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Apple Nets 350K Textbook Downloads In 3 Days

redletterdave writes "On Jan. 19, Apple introduced iBooks 2, its digital solution to the physical textbook. In the first three days of release, users have downloaded more than 350,000 e-textbooks from the new platform, and more than 90,000 users have downloaded the authoring tool to make those e-textbooks, called iBooks Author. It makes sense that Apple's iBooks 2 platform is taking off in such a short period of time; there is very little merit to the physical textbook, and the education industry has been waiting for a viable solution like this for some time. Physical textbooks lack portability, durability, accessibility, consistent quality, interactivity and searchability, and they're not environmentally friendly."

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  1. Not to mention... by bhtooefr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...that you can resell a physical textbook, sometimes, and that cuts into textbook publisher profits.

    1. Re:Not to mention... by twotacocombo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which is why they come out with a 'new' edition every couple of years, rendering the previous editions 'obsolete' and therefore worthless on the secondary market.

    2. Re:Not to mention... by Synerg1y · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yep, but remember some books like say your biology textbook, benefit greatly from this refresh, but a writing book??? Sounds like a partial racket, confirmed by 1k+ college textbook bills. Irregardless of research, some people are making bank on this.

    3. Re:Not to mention... by somersault · · Score: 5, Funny

      Irregardless not of unwhat you maynotbe athinking, tis not unprecisely an acromulent word.

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    4. Re:Not to mention... by twotacocombo · · Score: 2

      I also have an IT degree (shocking here, i know), and I remember in one class we were to get the 6th edition of the book, but someone wound up with a 4th edition. It was almost the exact same book, word for word, except the chapters had been reordered and some of the chapter-end questions were different. It was one of the Server 2003 classes, and this was back in 2009. Not sure how they could justify 6 editions in almost as many years regarding relatively low-level OS operations...

    5. Re:Not to mention... by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      "IT degree"

      This saddens me.

      Honestly, An I.T. degree? this should be an Electronics Engineering Degree with a minor in Computer Science. The fact there is such a thing as an I.T. degree makes me sad.

      The other fact that the books do not get updated, makes me think the value of such a degree is invalid. IT books from just 6 years ago are 100% worthless today.

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    6. Re:Not to mention... by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "As an aside, I would like to note that reselling your books is a scam anyway."

      not really, I get a buttload of money from my wifes books every semester on Amazon.com, many times selling instantly for 80% of the purchase price, only a complete fool turns them into the bookstore.

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    7. Re:Not to mention... by twotacocombo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What do I tell people when asked what I do for a living? "Work with computers" or "IT department". Nobody really gives a crap about my "Computer Network Systems Engineering" degree. {------"IT Degree" is short for "I don't want to have to say that every time"

      Also, IT books from 6 years ago are still entirely relevant. A lot of my coursework was in Server 2003 and Cisco IOS environments, of which there are still thousands upon thousands of installs out in the field. We still use a system written in BBX that was just recently moved off of a SCO Unix machine. Just because technology marches on doesn't mean knowledge becomes irrelevant. On the contrary, the older and more scarce a technology becomes, the more valuable that knowledge becomes. I hear California was looking for some COBOL programmers recently :)

    8. Re:Not to mention... by mjwx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Physical textbooks lack portability, durability, accessibility, consistent quality, interactivity and searchability, and they're not environmentally friendly."

      Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha,

      Oh wait, their serious.

      Durability:
      I still have textbooks from 1997,
      My boss has a textbook from 1956 (borrowed from a university library, hate to imagine what 56 years of late fees look like).
      My texbook gets rained on, 95% chance I can use it again.
      I have a pile of broken Ipads out the back, they aren't even 3 years old yet.

      Accessibility.
      Ipads have about 6-7 hours of usable battery life (yes fanboys, this is what they get under real world conditions, especially after the battery has gone through a few charge (read: abuse) cycles).
      Books dont run out of batteries and become unusable.

      Not Enviromentally Friendly:
      Right, we all know paper can be recycled right. Then made into new paper.
      Sustainable forestry, try looking it up.
      Ipads make more pollution when being made, then they continue to produce pollution whilst being used (they use electricity, producing electricity creates pollution).

      The green angle has to be the most laughable out of all of these. Especially with Apples reputation.

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  2. Unofficial Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The numbers have been released by a third party. Remember that before you take them for granted and/or bash Apple.

    I for one can't imagine what "proprietary methods" are able to estimate download numbers from Apple's servers.

  3. They're also stupidly overpriced by sandytaru · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My systems analysis textbook set me back almost two hundred dollars brand new. My database management book was $120 used. My professor was the author of the latter; he had said he had asked his publisher about eBook editions, and they demurred, because their profits would be cut in half.

    The textbook industry needed this swift kick in the nuts to break up the racket.

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    1. Re:They're also stupidly overpriced by Khashishi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your professor could probably publish the damn thing himself with today's software tools, thereby kicking the textbook industry in the nuts.

  4. ... and the EULA for the authoring tool... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    forces you to sell only via the Apple Store. So, Apple will make 30% on every text book sold which is written in their new tool, and likey 30% on every new, yearly addition which changes a picture here or there and yet charges full price (what, you don't think this odious practice from physical books will make it into electronic textbooks?)

    Talk about vendor lock-in.

    And good luck trying to sell your book at the end of the year back to the Apple Store...

    1. Re:... and the EULA for the authoring tool... by v1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      forces you to sell only via the Apple Store. So, Apple will make 30% on every text book sold which is written in their new tool, and likey 30% on every new, yearly addition which changes a picture here or there and yet charges full price (what, you don't think this odious practice from physical books will make it into electronic textbooks?)

      Talk about vendor lock-in.

      And good luck trying to sell your book at the end of the year back to the Apple Store...

      Very little of that is relevant if it reduces the student's final book costs by 70%. I'll happily give Apple their book lock-in all day long if it saves me a few grand on textbooks. Wouldn't you?

      (I yanked that 70% out of thin air, someone with better digging skills please dig up some hard numbers for us, but I can't imagine the savings being any LESS than that really, anyone that's had to pay their own college bills knows books are a complete racket)

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    2. Re:... and the EULA for the authoring tool... by ninetyninebottles · · Score: 2

      and the EULA for the authoring tool forces you to sell only via the Apple Store.

      True, but we've seen this scene play out before. Apple's tool is only for getting content to sell more iPads, but as soon as there is a serious market, Adobe or someone else will be making tools that will make epub books specifically tailored for the iPad and for the leading Android and the Kindle. While I wish Apple would go with tools that publish to open standards right away I also see they are a business and want to encourage iPad sales, not just tablet sales in general. Now that we have a slick competitor in the authoring space though we should see competition heat up. That is good for everyone.

      Talk about vendor lock-in.

      Vendor lock in usually refers to paid products. We all expect vendor lock in when we are getting it for free. Is Grooveshark "vendor lock-in" because you can only listen to their music from their website? iBook author is FREE as a way of promoting Apple's service and devices. If they were selling it you might have room for complaint.

      And good luck trying to sell your book at the end of the year back to the Apple Store...

      With the economy of scale of textbooks, no one should ever have to sell one back. They should be permanent reference materials for the rest of your life. Hell, for a pittance compared to other spending the US or EU could easily fund the creation of hundred of top quality textbooks a year and give them away to the citizenry. That would be a reasonable investment in our future, certainly more so than most of the pork.

    3. Re:... and the EULA for the authoring tool... by Microlith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll happily give Apple their book lock-in all day long if it saves me a few grand on textbooks. Wouldn't you?

      No, I'm not so foolish as to dive head first into brand lock-in. I like having my books exist independent of one company's platform. Platform dependent books, who would have thought such nonsense would ever actually happen?

      This is a problem that needs to be solved, but doing it by being stuck forever on one company's platform because they're severely anti-competitive is just stupid.

    4. Re:... and the EULA for the authoring tool... by v1 · · Score: 2

      But don't the colleges already have you locked in? "Buy this and this and this for the courses you've signed up for this semester". OK, what are your options? You buy this and this and this. There is no choice other than trying to get your hands on something used. There is no shopping around. At least iBooks is cheaper. It's also a heck of a lot easier to carry to class. And how can you possibly argue with [i]searchable[/i]? There are so many advantages over dead trees it's almost magical.

      (and I was just reading a thread earlier where some twit was arguing that you couldn't sell the book back... ok then, so you can rent an iBook for $30 for the semester, or you can BUY the book for $230, and the book store will give you $55 for it at the end of the semester. Oh that's so much better! hope he's not trying for a math major. Back in the 90's I never made it out of the book store any lighter than $400 a semester, even after reselling (essentially giving away) my books)

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    5. Re:... and the EULA for the authoring tool... by DragonWriter · · Score: 2

      Very little of that is relevant if it reduces the student's final book costs by 70%. I'll happily give Apple their book lock-in all day long if it saves me a few grand on textbooks. Wouldn't you?

      As a consumer, no. A significant portion of the value of a textbook, to me, is that I can keep it for life and use it as a reference, let other people borrow it, and, heck, pass it on to the next generation. (Certainly, when I was young, I spent a lot of time with my Dad's old text books.)

      DRM-free, open-format digital textbooks would be nice to have, but DRM-laden (as I expect most will be), not-quite-standard-format textbooks lose a lot more than 70% of the value of physical textbooks for me.

      anyone that's had to pay their own college bills knows books are a complete racket

      And a platform-specific format one of whose major selling points to publishers is support for restrictive DRM is going to make this market less of a racket?

    6. Re:... and the EULA for the authoring tool... by Microlith · · Score: 2

      But don't the colleges already have you locked in?

      I can always change colleges. And changing colleges does not negate the contents of the book, whereas I cannot access the contents of an Apple-dependent iBook from another platform (at least, not without bending over backwards.)

      There is no choice other than trying to get your hands on something used.

      A less known option is to buy the international version of some books, same content but a fraction of the price.

      At least iBooks is cheaper. It's also a heck of a lot easier to carry to class. And how can you possibly argue with [i]searchable[/i]? There are so many advantages over dead trees it's almost magical.

      None of which are in any way an Apple exclusive feature.

      or you can BUY the book for $230, and the book store will give you $55 for it at the end of the semester.

      Or you can pay your friend more than the store will, and get more mileage out of it. I don't recall books turning over that fast or costing so much, but then I didn't go to a wildly overpriced university. And in any case, you can always keep the book (I still own most of mine.)

      But you're bitching about one point (cost of books) while trying to defend another (lock-in to Apple's platform.)

    7. Re:... and the EULA for the authoring tool... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But don't the colleges already have you locked in? "Buy this and this and this for the courses you've signed up for this semester".

      Now it's "Buy this and this and this, but you'll also need an ipad and those 'books' are tied to it and can't be used on any other platform." It's not like Apple has invented the ebook here, they're just trying to popularize the platform-specific ebook. Don't want an ipad? Too bad. They could have done it with an open format, or published their format, but of course that wouldn't allow them the lock-in they get with a closed format to which only their software can read and write...oh and for that software you need to buy their hardware.

    8. Re:... and the EULA for the authoring tool... by ohnocitizen · · Score: 2

      Very little of that is relevant if it reduces the student's final book costs by 70%. I'll happily give Apple their book lock-in all day long if it saves me a few grand on textbooks. Wouldn't you?

      Hell no. It would require my students to have apple hardware and software. That places a needless financial and technological limit on my students. I do however see a market vulnerability here. Apple wants to replace the textbook cartel lock-in with their own lock-in. A reasonably priced service/app for authors that allows the flexibility they deny could do very well. Especially since (at the college level at least) students are happy to make waves and protest exploitation. An enterprising organization could seize the upper hand and compete on cost, flexibility, and ethics.

    9. Re:... and the EULA for the authoring tool... by MrMickS · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All of the many complaints about the 30% that Apple take for selling through their store are indignation based on ignorance of retail practices, this includes Pete Townsend. The publisher love that Apple only charge 30% because its far less than a normal retail channel. The publishers get more per sale electronically than they would selling physical books.

      To answer your second point did you watch the announcement or are you just letting your predjudice define your opinions. One of the most interesting parts of the announcement was that these books would be updated, for free, meaning that you would always have the latest version. I'm still getting updates to app purchases I made on my iPhone 3 years ago. There is no reason why this wouldn't be the case for textbooks.

      On your final point, rather than getting all high and mighty about it, just think about it. Why do you sell back your expensive textbooks? Partly because they are expensive. If they are cheap enough that you don't have to sell them back wouldn't it make sense to keep the book? I guess it depends on your view of education and knowledge. I view it as a life skill, something that you add to from year to year.

      In general your post, and its rating, are why I've stopped look at Slashdot as a place to influence my opinion. It is filled with small minded opinion based on the status quo. I thought as geeks we were supposed to embrace change and look to the future. As with a lot in the world it seems that this happens less and less as the years go by.

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    10. Re:... and the EULA for the authoring tool... by macs4all · · Score: 2

      And it costs you $100-$150 to even sell a book. you have to buy a ISBN number. So every book title you sell is $100 cash out of your pocket.

      Do ebooks sold in the Apple Store have to have ISBN numbers?

      And I don't see any of the people who are whining about "lock-in" and "profiteering" bitching about things like the UPC and ISBN Cartels, who have taken the maintenance of a simple database and turned it into an industry-wide lock-in which, much like the proverbial "Mark of the Beast" none shall trade without paying the UPC/ISBN "toll".

      Yet, Apple is vilified for taking the cost of a textbook down to a fraction of its usual cost, while simultaneously creating a format that has far more flexibility than epub, while simultaneously releasing a way-best-of-breed authoring tool for free (yes, it helps the overall bit, but they could have charged SOMETHING for it).

      Why don't you spend your vitriol on changing the planet such that it doesn't cost $750 to get a UPC code (yes, I know about "code-sharing", but that won't get you into WalMart or Kroger and probably some other retailers), or even $100 for an ISBN code (Really! $100?!? For a fucking DATABASE RECORD???).

      No, instead you'd rather rail on Apple for making textbooks not only MUCH better than any of us grew up with; but also $15, max, instead of "whatever-they-think-they-can-get" of the dead-tree mongers.

  5. What platform? by markdavis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So how does this "iBooks 2" work on non-iOS devices? Android? Linux? MS-Windows?

    I have nothing against digital books, but if they are going to be locked up on a single platform, this is not a good thing (especially for educational uses).

    1. Re:What platform? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      The iBook format is a "modified" version of ePub. I don't know how modified, exactly. Calibre did not seem to have any trouble reading one, once the file extension was changed from ".ibook" to ".epub".

    2. Re:What platform? by hedwards · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I did a quick search and apparently the iBook format uses a proprietary CSS which makes it not entirely compatible between itself and ePub.

    3. Re:What platform? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      What if your paper textbook could only be carried in a Dawsons Creek Ultra Futura 2000 rucksack, and nothing else? That's what we're talking about here. Want an education? Ipad required...

      Apple are a business, and free to build in as much lock-in on their platforms as they please. I am hoping that we will see competing solutions, and open ones would be even better, but with Apple offering authors an easy way to publish with a bigger slice of the profits, I fear we may see the Apple platform established as a de facto standard in education before competing standards have emerged,

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  6. Every student forced to buy Apple by grege1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Great, too bad if you are poor, no more textbooks for you. No iPad no education. There is no merit in this kind of lock in.

    1. Re:Every student forced to buy Apple by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah because we all know that Textbooks are free.

      Oh wait, $790.00 in text books last semester alone for my wife. That's an Ipad and 5 textbooks in ibook form.

      Or did you fail in a epic way and not read that ibook textbooks are price capped at $16.00

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  7. What?! by ichthus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Physical textbooks lack portability, durability, accessibility, consistent quality, interactivity and searchability, and they're not environmentally friendly."

    They lack... portability? Ok, if you have to carry 5 of them around, I see your point.
    Durability? Like, when I spill coffee on mine? Or, drop it? Or, draw mustaches on the people in it?
    Accessibility? .... ok, you win.
    Consistent quality? So, you're going to GUARANTEE consistent content quality in eBooks?
    And, of course, the ebook argument wins on searchability. But let's face it, an Index/TOC is practically just as good. Unless you're searching for absolutely every occurrence of a specific word, a good index is just as good.

    But, are we really going to argue that iPads are more environmentally friendly than text books? That would be an interesting discussion.

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    1. Re:What?! by Quirkz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was going to say the same thing. They're really stretching with some of those claims, and cleverly neglecting some other aspects, like physical books don't crash or get data corruption, rarely get completely destroyed if you drop them or step on them, and until e-readers get a little more oomph I think traditional books are still easier to flip through rapidly.

    2. Re:What?! by revscat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Durability? Like, when I spill coffee on mine? Or, drop it? Or, draw mustaches on the people in it?

      Anecdotally, I have heard students complain that book publishers have recently introduced a different kind of glue for the books' bindings, one which degrades rather quickly, over a year or so.

      A quick search isn't turning up anything about this, but I have heard it enough over the past year or so to give it some credence. Perhaps others on /. who currently are students can share their experiences in this regard.

  8. Aaaand the point of textbooks is completely missed by Freestyling · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Physical textbooks lack portability, durability, accessibility, consistent quality, interactivity and searchability, and they're not environmentally friendly."

    For me studying physics every day the e-textbook is still years away from being useful. I can agree with the portability argument but thats about it. I can, with a real, physical textbook have the following advantages over an iTextBook however:

    - drop a textbook without breaking it, and even if I damage it I can still use it, not wait for my insurer to maybe replace it because the screen shattered

    - flick open at the index and quickly find what I want, and flick back and forth between sticky marked pages, and generally navigate a real book a lot faster

    - have several books open on my desk at once - rather a necessity for any scientist

    - be sure that the textbook I have bought is decent, well edited, well peer reviewed and correct, because it came from an internationally renowned publisher not "#physicsgeek78695#", as Apple seem to want to make the e-textbook market the same as the Android App Store

    - keep a real book if I decide to change my computer manufacturer, phone, name, credit card number etc.

    - Be sure that my textbook, while murdering some tree somewhere and not being 100% green and hippy, did not cause several factory workers to jump to their deaths, add to the toll of heavy metal pollution in east asian watercourses, or pad the coffers of Apple in preference to the Authors who sweated over the book. Odds are Apple will take a bigger cut than conventional publishers, because brand power means they can.

    Just my $0.02

  9. Environmentally friendly? by DogDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Book: Grow tree. Create paper. Use for a hundred years or so. Paper rots. Repeat.

    iGadget: Mine toxic heavy metals. Make gadget with slave labor that last for a few years. Burn electricity to use gadget. Throw gadget in landfill when done. Repeat.

    I think I'll stick with real books, thanks.

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  10. Re:What Apple will be remembered for by toolo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And what precedent in history have you seen that would make you believe this?

    They will still be overpriced, locked into the walled garden and the secondary market will be eradicated. Thinking otherwise is just falling into the trap that has already been laid with other eBooks.

    Win for publisher, fail for students. Apple is just a profit machine for content creators and evidently there are a lot of suckers who believe otherwise.

  11. 90,000 downloaders does not = 90,000 authors! by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If they're anything like me, they downloaded the Author application, played with and saved a test "publication", then tossed the application into the shitcan with all the other applications that save only to proprietary venues/formats.

    Author will save only to ".ibook" (a modified version of ".epub"), a crippled .pdf, or .txt (the latter without any graphics, of course). And it will not "publish" to anything but Apple's store for use on iPhones and iPads.

    I have no use for such lock-in, proprietary bullshit. I'll publish my work in a .PDF instead. Sure, it will get "illegally shared" some, but as far as I am concerned that is still better than this. And there are ways to help prevent that, too.

    1. Re:90,000 downloaders does not = 90,000 authors! by Nerdfest · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For any publicly funded institution, it should not be legal to lock into a proprietary format and platform where an open one exists. Unfortunately, Apple targets schools with lots of freebies and advertising, so I think the future is looking a little bleak.

  12. The summary is a rip off by wjcofkc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a bit of an apple fan boy and am all for promoting them but could you please do better than directly quoting verbatim their own promotional material in the summary?

    example:
    "...there is very little merit to the physical textbook, and the education industry has been waiting for a viable solution like this for some time. Physical textbooks lack portability, durability, accessibility, consistent quality, interactivity and searchability, and they're not environmentally friendly"

    Seriously, go to apples website and watch their promo video (it actually is pretty cool) You will find that the summary was largely directly lifted. Are you trying to use these as your own words? They are not used in the story so...

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    1. Re:The summary is a rip off by binarstu · · Score: 2

      The parent is right on. The entire article reads like little more than a big advertisement for Apple. Here's a small sample.

      "...there is very little merit to the physical textbook, and the education industry has been waiting for a viable solution like this for some time."
      Says who? No evidence is provided to substantiate either of these claims, other than a few quotes from "a teacher" taken from an Apple promotional video(!).

      "Now that there's a device that can trump the textbook in every way -- the iPad -- it's possible for us to enjoy textbooks the way they were meant to be..."
      What about the iPad is the major breakthrough that uniquely positions it to "trump the textbook"? Again, nothing substantive in the article about this.

      "...it's incredible that nobody had attempted to digitize textbooks before."
      That would be incredible, if it were true. How long has Amazon been selling textbooks for their Kindle, as just one example?

      This could go on and on, but you get the point. This iArticle is total garbage and should have never been front page material on Slashdot.

  13. Need to Read about Feynman on Textbooks by djl4570 · · Score: 2
  14. Paper Books != Meritless by idontgno · · Score: 4, Funny

    "there is very little merit to the physical textbook"

    ...it is impossible to separate a cube into two cubes, or a fourth power into two fourth powers, or in general, any power higher than the second, into two like powers. I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this read-only ebook will not permit me to record.

    --Pierre de Fermat

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  15. Speaking of not mentioning...oh hell, I will by RobinEggs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Irregardless isn't a word. Bonus points for using it while complaining about writing textbooks.

    1. Re:Speaking of not mentioning...oh hell, I will by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless

    2. Re:Speaking of not mentioning...oh hell, I will by Bucky24 · · Score: 2

      Irregardless is absolutely a word. How the hell did something this ignorant get +5 anything?

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    3. Re:Speaking of not mentioning...oh hell, I will by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps this is why text books are updated. English is a fluid language and changes over time, http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Irregardless&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a, 2,070,000 results, quite significant for a non-word.

      Just straight shifting text books to computers is pretty pointless. The real idea is to create interactive tutorials and simulations backed up with reference material, typically reports covering specific subjects within a body of work that covers the topic. This more readily allows far broader input into the topic and avoids having thousands of text books covering the exact same material, in pretty much the same manner, with the only difference being the prejudices of the instructors.

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    4. Re:Speaking of not mentioning...oh hell, I will by Zadaz · · Score: 4, Funny

      He means "disirregardless".

    5. Re:Speaking of not mentioning...oh hell, I will by Capsaicin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Irregardless is absolutely a word.

      Very true, and it would be confrugulous to add the every neologism has that irredufable claim. Irrespective and regardless (sorry, I mean 'irregardless') of wissent the constambulantient grammar nazi's think!

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    6. Re:Speaking of not mentioning...oh hell, I will by Yoda's+Mum · · Score: 2

      That's because it's also a word.

    7. Re:Speaking of not mentioning...oh hell, I will by jc42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's because [ain't]'s also a word.

      It's an especially fun example of the futility of this sort of "peevery", since the peevers' campaign against "ain't" has had the effect of increasing its use.

      The original use of "ain't" many centuries ago was as the contraction for "am not". Now, you might wonder how "am"+"not" gives "ain't", and one answer is that it's the same process that turned "will"+"not" into "won't", which is every bit as silly. Human languages do silly things like that all the time. But the peevers don't seem to rant about "won't"; they only declared a pogrom against "ain't". And the result has been that the common speech in many dialects now also use "ain't" as the contraction for "is"+"not" and "are"+"not". It has become the general negative for all present tense forms of "be".

      But really, we should probably let the language peevers have their fun. At least they're not rounding up the ain't-sayers and burning them at the stake. They're just posting peeves in discussions like this, because to them the war against their favorite banned contraction is more important than, say, massive increases in availability and decreases in price for educational textboooks.

      Some people just have different value scales than the rest of us.

      I wonder if any of the newly-available electronic textbooks include linguistically valid histories or grammars of the English language?

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      Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
    8. Re:Speaking of not mentioning...oh hell, I will by Missing.Matter · · Score: 2

      It's a word insofar as people say it... but they're confused. They're mixing up irrespective and regardless. The prefix ir- serves to negate the following word. The word the GP was looking for was just regardless, but he ended up saying the opposite.

    9. Re:Speaking of not mentioning...oh hell, I will by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Funny

      Betcha peevers ain't a real word neither.

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      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
    10. Re:Speaking of not mentioning...oh hell, I will by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm going to have to find ways to use it ...

      Use it?

      I think I've been there - it's a town in Wales.

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      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
    11. Re:Speaking of not mentioning...oh hell, I will by somersault · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course it's a word. You can add all sorts of prefixes and suffixes to existing words, and they will still be "real" words.

      The problem here is that the word actually means the opposite of what the guy wanted to say.

      It's the same as all those idiots who say "I could give a [thing]" instead of "I couldn't give a [thing]" when they are trying to imply they don't care.

      They're not actually thinking about the words they're saying - they're just repeating a bunch of syllables that they've heard (or misheard) from someone else.

      I saw a thread about "ain't" below. I have no problem with contractions, and don't see why anybody should. They're adding to the language in a logical manner, rather than watering it down by rendering standard prefixes and suffixes meaningless.

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      which is totally what she said
  16. Re:The customer is the university..... by WCLPeter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So until the University recommends those e-books, which they won't, it don't mean squat.

    It doesn't matter if the University recommends them or not because prior to this announcement if I wanted to learn University Level Physics I had to spend $250 bucks on the textbook, now I can buy a comparable textbook from iBooks for $15.00 and receive information updates for the life of that edition.

    Whether its a big deal in schools or not, though I really have a feeling this will be huge in the K-12 market, my desire to learn something isn't tied to expensive textbooks anymore. This is a good thing.

  17. Can I resell them? by phalse+phace · · Score: 2

    What I want to know is if I can resell the digital textbook once I'm done with it like with a paper-based textbook. It's one way to help offset the price of the next textbook I might buy, but knowing Apple probably not.

    1. Re:Can I resell them? by whisper_jeff · · Score: 2

      No but instead of paying a hundred dollars or more for the book you're paying _at most_ $15 for the iBook edition.

      Now, that book you bought that you're able to resell - how much are you selling it for? I'm willing to bet you're not selling it for $15 below the price you paid for it which means the iBook costs less, even though you can't resell. You are out-of-pocket less money _and_ you get to keep the book.

    2. Re:Can I resell them? by MartinSchou · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Where can you buy other things distributed digitally (like music, movies and games), that you are allowed to resell later?

      This isn't an Apple issue. Well, it is an issue that includes Apple, but to put it forward as if only Apple only does this is disingenuous.

      Can you resell your Kindle ebooks?
      Can you resell your Steam games?
      Your Amazon music?
      Apps you've bought on Android store?

  18. As a university professor, I've taken a look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's very attractive in theory, but when I look at the license agreement I'm not sure I can go with it (About iBooks Author->License Agreement). If I use these tools and charge a fee I *have* to distribute the book through Apple. I understand the rationale. Why should the tool be free if I can turn around and distribute it somewhere else? It's only fair for Apple to expect something in return.

    On the other hand I'm picturing what would happen if I put a few months work into a text, it becomes popular/useful to others, and then someone asks if other arrangements can be made for distribution (e.g., maybe someone wants to make and sell a regular paper edition). I'm stuck if I ever charged money for it.

    Granted, the restriction only exists if you charge a fee. If the text is free "you may distribute the Work by any available means". This part is awesome! Full kudos to Apple for that and for making the agreement relatively simple. But what if I wanted to charge, say, $5 a textbook to help cover costs of its development and maintenance? Nothing substantial, but covering things like hiring a student to do drafting of figures, preparing photos, editing, that sort of thing. This would be publishing on the cheap rather than completely free. Unfortunately once you cross into the "fee" realm at all, you've made a deal for sole distribution with Apple, and it isn't clear whether there is any alternative.

    Thus, as much as I like it, I hesitate, because I'm not certain I want to distribute my work for free rather than very cheap compared to the usual textbook. Maybe this is Apple's way to encourage people to write free works. If so, then I applaud their approach. I'm just not sure it is the way I want to go. At least with licenses like the GPL I have the *option* to charge money without having further license complications.

    You're probably all thinking I'm a stingy old !#$%!% now :-)

    1. Re:As a university professor, I've taken a look by throbber · · Score: 2

      Playing devils advocate here .... but ......

      If you use the GPL as your distribution license for a book.......you would have to give away the Word ... LaTex ...(pick format).... for your book and you can't stop me distibuting derivative works as long as I give you, or make available, my derivations. That's gotta suck for your income! Selling a support contact for a book has gotta be hard work!

      Unless, of course, a bibliography counts as 'source' for a textbook.

    2. Re:As a university professor, I've taken a look by whisper_jeff · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...if I put a few months work into a text, it becomes popular/useful to others, and then someone asks if other arrangements can be made for distribution (e.g., maybe someone wants to make and sell a regular paper edition). I'm stuck if I ever charged money for it.

      No. You're not. You're misunderstanding the license restriction. The .ibooks file that iBooks Author creates can only be distributed through Apple. The book can be distributed any way you want. If you make a .ibooks file and sell it through Apple and garner some interest for a print version or a Kindle version or whatever, all you need to do is transfer the information to the new format and you can sell it.

      The restriction applies to the _file_ that iBooks Author creates, not the book that you write. And, given that Apple is the only company to publish software that can (currently) read a .ibooks file, that is a reasonable restriction.

      The key reason for the restriction is so that, should someone (such as a Cydia developer) create a program that can read .ibooks files, you cannot sell the .ibooks files created with iBooks Author on that store.

  19. Re:What Apple will be remembered for by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Funny

    "But what happens when I want to go to school with my Galaxy Tab, and I'm told that I can't get my "digital textbooks" because they're not supported on my device?"

    The rest of your students don their white robes point at you and emit a screetching sound that penetrates your soul. as you run down the hallway you hear chants from the other students of ...."join us, be one of us...join us...."

    That is pretty much what happens.

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    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  20. HOLY LOAD OF BULLSHIT BATMAN! by Khyber · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Physical textbooks lack portability, durability, accessibility, consistent quality, interactivity and searchability, and they're not environmentally friendly.""

    Portability: I could carry my entire year in my backpack.

    Durability: Yea, that little piece of silicon you're holding is just as susceptible to fire, heat, water, OH AND CRASHING. Books aren't crashing. Books don't need an expensive proprietary OS to work, they truly 'just work.'

    Accessibility/interactivity/searching: Most books meant for rapid searching/accessibility have both indexes and a table of contents - TWO SEARCH ENGINES! IMAGINE THAT!

    Consistent Quality: Books don't need software updates, and aren't prone to getting hacked. Revisions do happen, but they're few and far between because of TRUE quality control.

    Environmentally Friendly: They're more environmentally friendly (and trap lots more carbon) than your strip-mined piece of silicon, iridium, cadmium, etc. Takes less energy to manufacture, too!

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    Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  21. durability? by Khashishi · · Score: 2

    I can throw a book across the room and it might damage the cover of a hardcover, but it will still work fine. I wouldn't want to try this with an ipad or a kindle. Under reasonable storage conditions, paper will remain readable after magnetic platters have gotten demagnetized and CDs have corroded.

  22. Only freshmen carry 5 by Chemisor · · Score: 2

    College students eventually figure out that it is completely unnecessary to carry textbooks to class. It does, however, take time, so most go through the same progression: freshmen carry EVERYTHING and need to wear both straps of their backpack. Sophomores lighten the load and can use just one strap. Juniors carry a notebook. Seniors carry beer.

  23. Re:I beg to differ by artor3 · · Score: 2

    Define soaked. If we're talking about complete submersion for an extended time, obviously that will destroy a paper book. But if we're talking about spilling a drink on it, a book can easily survive that (maybe a couple pages get ruined at most) where as an electronic device can easily be wrecked.

    And books have no problem surviving being carried around for years. I dunno what books you're using, but I have several textbooks that I purchased used, carried around, and still own to this day. They're a bit beat-up, and the binding to the cover has gotten rather loose, but they are still entirely usable. By contrast, the laptop that I got around the same time has long since passed away. In ten years, those textbooks will still be with me. I'd be amazed if my Kindle was still running by then.

  24. Re:What Apple will be remembered for by gmhowell · · Score: 2

    "But what happens when I want to go to school with my Galaxy Tab, and I'm told that I can't get my "digital textbooks" because they're not supported on my device?"

    The rest of your students don their white robes point at you and emit a screetching sound that penetrates your soul.

    Like this?

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    Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon