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Facebook's Oregon Data Center Uses As Much Power As Entire County

1sockchuck writes "The first phase of the Facebook data center in Oregon uses 28 megawatts of utility power, local officials said this week. That's not extraordinary for a facility of that size in most data center hubs. But it stands out in Crook County, Oregon where all the homes and business other than Facebook use 30 megawatts of power. The economics of Facebook's presence in Oregon are outlined in a new study, which asserts that the Prineville facility has brought tens of millions of dollars into the local economy. The second phase of the Facebook project is now underway, and the local utility grid is being expanded to add capacity." The study claiming economic benefits was commissioned by Facebook (reader beware).

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  1. Indeed by korgitser · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have always noticed, the bigger you get, the more power hungry...

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  2. All this.. by undulato · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..so that you can tell people what you had for your breakfast. And then show them.

  3. I was going to post this to my Facebook feed.. by jamesjw · · Score: 4, Funny

    But then i'd be purpetuating the problem somewhat :)

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  4. Facebook... by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    a source of pollution both on the Net and off.

    1. Re:Facebook... by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isn't this datacenter powered from hydroelectric power? I think everyone is against burning fossil fuels for power (yay environment!), but whatever environmental damage damming the columbia river did happened 70 years ago. In terms of cleanest, cheapest power, there are few places better suited for a datacenter.

      Except that power is dumped onto a grid. If Facebook pulls 32megawatts from the grid, and the hydroelectric dam is providing it, then somebody else's coal plant (or nuclear) is making up the difference. Wasted electricity is wasted electricity.

  5. You know there's something wrong with computing... by carlhaagen · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...when it costs more energy to blog about your breakfast than it does actually cooking it.

  6. Re:Clean and cheap energy in Sweden by geogob · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or you could put your data center in Quebec, almost exclusively producing electricity from water and with little problem with cooling 10 months out of 12. There's a reason while so many aluminum plants are present in that Canadian province. Bonus : link the the Chicago network hub is easier from there than from northern Sweden.

    With data center like these, they can expect less than 0.03 $CAD per kWh.

  7. Crook County by dabadab · · Score: 5, Informative

    I looked it up so you don't have to: Crook County is inhabited by 20k people, its economy largely consists of agriculture and tourism so it's no wonder that they do not use massive amounts of electricity.

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  8. Re:Energy per user by lazy_playboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    28,000,000 / 800,000,000 = 0.035 Watts/user

  9. How much is 28 Megawatt? by gnasher719 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A few years ago I visited a nuclear power station, and 28 Megawatt was about the output of the ship's diesel engine that they had on standby for emergency power supply to be able to run cooling systems etc. in case the power station itself breaks down and it can't get power from other power stations. I think it is also about what a large cruise ship needs for all its electrical needs. Seems to be a very small county that they are talking about.

    1. Re:How much is 28 Megawatt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've seen a 1.21 GW generator too and it's only the size of a DeLorean.

    2. Re:How much is 28 Megawatt? by vlm · · Score: 4, Informative

      The most obvious comparison is its about 10 or so modern diesel electric locomotive engines, if you assume 2500 or so HP per engine, which is probably not a bad guess for your average generic engine... Spare me the anecdote that there exist like 4 Aclea Express engines in the USA that have 6000 HP, and I'm well aware coming from a three generation railroad family that there are some astounding coal haulers out there.

      There are probably more than 10 diesels in my county right now... coal plant, despite the best efforts of the govt some industry still remains, multiple short range commuter rail and also some long range commuter rail, multiple intermodal transfer stations, a small but respectable great lakes "sea"port (which is admittedly frozen in right now)

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  10. Re:Energy per user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does the ridiculous figure you come up with not make you question your working? 35 electric fires constantly on per user of facebook? In one datacentre? Are you high?

    I pray you are not in any science or engineering disciplines ...

    0.035 Watts/user you spoon

  11. Entire county by Trogre · · Score: 3, Funny

    Did anyone else read that as Country? That would have been news-worthy.

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    1. Re:Entire county by FrootLoops · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's what I thought initially. The CIA World Factbook includes electricity consumption statistics for many countries and regions. Note that they're listed in kWh per year; 28 MW translates to about 245,000,000 kWh per year. This puts the data center at around #174 on that list, ahead of Rwanda, Eritrea, Belize, Bhutan, Chad, and Tonga, to pick a few (though note that the data for many of those countries is a few years old, so they may have moved up). For comparison, the entire US is listed at 3,741,000,000,000 kWh per year. This data center is then around 0.007% of the US's power usage.

      Since there are something like 3000 counties in the US, assuming uniform distribution, an average sized county would have 1/3000 = ~0.033% of the country's electricity consumption. This county then has around 7/33 ~= 21% of the average population. That average would be ~300 million / 3000 = 100,000 people per county: and indeed, Crook County, Oregon has approximately 21,000 = 100,000 * 21% people. So actually the electricity consumption of the county appears to be quite average, even though it sounds rural from the Wikipedia page.

  12. Handier unit by srussia · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Gore (G). The power consumption at Al Gore's house in August 2007 was around 23,000 kWh.

    That gives an average draw of around 30kW.

    So this baby sucks a nice round 1 kiloGore (1kG).

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  13. Re:Go the Apple way by TheLink · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They could use solar to reduce their electric bill, but currently it's likely to just cost them more, unless there are subsidies which means taxpayers would be paying for their electricity (in return for hopefully improved solar tech in the long run).

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  14. Re:You know there's something wrong with computing by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    ..when it costs more energy to blog about your breakfast than it does actually cooking it.

    You can do both at the same time on a Pentium 4.

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  15. Re:Energy per user by jones_supa · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does the ridiculous figure you come up with not make you question your working? 35 electric fires constantly on per user of facebook? In one datacentre? Are you high?

    My calculation was sponsored by the Green Party.

  16. So what's happening with all the waste heat then? by advocate_one · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Article's a bit light on any details... but that facility has to deal with all that heat somehow... and using it to provide heating for local residents would be a very good use of it.

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  17. Re:AAF: Ammo Against Facebook by delinear · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What do you think all those people would do if they weren't using Facebook? It's not like we'd turn off Facebook and everyone then goes out and plants trees as an alternative. As a means for keeping in touch with friends and family I'd say a site like Facebook has got to be more energy efficient than, say, driving or flying out to visit people on a regular basis.

  18. Re:Go the Apple way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Costs in Africa are enormous. For power, both grid and fuel supply are unreliable, so onsite generation and large storage are a must. Latency to users in the US, Asia and Europe is crippling, and corruption is massive, it will drag your deployment out for years.

  19. Re:Go the Apple way by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, that makes a lot of sense.As long as they have a fat pipe to the internet, who cares where the datacenter is. Costs will be lower in Africa, and solar panels make a lot more sense there.

    Go to Iceland instead. Lots of hydro power, cooling not a problem, halfway between two of the most important regions to serve...

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  20. Re:Go the Apple way by Hadlock · · Score: 4, Informative

    The FB datacenter already runs on hydro power (they're like, 30 miles from the columbia river, which generates something like 50% of the hydroelectric capacity in the US), with an average year round temp in the high 50s.

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  21. Re:AAF: Ammo Against Facebook by kiwimate · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And Slashdot is any better?

    At least Facebook allows you to delete your account (keeping data around is another story). Slashdot doesn't even bother pretending.

    How can I delete my account?

    You can't. The system needs to keep track of the users, so accounts are permanent. Don't sweat leaving unused accounts hanging around. It doesn't hurt anything.

  22. Re:Go the Apple way by afabbro · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, that makes a lot of sense.As long as they have a fat pipe to the internet, who cares where the datacenter is.

    People on the other end of it. A "fat pipe" is only one half of the network speed equation - bandwidth. The other half is latency. Until/unless someone figures a way to overcome the speed of light, a datacenter in Oregon is always going to be faster for North American users than one in Africa.

    That's why content distribution networks like Akamai serve you content from a DC nearest you - to reduce latency.

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