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New Privacy Laws Could Boost EU Cloud Industry
sweetpea86 writes "Cloud providers based in the European market could turn the fear, uncertainty and doubt around data protection and the U.S. Patriot Act to their advantage, according to Andy Burton, chairman of the Cloud Industry Forum. The only way that European companies can absolutely guarantee that their data doesn't end up in the hands of U.S. authorities is by choosing a provider that not only has a data centre within their jurisdiction, but is also owned by an organisation based in that jurisdiction."
considered a safe harbour from the US Patriot Act?
My thoughts exactly. Now who can help me start up such a business. I am proficient on the technical side but my commercial talents are none existent.
...not a lapdog, bosom buddy US ally or wannabe government.
For example one european university did not adopt Google for student email as G could not guarantee that the data won't leave EU.
Now we have Exchange :-( but recently got Dovecot imap proxy front of it so I can use standards compliant software.
Parent's Link is a virus. Do not click it.
See? See?!? Responsible, consumer-friendly legislation doesn't have to be anti-business.
We've got this thing in my country with the one political party saying that they're pro-consumer and trying to push laws that limit corporate abuses, and the other party saying that they're pro-business and trying to squash anything that would reduce corporate size and influence with the claim that it's necessary for jobs, the economy, etc. Well bullshit. Some consumer-friendly legislation may be anti-established business, but that's not a negative, just thinning the herd. Get rid of the sick and bring on the new.
My employer (a university) decided to outsource the e-mail-facilities for students. Microsoft and Google both made compelling offers, however Google could not promise that our data would never leave Europe. Microsoft did make that promise and was awarded the contract because of it.
A few months later MS had to confess that they couldn't keep that promiss. As the migration was not going smooth at all we are now back talking with Google.
Sweet lord .. i been tellin geveryone for the past 4 years that we need european versions of facebook and al .. but your data dpont end up at the FBI and other
because the data protection laws are better in the EU . not only that
US spying agencies.
The day we got a EU based social net like facebook ill be lining up for it .. start leading the bandwagon .. we NEED you !
Im tired of the US bullying and spying everyone when all we need is a place to be left alone in peace.
Come on Europe
ric
So can anyone list a EU-based provider I can use?
Not all nations in this world kow tow to the mighty Uncle Sam, you know?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
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They may look cute, but they have mobile armour and howitzers. It's pretty hard-core stuff.
The only truly private cloud is the one you own, manage and host yourself. For most users this is of course not feasible; they lack the knowledge, time and inclination to set one up. For us tech types however it's getting to the feasible stage.
We have all seen the news about the Raspberry Pi, a dirt cheap mini computer that can run on a handful of AA batterys. Take a linux distro of your choice which runs on the Raspberry Pi, add some lovely open source software like Zarafa, sprinkle lightly with a dynamic DNS and bake for however long you want in a cool Raspberry Pi. Serves an entire household (or more).
For that extra security flavour you can garnish with an OpenVPN connection, and deny all other incomming traffic.
Et voila! Mobile, web accessable email, contacts and calendar (plus whatever else you want to set up on there) with the data being on your machine and in your control.
With Barosso in power in the EU Commission? No way will EU Cloud providers benefit! USA will simply ask Barosso for warrant/evidence free access to the data and he'll hand it over, just like he did with SWIFT banking data.
Tell me I'm wrong here. He simply pretended he wanted a strong response, so he could get control of the issue, then he promptly signs over a one way transfer of banking data to the USA!
And ACTA's the same story, it will be pushed through on a subcommittee of the EU Parliament, just like the SWIFT data thing was. Divide and conquer, so many little middle management leaders, its easy to undermine Europe.
The privacy thing means nothing, because push comes to shove, the US will just find an EU leadership channel to permit whatever data grab they want.
Not that I believe that servers and organizations based in the EU are 'safe' from our (US) recent tactics of policing the world, however, IF this were to be the case:
There goes another (small?) portion of jobs, to the overseas, never to be hiring or promoting here again!
Obviously, this is EXACTLY what we are looking for, so it makes perfect sense to keep pushing things this hard! *
(*no)
I highly doubt the above statement, given this...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-signs-global-internet-treaty-worse-than-sopa.html
It won't really matter where the servers are in a particular jurisdiction, if your country has signed the Anti-Counterfitting Trade Act, you're pretty much screwed. So much for turning fear and uncertainty into an economic boon.
And it is called "Cloud".
The Government of the United States of America should do everything in its power to eliminate this threat. It offends me to think that our laws can be sidestepped in such a blatant manner.
I'll bet it will be merely a matter of hours before these clouds are used to host child pornography and recipes for bombs, deadly viruses, and poisons. There will probably also be a ton of propaganda stating things like "It's OK to have abortions! Your body belongs to you, NOT the Government!", or "Unions are good because they interfere with the ability of the white man to keep you down!" or "The FBI sold crack to your parents and grandparents. Will you trust them to sell crack to your children? 70% discount for new customers, 45 days only!" or "The entire male population of Washington, D.C. does not want to be forced to rape you. So don't have premarital sex or touch a member of the opposite sex!"
People just don't get what a THREAT to humanity these clouds are. They are being seeded with acid which will erode away everything that has made America great. And there is only one America. The one that we call the United States of America. God bless.
I wonder how successful would be a company providing data storage service like Dropbox, but with guaranteed data security. I mean that all encryption would be done by client software (with source code provided so everyone can verify that) and no keys or unencrypted data would be ever transmitted to company's servers. In this case complying with warrants and subpoenas would be no problem - here is all we have, have fun decrypting.
Does anyone in the EU trust the EU with their data? No! It is mostly composed of "other nation states." The EU is not a federal entity like the US and it is therefore technically wrong to apply that type of security trust across borders. The less you trust other people's computers, and the more you control of your own computing platform, then the more you can guarantee any given outcome. Trust no one (to summarize).
The purpose of existence is to make money.
Except where a agreement exists in which the EU must give the USA authorities access to the data if it's about terrorism (or whatever), like with the bank transactions. Like the Swift agreement between the EU and the USA. It's an open secret that in order to spy on the citizens the USA and the EU have agreements of data sharing. Because of strict privacy laws in the EU they just agree to share the data with the USA, so the USA can see the data and tell the EU everything in order to fight terrorism (or whatever).
Face the fact: if you put your data in the cloud, the goverment have it. There is no way around it.
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My university campus in australia moved to google hosted email. A hardon for google's cloud and Nice Tech(tm) were the driving forces from discussions I was in on.
There are legitimate concerns that were simply ignored though. Students from certain countries (see: Iran, mainland China, etc) can be understandable anxious about certain governments wanting to grab their information. They didn't complain quite as loud the next semester once the rollout was complete, and with that the steamrolling process was complete.
not only has a data centre within their jurisdiction, but is also owned by an organisation based in that jurisdiction.
That sentence is really silly. If you have a hosting service in EU, and want to sell in the EU, then you need to be in the VAT system, which means that having a company registered in EU is quite mandatory (I quite know because we had to form GPLHost UK in order to sell in EU...). So the sentence is redundant and stupid.
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Sweet lord .. i been tellin geveryone for the past 4 years that we need european versions of facebook
America has Facebook
Europe has? Buttbook ??
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !