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Building the Bionic Man

nk497 writes "Will we soon be upgrading body parts like the components inside our PCs? 'Human enhancement' technologies are quickly evolving, making it easier to treat health conditions — and make us more powerful. Neural implants are already being used to restore vision, but in the future it could be used to give us better than 20/20 eyesight. Bionic arms will extend beyond prostheses, and be used to help boost our strength — handy for working in a warehouse and for soldiers. 'We use tools all the time to enhance our natural functions, and physical interaction is increasingly usurped by the virtual connections afforded by computers, smartphones and the internet,' said one researcher. 'So connecting these tools directly from the brain is perhaps not so far-fetched.'"

129 comments

  1. Sure, if you're rich by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bionic arms will extend beyond prostheses

    Pretty sure my insurance company is just going to give me the standard hook. And if you're uninsured--you'll get a hand-me-down wooden stick.

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    1. Re:Sure, if you're rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uninsured != poor

    2. Re:Sure, if you're rich by Dyinobal · · Score: 1

      Nah your insurance company only covers a whisk. (+100 nerd points if anyone gets the reference)

    3. Re:Sure, if you're rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ah, I see you have the arm that goes "BING!"

    4. Re:Sure, if you're rich by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      When you're talking about what's necessarily true, sure. But the vast majority of those uninsured can't afford it in the united states. The GP was making a reasonable simplification. This is not really a reason to invoke a pointless political debate.

    5. Re:Sure, if you're rich by Mitsoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah.. Insurance would never cover this...

      The cost of a few days in a hospital, the cutting-edge new technology... Costs of therapy to adjust to a new limb...

      will probably cost a few million dollars per limb...

      So yeah... 1% of the country could ever afford it if the wealth gap keeps growing like it is

    6. Re:Sure, if you're rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      With all the legislation against piracy recently, I doubt people will get hooks.

      A small american flag prosthesis maybe?

    7. Re:Sure, if you're rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody gets rich without insuring their riches against loss.

    8. Re:Sure, if you're rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get a two legs, an arm and an eye for six million dollars.

    9. Re:Sure, if you're rich by FreeBSDbigot · · Score: 0

      if the wealth gap keeps growing like it is

      In the US that gap has been closing for a few years, and by one measure is back to the level it was around 15 years ago.

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    10. Re:Sure, if you're rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Don't do anything to disrupt the timeline!" ...raises arm...

      "Uh oh."

    11. Re:Sure, if you're rich by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Funny

      But think of the possibilities! Cake batter, and quiche batter, and pancake batter, and crepe batter, and mousse, and meringue, and whipped cream...

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    12. Re:Sure, if you're rich by Dyinobal · · Score: 1

      +100 nerd points to you good sir.

    13. Re:Sure, if you're rich by azalin · · Score: 1

      Well at least rich people (or those living in countries where universal healthcare is considered a basic right) in could enjoy it.
      There might even be a tv show like bionic makeover[tm]

    14. Re:Sure, if you're rich by azalin · · Score: 1

      It's not a hook it's a "C" as in constitution. Anyway wasn't there something on the right to bear arms or something? What about legs?

    15. Re:Sure, if you're rich by mr1911 · · Score: 1

      (or those living in countries where universal healthcare is considered a basic right) in could enjoy it.

      No problem. Universal healthcare is free for citizens and governments just print money. Free bionic accessories for everyone.

      At least the U.S. uses its astonishing debt and money printing abilities for humanitarian causes such as keeping large banks from suffering a dip in their profit margins.

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    16. Re:Sure, if you're rich by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      If the U.S. government is going to take over a process that is a simple data base consisting of patient data, and medical procedures; then wouldn't prosthetics be just another procedure for a patient? Given that prosthetics follow a standard formula as applied to the patient requirement, wouldn't an automated factory that builds the replacement part be the next level in the solution chain? Pardon the pun, but as the "kinks" are worked out, prosthetics with recovery therapies would then be handled on an out patient basics. Who needs a Billionaire Ego to lord over this?

    17. Re:Sure, if you're rich by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      I was just thinking of a new line of prosthetics, referred to as "Johnson's"

    18. Re:Sure, if you're rich by davester666 · · Score: 1

      For $1000, what is "One thing you do not want attached to your arm, in place of your hand"?

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    19. Re:Sure, if you're rich by suomynonAyletamitlU · · Score: 1

      For anyone not in on the joke, it's from way back near the beginning of the webcomic, Schlock Mercenary. (The art's a lot better now, and I recommend it to anyone interested in good, silly sci-fi.)

    20. Re:Sure, if you're rich by sjames · · Score: 1

      !poor != able to afford health care in the U.S.

    21. Re:Sure, if you're rich by sjames · · Score: 1

      Yes, there was a blip, but the trend since the '60s has been the other way. You're the guy who says it was below freezing this morning here in Minnesota, there can't be global warming.

    22. Re:Sure, if you're rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people will get left behind - it's evolution!

    23. Re:Sure, if you're rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bionic arms will extend beyond prostheses

      Pretty sure my insurance company is just going to give me the standard hook. And if you're uninsured--you'll get a hand-me-down wooden stick.

      Well i'll have a new lumbar spine right Hip Knee and Femur i may be able to walk more that 10 feet then and get my life back

    24. Re:Sure, if you're rich by peragrin · · Score: 1

      ah but the FDA says I can't touch food with my hands and the health care company calls it a hand.

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    25. Re:Sure, if you're rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For $1000, what is "One thing you do not want attached to your arm, in place of your hand"?

      Your mom?

    26. Re:Sure, if you're rich by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      At least the U.S. uses its astonishing debt and money printing abilities for humanitarian causes such as keeping large banks from suffering a dip in their profit margins.

      And prosecuting pointless wars for no strategic gain whatsoever, of course.

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  2. i am already in line! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when these "parts" be available, i will definetely try it on !

  3. Now by Moheeheeko · · Score: 2

    with built in "bn-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n"

    1. Re:Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ghost in the Shell examines such implications fairly thoroughly.

  4. Bodys are like Apples by biodata · · Score: 3, Funny

    Open the case and you void the warranty.

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  5. God bless my 80/80 eyesight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Even the prettiest of women now look like germ-laden toads at three feet distance...

    1. Re:God bless my 80/80 eyesight by masternerdguy · · Score: 1

      Eyesight? Pfft, rather have Eidetic memory.

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    2. Re:God bless my 80/80 eyesight by Krau+Ming · · Score: 1

      except you'll be looking at them on a computer screen at three feet distance inside your existence cube.

    3. Re:God bless my 80/80 eyesight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i wouldn't, Eidetic memory is a great way to end batshit crazy.

  6. This is old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have been getting emails about male enhancement for years.

    1. Re:This is old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been getting emails about male enhancement for years.

      Thank goodness the Head On people were not involved.

  7. You guys knew I'd be chiming in... by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm a cyborg; the lens in my left eye was replaced by a device called a CrystaLens, which gives it better than 20/20 vision at all distances. After needing thick glasses all my life, not even needing reading glasses at age 60 is nothing short of miraculous.

    However, had I not gotten a steroid-induced cataract that pretty much blinded that eye I'd not had the surgery, mostly because I wouldn't have been able to afford the surgery but partly because, well, would you let someone stick a needle in your eye if it wasn't an emergency and glasses or contacts would do the job?

    All surgey is dangerous. People have died in dentists' chairs. The difference between people and PCs is we can't just unscrew a panel, replace a part, and screw the panel back in. We have knives and needles and danger of infection and other possible complications, machinery doesn't. We have to heal, and often need some sort of therapy after surgery.

    A lot of folks who have had hips, knees, and other joints replaced must suffer additional pain and surgery because of faulty parts; there are several class action lawsuits going on now over defective parts.

    However, rather than bionic parts replacement with enhancements for perfectly healthy body parts (which, as I mention, is dangerous), things like third arms, exoskeletons that allow us to lift hundreds of pounds, are already in development.

    Bionics will most likely be for replacement of existing, faulty human parts rather than enhancing or "upgrading" human tissues unless we get McCoy's knifeless surgery.

    1. Re:You guys knew I'd be chiming in... by compro01 · · Score: 2

      The difference between people and PCs is we can't just unscrew a panel, replace a part, and screw the panel back in

      We also generally can't power the machine off while we're doing that either.

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    2. Re:You guys knew I'd be chiming in... by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      Well, they sort of can. When I had a tonsellictomy at age 6 they used ether as an anesthetic -- AKA automotive starting fluid. Nasty shit, horrible trip, and talking to others who went under the knife with ether is was the same terrible nightmare.

      However, when I had a hemmoroidectomy in 2002 the anestegiologist said "OK, you're going to sleep now." I replied after a few seconds "Uh, it's not working." He laughed -- "we're finished." They may not yet be able to shut us all the way off and not kill us, but they can put us in hibernate mode. You don't even know you were unconscious!

    3. Re:You guys knew I'd be chiming in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Minor enhancements period.

      You lose an arm, if you replace it, what do you add, thermal shielding if you're a fireman, but you can't add too much since it will rip your should off.

      Then there's all that crap about soldiers and warehouse workers. Again, weight limitations, you can have a robotic arm with extra strength, but when you lift something, even a piece of paper, you use muscles and bones from your entire body, not just your arm.
      For soldiers ... well, if they need that extra strength in combat, then they're pretty much fucked. As for lugging stuff around, it's cheaper, safer, stealthier and logistically sound to have a drone do it for you. God knows, the US Army/Airforce/Navy is pretty much in love with those things.

      Exoskeletons, will not take off, to be honest, it would be cheaper to develop better full body armor, stronger and lighter than the 47 year old kevlar. Ask sci-fi writters about this, they seem to have thought of these things decades ago.

      As for the swapping parts like a PC, well, considering the poor software and security for pacemakers, you could try that and sadly it would be recommended.

      Given the state of medical care in the US, I doubt that's where we'll see the first improvements. Or second. Maybe not even third.

    4. Re:You guys knew I'd be chiming in... by mr1911 · · Score: 1

      They may not yet be able to shut us all the way off and not kill us, but they can put us in hibernate mode. You don't even know you were unconscious!

      Cool story bro, but you kind of missed the point. They didn't shut you off, they just removed your awareness.

      Maybe a car analogy will help. Your surgery was like working on a car that was idling in neutral. Your anesthesiologist was maintaining your airway and monitoring your vitals. If you were shut off, he wouldn't have been necessary.

      There have been surgeries where hypothermia is induced to effectively shut the body down, but such a procedure is far from having fantastic results on a regular basis.

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    5. Re:You guys knew I'd be chiming in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In response to you saying it wouldn't be for replacing perfectly good body parts, I agree. We don't yet have the tchnology that would make a bionic arm as efficient as a real arm, for instance. For example, all that's required to power and maintain a real limb is to eat and exercise. A bionic or replacement arm currently requires an external power source (until we figure out how to use the energy from the body to power such a limb) and requires constant maintenance. Therefore in the contest of energy efficiency and robustness, the real human limb wins. Technology is a great tool, but we should hold up on the dreams of replacing our bodies, the most efficient "machine" man has ever made.

    6. Re:You guys knew I'd be chiming in... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Actually, to weaken the point a bit, we essentially CAN "turn the patient off". It is, however, a rather extreme procedure, so it's rarely used. It involves hypothermia. You sure wouldn't get it for a simple operation like a tonsillectomy, or having your gall bladder or appendix removed. Surgery on you heart MIGHT call for it, but it still usually doesn't.

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    7. Re:You guys knew I'd be chiming in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People have died in dentists' chairs.

      Like Kimberly Bergalis

      Though not just right then and there....

    8. Re:You guys knew I'd be chiming in... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      anestegiologist

      I had to look this up as I thought it must be some extravagant typo, but it turns out it's the US word for what we call an anaesthetist in the UK.

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  8. Welcome to Sci-fi jackass, where have you been? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kids shows and cartoons have been covering this for like 50 years too.

  9. Choices choices by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm not sure if to go for the aggressive defence system, or the spy drone in my cranial slot.

    1. Re:Choices choices by freeze128 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The TSA would *NEVER* let you on a plane if you had the Typhoon installed....

    2. Re:Choices choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I schpeel my drink!

    3. Re:Choices choices by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure if to go for the aggressive defence system, or the spy drone in my cranial slot.

      It's a bit premature to start worrying about nano-augs when we are only on the frontier of mech-augs. Better make sure you have a good line on a supply of Neuropozene.

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  10. Not very impressive pictures by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    If you're going to show how strong some augmentation suit is, showing the wearing carrying 3 mid sized bags of cement or an empty roadies case which any reasonably strong man could handle is hardly the killer image. Show them lifting a car one handed FFS!

    1. Re:Not very impressive pictures by jockeys · · Score: 1

      agreed. those look about like 25# bags (~11-12kg) so 75# total. most teenagers with a strong back can easily haul that around, having a full grown man in an exosuit doing it is ridiculous. while the suit might not be able to handle cars, you'd think he'd at least be toting the bodyweight of a grown man.

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  11. One minor hurdle to overcome still.... by james_van · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the interfacing between the brain and a computer is still a sticking point. granted, science is currently making some good progress, but we're still a ways out. once that gets solved reliably, things should get fun. especially if the interface has standardized connections and a publicly available API - realistically, you'd be able to by "bolt-on", disposable prosthetics at best buy someday (but snobs like me will buy them from newegg)

    1. Re:One minor hurdle to overcome still.... by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      No. The real sticking point is being able to power them for any reasonable amount of time.

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    2. Re:One minor hurdle to overcome still.... by james_van · · Score: 1

      I'd disagree with you there, at least partially. It really depends on the type of prosthetic (arm, hand, leg, etc) and the application. A basic arm designed for regular, everyday use, minimal load bearing, could go for the better part of a day on current battery technology. However, you are correct for things like legs, that are in use often and are load bearing. If anything, power and interface are "the two sticking points".

  12. 1st Borg Joke! by echo_kmem · · Score: 1

    We are the Borg...erm Human. You will be assimilated. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile.

    1. Re:1st Borg Joke! by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I beat you to it, but I wasn't joking. You will be assimilated. Not only is resistance futile, there will be no resistance. You will beg to become one of us. Blind or cyborg? Wheelchair or cyborg? Your choice... a futile choice.

      I know quite a few cyborgs. You can't even tell us from normal, unenhanced humans.

    2. Re:1st Borg Joke! by echo_kmem · · Score: 1

      Rats! You and that Bionic eye have bested me! Bah! =) Actually, Bionic hands would be rather 'handy' in a lot of ways.

  13. It's all about the power supply, folks. by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All of this science-fiction turned reality is only as good as the power source. Jet packs, Aliens-style power loaders, autonomous humanoid robots, exoskeletons, electric cars. All useless without the über battery and we humans have been failing on that for decades.

    1. Re:It's all about the power supply, folks. by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My bionic implant uses my eye's natural focusing muscle for power, and it works better than YOUR natural, unenhanced eye. And batteries and magnet tech and lower energy needs have been improving greatly over the last few decades. My old Star Tak analog phone lasted a day if I was lucky, my newer Motorola has a smaller battery and lasts several days. I think you're a bit too pessimistic.

      And this IS science fiction turned reality -- we're in the 21st century, man! When Star Trek first came on the air when I was 14, there were no communicators (cell phones), flat screen displays, iPads (or "padds"), doors that opened automatically, McCoy's medical readouts (which we've surpassed), voice-activated computers (my Acer has that feature), space shuttles... to young folks there's nothing futuristic about STOS except the transporter, faster than light travel, and matter replicators. Back then it was all impossible fantasy.

    2. Re:It's all about the power supply, folks. by azalin · · Score: 1

      For larger parts (arms, legs) there should be enough room for a decent exchangeable lithium based battery pack. Add a USB plug for charging and you're ready to go. Ok the USB part was a joke, but the rest wouldn't be to hard to pull off.

    3. Re:It's all about the power supply, folks. by cpghost · · Score: 1

      Right! And the time to charge the battery matters as well. The ideal power supply would be some yet to be invented new generation ultra capacitor buffer as frontend to an efficient chemical battery backend that you could charge by briefly touching an 800.000 Volt line with a telescope antenna (say with 1.21 Gigawatt). But this ain't gonna happen anytime soon, especially not with this hypothetical ultra capacitor tagged in your body!

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    4. Re:It's all about the power supply, folks. by 0xG · · Score: 1

      I'll just drag around an extension cord, thanks.

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    5. Re:It's all about the power supply, folks. by alexo · · Score: 1

      And batteries and magnet tech and lower energy needs have been improving greatly over the last few decades. My old Star Tak analog phone lasted a day if I was lucky, my newer Motorola has a smaller battery and lasts several days. I think you're a bit too pessimistic.

      Your Motorola lasting several days on standby is a technological achievement but it is still way off the mark.
      What we want is battery tech that will let the most powerful smartphones and "gaming" laptops last several days at full load .

    6. Re:It's all about the power supply, folks. by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Why wouldn't they just run off of your body's energy?

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    7. Re:It's all about the power supply, folks. by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps but an average human forearm can curl 50 lbs. A motor that can do that might draw about 70 amps. Sure, lithium packs can deliver that kind of current but the capacity isn't there to be able to do this very long. A Cyberdyne Systems Model 101 has a power cell that lasts 120 years.

    8. Re:It's all about the power supply, folks. by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 2

      Quite true. That's one of the things that sucks about the current crop of electric cars. IMHO, if you want to really sell an electric car, it must have the following features:

      1) 300-500 mile range.
      2) Be able to carry four adults with all their luggage for that range.
      3) Recharge time of less than 5 minutes.
      4) Not look like a total dorkmobile. Other than the Tesla roadster, every design looks like something a communist country would come up with. Bleah.
      5) Here's the real challenge: Be able to charge the thing in the middle of stinking nowhere. Don't force me to to live in a major city where a specialized charging station happens to have been installed. IMHO, that's a big unintended consequence to forcing people to buy electric cars. No more rural living.

    9. Re:It's all about the power supply, folks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/10/17/1749258/electrical-power-from-humans

    10. Re:It's all about the power supply, folks. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      A Cyberdyne Systems Model 101 has a power cell that lasts 120 years.

      Uh, hello? Why don't we just use those then?

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    11. Re:It's all about the power supply, folks. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I use the newer phone a lot more than the old analog phone. Plus, it had a very small (about 1 cm x 4 cm) screen that only displayed numbers, while the new one has a color video screen and backlit keys; the backlighting takes juice, too. I use the newer phone for a lot more than talking; often I'll read the newspaper on it or look something up on google. Despite spending far less time on standby and it's being actively used far more, it lasts 3 times as long.

    12. Re:It's all about the power supply, folks. by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

      Well, since the unit wasn't sent back until 2029, I figure we have a few years left to invent it. Then again, Skynet should have been active since 1997 so something has messed with that timeline.

    13. Re:It's all about the power supply, folks. by alexo · · Score: 1

      I do not dispute your assertion.
      I just say that it is not the technological leap that people were waiting for.

  14. working in a warehouse? by rubycodez · · Score: 2

    isn't that wonderful, the thought of employers requiring those in manual labor to get cyborged to get a job. I know what is wonderful, the thought of fat cat oligarchs getting burked by a bionic arm......

  15. Re:Welcome to reality jackass, where've you been? by Daetrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Kids shows and cartoons have been covering this for like 50 years too.

    So if something has been consistently featured in kids shows or cartoons then it's entirely reasonable to expect it to show up in real life and totally not worthy of comment when it does? That's great! I'm looking forward to being able to buy my flying car soon, which i will use to commute to a wizard school where i can learn magic. Remind me to stay away from japan though. I'd like to avoid the tentacle monsters and i can always just import the cool mecha.

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  16. Well I don't know about you... by Viol8 · · Score: 2

    "exoskeletons that allow us to lift hundreds of pounds"

    I already can lift a few hundred pounds thanks to the training i've done in the gym for the 10 years. If these devices are going to be taken seriously they need to REALLY enhance strength , not just turn it up a notch or two. I'm talking about the strength to lift up boulders or cars etc, not just being able to draw at arm wrestling with the the local pub bouncer.

    1. Re:Well I don't know about you... by chill · · Score: 1

      That isn't going to be as much a mass and leverage issue as it is a strength issue. And a toughness of skin issue, as you focus all that weight on a very narrow area where your fingers wrap around the edge of the car bumper.

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    2. Re:Well I don't know about you... by Wintermute__ · · Score: 2

      That, and it's really about the strength of the whole skeleton. Bionic arm? No, thanks, unless it comes with a bionic spine as well. Lifting hundreds of pounds is as much about your back as your arms. Legs, knees, back, shoulders, etc. Making one excessively strong compared to the others just shifts your injury to the next weakest link.

    3. Re:Well I don't know about you... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I already can lift a few hundred pounds thanks to the training i've done in the gym for the 10 years

      I think you've wandered into the wrong forum, mate. Jockdot.com is down the corridor.

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  17. ...or Windows by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Funny

    In which case the last thing you see will literally be the blue screen of death.

  18. Ahem... +1 Stupidity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Bionic arms will extend beyond prostheses, and be used to help boost our strength — handy for working in a warehouse and for soldiers.

    Oh, really? As far as I can recall, how often does a factory worker get sidelined permanently because of an arm injury, or chronic arm pain, or a ruptured joint in an arm. If you get my drift... Call me when they have the bionic spine replacement to support the enhanced strength of the bionic arm--that would allow the arm to actually be useful.

    1. Re:Ahem... +1 Stupidity by Bieeanda · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Overspecialization? Meet Planned Obsolescence. I'm sure you two will get along famously."

  19. Bionic Shmionic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seriously, I don't care about mechanical parts. Wake me when I can get my arms replaced with real tentacles.

  20. Ah , gotta love the USA by Viol8 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You pay your taxes so they can waste a trillion dollars doing nothing useful in Iraq apart from depose some old man who'd have been dead in 10 years anyway, but you have to take out insurance to cover hospital costs if you're ill else you can go die in an alley for all they care. I'm so glad I live in europe. Why you think your system of governence should be exported around the world beats the hell out of me.

    1. Re:Ah , gotta love the USA by oodaloop · · Score: 2

      so they can waste a trillion dollars doing nothing useful in Iraq

      But then Europe complains we don't overthrow other dictators and wanted us to intervene in Libya. Seems we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

      I'm so glad I live in europe.

      I'm glad you live in Europe too.

      beats the hell out of me.

      I'd love to. May i?

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    2. Re:Ah , gotta love the USA by nine932038 · · Score: 1

      I'm genuinely curious. Have other countries really, truly explicitly asked the US to militarily intervene in the sovereign affairs of other nations? I often find myself a bit out of my depth with US/international relations, so I'd be much obliged if you could provide a link or two.

    3. Re:Ah , gotta love the USA by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      I think those who want to export American democracy are in the minority, at least in the elements of the country that doesn't watch FOX News. I understand that it's pretty much impossible to be isolationist anymore but I am generally of the opinion that we should stay out of the affairs of other countries.

    4. Re:Ah , gotta love the USA by rocket+rancher · · Score: 2

      I think those who want to export American democracy are in the minority, at least in the elements of the country that doesn't watch FOX News. I understand that it's pretty much impossible to be isolationist anymore but I am generally of the opinion that we should stay out of the affairs of other countries.

      hmmm...I don't watch Fox News, and I don't want to export American democracy. What I want is a stable, predictable planet, and that means a stable, predictable America. As long as American democracy remains under the control of large corporations, that will eventually happen. Most corporations want stability and predictability. Unfortunately for the planet, there are several American companies who have a vested interest in global instability, and have been actively lobbying for an aggressive American foreign policy. Sadly, what is left of American industrial infrastructure belongs to these same companies -- companies whose bottom-line is primarily a function of American foreign policy, like Boeing, Lock-Mar, and Raytheon. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, these companies have been looking for some way to justify and sustain their manufacturing capability. They found it in the Carter Doctrine, and they are successfully lobbying to make sure the current administration understands and acknowledges it, which Obama did in his recent SoU speech. If you have relatives in Iran, or pretty much anywhere near the Strait of Hormuz, I suggest you invite them to take a long vacation -- the sooner, the better.

    5. Re:Ah , gotta love the USA by sjames · · Score: 4, Funny

      Seems we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

      If we're damned anyway, let's don't. It's cheaper!

    6. Re:Ah , gotta love the USA by PeterWone · · Score: 1

      Europe asks? Europe is no more half a dozen fatcats than the USA is half a dozen warmongers.

    7. Re:Ah , gotta love the USA by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      so they can waste a trillion dollars doing nothing useful in Iraq

      But then Europe complains we don't overthrow other dictators and wanted us to intervene in Libya. Seems we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

      I don't think anyone in Europe wanted the US to intervene in Libya. Most people didn't want Europe to intervene in Libya either.

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  21. We have the technology... by sharkey · · Score: 2

    ... but don't want to spend a lot of money.

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  22. The first thing that comes to mind... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is from The Big Bang Theory s04e01 - Robot Hand, where Howard gets his manhood stuck in his robotic arm!

  23. Not for awhile by iamhassi · · Score: 2

    Article reminds me of all those articles about "home robots" from the 80s, saying robots were the future and we'd all have robots in our homes in 10-20 years. So what do we have 20-30 yrs later? Roombas

    It will take a long time before we're taking out our nice, natural, perfectly working body parts and replacing them with circuit boards and servos. Sure, if you lose a limb and have a few hundred thousand dollars (probably tens of millions with inflation) you'll be able to buy a awesome arm or leg in 10-20 years, but don't expect the insurance companies to ever pay for it until they're cheaper than a metal claw.

    And technically we've had the bionic man ever since the artificial heart in the 80s.

    Rather than strapping robotic parts to our bodies I think we're closer to building human-looking robots (androids, the other androids, not the phones) that go out and do tasks for us while we control them from the comfort of our home like in that movie Surrogates

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    1. Re:Not for awhile by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Article reminds me of all those articles about "home robots" from the 80s, saying robots were the future and we'd all have robots in our homes in 10-20 years. So what do we have 20-30 yrs later? Roombas

      Well, at least we got that movie Runaway out of it. Of course, the home robots in that movie were a helluva lot cooler than a weak vacuum cleaner which can't even manage to navigate a over a seam in my carpet.

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    2. Re:Not for awhile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > we're closer to building human-looking robots (androids, the other androids, not the phones) that go out and do tasks for us while we control them from the comfort of our home...

      Of course, were closer to that. Take Cyberskin, for example.

  24. in the army you may get them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time for super solders

    1. Re:in the army you may get them by logjon · · Score: 0

      Better make sure they're not lead-based.

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  25. Replacement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whenever I've heard stories about people taking their pc to the shop, I never hear "I got part X upgraded.", I hear "The man said it would be cheaper to buy a new one so that's what I did."

    We have plenty of people.

  26. Thanks by wzinc · · Score: 1

    But, I'm already more powerful than you could possibly imagine!

  27. Where does the energy come from? by sshirley · · Score: 1

    I think this is all great news and a wonderful idea. We as humans are able to overcome mother nature and bend the world to our needs. However...this article talks about a future, which is certainly coming, where technology shapes our world. Where does the energy come from to power all this? I came to a revelation recently. I've watched all the documentaries, so I knew mentally that this was coming. But oil is coming to an end. Coal is coming to an end. Fossil fuels are coming to an end. I recently watched a documentary that said that coal was going to run out around 2040-2050. Whether or not this date is true, it will end. This documentary made me think...EVERYTHING is made from petroleum. Plastic cups. Cars. Computers. Chairs. Prosthetics! I was born in 1973 and will likely die around 2050. My ENTIRE life I have been accustomed to a world made from petroleum. Suddenly in my old age, I will live in a world that no longer has these resources. My life when I am elderly will change DRASTICALLY and horribly if we do nothing about our power situation. What does this revelation have to do this the parent post on bionic parts? When we build a world where we are no longer 100% and these parts require power to run...where is the power going to come from?

  28. Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wake me when I can get Goro-arms so I can jerk off while abusing my admin powers in counter-strike source.

  29. bionic hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    would welcome a bionic hand which will be enough powerful and will not cause pain.

    got my shoulder dislocated for second time. Doctor says I will need surgery to put tacks to fix it. Its damn expensive though.

  30. Fear by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    Another area where trivial patents, copyrights, company policies, government intervention and remote disabling could reign.

  31. Re:Sometime in the future... Hey bro! by TheBouncer2006 · · Score: 0

    geeze try to be funny in forum that has a big linux base of participants and end up with a score of troll... thats a first...wasn't my goal to troll... people need to lighten up!

  32. No, they're like Microsoft. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    There is no warranty.

  33. One word for you by alexo · · Score: 1

    Exoskeletons

  34. can't wait for this to go mainstream by amunds0n · · Score: 1

    I'm going to get a heads-up-display installed over the lens of my eyes and I want it to show me all kinds of numerical data and probabilities whenever I look at something. Then I want an attachment so I can snap a fishing rod to my forehead and I will use it to catch more fish.

  35. EOL by erik_flannestad · · Score: 1

    Can't wait until my health insurance company and employer weigh the cost/benefit ratio for component replacement versus end of lifing the whole device.

    "I'm sorry, you've totalled out our potential benefit from your continued existence."

  36. Windows EyeXP Genuine Advantage by techsimian · · Score: 1

    Your eye has not been authorized, please, visit Microsoft.com to authorize your eye.

  37. The future Ikea by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2

    where everything is made out of meat balls.

  38. Re:Sometime in the future... Hey bro! by webheaded · · Score: 1

    Honestly? It wasn't really funny...it was kind of just dumb. I generally get a few chuckles from things around here but I really didn't laugh at all. This wasn't clever in any way. (D-): Would not read again.

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  39. Re:Sometime in the future... Hey bro! by TheBouncer2006 · · Score: 1

    Oh well.... you win some you lose some..

  40. hardwired in? in most cases, why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I think some people are over-thinking it with regards to bionics. Some replacements can and should be directly connected, like the replacement lenses for eyes, but beyond that, and excepting for other issues of biological senses being damaged, it's just about training yourself to use what senses and body parts that are naturally attached to make use of whatever's going to be "connected" to your body. For example: In effect, your cell phone is a cybernetic enhancement. How many of us twitch and check/send messages with our cell phone without giving it another thought? How many of us actually remember telephone numbers now? Our brains have rewired, and off loaded all our previously remembered contact information to our little auxiliary semi-attached computers. I say semi-attached because where do most of us really go without them now, and how do you feel when the services they supply are unavailable?

    Now ask me how I feel about the idea that my cell phone provider is in effect, charging me/profiting off of/restricting use of what is becoming (effectively) part of my brain.

  41. I've been waiting for the Deus Ex sequel by klifford · · Score: 1

    ... I didn't imagine they'd go this direction with it though.

  42. It's not all candy and rainbows... by Krokus · · Score: 1

    In the future, I suppose sex between cyborgs will suffer new challenges, and the term "locking bumpers" will acquire a new meaning. Either that or we'll need a new USB standard,

  43. If you're into Piracy.. by angiasaa · · Score: 1

    and SOPA/PIPA have their way, they'll probably ensure you get a Hook Prosthesis!

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  44. Adam Jensen Anyone? by manlygeek · · Score: 1

    Just a meme from a game? I think not. Aside from the vendor lock-in that you are imposing on your own body, you will be exponentially widening the gap between the have's and the havenot's. That always becomes pot that boils over and leads to blood shed. Purity First :-)

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  45. Sarif Industries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's just hope it don't need a drug to prevent our bodies from rejecting implants, we know out this will turns out.

  46. And then just like PCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we can experience the joy of obsolesce.
    Sorry little Jimmy this year's leg needs a Socket A44, your stump is only equip with a Socket A22.

  47. What is the point? by DM9290 · · Score: 1

    all I do is sit around in my living room and play video games anyway. What do I need to be able to lift 300kg over my head, or have night vision for?

    this seems like a solution that is crying out for a problem.

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  48. Re:Welcome to reality jackass, where've you been? by Fned · · Score: 1

    I'd like to avoid the tentacle monsters

    That's "tentacle sapients", you insensitive clod.

  49. 20/13 by mcswell · · Score: 1

    20/20 is just average vision, I believe. I was tested some years ago with 20/13 in one eye, and 20/14 in the other. That means I could see at 20 feet what the average person had to stand 13 or 14 feet away in order to see. I'm now quite a bit older, and I doubt that my distance vision is still that good, although I suspect it's still better than 20/20. (My close-up vision, on the other hand...let's just say I've had reading glasses for a number of years.)

    1. Re:20/13 by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I don't know if it's average or median, but 20/20 is considered "normal". Most folks wearing contacts or glasses have better than 20/20 when wearing the lenses, and baseball players with 20/20 get LASIK surgery to make their vision better.

      You need reading glasses because as the eye ages, the focusing lens (not the cornea, the lens behind the iris) hardens. That's what they replaced in my eye, the artificial lens sits on struts inside the lens capsule, allowing the focusing muscles to move it back and forth (the natural lens doesn't move, it stretches).

      After the surgery I had to do exercises on those muscles, because when the lens gets too hard to focus, the muscles atrophy.

  50. Don't read a book more than 3 times... by phanoflife · · Score: 1

    They will shut your eyes off.

  51. Financing it: Possible. by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Well, at least we can get the "paying for that expensive augmentation" part covered.

    Even if your almost non-existant health insurance refuses to pay for anything more expensive than a primitive metal hook, you can still make all the money you need to pay back your tentacled implant by working in the Japanese porn industry.

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