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White House Refuses To Comment On Petition To Investigate Chris Dodd

malraid writes "The White House has issued a statement in which they refuse to comment on the petition to investigate Chris Dodd for bribery from the MPAA to pass legislation. The reason given: 'because it requests a specific law enforcement action.'"

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  1. Dying from lack of surprise... by killfixx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good to know that greed and corruption still rule. I was worried that we may be entering some weird, "by and for the people" period in American history.

    Seriously though, what's it gonna take? How bad does it have to get before Joe Sixpack wakes up and takes notice? How much more before we finally have that revolution?

    I've been fighting with my votes, my dollar, and by educating everyone who will listen. I'm ready to lock and load to get MY America back.

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    1. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly as I predicted when everybody here on Slashdot was insisting the would HAVE TO act.

      This is Obama, he need only make the promise. He doesn't have to DO anything.

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    2. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by dbet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, any one of us can only stop voting for 3 of them. And to be honest, there's a lot of people out there who are totally okay with corruption.

    3. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      its not about obama, dammit.

      it wasn't entirely about bush.

      its ENTIRELY about the system and how anyone who enters leaves corrupt.

      money makes the political system work and that's what's wrong.

      stop pointing fingers at one guy. can't you see beyond that (please?)

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    4. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by epiphani · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm ready to lock and load to get MY America back.

      So as someone from outside (I'm Canadian), I've come to the conclusion that the US will only solve it's issues that way. I'm truly saddened by it, and I hope it's quick and mostly bloodless, but I doubt it will be.

      I know it's not a popular idea, but you have to admit: the level of vitriol in the USA has hit unbelievable levels. It makes my head hurt - for both of the major parties. You don't have political options any more - the only one that is an ACTUAL choice away from more of the same is Ron Paul. Too bad he's so far out to lunch. You're headed towards civil war. And right now all the religions folks have all the guns. Oh the irony.

      I wish you the best of luck. Please, keep your military out of it, and protect your nukes while you sort this shiat out.

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    5. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by TheCouchPotatoFamine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So why don't we do ask this again - and better people then me should phrase it - but this time asking if they think "that type of corruption has is occuring" and "if Chriss Dodd 's actions are aligned with the morals of the administration"? Is this "a cockroach you see", among the thousands we don't? What is the white house's stance on money in politics, and have they investigated others, during the this administration? Who is analyzing finances and trends to spot inconsistencies? Are there any active investigations of this at present?

      it's wrong to just not answer, when they could have made a statement, avoiding the issue of guilt. That's a cop out, and i expect more.

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    6. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by letherial · · Score: 5, Insightful

      and what happens if everyone votes and they are still there? is the minority going to bring arms against majority to have it your way? is that a democracy? Im just challenging your thinking there, that's quite a jump.

    7. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Your little idealistic plea is nice and all, but I hope you see that you're perpetuating the system.

      Prosecuting one person is a good place to start at ending the systematic corruption. Whining about it and trying to divide attention makes it less likely that anything concrete will ever get started. That's why it's good to "point fingers at one guy". I don't think there's a single person that thinks all of the corruption in the entire system is due to one guy, but we need to direct attention somewhere.

    8. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by evanism · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's interesting that outsiders can see the inevitability of civil war isn't it?

      The level of hate, spite, vitriol and absolute us/them divide is obvious for all to see.

      Tiny issues, of no importance, or consequence, are raised to absolute exreme/hate issues. Devicive language, militarized police, extreme violence, ethnic hatred, extreme paranoia, social chaos, endless multiple wars, extremes in poverty/wealth and perverse legal and ethical injustice. There is no middle ground, its all one side or the other.

      It has ticked every single box for catastrophic upheaval.

      Frankly, I will be glad. The USA as an idea has failed its people and I'm tired of the US's enforced exported culture. It is vile.

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    9. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by ArcherB · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, nothing is better than whatever the Repub's do.

      Your comment is the typical Democrat response. Here we have a story about a Democrat who is refusing to investigate another Democrat. Your response? You bad mouth Republicans. Of course, like Obama and all other Democrats, you are incapable of criticizing them, no matter how wrong they are.

      If Dodd were a Republican, the investigation would have been complete long ago, no petitions needed, and you would get first post saying that this is proof positive that Republicans are corrupt.

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    10. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

      Revolution is our birthright as American citizens. Bloodless if possible, bloody if necessary. It is obvious that our government has been twisted against the people it is supposed to be representative of.

      I don't want to hurt anyone, but I will not be a victim. This isn't Iraq, and we're not terrified villagers living in stone age conditions. The people have been asleep for a long time, lulled into a false sense of security by greed and manipulation, but they're finally beginning to wake up, and it's about fucking time...

      It seems clear to me now that the last shred of what made this country great died on 9/11. The terrorists attacked us, but we finished the job all on our own.

    11. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by evilRhino · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let's not pretend that this is a partisan issue. Obama wouldn't investigate illegal activities of the former Republican administration. In fact, he retained many of Bush's people despite running on a platform of "change". Republicans and Democrats are different sides to the same coin. They have no interest in stopping corruption.

    12. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The system is composed of individuals. If you can drag the corruption of individuals out into the public and hold them responsible, you can make others think twice (or more) about their own actions. If reform is to come, it must come one step at a time. It is simply wishful thinking to believe the entire system can be fixed all at once. The starting point is to take individuals to task for their actions. Once that starts happening, you can think about working on the system as a whole. You drag out enough of the corrupt individuals, you will already have a good start on fixing the system.

      If you only work on fixing the system, the still-corrupt individuals will find ways around, somehow. They always do (they always have).

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    13. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by bky1701 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This "bullet box" rhetoric needs to end. The people who mod it up should be ashamed of themselves, and the people who post it ought to be on government watch lists.

      So, people saying what you don't like needs to put people on secret lists so they can be abused by the government while going about their legal business. Gotcha. I think I can see why you're not OK with the original idea.

      How about this: you don't deserve the freedom to post what you just did, and I think you need to be put on a list for conspiring to commit treason (by advocating violation of the constitution). If you can start deciding what is allowed, so can I. See how it works? Grow a brain.

    14. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by artor3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You think the Iraqis were "terrified villagers living in stone age conditions" prior to our showing up? How fucking clueless can you be?

      You're being melodramatic and angsty because it's fun to imagine yourself as a freedom fighter up against some great evil. Let's introduce some perspective. We're talking about some asshole senator who was bribed to help a few companies make more money off of us. Do you have any idea how often that has happened throughout our history? Can you name a single fucking decade in which that has not happened?

      But no, rather than accept that the country will always be messy and that we should do the best we can, you want to burn it all down. You want to kill because Hollywood has taught you that violence can solve all your problems. The scrappy rebels always win and ride off into the sunset.

      Grow up.

    15. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by gd2shoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If Dodd were a Republican, the investigation would have been complete long ago...

      I was with you till this point. It would have been more likely, but only very slightly. Nobody wants to start chucking the corruption grenade around. It might bounce back and bite them.

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    16. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by Albanach · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly as I predicted when everybody here on Slashdot was insisting the would HAVE TO act.

      This is Obama, he need only make the promise. He doesn't have to DO anything.

      Are you seriously suggesting there should be a criminal investigation against anyone where 25,000 people call for it?

      This has nothing to do with Obama. it has everything to do with Federal prosecutors. Write a letter to both the FBI and the US Attorney's Office stating that you believe a crime has been committed that is within their jurisdiction and requesting they investigate. 25,000 letters like that might achieve something.

    17. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by Firehed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's what Thomas Jefferson said to do.

      what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it's natural manure.

      http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/105.html

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    18. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by Phernost · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Excuse me for butchering the quote, "democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner, in a republic the sheep gets a shotgun." Since we live in a republic, it seem to be spot on. Not that I agree with it, but sometimes the majority is wrong. Guns probably won't really help solve it in the long run though, lots of guns might.

    19. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by anagama · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Obama is a fucking Republican you retard. What the fuck does the mainstream Democratic party call someone who is pro-war, pro-surveillance, pro-dronebombing, pro-due-process-free-detention, pro-due-process-free-execution, pro-goldman-sachs, pro-protecting-torturers, pro-persecuting-whistleblowers, pro-PATRIOT-Act ... if Obama is the lesser evil, then lets just get it done with now by getting the greater evil in -- that we can have a revolution sooner and get back to being America. Obama's brand of lesser evil is so fucking evil it makes me want to spit.

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    20. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who do you think is in charge of the FBI and the US Attorney's Office? That's right, the President. Stop being an apologist.

    21. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This "bullet box" rhetoric needs to end. The people who mod it up should be ashamed of themselves, and the people who post it ought to be on government watch lists.

      As a Canadian, it saddens me that there are Americans who don't even understand why the second amendment is enshrined in the constitution.

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    22. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But no, rather than accept that the country will always be messy and that we should do the best we can, you want to burn it all down.

      No, I will not accept that. You want people to just shrug their shoulders and say "Meh, shit's fucked up, shit's always been fucked up, so fuck it?" Bullshit all over that. You be as complacent as you fucking want. I know we can do better.

      I don't want it to come to that point, I really don't. But like I said, I will not be a victim. I'm not going to sit idly by and watch our right to privacy be taken away, our right to free speech taken away, our right to freely move about the country taken away, our right to be secure both in our person and property taken away. Our own government has been doing this to us at a fever pitch for the last fucking decade, not fucking Al Qaeda, not Osama bin Laden, not Saddam Hussein, not Iran, not China. This was our own fucking government doing this bullshit, across all three branches, and the people just repeated the same old litany "Well, if it makes us safer..."

      Fuck that bullshit. No more. Put your hands over your ears and keep repeating "it's not that bad, it's not that bad, it's not that bad..." if that's what you want to do, but forgive me and the millions of other people that actually believe in something better for not being quite ready to bend over and get fucked with the rest of the cattle.

    23. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by CelticWhisper · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've usually seen it written as "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote."

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    24. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by artor3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry, but have you ever hear the little song behind the word "jingoism"?

      We don't want to go to war but by Jingo if we do
      We've got the ships, we've got the men, we've got the money too

      That's how you're coming across. "I don't want to kill people to get my way, but..."

      Things in this country aren't bad enough to warrant the sort of massive, decades long bloodshed you're talking about. Not even close. We can turn things around through peaceful means. You're looking at one tiny slice of history and declaring that this is the worst things have ever been. It's not. Not even close.

      Not long ago, a huge portion of the country was treated as subhuman while our leaders were playing with the idea of wiping out human civilization. We got through that, and we can sure as hell get through this. The only thing we need is the will to try. If all the people who have given up on politics were to get off their asses and vote in the general election AND THE PRIMARIES then we could fix this all in short order. But instead they figure that their one vote won't make a difference and so they don't bother. And then when their non-vote doesn't elicit change, they decide that the whole system is FUBAR'ed and start talking about mass murder to solve their problems. Can you really not see how stupid and self-defeating that is?

    25. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm a vet who has fought for this country, for our liberties and our way of life

      Unless you're old enough to have mustered out in 1945, this statement is false. You may have fought for something, all right, but it wasn't for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

      At least not for you and me.

    26. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by evanism · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As so they did to Rome. As an idea it worked. But only for those it worked for. The rest were slaves, conquered and crucified.

      Cruelty and injustice were exported. Wars were endless.

      Tyranny or empire might look just, even effective, but it eventually gets on everyone's goat. If you are within the system and benefiting, one cannot see the problems until viewed from the outside.

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    27. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by evanism · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Perhaps, AC, you struggle from reading English. It is blunt from my text, and the OP that we are not American, nor do we live in the USA.

      Your language and absolute rejection of critique and the nature of it is EXACTLY my point.

      Nobody here "hates" the USA. We despise the one eyed ignorant and devicive viewpoints.

      Maybe you have trolled me. Point struck then, sir, but I suspect you are a typical citizen. ....And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

      There is one to bake your noodle.

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    28. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Interesting

      To get my way? I just want to be left the fuck alone! I want the government to stop listening in on my fucking phone calls, stop scraping my instant messages, stop trying to give me the fucking finger in the ass routine every time I have the audacity to get on an airplane, stop handing over my fucking tax dollars to goddamned Wall Street bankers, stop allowing these parasites we call "corporations" to put slaves across the world to work and bring their wares here for nothing while 1 in 5 of us are either unemployed or underemployed, stop allowing our infrastructure here to fucking fall apart while we're helping other countries build....

      The government has been wiping it's ass with the Bill of Rights for decades, but the last few years or so they've been ramping up. They see the writing on the wall. They know the jig is up, so they're making their last ditch cash/power grabs while enough people still have the faith in their government necessary to facilitate it. Once that's gone, it's all over. The locusts will pick up and move on to greener pastures while we fucking eat each other. The Occupy protests are going to look like a block party a year from now.

      I understand your point, I really do, but I truly believe it's too late for that now. We're stuck in a positive feedback loop. There's only going to be more civil disobedience, resulting in more of our rights being taken away, resulting in more civil disobedience, resulting in more rights taken away, resulting in more civil disobedience...you get my point. You may not share my opinions, but to be honest, I'd rather be prepared for that eventuality than not, and since buying more than 7 days worth of food or owning multiple guns is probably enough to get you on some government watch list (if me simply talking about my extreme dissatisfaction with my government as of late isn't enough), I'm probably fucked. But I am not going to be a victim.

    29. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by artor3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Obama is a Republican circa 1990. Modern Republicans add pro-corporate-personhood, anti-Medicare, anti-Social-Security, anti-taxes-of-any-kind (except sales taxes since they target the working class), anti-regulation, anti-intellectual, pro-occupation (very different from the Libya war), and so on to the list.

      The entire country has moved to the right. Democrats are where the Republicans used to be, and Republicans are out in Crazy Town (pop. Way Too Many).

    30. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by Rakarra · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's interesting that outsiders can see the inevitability of civil war isn't it?

      Maybe they're young.
      Or they have short memories.

      But what we have today is nothing, nothing compared to the 60s and 70s.

    31. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by artor3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If a 270 year old dead guy told you to jump off a bridge, would you?

      Stop prostrating yourself at the feet of the founding fathers. They were men, not gods. They did a pretty decent job, all things considered, but they don't have all the answers. And if you find you must follow the teachings of some old dead guy instead of analyzing situations for yourself, then why Jefferson? Why not Gandhi, or Jesus? They might tell you to do something very different.

    32. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by gmhowell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sure he also envisioned a bunch of intellectuals debating theory, but who did he propose would lead this said 'revolt'?

      "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..."

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    33. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by locopuyo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Eric Holder got off scott free for shipping guns to Mexican drug cartels. This country is gone.

    34. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by Tastecicles · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Partisan politics operating under colour of Democracy is an abject failure in its theory but NONE OF YOU SHEEP CAN SEE IT.

      What Partisan politics do is polarise one group of people against another - much as what we're seeing here. RvD, two sides fighting each other instead of fighting the REAL ENEMY which is the criminal element RUNNING YOUR COUNTRY.

      What changes when the regime changes?

      NOTHING.

      Why?

      The promises might be slightly different, but the endgames in any case are EXACTLY THE SAME. Gain at the expense of EVERYBODY ELSE.

      Fuck you lot, as long as you keep consuming and breeding more consumers and continue to buy into the Great Fiscal Lie, then the 1% will continue to divide you and they will continue to control you, all the time further abrogating your rights previously guaranteed by a two hundred fifty-odd year old piece of parchment!

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    35. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by Nikker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is topical and relevant to the conversation. The American Founding Fathers were inundated by intrests other than what they though was right. They wrote down their experiences and came up with the best way they knew how to make sure divide and conquer tactics would not work. The people could decide amongst themselves their destinations in their own lives and with whom they wished to travel with. This is shown by the First Amendment.

      While not being from the US but close by I can understand why people would refrence the American Founding Fathers in a time where the same issues they face are being encountered today.

      No loaves, no wine, no song, just politics.

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    36. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was listening up to "teabagger". Anyone that would smear an entire group of people with a crude sexual slur just because they disagree with them can't be too bright.

    37. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...[people who vote] are brainwashed [into thinking] the government will make everything better despite them always making it worse right in front of them

      Caution; answering "no" to any of the following questions may reveal that it's you who has been brainwashed into denying what is right in front of you...

      Do you really think a public sewerage system is worse than emptying your bedpan on the street?
      Do you really think chlorinated water is worse than cholera and dysentery?
      Do you really think crossing a public bridge is worse than travelling 200miles out of your way to ford a river?

      Disclaimer: I have been homeless but I've never been so mindless as to take government mandated 'luxuries' for granted.

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    38. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by localtoast · · Score: 5, Funny

      en-US is open source. TJ had his own branch. Just sync to his branch, and you'll be fine.

    39. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by Mabhatter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Because Cheney built up an impressive array of "civil servants" (much like in Torchwood) that are all unelected, highly powerful people. Obama really couldn't do the job without them... Cheney and Rumsfield go all the way back to Nixon. They made impressive gains at shaking out the upper and middle military ranks of officers "disloyal" to the PNAC agenda, along with a few high profile firings, and throwing opponents from their OWN party under the bus as an example.

      In short, Bush was part in creating a stitation where a large part of upper government is established for the next 20 years. There is really little Obama can responsibly do at this point... Fire half the generals during a war? Most of the upper Executive agencies were "packed" in the ranks with people aligned with Cheney's agenda.

      The biggest indicator for me was how in the middle of a "war" the President didn't groom ANYBODY from his OWN party to continue the work? You really gotta hand it to them.

      Philosophically, this is where Neo-Cons are using their "corporate" attitude so they don't have to worry about elections to advance their agenda. Fill the CIA with leaders that will report a "terrorist" under every rock, and the current President has to act on "expert" advice.. The same tounges quiet to Bush's foibles will wag to the press about Obama in a minute. It plays right into the Democrats ideal that people in government want the "best" for "everybody" but they have been played since Clinton and even Carter by the other side packing the ranks of people that are supposed to be experts and non-partisian.

    40. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, it's craptastic that Dodd isn't getting investigated [at least, not publicly].

      Wow, why wasnt this your sentiment when you posted the first time? I think that you are mad that you have to admit it.

      But it's not like the republican's fall all over themselves to investigate fellow republican's when they are in charge.

      There you go, bashing Republicans again...

      You couldn't even go more than one complete sentences without transforming back into a Republican basher. The Democrats and their actions are the ones being discussed, but you can't stand it.

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    41. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or, you know, he could just be choosing a quote that matches his personal views because it happens to put them over well, and of course suggests that famous and generally respected people share his ideas.

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    42. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Informative

      I just re-read the letter which that quote is taken from. Thomas Jefferson was saying that while these rebels were ignorant and misinformed, they were correct to rebel on the basis of what they understood and that it would be bad for the country if a time ever arose where people did not rebel when they had such understandings of what was going on, even if those understandings where wrong. He was saying that the government must know that if it allows the populace to develop such misconceptions, the populace will rebel. The fact of the matter is. our government has discovered that when the American people of today believe similar abuses of power are occurring they will not rise up in rebellion. Once it became apparent that the people would not rise up in rebellion against the misperception of abuse of power, it was only a short time until those in power, rather than attempt to show the people that they were not so abusing their power, began to actually abuse their power in the manner which people had beforehand misperceived them to do.

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    43. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The entire country has moved to the right. Democrats are where the Republicans used to be, and Republicans are out in Crazy Town (pop. Way Too Many).

      Actually, there's a massive disconnect between the politicians and the people of the United States. If the country were majority rule, which it isn't, marijuana would be legalized, gay marriage would be legal in more places, we would be completely out of Afghanistan and Iraq (not the "we're out, but there are drones and 15,000 soldiers / mercenaries to ... uh ... protect our embassy" version), many congresspersons would be indicted for bribery, many many banking executives (as well as some other corporate executives) would be indicted for multi-billion dollar fraud, the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau would be operating with full force, thousands of foreclosures would be ruled invalid and the people's homes restored, Bradley Manning and Julian Assange would be free, and there'd quite possibly be a massive public works program to keep people employed.

      And that's why both the Tea Party and the Occupiers exist - the system is failing to respond to what the people want.

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    44. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by LoyalOpposition · · Score: 5, Funny

      Which is a call to authority, that is to say, a fallacy.

      Did someone tell you that?

      ~Loyal

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    45. Re:Dying from lack of surprise... by silentcoder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And THAT my friends is another example of a fallacy. In this case the false dichotomy.

      The poster is attempting to imply that to reject the fallacy of call-to-authority one must reject anything learned from another person, implying that all knowledge is either brand new or a call to authority.

      That is of course, a false dichotomy as those are NOT the only types of knowledge that exists. There is also knowledge backed up by empirical evidence. There are arguments founded on solid logical principles and valid conclusions - and that's just two other kinds.

      The point of the call to authority fallacy is to teach us, when evaluating an idea that:
      It's not about who said it, it's about whether what was said is a good argument.
      To judge the merit of the claim not the merit of the speaker. Why ? Because wise people still say stupid shit sometimes.

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  2. Alright by Jethro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So lets go ask specific law enforcement agencies.

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  3. Did anyone really expect anything else? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The worst part about this petition and the result, is that it will get basically zero media coverage. All of the mainstream news organizations are tied into SOPA and the lobbyists just as tightly as Dodd.

  4. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can't petition to have someone arrested/investigated/incarcerated. Can you?

    If there's a suspicion of illegality, the law enforcement agency is the place to go, not the president. pffft

    1. Re:What? by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Informative

      ...And the President constitutionally shouldn't be able to make laws that bypass congress, yet they have done it all the time via executive orders. The President shouldn't be able to order the targeted death of US citizens but yet the current president did it just fine. Etc.

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  5. Darn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Darn. If only there were a department we could go to in order to get justice. We could even fill it with lawyers who could prosecute people who broke the law. Put someone in charge of it who people couldn't mess with - like a government official or something.

  6. So let me get this straight... by kenh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We can petiition the White House to answer, on the record, any question as long as it is neither too specific NOR leads to a law enforcement action?

    And the point of this 'service' is what, exactly? To provoke the administration to opine about non-specific social issues?

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    1. Re:So let me get this straight... by ktappe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And the point of this 'service' is what, exactly? To provoke the administration to opine about non-specific social issues?

      Apparently the point of the service is to make it look like the White House is listening to the people. Look like. Not actually are.

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  7. Re:Executive branch by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Executive Branch delegates that to the Attorney General/US DOJ. Also, I see the lack of comment as a good thing, because if they didn't take this matter seriously, they'd have simply stated it had been dismissed out of hand. In this case though, it seems they do take it seriously.

    Keep in mind that no Police Investigation aside from those run by the Keystone Cops starts with a public announcement saying they will investigate.
    They say they are investigating *after* news outlets like CNN and FOX have reported that a bunch of FBI Agents raided offices and took away records and computers from those offices. Why give Dodd any more opportunity to hide, destroy evidence?

  8. Re:Executive branch by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Interesting

    He probably didn't break the law, and that's the sad truth. There's a very fine line, maybe a smudge, between being paid for votes, and being paid because you support a platform. They amount to the same thing, at the end of the day, but one is illegal and the other isn't. What he said on Fox news was probably not illegal either, once put in this framework. It would shake my confidence if I ever had any.

  9. Campaign contributions are not bribes by voss · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nobody will be prosecuted....too many people already say "If so so doesn't vote my way Im not gonna contribute to his campaign." OR "If you support my bill I will contribute to your campaign" the promises are vague and non-specific.

    "...if the payments are made in return for an explicit promise or undertaking by the official to perform or not to perform an official act. In such situations the official asserts that his official conduct will be controlled by the terms of the promise or undertaking." McCormick v. United States, 500 U.S. 257 (1991)

      On the other hand if Dodd had said "If you support SOPA I will give your campaign $50,000" that would be quid pro quo. A threat to withhold support is not bribery. There has to be an explicit offer or threat. Campaign contributions have a higher standard of proof for bribery allegations than say a private payment.

  10. Re:Executive branch by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    people growing up, NOW, can realize this. the internet teaches much more of the truth than the textbooks or teachers (are allowed or will).

    we didn't have any kind of internet (not even BBS dialup, at the time) and our means to share info was very local and very limited. we were brought up in near total ignorance. 'trust authority'. all that stuff - that we now know is opposite and untrue.

    today, kids DO have the ability to hear more than one side of the story. well, for as long as the internet remains free...

    I hope that over the next 20 or so years, this generation weeds out the older guys and pushes thru a new style. I have zero hope for today's old rulers, but tomorrow's rulers could actually be from an informed base.

    and sadly, I think the old guys in charge know this, too. they want to milk things as they are for the next 5-25 years, until *they* die out. after that, they don't much care how the world runs. but they do want to keep the world and power base as it is right now.

    the struggle is: do we allow that and for how much longer?

    this is the class war. its real. its simmering, but its growing, to be sure.

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  11. That's how it works. by Sturm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obama is the President. Obama HAS been the President for several years.

    That's how it works.

    Blame Bush all you want for taxes or the economy or high gas prices or even pimples on your ass if it makes you feel better.

    Obama is the current President and his administration is in charge. He should be held accountable for NOT holding people account for things that happen on his watch.

    1. Re:That's how it works. by gd2shoe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I know it won't make you feel any better, but those of us living (and voting) here in the US feel the same way. When all you have to vote for is the lesser of two evils, you still wind up with electing evil. Not every political race deserves such a jaded attitude, but enough of them do to bork the system.

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    2. Re:That's how it works. by Pikoro · · Score: 4, Funny

      See, now if you would have tweeted that, you would get a free ticket back to your country, compliments of the DHS :)

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      "Freedom in the USA is not the ability to do what you want. It is the ability to stop others from doing what THEY want"
  12. the plutocracy sucks by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the bloodshed you endorse is far, far worse

    little boys like you who have never known real revolution are historically illiterate fools. we will not have a revolution in this country until we are pushed much, much further. and that is a good thing

    you don't have the slightest fucking clue of the misery of what a real revolution really is like. i hate the very concept of intellectual property and i hate the plutocracy infecting the country i love. but i am no friend of yours, and the likes of you disgust me far more than chris dodd ever will. at least chris dodd won't lock and load and embrace borderline schizophrenic hollywood addled visions of "glorious" revolutionary bloodshed

    fuck you, you gunhappy tool. if we are ever to actually have real fascism in this country, people who think like you, all to ready and happy to grab a gun, will be at the vanguard of this country's collapse into it, guided by demagogues who know all too well how to pull the strings in your ignorant bloodlust drunk mind

    revolution means failure you asshole. you are supposed to fix the system, not start shooting people you

    have i made my disgust of your ignorant bloodlust clear? then grow the fuck up

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    1. Re:the plutocracy sucks by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

      no we have assholes who have no clue what real fascism is and water down the real horror of the term by applying it to every minor quibble they have with the idea of authority. see: teenagers calling their parents fascists. see also how the term terrorism is abused and watered down by ignorants and demagogues

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  13. No. The petition asked for the wrong thing. by tlambert · · Score: 4, Informative

    The correct request for a petition would be to impeach Dodd for high crimes and misdemeanors.

    The impeachment process may be triggered by non-members. For example, when the Judicial Conference of the United States suggests a federal judge be impeached, a charge of what actions constitute grounds for impeachment may come from a special prosecutor, the President, a state or territorial legislature, grand jury, or by petition.

    .

    hhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States#The_federal_impeachment_procedure

    A high crime is one which seeks the overthrow of the country, which gives aid or comfort to its enemies, or which injures the country to the profit of an individual or group.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_crimes_and_misdemeanours

    Despite that he left office on 3 Jan 2011 and went on to head the MPAA in March 2011, and therefore was not in office, there is precedent for impeaching a government official after leaving office. That precedent is the 1876 case of General William Belknap, who was impeached by a unanimous vote of the House of Representatives shortly after he had resigned for allegedly having received money in return for post tradership appointments (bribery).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_W._Belknap

    Other precedents also exist. Feel free to consult a real lawyer before submitting the next petition so that a stronger case can be made and actually trigger action.

    -- Terry

  14. Re:More Republican Poutrage by rednip · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Chris Dodd is hardly the only politician who has done such a thing, and there is currently no law against it unless there is an actual promised payment (even Delay/Gingrich have been smart enough to avoid that). Some might argue that there should be laws against such 'retirement plans' for politicians, but it would be hard to enforce, and likely unconstitutional. There are however laws against money laundering and using foreign bank accounts for tax evasion, perhaps Mitt has been completely honest, perhaps not. As 'we' all know, online polls are easy to game, it wouldn't be hard to ask them to investigate using a couple of thousand email addresses.

    Whenever the GOP is in power they seem to spend more time grandstanding for political advantage than doing the work of the people (for example, 'where's that jobs bill?').

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