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Do You Like Online Privacy? You May Be a Terrorist

schwit1 passes on this snippet from Public Intelligence: "A flyer designed by the FBI and the Department of Justice to promote suspicious activity reporting in internet cafes lists basic tools used for online privacy as potential signs of terrorist activity. The document, part of a program called 'Communities Against Terrorism,' lists the use of 'anonymizers, portals, or other means to shield IP address' as a sign that a person could be engaged in or supporting terrorist activity. The use of encryption is also listed as a suspicious activity along with steganography, the practice of using 'software to hide encrypted data in digital photos' or other media. In fact, the flyer recommends that anyone 'overly concerned about privacy' or attempting to 'shield the screen from view of others' should be considered suspicious and potentially engaged in terrorist activities. ... The use of PGP, VPNs, Tor or any of the many other technologies for anonymity and privacy online are directly targeted by the flyer, which is distributed to businesses in an effort to promote the reporting of these activities."

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  1. The power of privacy by bonch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place." - Eric Schmidt, Google CEO

    "[There's an] error in logic that leads to short-sighted conceptions of privacy like Schmidt's. ... Google, governments, and technologists need to understand more broadly that ignoring privacy protections in the innovations we incorporate into our lives not only invites invasions of our personal space and comfort, but opens the door to future abuses of power." - EFF

    Can you believe that the Internet was once considered a place to escape identity? Where anonymity reigned? It's pretty amazing in retrospect how quickly that changed, and the way people are now trained to reveal everything on Facebook and Twitter is creating a society that doesn't understand the value and the power of their personal information. They're willing to reveal all, to act as better products for advertisers and to avoid suspicion from overbearing governments.

    1. Re:The power of privacy by repapetilto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even if you don't care if the government knows everything about you... do you trust them to keep your info safe from hackers? Do you want ME to know everything you do?

    2. Re:The power of privacy by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not an error in logic. Eric Schmidt knows exactly what he's arguing for.

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    3. Re:The power of privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is just another example of just how far out of touch the US Government is in technology.

      I swear...armed uprising might soon be the only way to restore the country to some semblance of normalcy, where the government works FOR the people, not against us all.

      AC to prevent an anonymous black van from showing up at my door.

    4. Re:The power of privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      What's your Facebook username, citizen?

      You have to ask?

    5. Re:The power of privacy by Tsingi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even if you don't care if the government knows everything about you...

      I do care. The government has powers it should not have. The less they know about me the better. And everyone else for that matter.

      If you want to know something about me, ask, if I want to tell you, I will.

    6. Re:The power of privacy by mrclisdue · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...AC to prevent an anonymous black van from showing up at my door...

      I could do the old ftfy crap, but posting AC perhaps adds a weak layer of obscurity, but it won't necessarily prevent our rulers from showing up: your anonymity depends hugely on what other steps you may have taken to shield your id....

      But the old "only terrorists have something to hide" ideology has become so ingrained in our society that it's sickening. In these parts there was a campaign to swab all the men in town for dna (they were looking for a serial rapist, or something along those lines.) At the press conference, the spokesman for the police said exactly that, "If someone doesn't want to be swabbed, they're obviously hiding something." And pretty well everyone I mentioned this to over the next few weeks absolutely agreed. I didn't get swabbed. Two detectives showed up at my door. I *think* I convinced them that I was refusing, on principle, but I really can't be sure now, can I?

      cheers,

    7. Re:The power of privacy by hobarrera · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In that case, Schmidt, can I have access to all your files, including google's algorithm?

    8. Re:The power of privacy by rst123 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place." - Eric Schmidt, Google CEO

      So I assume that Google has posted their financials, algorithms, complete business plans, etc on the open web? or maybe they are planning on shutting down and disbanding?

    9. Re:The power of privacy by mhajicek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would like to report the FBI for suspicious terrorist activity as described in the above referenced brochure.

    10. Re:The power of privacy by master_kaos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ok Eric Schmidt, I want to know your SSN, CC info, bank account numbers. Oh you don't want me to know that? Guess you shouldn't do online banking, purchasing from amazon, etc.

    11. Re:The power of privacy by hierophanta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      that is a categorically false statement. people on facebook and twitter want you to know certain things about them. (for example people dont post when they accidentally shit themselves, but taking shots with hotties = post!)

      some people (like myself) make a point to tailor the information that is posted / accessible so that i am seen in only a certain light. this has become increasingly important as companies use our social presence to make decisions about us. to the point that i created a twitter with my real name so that i can have what i post that definitely attributed to myself. (its all work related and makes me seem like a hero). if you havent done this yet, do it now. and post there every so often with a mind to create a stellar professional image.

    12. Re:The power of privacy by AnokWati · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, everyone in the military because they're required to use display shields and VPN when working from anywhere outside their offices. But, according to Secretary Nepolitano, all military personnel (ex or current) are potential terrorists anyways, so why not?

    13. Re:The power of privacy by slack_justyb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the spokesman for the police said exactly that, "If someone doesn't want to be swabbed, they're obviously hiding something."

      Yes that's exactly what a investigator would say. The quote doesn't break the law by forcing people to swab. That's the thing, you still have the option to refuse. Dragnet style investigations aren't anything new, it's just the newest label is terrorist. Police officers are out there to catch criminals and if they have no clue as to who to catch, they'll suspect everyone till they, "find their man."

      I won't get into the whole legal thing, but basically police officers can say pretty much whatever they want to say about the public at large or to anyone who refuses to cooperate. It's when they *do* something that impedes your freedom that they've crossed the line. However, the story that you gave above, is pretty normal rhetoric.

      1. 1. Make everyone feel like a criminal
      2. 2. Give a path to salvation (ie: mouth swab)
      3. 3. Make the path to salvation optional (to keep it legal) and damn those who do not comply
      4. 4. Annoy the hell out of anyone who doesn't comply
      5. 5. Stop short, of crossing boundaries, but hey the guy probably isn't a lawyer so let's test the waters.
      6. 6. Profit!

      I'm not saying that it's moral and at times it could be illegal, but there again, you'd need to be a lawyer to know the diff. [sarcasm]You a have problem with that? The you must be terrorist[/sarcasm] Seriously though, this tactic only works when people buy into the message, so you're looking at a problem of the people and not so much as the cops.

    14. Re:The power of privacy by tqk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When you go to the store to buy something, people have an opportunity to notice your activities.

      Use cash?

      If you use Google, its absurd to demand they forget what you tell them to of the encounter.

      You do realize there are other search engines out there, some of which at least purport to respect privacy? I prefer ixquick.com.

      The government should have certain limits ...

      It appears that boat's already sailed. Gmail uses https, doesn't it? That's crypto, so every gmail user is a potential terrorist! When your gov't is telling its people that normal, everyday practices used by millions of average, law abiding citizens are suspicious activities denoting terrorist activities, the gov't is out of control in its quest for control/power over the populace. No, perfect anonymity never existed, but now, any anonymity is seen as suspicious behaviour to be reported to the Stasi, er, authorities.

      That being said, this flyer is hilarious.

      I think you misspelled atrocious, infuriating, insulting, insane, or something.

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    15. Re:The power of privacy by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Besides didn't anybody learn ANYTHING from Watergate? The whole point of that break in was to dig dirt that could then be thrown at the opposition. Now imagine they have a nice little list of every website you've been to for say the last 5 years and you start stirring up trouble. Lets say you start a local occupy chapter, or you start a grass roots campaign to get some crooked official impeached or block some odious bill the megacorps want passed. Do you REALLY want every single thing you have ever typed and every single website you've ever visited to be sitting there in a file waiting for them to distort it? I can just imagine the kind of stuff they could throw at me since I keep a list of "look at teh titties!" topsites and "Free viagra!" crapsites I use to test various free antivirus and antimalware solutions on these off lease boxes I have around. It makes it easy for me to idiot proof boxes for my customers but in the right hands i'm sure they could make me into some giant perv.

      All movements that get anywhere anymore start at the grass roots and gain popular support. Having access to all this info would have made someone like Nixon cream himself in delight, as it would be easy to warp and twist even the most innocent thing into something they could use against you. hell working PC sales and repair i can't tell you the number of times I've seen truly innocent mistakes get someone's PC turned into a spambot or infected with a porn bug. Like if you would have seen the traffic logs of a local minister two years ago you would have thought him to be a giant perv but the poor schmuck bought one of those USB external drives with a preloaded malware and when he saw the .exe sitting on the drive he thought it was some free software that came with the drive and ran it. it turned out to be a clickjacker bug that was throwing popups to every kind of topsite and crapsite known to man to crank up the clicks.

      Now what if that minister had been trying to build a grassroots support for an investigation into something like say Fast & Furious? Or for some dirty dealing at the Fed? Frankly with the history of the three letter agencies in this country I don't trust them any farther than i can throw them and the LAST thing we need to do is make it even easier for them to build up dossiers on everybody. Between their own dirty dealings and getting in bed with megacorps frankly i'd be less worried about a hacker like you getting it than some corp or 3 letter agency deciding they needed to smack down a few peons that were getting uppity.

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    16. Re:The power of privacy by Samalie · · Score: 5, Informative

      While I won't comment on everything...

      Get stopped for a random breath test, and the cops can rip the contents of your mobile for whatever reason, just like they can ask you to pop the trunk for whatever reason.

      Bullshit. Repeat after me: "I do not consent to a search"

      The cops can ASK you if they can search you, your car, etc all they want. Without a warrant or evidence that a crime is being committed, they CANNOT search your person or property without your consent.

      I do not consent to a search. Know your rights!

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    17. Re:The power of privacy by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Informative

      Repeat after me: "I do not consent to a search"

      Repeat after me: "The patriot act allows searches without a warrant within 100 miles of any US border." By which I mean legal in the sense that the law says so, though the constitution obviously forbids this outright, not that the constitution matters any longer. According to 2007 figures from the US Census Bureau, 197.4 million people, 2/3 of the United States' population, including the entire state of Florida, live within this adjacent-border strip.

      You might want to start reading here, then Google further.

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  2. They aren't wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These might be signs of someone being a terrorist. It's just that 99.9% aren't and you're basically taking away privacy from everyone by treating the use of such tools as being suspicious. It's exactly what terrorists want to achieve.

  3. Chicken or egg? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Like privacy? You may be a terrorist!"

    It's thinking like that which risks turning me into a terrorist.

    1. Re:Chicken or egg? by mayko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Like privacy? You may be a terrorist!"

      It's thinking like that which risks turning me into a terrorist.

      I know what you're getting at, but you would really be an activist. Protesting and revolting directly against those infringing on your rights is a core American value. Some would say there is a fine line between activism and terrorism... lately however I think the line is finer between authoritative government and terrorism.

    2. Re:Chicken or egg? by PortHaven · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Founding Fathers were largely considered to be terrorists by the British.

      My personal definition of terrorists is one who targets and attacks civilians.

      Hijacking the planes, an act of terrorism.
      Crashing planes into the Twin Towers, an act of terrorism.
      Crashing planes into the Pentagon, a legitimate act of war.

      Had 9-11 involved a UPS cargo plane being crashed into the Pentagon I would not have called them terrorists.

      Bombing of the U.S.S. Cole was not an act of terrorism, it was an act of partisan warfare.

  4. Sounds like the Drug Wars by mbone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember the loathsome brochures passed around in the Government during the Reagan / G.H.W. Bush drug wars years. They basically boiled down to

    - anyone acting strangely might be on drugs, and
    - anyone not acting strangely might be on drugs, and covering it up.

    Sounds like the DOJ is falling down the same rathole once again.

  5. Welcome privacy advocates... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Welcome privacy advocates to the Accused of Being A Terrorist While Doing Nothing Wrong Club. Take a seat over there next to the Photographers (because terrorists will really cart around a DSLR and tripod in their terrifying terroristic travels).

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  6. Code? by Bucky24 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Suspicious or coded writings, use of code word sheets, cryptic ledgers, etc"

    To the average citizen, most programming languages would fit this.

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    1. Re:Code? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Suspicious or coded writings, use of code word sheets, cryptic ledgers, etc"

      To the average citizen, most programming languages would fit this.

      To the average (US) citizen, simple declarative English sentences would fit this.

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    2. Re:Code? by idontgno · · Score: 5, Interesting

      According to Esperantist legend, when Zamenhof (the initial creator of the Esperanto language) went to medical school, his father found his initial work notes on the language and burned it all, fearing that it was evidence that young Zamenhof was a spy.

      This was in 1881, according to the sources I could find. So the "OMG SEECRET CODEZ" panic is well over a century old, at least.

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    3. Re:Code? by trout007 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ever try reading a bill passed by congress?

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  7. Working = Terrorism? by Wamoc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So this means that anytime I am at a public place and fire up a VPN to access work materials I am engaged in terrorist activities? Hopefully tech companies will shed some light over how absurd the FBI and DoJ are being on this.

    1. Re:Working = Terrorism? by kdekorte · · Score: 5, Informative

      This was my first thought. I use VPNs and my corporate security policy discourages allowing people to view your screen. Plus we use PGP and other technologies to secure the company data. So basically if you are a remote worker you must be involved in terrorism based on the summary.

  8. Every child in America a potential Terrorist by Ragnarok89 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Suspicious communications using VOIP or communicating through a PC game" Seriously!? Communicating through a videogame? By that definition every single child who plays online computer games that allow them to talk to others is a potential threat. I wonder what that means for all those who play Modern Warfare and the like? Maybe they're TRAINING to be terrorists! The US lawmakers sicken me.

  9. Re:I'll Become One by JobyOne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Rights become crimes, making more criminals out of thin air. Suddenly there's a lot of crime going on, so we strip more rights, to deal with all the crimes. It's pretty damn circular.

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  10. Disclaimer at the end by sloth10k · · Score: 5, Informative

    At the bottom of the flyer: "Each indictor listed above is by itself lawful conduct or behavior and may also constitute the exercise of rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution." Don't let pesky details get in the way, JRIC...

  11. Re:Like a Founding Father, count me in.... by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Informative

    So I guess our founding fathers were Terrorists then....

    Actually, yeah, they kind of were. They attacked, tarred, and feathered agents of the government. Held ships captive and destroyed their cargo. They secretly met, recruited, trained, and distributed propoganda. They illegally stored heavy weapons (Lexington and Concorde came as a direct result of th British attempting to locate and destroy weapons cahes of powder and cannon). Remember, our rebellion started out as an insurgency more than an open war, and in its early stages there is not much of a difference between terrorism and insurgencies. Probably the only difference is thatour founding fathers did not go out and hurt innocent people or kill civilians. Their targets were always governmetn agents or those representing government interests. That, and they for the most part adhered to the standard rules of war (except for hit and run attacks and snipers/intentional targeting of officers). So, while they could certainly be labelled terrorists, they should not be confused with the terrorists of today.

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  12. Re:Or simply wanking to porn by Heed00 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who wants to be disturbed by CIA/FBI when touching one's genitals?

    Fans of Tom Clancy.

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  13. Self-generated work a problem with law enforcement by Animats · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A useful metric for law enforcement organizations is what fraction of their work is self-generated, and what fraction is complaint-driven. When a police department responds to a call to 911 or a crime report, they're performing a service function. When they run a drug sting, they're doing self-generated work. Some self-generated law enforcement work is useful and necessary, but too much of it corrupts an organization.

    The FBI was traditionally complaint-driven. Historically, their self-generated work didn't go well. The Red Squads and the investigation of the civil rights movement of the Hoover era are historical examples.

    The FBI's anti-terrorism operation is mostly self-generated work. So is their Internet operation. (40% of FBI Internet investigative resources are devoted to kiddie porn. Most of the rest is "national security". Fraud on the Internet, about 4%. The FBI is soft on Internet fraud - stopping that takes real work, and results are measurable.)

    Measurability is the big issue here. On their complaint-based work, law enforcement success rates are easily measured. There were N bank robberies last year, and the people who did M of them were caught. Success rate: M / N. Running a law enforcement operation on that basis keeps it productive and honest. Metrics for self-generated police work tend to be less meaningful. The US has had so little terrorism in the last decade that metrics for that are mostly have an N of zero.

    Measurability was William Bratton's approach. Bratton headed the Boston PD, the NYPD, and the LAPD, and is generally considered to have improved all of them. He was big on measuring results, and put in systems to track, on a daily basis, how his cops were doing against crooks. There was a lot of software and mapping involved, and twice-weekly crime strategy meetings. In a big department, it was quite possible to have a whole crime spree before someone at the command level noticed a pattern. He fixed that. Focusing his cops on solving identified problems tended to keep his departments pointed in the right direction.

  14. I'm Guilty by afabbro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd like to point out that I was, indeed, using a computer (with privacy tools) in an Internet Cafe in California (an airport, no less!) only last month, after having traveled an illogical distance and despite having robust residential Internet access.

    While doing so, I did download content with extremely violent themes and military tactics. Indeed, the material enthusiastically described the ruthless, near-extermination of a freedom-loving people by a warlike, non-Christian foreign power bent on world conquest. The material was written by leader of these warlike people, and frankly I was rooting for him.

    If I have to go to prison for reading Julius Caesar's Commentaries on the Gallic War, so be it. Sic Semper...wait a minute...

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