 5% ethanol yield from the seaweed, how much we'd need to get through to meet current fuel demand?

      of course, you'd want to supplement it with other things. we may only need a modest percentage of total demand from the seaweed, the rest coming from the hundreds of other energy sources being researched.

    14. Re:i doubt that seaweed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kind of irrelevant, but the kind of seaweed in a sushi roll is nori, which is matted together in a similar method to paper making. The kombu is bull kelp, which is used to make soup stocks (it has glutamates similar to MSG) and in stews or sliced finely in vinegared salads. It's not exactly rare (any scuba diver who dives in cold water has certainly seen tons of it), but it's not unlimited either. After the the earthquake in the northern part of Japan there were suggestions that the Japanese supply would be threatened. The price has definitely gone up this year.

      But like you, I would worry that the ecosystem in those areas (not just food, but habitat for fish) would be threatened. Hard to say without study.

    15. Re:i doubt that seaweed by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

      Kelp production was big business when it was used for explosives and soap. We didn't take over the Falkland Islands for the weather.

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  7. mixed feelings by craftycoder · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For the sake of argument, lets say it works and pretty soon the ocean is all fenced off like Nebraska and each family farmer (multinational corp) has their own little farm (ocean). All this does is push off the problems of over populating a little bit further all the while putting pressure new pressures on the environment. While kelp would capture CO from the atmosphere in equal parts to those exhausted when burnt, I'm sure we are not taking into account the other things it will be removing from the seas. What affect might that have? No one knows. While the Capitalist ethic of "Drive it hard and fix what breaks." is romantic, it is also dangerous and doesn't take into account the people they kill along the way. I think I'd prefer to have a substantive conversation on the population control instead of only looking for more resources to exploit. Eventually Malthus will catch up to us, why not stop running from him and face his challenge. Better now while only 7 billion people will have to suffer rather than 12 billion in 20 or 30 years.

    1. Re:mixed feelings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what happens to rich people? They tend to have fewer children.

      "Rich," in this case, can also be read as "resources rich." So I'm not too concerned about overpopulation because we suddenly have access to cheaper and more abundant fuel.

    2. Re:mixed feelings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true. Global average population growth rate is dropping steadily, and current predictions suggest a nine-billion peak at 2050. Overpopulation is not a real danger, as opposed to ill-advised attempts at social engineering.

    3. Re:mixed feelings by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      The problem is that more energy won't make everyone rich ... there is still a huge lack of arable land and water, education etc.

      IMO we are on a path where food aid and the willingness to supply it will run out long before uplifting will stop population growth through choice in the non self sufficient countries. I think we'll get a couple of low population density fortress countries using alternative energy sources to become self sufficient and a lot of shithole countries forced into population culling before they gain the resources necessary to build themselves up.

    4. Re:mixed feelings by Khashishi · · Score: 2

      It's a problem if we are already overpopulated.

    5. Re:mixed feelings by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      That is been the pattern with just about every technological advance, that ends up enabling higher densities.

      Technology gets developed in the lower populated more affluent nations, and eventually works its way to places where the population is currently at its max, due to food supply, or disease. Then that technology enables that maximum to rise a little bit and the population follows.

      Next the war/famine/disease start up again, until some new technology is introduced. I know this sounds harsh but what exactly would you do about it? I think the ethical problems associated with every "solution" I have ever heard are right up there with doing nothing!

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    6. Re:mixed feelings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is no one has ever bothered to figure out how many people earth can support. It might be a lot more than 9 billion for all you know.

    7. Re:mixed feelings by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      It's a problem if we are already overpopulated

      The world *is* producing enough food to support the current human population. The problem is that it's being produced in the wrong places. You have breadbasket countries like Canada and Russia with far more food than they need for their own people, and you have dustbowls like central Africa undergoing major multi-year droughts and unable to produce enough for their own people. While some items would spoil in transit and can't be shipped, it's really a question of political will and economics that prevents us from sharing the food around, not inability to produce it.

    8. Re:mixed feelings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All this does is push off the problems of over populating a little bit further all the while putting pressure new pressures on the environment. While kelp would capture CO from the atmosphere in equal parts to those exhausted when burnt, I'm sure we are not taking into account the other things it will be removing from the seas. What affect might that have? No one knows. While the Capitalist ethic of "Drive it hard and fix what breaks." is romantic, it is also dangerous and doesn't take into account the people they kill along the way. I think I'd prefer to have a substantive conversation on the population control instead of only looking for more resources to exploit.

      Capitalism takes care of overpopulation. Look at a map of countries by population growth. All the high growth is happening in undeveloped countries. The predominantly capitalist developed countries are at or near zero population growth.

      The solution to overpopulation is to encourage economic development in undeveloped regions. As the standard of living rises, it becomes more expensive to rear a child. Banking and investment services allow people to save money, time-shifting their productivity in their younger years into spending money in their older years, lessening the need to produce lots of offspring who will support you in your old age. A functional economy makes available contraceptives, while a pervasive legal system which enforces child support encourages the use of contraception.

      Stopping capitalism and development, and trying revert society to some idealistic rural agrarian society is precisely the opposite of what you want to do if you want to slow down population growth. And why in the world do you want active population control, when capitalism is doing a fine job controlling population growth passively?

    9. Re:mixed feelings by hedwards · · Score: 1

      On top of that, we still have plenty of space. We'll almost certainly run out of fresh water before we run out of either space or food.

    10. Re:mixed feelings by mweather · · Score: 1

      Depends on your definition of support. The planet can't suport the 6.8 billion people in existence if the had an American standard of living, but it can support a billion people with an American standard of living, and most of the rest living a sustienance level existence. I'm sure the planet will support 9 billion just fine, in the sense that a rural Chinese farmer is supported just fine.

    11. Re:mixed feelings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The world only produces enough food, as we inject energy into the process to create nitrate fertilizers, and spew chemicals into the environment to murder insects, and deplete the soil of necessary minerals, (while allowing saline buildup - which takes hundreds of thousands of years to reverse).

      In perhaps 200 years, 7 billion people are not going to be able to survive on what's left. Unless some magical new technology is invented.

    12. Re:mixed feelings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Energy = fresh water. You can make more water than you could ever need if you only have the energy to do so.

    13. Re:mixed feelings by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Technology plays a role too though.

      It wasn't long ago that it couldn't support a million people with an American standard of living.

      Things like clean water, medicine, TV and the internet did not exist.

      The earth could quite possibly support billions of people with American life styles, just not right now, With the ability to convert energy to matter and matter to energy with very little loss for example (I don't think that's coming soon, but it is still quite likely that in 2050 the earth can sustain 9 billion people quite well, even if right now it can only sustain one billion).

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    14. Re:mixed feelings by craftycoder · · Score: 1

      I very well may be wrong about this, but I don't think we can have everyone on Earth living my standard of living. I think the cost of basic commodities will always keep a few people in the "rich" category and the rest int he "poor" category.

      As I once heard, "If you want to be King there has to be serfs." I'd love to be proven wrong, but I'm not hopeful.

    15. Re:mixed feelings by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      The problem is that more energy won't make everyone rich ... there is still a huge lack of arable land and water, education etc.

      It won't make everyone rich, but wouldn't much cheaper energy at least (help) solve the water problem? With much cheaper energy, you can either clean the local water, or desalinate seawater. We're not going to actually run out of water, the vast majority of the earth is covered by it.

      (arguably, cheaper energy can help solve the food problem too, by making it cheaper to transport it anywhere, if they can afford it and/or others give it away -- but mainly I was responding to the water issue.)

  8. Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by intnsred · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But considering the fact of global warming/climate change and the topic of greenhouse gases, isn't our core problem that we are simply burning too much stuff? With that in mind, is this really going to help?

    Shouldn't our focus be on creating forms of energy that produce energy without burning things?

    1. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by mpoulton · · Score: 2

      But considering the fact of global warming/climate change and the topic of greenhouse gases, isn't our core problem that we are simply burning too much stuff?

      Not really. Our problem is that we burn stuff that was buried underground for ever and ever, and we dug it up. Burning stuff that just recently grew is just fine. Growing algae (or any plant, for that matter) removes CO2 from the environment and collects the carbon in the plant tissue. Burning it simply releases the same amount of CO2 that was consumed by growing the plant. It's "carbon neutral" in hippie parlance.

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    2. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      No. The thing about a carbon cycle is that it's, uh, a cycle. If you take a plant and burn it, then grow another plant that absorbs the carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, then you end up with no net increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide. The problem is that we are mostly burning things like coal and oil that have not been atmospheric carbon for several million years. This is, in theory, the point of carbon offsets - they grow some new plants to absorb the carbon that you release from burning fossil fuels.

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    3. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by craftycoder · · Score: 1

      This is true, but what about the "nutrients" that the kelp captures while it grows and then is removed en masse during the harvest? I find this worrisome. More worrisome though is the constant search for more resources to exploit while the ignoring of the fact that we cannot sustain population growth forever. Why not stop increasing the resource requirements before the inevitable war for resources happens and kills off a few billion people?

    4. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No our problem is that we are _not burning enough_.
      The global temperature enhancement for a better (warmer) climate needs to be intensified. Winters are still way too cold here.

    5. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by adolf · · Score: 2

      More worrisome though is the constant search for more resources to exploit while the ignoring of the fact that we cannot sustain population growth forever. Why not stop increasing the resource requirements before the inevitable war for resources happens and kills off a few billion people?

      Sounds good to me. Who do you want to delete first: Your elders, or your children?

    6. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by Hentes · · Score: 1

      The point of biofuel is not that it's ecological but that is, unlike fossil fuel, renewable.

    7. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by limaxray · · Score: 1

      Why is this modded insightful? This process is no different than an animal eating the seaweed and exhaling CO2. No 'new' carbon made its way into the atmosphere, it is just existing carbon making its way through the carbon cycle. By your logic, we should kill off all animal life on the planet (including ourselves) to stop these horrible horrible acts of combustion.

    8. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by FrozenFood · · Score: 0

      I think the only problem we have is with petrol prices being too high due to supply reducing as time goes on. if a replacement fuel is avaliable, with near infinate supply, then thats great!

      I, personaly dont care about "global warming/climate change and the topic of greenhouse gases". if England gets as warm as the south of France, and the 10mm "rising sea levels" are offset by using seawater as a fuel, then I call that a 100% success.

      V8, not G8.

    9. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by Smidge204 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The nutrients would be left over after processing, since all we're interested in is ethanol final product (containing only carbon, oxygen and hydrogen) all the other minerals, fixed nitrogen, proteins etc. would end up as a slurry with waste water. Dump that back into the ocean over the area you're harvesting as fertilizer. Very little would be lost.

      My biggest concern is the ability to scale this method so it produces a worthwhile fraction of our energy needs and becomes economically viable. Ethanol is a fairly poor choice for motor fuel since it's so volatile and hygroscopic - it spoils quickly. It also has low energy density which is more of an inconvenience (need more to get the same output). I'd be much happier with biodiesel as an end product.
      =Smidge=

    10. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      As long as it consumes as much atmospheric CO2 during creation as it produces during burning it doesn't matter, ie. carbon neutral.

    11. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually, leaching of nutrients from farmland into rivers and oceans is already a huge problem. By growing and harvesting seaweed near areas of nutrient leaching, we can effectively 'mop up' these lost nutrients. The nutrient rich waste produced from the ethanol production process could even be returned to farmland as an organic fertiliser.

      Its kinda neat in that regard.

    12. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by lorenlal · · Score: 1

      I say we just give everyone palm flower crystals and work it out from there.

    13. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Fossil fuel is renewable too - just on a rather long time scale. In a few million years (or about next year, according to the global warming crowd), when the earth has warmed up to the point where it is a huge steaming tropical jungle from pole to pole, ferns will again fix fossil fuel and coal seams will be renewed.

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    14. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by craftycoder · · Score: 1

      That is the choice I don't want to have to make. I'd prefer we stop creating so many new people. That requires that we raise the likelihood that each child born has a high probably of surviving and thriving though. That means the wealthy we will need to be more generous with the less fortunate. The other option though is that we are stingy, so the less fortunate perceive that the only way to be sure that someone will be there to support them when they are old is to have a ton a children, and that will make the lives of each of those offspring more miserable than necessary, but may also hasten the death of all of us (through destruction of the environment and creation of epidemics).

      Malthus explained all of this almost 2 centuries ago. We will reproduce until the environment cannot sustain us, and then we will have mass culling of some type. Darwin expanded on Malthus' work to show that this culling was one of the mechanisms of natural selection. I may have an overly high opinion of what it is possible for people to do, but I'd like to think that we could avoid all that unnecessary suffering through generosity and family planning. It's probably impossible, but since the outcome cannot be worse than doing nothing I think its worth a try. Finding new resources to exploit so that the mass culling begins when there are 12 billion people instead of 7 billion people only mean 5 billion more people need to suffer when the inevitable happens. It will happen if we don't take action.

    15. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by TheMeuge · · Score: 1

      But considering the fact of global warming/climate change and the topic of greenhouse gases, isn't our core problem that we are simply burning too much stuff? With that in mind, is this really going to help?

      Shouldn't our focus be on creating forms of energy that produce energy without burning things?

      Your argument is fundamentally flawed, because ultimately, any energy generation will result in rising global temperature. After all, heat is the ultimate byproduct of reducing local entropy in any system.

    16. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by craftycoder · · Score: 1

      I know a scientist that is working on a microbe that you can pump into an oil well and after a sufficient period of time you pump out diesel. It's really cool and creates major efficiencies in refining but doesn't deal with the release of fossil carbon at all. I'd like to see a biodiesel solution as well.

    17. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by Tsingi · · Score: 2

      Sounds good to me. Who do you want to delete first: Your elders, or your children?

      AC's

    18. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

      Ethanol from seaweed is about as close to carbon neutral as you're going to get.

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    19. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Except that Malthus was wrong then and has been proven wrong over and over and over again in the time that has passed.

      Each and every time we have found a away to crash through every imaginary barrier to a growing population anyone has supposed existed. There are booms and busts, and every time there is a bust some people go around thinking the "end is neigh, the great culling is upon us". The next thing that happens is we have a little war, which lowers the population a little bit, gets people focused on solving problems again. We address the challenges of the day and soar to new heights.

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    20. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by craftycoder · · Score: 1

      You will probably die a happy old man who never saw the reckoning your brand of apathy caused. It will come though not likely in our life time.

      I'm guessing we can agree that the world cannot sustain a trillion people, right? We are already doing all manner of terrible things to sustain our current population (inoculating livestock with antibiotics so they grow faster comes to mind). We will have to get more and more grotesque in our "advances" to keep with the billions of new mouths to feed. At some point, be it 12 billion or 24 billion, our "advances" will fail to keep up and it will be catastrophic. More is not better. More is just more. We can see the end of the road ahead (even if it is a at trillion people), it seems silly to just ignore it and hope for the best.

      Malthus proved wrong? LOL, thats a good one! We should talk that one over at your next bible study meeting.

    21. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd prefer we stop creating so many new people.

      The number of people isn't the problem. It is the high standard of living all those people aspire to that is the problem. High standard of living equates to ridiculously high energy consumption per capita.

    22. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by WalksOnDirt · · Score: 1

      This is, in theory, the point of carbon offsets - they grow some new plants to absorb the carbon that you release from burning fossil fuels.

      In practice, though, the new plants will be cut down well before the carbon dioxide can be naturally absorbed. I don't expect offsets to work.

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    23. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      That's like a worst of both worlds solution. You still get all the pollution of drilling and you get known of the benefits from turning the CO2 in the air into new fuel.

    24. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by philcowans · · Score: 1

      Butanol seems to be a good option here - similar energy density to gasoline and can be used neat in any vehicle without modification, so no limits to blending either. I think there's a push at the moment to retrofit ethanol refineries to produce it, but I have no idea whether that technology's applicable here.

    25. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      What makes you think we will still be confined to the Earth? I expect our solar system can support 1 trillion people just fine

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    26. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

      That's also a good option if possible. Butanol is used in a lot of non-fuel applications (from tires to paints to food additives) and is currently produces from fossil fuel sources.

      =Smidge=

    27. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by david.given · · Score: 1

      The action of growing the plants is what absorbs the carbon. This is because plants are mostly made of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen, all of which they get out of the atmosphere. (Plus a handful of trace elements.)

      This is why you can keep taking tonnes of plants out of the same patch of soil while all you put back in is a small amount of fertiliser. It's also how airplants work, which have no roots.

      You grow the plant and it absorbs carbon. Then you kill it, turn it into ethanol, and burn it. The carbon goes back into the atmosphere. Net carbon offset: zero.

    28. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by williamfrench4 · · Score: 2

      The earth can probably support a trillion people just fine, if we reduce our body size sufficiently. If height is reduced by a factor of 20 (to around three inches), resource consumption should drop by a factor of roughly 400. Metabolic adjustments could easily yield another factor of 2 (do we really need to be warm-blooded?)

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    29. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by ProfessorPillage · · Score: 2

      Your argument is fundamentally flawed, because ultimately, any energy generation will result in rising global temperature. After all, heat is the ultimate byproduct of reducing local entropy in any system.

      No, the amount of heat released by energy production is to small to make a difference (it is tiny compared to the incoming solar radiation), and radiates to space quickly. Systemic changes to the equilibrium are the problem- mainly increasing the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases that trap some of the energy from sunlight, but also things like changing the surface albedo through land use changes.

    30. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I believe it also takes a new type of biomass.

      My understanding is that much of our oil comes from when plants were new, nothing was breaking down and consuming their cells, that are much tougher than animal cells. That has since changed. The carbon in a fallen tree is not going to be stored for millions of years and become oil, it is going to be broken down into CO2 by fungi and bacteria well before then.

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    31. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by johanatan · · Score: 1

      We are already doing all manner of terrible things to sustain our current population (inoculating livestock with antibiotics so they grow faster comes to mind). We will have to get more and more grotesque in our "advances" to keep with the billions of new mouths to feed.

      You must have missed the article on synthetic meat. Or, do you consider that grotesque?

    32. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing about a carbon cycle is that it's, uh, a cycle.

      Calling it a cycle implies there's balance. We're burning fuel faster than the plants on the entire surface of the planet can store it again, which is why it's building up. It doesn't really matter how or where it was trapped, it isn't being stored again as quickly as it's being released.

      Figure out how to increase carbon sequestration of the whole planet a hundredfold, so that it matches its release. If every person planted a tree every day of their life, it still wont balance out. We're talking millions of years of plants storing energy that we've released in how many?

      F*ing doomed is an understatement.

    33. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then like; we should totally explode because there's heaps of heat underground!

    34. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another concern would be messing up the CO2 / O2 ratios in the ocean. Take out the O2 and the oceans become dead zones. Even if the seaweed doesn't do that, dumping nitrates and other leftovers would increase the changes of algae blooms forming and killing off the other wildlife.

    35. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      Right, Carbon Cycle... How about Embracing the Dominant Lifeform Cycle and getting EXTINCT then?

      I promise the insectoid anthropologists of the future won't use your oily carbon based corpse for fuel.

    36. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We'd better drink it all and not drive anymore

    37. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by WalksOnDirt · · Score: 1

      This has nothing to do with carbon offsets. You plant a forest, you get an offset. If the forest is chopped down the offset should go away, but it probably won't.

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    38. Re:Nice from a tech point of view, *BUT*... by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      We are already doing all manner of terrible things to sustain our current population (inoculating livestock with antibiotics so they grow faster comes to mind).

      Why do you call that "sustain[ing] our current population"? I would call that doing it so that the livestock producer can make more profit.

  9. Don't worry Big Oil! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your hired scientists will come up with "research" that proves this is not working either. The math will be impeccable! The quotations will be spread across the land just like your oil derricks!

  10. This is only the first step... by hort_wort · · Score: 1

    ... in producing fire-breathing sea monsters.

    1. Re:This is only the first step... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      ... in producing fire-breathing sea monsters.

      Very drunk fire-breathing sea monsters with bad diarrhea perhaps...

      I'm not all that worried about Cecil the Inebriated Sea Serpent.

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  11. Convert the unemployed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Currently there are millions unemployed. They should be converted into bio-fuels so they can actually do something useful for this country.

    1. Re:Convert the unemployed! by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Currently there are millions unemployed. They should be converted into bio-fuels so they can actually do something useful for this country.

      I have a different proposal: Use Anonymous Cowards for that purpose.

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    2. Re:Convert the unemployed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess - you're one of those lazy "can't find a job" leaches who all my tax dollars are going to!

    3. Re:Convert the unemployed! by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Let me guess - you're one of those lazy "can't find a job" leaches who all my tax dollars are going to!

      You guessed wrong. I've got a job, and even if I were jobless, it would not be your tax dollars which would pay me. And I don't have a problem with paying for those having no job because I know that if I should lose my job then I'll get money, too, until I find something new.

      And yes, there are some people abusing the system. But they are the minority.

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    4. Re:Convert the unemployed! by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Considering where our tax dollars are going, I think what you're trying to say he's part of the military industrial complex? All of those people are employed though, so I'm confused.

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  12. Interesting idea, but what about the full impact? by Web-o-matic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seaweed is a key component of the ocean ecosystem, providing a safe environment - and indeed a source of food - for other sea life. Mass harvesting seaweed would impact this broader ecosystem, and in unknown ways. At the least it could hurt fisheries. It might be nice to understand this impact before 'seaweed farmers' go out and clear cut huge swaths of seaweed forests!

  13. Is it the sweet crude oil? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Wasn't the sweet crude petroleum formed millions of years ago by decaying seaweed and soft bodied marine creatures? So in a way this enigneered microbe is just accelerating the natural process by about 100 million years.

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    1. Re:Is it the sweet crude oil? by flyingfsck · · Score: 1, Informative

      No. Oil is not decayed plant matter. Oil is created by archaea bacteria in the earth's crust, from methane and ethane gas that was created when the previous sun went nova. Note that I said 'is created' - an ongoing, but very, very slow process. Coal is decayed plant matter from multiple global wide tropical jungle periods about 100 million years ago.

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    2. Re:Is it the sweet crude oil? by synaptik · · Score: 4, Funny

      when the previous sun went nova.

      Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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    3. Re:Is it the sweet crude oil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oil is not created by bacteria in the earths crust and certainly has nothing to do with a non-existent previous sun going nova. Petroleum oil is derived from ancient fossilized organic materials, such as zooplankton and algae being transformed by high heat and pressure into petroleum and natural gas. Coal is formed by carbonization of plant matter that was protected by decay by mud or acidic water.

    4. Re:Is it the sweet crude oil? by Hatta · · Score: 2

      Informative? Abiogenic petroleum is more than a little controversial. It can't be ruled out, but it's far from mainstream geological opinion.

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    5. Re:Is it the sweet crude oil? by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      Congratulations on getting an Informative mod for utter rubbish.

  14. The Japanese Have Had This Forever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This must be why they like Sushi so much!

  15. Ooh! The energy crisis solved *again!* by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yet another inefficient solar collector that will save the world from oil dependence. I'm so sure we can scale up production to replace the 160 exajoules of energy provided by oil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_mile_of_oil#Definition_and_energy_equivalents), which is what's currently required each year by industrial civilization.

    Man, I just can't get enough of these "The energy crisis is solved!" stories. I've loved them since I was a kid in the 60s. Funny, how we're still gulping that oil though.

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    1. Re:Ooh! The energy crisis solved *again!* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No worries, I am sure that whining about things not solving the problem will solve the problem.

    2. Re:Ooh! The energy crisis solved *again!* by trout007 · · Score: 1

      And the one thing that we know works is illegal.

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    3. Re:Ooh! The energy crisis solved *again!* by ibsteve2u · · Score: 1

      Man, I just can't get enough of these "The energy crisis is solved!" stories. I've loved them since I was a kid in the 60s. Funny, how we're still gulping that oil though.

      The science in this arena has a more difficult time than in most others as it has an additional hurdle to overcome beyond the science itself: Vested interests.

      What with Big Carbon playing Pope Urban VIII to alternative energy's Galileo, any progress is significant.

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    4. Re:Ooh! The energy crisis solved *again!* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What?

    5. Re:Ooh! The energy crisis solved *again!* by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

      I call BS. Energy companies don't care what kind of energy they sell. If dead grandmothers turned out to be a significant energy sources, Shell and Exxon would just start buying up graveyards. If renewables produced enough energy to matter, Shell and Exxon would be busy transitioning their assets to it.

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    6. Re:Ooh! The energy crisis solved *again!* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah! Nothing has worked so far, so let's mocks those who try!

      Awesome!

    7. Re:Ooh! The energy crisis solved *again!* by ibsteve2u · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So you think the successful Republican efforts to block conservation and alternative energy research post-OPEC oil embargo - to include Reagan ripping Carter's solar panels off the roof of the White House - had nothing to do with Big Carbon's wishes?

      Interesting perspective.

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    8. Re:Ooh! The energy crisis solved *again!* by trout007 · · Score: 2

      Reprocessing spent fuel and breeder reactors.

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    9. Re:Ooh! The energy crisis solved *again!* by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

      Only coincidentally. Most representatives of big oil tend to be Republican conservatives. Believe me, if there were an energetically and economically profitable alternative energy source, those greedheads would be on it tomorrow. Why not? Current alternative energy efforts by large companies are all for show. Anybody who's looked can see that the energy return on most of the alternative energy sources is pretty poor and on those where it's not so poor, it's not very scalable (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/EROI_-_Ratio_of_Energy_Returned_on_Energy_Invested_-_USA.svg/450px-EROI_-_Ratio_of_Energy_Returned_on_Energy_Invested_-_USA.svg.png). Unfortunately, powerdown is inevitable and while oil companies are trying to maximize profit until that happens, they really won't have to do much over the next 40 years as the cheap oil dwindles and inevitably becomes more expensive.

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    10. Re:Ooh! The energy crisis solved *again!* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Man, I just can't get enough of these "The energy crisis is solved!" stories.

      I just can't get enough of these "I didn't read the fucking article yet let me tell you something" opinions. No such claim was made. The claim made was that it could help towards replacing 1% of the energy supply with this bio-fuel.

    11. Re:Ooh! The energy crisis solved *again!* by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      It doesn't have to replace all the energy we get from oil, just the stuff we use to make our small personal transport devices work. The rest can come from more efficient solar collectors.

    12. Re:Ooh! The energy crisis solved *again!* by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

      Good luck running an industrial civilization on that.

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    13. Re:Ooh! The energy crisis solved *again!* by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      No need for luck. We do it right now. Unfortunately our current choice of cheap solar energy looks like it has some unsustainable detrimental effects on the environment and is getting harder and harder to find anyway.

      So are you suggesting we abandon industrial civilization or just invent fusion?

    14. Re:Ooh! The energy crisis solved *again!* by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      New technology means a few things to them they don't like:
      1) new competitors, where they do not have government granted monopolies
      2) new business models, which are murder on large established companies

      Now the power companies solution is generally conservation, they don't want to make the new capital expenditure any sooner than necessary, but the oil companies have a hige vested interest in the status quo. It's low margin, but hugely profitable, due to the fact that one cannot compete with them.

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  16. Re: Scope for new employment! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Watch in the employment sites for adverts :John Deere u/w combine harvester operators needed. Deep Diving experience compulsory.

  17. Free beer! by somethingtoremember · · Score: 0

    So here's how it goes, this microbe is transplanted back into a human stomach like mine, right, and then I eat kombu and get wayyyyystteeed. Whatever about fuel, this thing is making free* moonshine.

    *I bet seaweed's pretty cheap

  18. What happens when it shows up in the wild. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The oceans become self sustaining fireballs and the earth becomes a second sun!!!!

  19. Stomach microbe? Bioshock here we come!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll volunteer to join the Big Daddies!

  20. Get me some of those microbes by backslashdot · · Score: 1

    I figure after I eat those microbes I could get drunk just by eating seaweed. I could just live at the beach .. perfect.

  21. isnit boyo by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    it wouldn't crowd out food crops the way corn for ethanol does.

    But seaweed is a food, so yes it would.

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    1. Re:isnit boyo by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      You're going to plant seaweed in fields, are you? Good luck with that. There's more than one species of seaweed, and the sort we eat is not a major component of the planet's diet like corn is.

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    2. Re:isnit boyo by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You're going to plant seaweed in fields, are you?

      Yes, I said so in those exact words. Can't you read?

      There's more than one species of seaweed, and the sort we eat is not a major component of the planet's diet like corn is.

      Nonetheless, the surface of the Earth is finite. Any part of it used for growing fuel is a part that's not growing food - wet or dry.

      I wonder if there is a microbe that can break down strawmen into something useful.

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    3. Re:isnit boyo by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      I see. So you're saying that we have a duty to use as much as possible of the planet for growing food. I had no idea seafood was that popular.

      It is not a strawman, sir: there's more than enough ocean to do both at the same time.

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  22. Cellulosic ethanol comes up short by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 4, Informative

    The WSJ had an article last month on the Cellulosic Ethanol Debacle. The various approaches just haven't worked at all. Try whatever tabletop approach catches your fancy but in the real world lignin just doesn't scale up to anything approaching meaningful commercial volumes, as of yet anyway. And our tax dollars go towards these attempts, keep in mind.

    People have been fiddling about with these approaches for almost a century too, and making all manner of grandiose claims; I've parsed news clippings from the 1920s promising a coming era of limitless cheap ethanol to replace rock oil. It would take catastrophically high crude oil prices to really spur development here, but chances are we'd also turn to dirtier approaches like coal-to-liquids which are somewhat more profitable and scalable; or simply employ conservation to the point where the price would drop back down anyway. The International Energy Agency had an excellent document on approaches for
    Saving Oil in a Hurry, which may be of interest.

    1. Re:Cellulosic ethanol comes up short by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 1

      Whoops, forgot that link: Saving Oil in a Hurry.

    2. Re:Cellulosic ethanol comes up short by pseudofrog · · Score: 4, Interesting
      You said:

      Try whatever tabletop approach catches your fancy but in the real world lignin just doesn't scale up to anything approaching meaningful commercial volumes

      From the summary:

      Most importantly for would-be biofuel-makers, it contains no lignin—a strong strand of complex sugars that stiffens plant stalks and poses a big obstacle to turning land-based plants such as switchgrass into biofuel.

    3. Re:Cellulosic ethanol comes up short by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      An almost incomprehensible number of my tax dollars go to alternately propping up or dismantling backward-ass middle-eastern governments, mired in thousands of years of tribal-conflict politics with frankly insane cultural / religious philosophies that are enforced on their citizens at gunpoint (or worse).

      WHY? to make sure Exxon and friends continue to reap insane profits on that sweet, sweet cheap as hell middle eastern oil.

      I want to re-iterate that for all the right-wingers in the crowd denouncing "my tax dollars for these hippie-dippy schemes to replace good old manly oil" ... for every one of your tax dollars that goes to this sort of research, like probably ten-thousand go to our various war efforts, aid programs and intelligence organizations for the purposes of "national security" (i.e. making sure that oil keeps flowing).

      I made that number up out of my ass, but you know it's true, and you also know that ten-thousand is probably a low estimate.

      We need to cancel all the wars, tell the middle eastern clown patrol to go f-themselves and lets put all of that war money into figuring this shit out. Make it this generation's moonshot. You think if we did that, we *wouldn't* find a solution?

    4. Re:Cellulosic ethanol comes up short by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I thought about that after posting. I used 'lignin' as a blanket statement for any and all methods here. But this has been tried before, as I implied; here's a 1979 news clipping about floating kelp being gasified into methane for use as fuel, for instance. (I can't load these Google News archive pieces in Chrome for some reason, btw).

      There have been heaps of schemes for sea-based algae farms growing biofuels, too. Lignin isn't an issue there either. There seems little new in this approach; would it be able to compete with good ol' corn based ethanol? There's so much built infrastructure for that already, and massive corporations throwing their weight behind it. TFA mentions a potential yield of 1% of US demand being met by about 1% of available offshore area, which might be utilized for fuel additives; but how could such a scheme compete with their terrestrial equivalents? Which is why I've always had my doubts about these approaches, to justify going offshore for any resource you need something with high yields and profits, meaning hydrocarbons or fish, pretty much. It just isn't worth it attempting to mine the seafloor yet.

    5. Re:Cellulosic ethanol comes up short by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      There seems little new in this approach; would it be able to compete with good ol' corn based ethanol? There's so much built infrastructure for that already, and massive corporations throwing their weight behind it. >

      But any damn thing can beat corn based ethanol. It takes more than a gallon of gasoline to make a gallon equivalent of corn based ethanol. I think it is a matter of time before the genetic code of the bacteria used to digest cellulose in the guts of termites is cracked. Then lignin would not be an issue at all. There are bacteria that break down cellulose in the mud and the guts of termites. They manage to produce surplus energy to live after spending whatever energy it takes to break it down. So it has a positive energy output, unlike you corn based ethanol. Will the process be fast enough? Will the surplus energy be enough to scale it to industrial proportions? I am not sure.

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  23. Awesome! by eggstasy · · Score: 1

    We'll turn the entire ocean into BOOZE! :)

    1. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's times like this when I feel the need to post comments as Anonymous Alcoholic.

  24. They couldn't find better help? by cvtan · · Score: 1

    Personally, I rather have a real biologist working on this than a synthetic one.

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  25. The next primary fuel will be methane not ethanol. by Colin+Smith · · Score: 0

    So it's good that this research is privately funded and isn't wasting taxes.
     

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  26. Re:Interesting idea, but what about the full impac by biodata · · Score: 1

    To say nothing of the carbon captured by the seaweed as it grows, and sequestered on the seabed. This sounds like a recipe for making climate change worse faster.

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  27. Re:The next primary fuel will be methane not ethan by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Where will it come from? How will it be delivered?

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  28. What do you mean "will"? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    Is.

    Google will tell you.
     

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    1. Re:What do you mean "will"? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You're pretty hilarious. I actually know a lot about methane and frankly I don't see it happening. We're still wasting most of the methane feedstocks. AIWPS could potentially provide a lot of methane and algae for very little money, but we don't even do that where it's convenient.

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    2. Re:What do you mean "will"? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      I actually know a lot about methane

      Clearly.

      So how many CNG vehicles are there on the roads today for example in Europe, or Asia?
       

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    3. Re:What do you mean "will"? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      About ten or eleven million worldwide, whoop de doo. Of course this only counts licensed vehicles, not leaf blower conversions.

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    4. Re:What do you mean "will"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CNG vehicles are a tiny, tiny fraction of methane use, most of which goes into "clean" power plants. Natural gas accounts for about 20% of total energy consumption, and vehicles are 3% of that.

      NG, especially in the US is experiencing massive growth because fracking has basically flooded the market with cheap gas. It is almost impossible to get that gas out of the US, at least for the next couple of years, and Europe has been much less anxious to embrace fracking. US NG is somewhere between 1/3 and 1/4 what it is in Europe/Japan, but there are neither export terminals nor LNG carriers available to relieve that differential

    5. Re:What do you mean "will"? by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      I actually know a lot about methane and frankly I don't see it happening. We're still wasting most of the methane feedstocks.

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  29. Dredging up the oceans won't hurt anything... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can see the massive dredges now, ripping out all the life in our oceans in the name of 'clean' energy.

  30. Re:Interesting idea, but what about the full impac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seaweed is fairly easy to grow artificial, and can be done at minimal impact in surface water out at sea.

    as long as you thrown back into the sea any waste products that are left after the ethanol production this whole process can be pretty much a closed loop, except for the solar energy used by the seaweed to grow

    and could even provide additional habitat for fish and other sea life, provided the harvesting method isn't too destructive (but i imagine that it would just involve removing the structures the sea weed grows from the water before harvesting.)

  31. Is surplus corn good or bad? - make up your mind by theophilosophilus · · Score: 1

    "It grows in much of the two thirds of the planet that is underwater, so it wouldn't crowd out food crops the way corn for ethanol does. "

    There is so much uneducated FUD about biofuel which only goes to show that the best of intentions among environmentalists and world hunger activists can have adverse environmental and social impacts. If use of corn for ethanol was an issue I would expect the vulnerable third world countries to be crying out for the US to sell them corn, but that isn't the case. The third world is attempting to curb the expansion of US production of corn. See e.g. http://prospectjournal.ucsd.edu/index.php/2010/04/nafta-and-u-s-corn-subsidies-explaining-the-displacement-of-mexicos-corn-farmers/ http://www.oxfam.org/sites/www.oxfam.org/files/truth.pdf

    If people want to solve a problem, at least decide what the problem is. What is the greater evil, too much or too little corn?

    As a side note, seaweed biofuels may be a better solution to bio-fuels - or it may not. Treating the environment and problems of world hunger as questions with such a simple answer is dangerous.

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  32. Re:Interesting idea, but what about the full impac by iive · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not long ago I watched a TV program that presented the work of Japanese scientist Izuru Senaha . He have found that seaweed grows optimally at 2% CO2 concentration (72 times the normal concentration in sea water). They use method (developed by Masanori Hiraoka) where the seaweeds are in constant motion to boost their growth.
    He is making experiments by collecting CO2 from local power plants and using it to grow seaweed.

    It would make a lot more sense to have farms for rapid growth than having to collect seaweed from the ocean.

    This method alone could be great for collecting the carbon from the air and making it into solid form (thus reversing the greenhouse effect). But that would not be profitable on its own.

  33. Seaweed? by PPH · · Score: 2

    Will this work with aquatic milfoil? Because I know a few places that would be happy to part with theirs.

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    1. Re:Seaweed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These E.coli bacteria turn sugars into ethanol, a far easier trick. For normal sugars, we've known how to do so for 7000 years. The sugars in seaweed are different, which is why some GM was needed. That change won't do anything to the lignin in milfoil, unfortunately.

      (However, from a CO2 balance viewpoint, there's nothing wrong with digging up coal and burying milfoil. All carbon is created equal, if you ignore an occasional neutron)

    2. Re:Seaweed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have 800 billion tons of aquatic milfoil available for pickup July through September.

  34. Stomach Microbe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd just like to point out that E. coli is not a "stomach microbe." The bacteria referred to as gut flora reside almost entirely in the colon. If you do have E. coli in your stomach, I urge you to improve your sanitary infrastructure or stop frequenting that shady corner deli for lunch.

    1. Re:Stomach Microbe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean the shady corner deli run by middle aged swarthy males whose writing looks like videotape blowing in the wind?

      When will the "educated and enlightened" learn not to waste their mod points on AC postings?

  35. Re:Interesting idea, but what about the full impac by iive · · Score: 1

    Minor correction, the normal concentration in sea water is 0.035%. This means the 2% is actually about 57-60 times the norm.

  36. Wrong Plant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should look for some way to do this with Kudzu. So far as I am aware, there is no other redeeming value, and apparently its growth rate if phenomenal.

  37. And how many LNG tankers were ordered last year? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    For example compared to the previous years?
     

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  38. Seaweed was already being conveted into oil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since seaweed and algae can already be converted into oil...

    http://www.eurozone-invest.com/seaweedoil.html
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22187812/ns/us_news-environment/t/seaweed-solution-warming-not-so-fast/#.TxxfqDjYN5M
    http://sequestration.mit.edu/pdf/Quiviger_thesis.pdf

    The question arises, which method is more efficient? Which method creates a more stable fuel? Which method has the least environmental impact?

  39. Re:Interesting idea, but what about the full impac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the carbon is not sequestered. its made into ethanol.

  40. Picture Monsanto getting the rights to this by jwijnands · · Score: 1

    It gets loose, we face a major eco disaster and the company sues anyone that dares to complain. This one's got me worried. We've already got overfishing and trawlers messing everything up. Pretty soon we'll see trawling for seaweed I suppose.

  41. Humor Fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would have been funny if you'd left the "d" off "weed".

  42. Am I the only one that thought of this? by DadLeopard · · Score: 1

    With all the weird, at least from our point of view, products on the Japanese market, how long do you think it will be before there is Kombu Whiskey on the shelves there, considering they would probably have to age it a bit first!

  43. Wouldn't crows out food? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but seaweed is food, right? So like growing corn for ethanol means we can grow less corn for food, doesn't that mean using seaweed for ethanol also mean we can grow less for food?

    1. Re:Wouldn't crows out food? by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Not all seaweed is food; actually as far as I can tell a small number of species are digestible by human beings. In fact, seaweed is tough enough and has enough chemical defenses that very few marine organisms can eat it either.

  44. So, how well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..would this bacteria survive in my gut? I like the idea of being able to convert my food into alcohol within my bowels..

  45. SWEET! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Eat bacteria
    2) Eat seaweed
    3) Pass out on grass

  46. Re:Interesting idea, but what about the full impac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about collecting CO2 from the output of fossil fuel power plants, etc, near the ocean and feeding it into/through special beds of kelp that are designed to be harvested for fuel?

  47. Re:Interesting idea, but what about the full impac by Yankovic · · Score: 1

    not only that, carbon sequestration is a good thing (tm)

  48. Seriously ... by XrayJunkie · · Score: 1

    ... you really think that mankind will survive the next 100 years?
    One day we will make some terrible, not reverseable mistake.
    I always have a bad feeling about these things.