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Federal Judges Wary of Facebook, Twitter Impact On Juries

coondoggie writes "The impact of social media such as Twitter, Facebook and Google+ and others on federal juries is a concern that judges are frequently taking steps to curb. According to a study 94% of the 508 federal judges who responded said they have specifically barred jurors from any case-connected use of social media."

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  1. I for one think its about damn time... by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Funny

    to start crowdsourcing juries, I mean why bother having 12 people show up ina room when you got half the country saying hes guilty before the trial starts on facebook!

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    1. Re:I for one think its about damn time... by mr1911 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not sure if sentence!

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    2. Re:I for one think its about damn time... by FrYGuY101 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes! In fact, let's give Nancy Grace sovereign power over each human to decide if they should live or die right now!

      I think you have that backwards... we should give every human sovereign power to decide if Nancy Grace should live or die right now...

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    3. Re:I for one think its about damn time... by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, because then we'd have to vote, and it would take months to count up them all up.

      But actually, Nancy Grace is one of those people that just makes me mad thinking about it. She symbolizes what's completely broken with CNN Headline News by being a loud obnoxious talking head that prattles on endlessly about unimportant stuff. She also symbolizes what's completely broken about prosecutors: everyone is assumed guilty by default and it's more important to keep the public outraged or frightened than to get at the truth. The only good thing about Nancy Grace is that she's no longer a practicing prosecutor.

      It's CNN damn it, I want to see NEWS when I switch the channel to HEADLINE NEWS not some hysteria about Caylee.

  2. Stick to Playing Angry Birds When On The Jury by RapidEye · · Score: 2

    Or better yet, hangman on your iPhone with the cute guy/gal sitting next to you in the jury box.
    Better than Facebook anyway!

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  3. Cluelessness is limitless. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IMO rules about this sort of thing fall into the category of "people really shouldn't need to be told".

    When you participate on a jury, you are prohibited from communicating anything related to the case with anybody outside of the jury deliberation chambers. End of story. Whether you communicate the information face-to-face, via e-mail, or through Facebook or Twitter really shouldn't matter.

    But of course there are idiots throughout society, so multiple, redundant rules need to be enacted to try and prevent problems.

    1. Re:Cluelessness is limitless. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But of course there are idiots throughout society, so multiple, redundant rules need to be enacted to try and prevent problems.

      They're especially common on juries. All the smart people I knew get kicked out by the lawyers who want to be the ones in control.

    2. Re:Cluelessness is limitless. by icebike · · Score: 2

      In my experience, the smart ones are the least likely to try to avoid Jury duty, and the ones
      who are merely smart-asses, are the most likely to do so.

      I've sat thru a lot of jury voir dire processes, and have never seen people excused for being merely intelligent, educated, or well read.
      I've seen news junkies dismissed simply because they had too much prior knowledge of the case, and have been dismissed myself for
      being personal friends with the lawyers involved.

      The TV/Movie drama of jury consultants carefully hand picking juries just doesn't work in most cases because each side has a limited number of challenges, and there has to be huge money riding on the trial before its even worth the cost. Quite frankly, from what I have read, these consultants have a less than stellar record of success, and once it becomes clear to the jury that they were hand picked by high paid suits they are as likely to view that as a sign of guilt as any thing else.

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  4. Self-restraint and following the rules by CorporalKlinger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Being a juror stinks - I think most everyone agrees on that. But the rationale behind restrictions like this makes sense: communication about the case outside the courtroom may result in a juror's opinion being changed by friends, family, Facebook contacts, etc.

    It's hard for some people to slow down and refrain from tweeting of Facebook posting every last thing they do every day... but I'm sure we'd all appreciate a fair trial without undue influence from bystanders who don't know all of the facts if we ever find ourselves seated at the defendant's table one day...

    This is one time when following the rules can have enormous consequences. Far too many people see jury duty as a joke, or otherwise don't follow the rules in other areas of their life (parking in handicapped spots to run into the store for "just a minute," taking things from work because "nobody will miss it") and this transfers to abiding by the rules set forth by the judge at trial. It's a joke for some people - and that's just disrespectful.

    1. Re:Self-restraint and following the rules by hedwards · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're telling me. I was on a jury once for a month. The court staff and judge were all super nice as long as we followed the rules and held up our end, but it's tiring and time consuming under the best of situations. You spend 4 days a week going back and forth between trial and hanging out in a room with a group of people you have only one thing in common with. And that one thing you have in common you're not allowed to talk about until deliberations.

      It wasn't really that miserable, but I can definitely understand why people would be on FB there if they're on FB normally.

      The handicap spots I kind of understand, I don't park in those ever, but I can understand people being frustrated having to park a block away when there's not just one or two handicap spots going unused.

    2. Re:Self-restraint and following the rules by mr1911 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but I can understand people being frustrated having to park a block away when there's not just one or two handicap spots going unused.

      Imagine the frustration of being handicapped and having to park a block away when some douche is taking up the limited handicapped spaces.

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    3. Re:Self-restraint and following the rules by BenLeeImp · · Score: 3, Informative

      They probably think they are Judges, and are telling you how the court works.

    4. Re:Self-restraint and following the rules by xstonedogx · · Score: 2

      In that situation, I always talk about sex. After all, everyone likes sex, so we have that in common.

    5. Re:Self-restraint and following the rules by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      Imagine the frustration of being handicapped and having to park a block away when some douche is taking up the limited handicapped spaces.

      Imagine the frustration of there being NO parking spaces except the empty handicapped spots, and the handicapped spots are empty because the Uni has given handicapped people privately reserved spaces carved out of nearby normal spaces.

    6. Re:Self-restraint and following the rules by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The handicap spots I kind of understand, I don't park in those ever, but I can understand people being frustrated having to park a block away when there's not just one or two handicap spots going unused.

      Try getting a quadraplegic in an electric wheel chair out of a van in the winter when some asshole decided it would be more convenient if he took the handicap space.

      I have done this, and it's hugely difficult. An electric wheel chair weighs something like 250-300 pounds, so getting one unstuck is a hell of a job.

      So, in my experience, parking in the disabled spot when you're not supposed to is being a douche. Right up there with the people who park in the no parking zone in front of stores so they can wait for their spouse to run in quickly ... nobody else cares, and you're blocking traffic.

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    7. Re:Self-restraint and following the rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      oddly enough, as someone who is able to walk a few blocks without too much difficulty, i cannot actually imagine the frustration in your scenario.

    8. Re:Self-restraint and following the rules by s.petry · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I showed up for Jury duty in Michigan as I am required every day at 9AM for a week. Every day the lawyers would visually inspect us and relieve the ones they did not want. Everyone that brought a book was dismissed. Those that were smart enough to figure out that "reading" will get you dismissed started bringing in books about mid week. It was really the same people over and over again on every jury, those not bright enough to correlate some very basic information.

      Sadly, in our legal methods of jury stacking, that's exactly what each side wants.

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    9. Re:Self-restraint and following the rules by hedwards · · Score: 3, Funny

      God I hope you're never on a rape jury.

    10. Re:Self-restraint and following the rules by mattack2 · · Score: 2

      Don't most people still get paid while on jury duty? I thought at least for "white collar" (my T-shirt has no collar!) jobs, that was typical.

  5. Cluelessness is limitless. by NoahsMyBro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    (reposting, as myself.)

    IMO rules about this sort of thing fall into the category of "people really shouldn't need to be told".

    When you participate on a jury, you are prohibited from communicating anything related to the case with anybody outside of the jury deliberation chambers. End of story. Whether you communicate the information face-to-face, via e-mail, or through Facebook or Twitter really shouldn't matter.

    But of course there are idiots throughout society, so multiple, redundant rules need to be enacted to try and prevent problems.

  6. This is a non-story by SirGarlon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't see why social media should be treated differently than any other media with respect to jurors. It's simple: don't expose yourself to prejudicial opinions or information. Adding "social media" to the list of sources that can contaminate a jury just shows that judges know their business. Nothing to see here, move along.

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  7. so.... by uncanny · · Score: 3, Funny

    google+ has an impact on something? this is news!

  8. Already happned in England by augustw · · Score: 4, Informative

    In England, a juror was jailed last year for communicating with an acquitted defendant on Facebook: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jun/16/facebook-juror-jailed-for-eight-months

    And another was jailed last week for researching the defendant on the internet generally: http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/jan/23/juror-contempt-court-online-research

  9. Re:Was in jury duty. by desdinova+216 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know, at times it borders on anti-social

  10. Re:What about threats? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2

    Then you report it, immediately. No different than a phone call at home, or a 'visit' by some friendly guy on a Saturday afternoon.

    Report it, and let the judge/prosecution/defense work it out.

  11. Re:Same rules as always by Johann+Lau · · Score: 2

    with facebook that's a bit like saying 'don't answer the telephone' - a lot of peoples lives are connected via facebook messages rather than e-mail or the like.

    oh, boo-hoo.... dunno, I personally find the idea that such tools would sit jury over the fate of another human being fucking disgusting, anyway.

  12. Re:fuck the judges and their rules by icebike · · Score: 2

    Judges in the US quit representing the rights of people a LONG time ago.

    All they do is screw you if you aren't rich or powerful, and let you slide if you are.

    The only people who still respect the system in the US are naive fools who have
    no idea how quickly the system will turn on them if it suits the needs of those in power.

    Judges were never supposed to represent the rights of people. Nor the rights of the state.
    They are there to be impartial and enforce the rules of the court to assure the fairest possible trial.

    You sound like someone who has had his bail revoked once too many times.

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  13. Re:fuck the judges and their rules by BenLeeImp · · Score: 3, Informative

    While I understand your cynicism, I believe it to be a bit misplaced in this instance. These rules are to protect the rights of the people. Specifically, the defendant.

    Also, I don't believe the situation to be quite so hopeless as you put forth. When I last served on a jury, I was picked to be the "extra guy" (unsure of the proper term), so I didn't get to join in deliberations. Instead, the judge called me into his chambers. I felt this was a bit odd, but he just wanted to talk about my jury duty experience, and any way they could try and make it better for the jurors. He (and I suspect most other court staff) was well aware of the generally negative perception of Jury duty, and wanted to try and help fix that. That concern was genuine, and not required of him in any capacity.

    I have never spoken to another judge in the same manner, so I have but one data point to give, but its a very promising and hopeful data point. I think it has a little smiley face on it, actually.

  14. Re:Notify juries of their rights of NULLIFICATION by roman_mir · · Score: 2

    Repeal is another side of it, but here is what everybody should understand - the moral thing to do is this: when presented with any law that concerns an individual and the government on the opposite sides, always immediately assume that the government is wrong, and always strike down the law.

    Always break the law where it concerns individual vs government, always pay no taxes where you can and try to pay no taxes where the government says you must. Avoid giving any money to the government, avoid agreeing with government on anything always.

    Basically the only moral thing to do is always to put the individual above the government. Government is always wrong and the individual is always right.

    As to laws that are related to entities that have nothing to do with the government, that is a different story, there it's basically - do no harm.

  15. Re:Was in jury duty. by Ihmhi · · Score: 2

    I know, at times it borders on anti-social

    Fuck you, you dick-sucking commie-nazi-hippie!