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Proposed Law Would Give DHS Power Over Privately Owned IT Infrastructure

CelticWhisper writes "H.R. 3674, the Promoting and Enhancing Cybersecurity and Information Sharing Effectiveness Act (PRECISE Act), would allow the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to require improved security practices from those businesses managing systems whose disruption could prove detrimental to critical life-sustaining or national-security initiatives." As the article points out, this is just "one of 30 or so such bills currently percolating on the Hill."

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  1. Please tell me why.... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Republicans all scream for "smaller government" yet they happily sign any bill that gives away rights to the Gubment for "fighting TERRORISIM"

    Bunch of hypocrites they all are.

    It seems that nothing but evil comes out of washington DC anymore.

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    1. Re:Please tell me why.... by MitchDev · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Republicans have NEVER been for smaller government actually, they just want THEIR rules in place, rather the ones the Democrats want.

    2. Re:Please tell me why.... by SaroDarksbane · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Small government" is just a ruse Republicans use to win elections, much like "reducing corporate influence" is for the Democrats.

      Red Team/Blue Team? There's only one team, and it's the Big Government/Big Corporations Purple Team.

    3. Re:Please tell me why.... by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry, are Democrats like the Obama-led White house or the Obama-appointee-led DHS against this bill?

    4. Re:Please tell me why.... by rilian4 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bunch of hypocrites they all are.

      So are the Democrats. If you are going to make these comments, be an equal-opportunity commenter.

      It seems that nothing but evil comes out of washington DC anymore.

      Agreed. This is why I am supporting Ron Paul for President. He's the only candidate willing to do what it takes to clean out Washington DC.

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    5. Re:Please tell me why.... by forkfail · · Score: 4, Informative
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      Check your premises.
    6. Re:Please tell me why.... by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Perhaps you're not. But why do you keep electing people who epitomize exactly what you describe?

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  2. Telling idiots what they want to hear... by earls · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...is how you win elections.

    1. Re:Telling idiots what they want to hear... by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And then enacting policies to dumb people down over an extended period of time. Often spanning many many generations. Eventually to the point where they depend on an oppressive government.

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    2. Re:Telling idiots what they want to hear... by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At least on Big Bang Theory you can hear a quick synopsis of Schredinger's Cat thought experiment, watch them bounce a laser off the moon, use the power of the internet to turn their lights on and off or have a robotic hand give them a pack of soy sauce (among other things).

      What does one get from Biggest Loser? Don't eat so much and get off your fat ass?

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    3. Re:Telling idiots what they want to hear... by element-o.p. · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ever hear the phrase "Bread and Circuses?" Give people entertainment so that they stop paying attention to what's going on around them. Target the entertainment to the lowest common denominator so people get out of the habit of thinking. That's a start.

      Next, ask yourself, "Who provides the education in this country?" "Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it." I'd wager that if you walked out on the streets today and interviewed a hundred people, you could count on one hand the number of people who could give a rough description of each of the first ten Constitutional amendments. Maybe ten of those hundred people could tell you about the first five. I doubt half of them would know that the Bill of Rights and those ten amendments are the same thing. I suspect you would be hard-pressed to find probably a single person who could tell you what the Magna Carta was, why it was important and in what country it was written. All of these are incredibly important, but almost none of it is taught in school any more. I'll be honest; the only reason I know enough to mention these things is because of my eighth grade history teacher. We touched on these subjects in my high school and college courses, but Mr. Fox was the only teacher who actually thought they were important enough to emphasize them in his class. Most of my high school classmates were so freaking naive that I had arguments with them that ended with them saying something like, "But we're the good guys. Our government would never do that to us" at which point I usually just walked away.

      So, yeah. Dumbing down. It's real, and it's happening. We may know more about technology, and we may know a lot more about Brittney Spears and Lady Gaga than previous generations knew about their celebrities, but this country is dangerously ignorant of its history. And it's starting to bite us in the butt.

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  3. Overdue by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is really overdue and your a fool if you think it isn't inevitable. We accept regulation for critical infrastructure like electricity and gas distribution. Why should IT be any different than any other piece of infrastructure?

    I've worked with ITIL, SOX, HIPAA, SEC and a number of other regulations or standards for years. They are also largely similar in what they require, once you learn one the others are a quick learning curve. Mostly they are nothing more than attempt to codify best practices that you should be following anyways.

    It's like the rail companies that cried foul when regulations required that they install safe coupling mechanisms in the 1800's. The railroads cried foul at the new expenses until they discovered that the regulations ended up saving more in labor than they can cost in parts.

  4. Re:Does the KGB (Oops! I meant "DHS")... by mcavic · · Score: 4, Funny

    The KGB just called. They'd like an apology.

  5. Re:Not sure which side I fall on in this by fish+waffle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The thin edge of the wedge here is in the definition of a "critical system". Things important to sustaining lives and ensuring national security make sense from a high-level perspective, but the grey areas around that can be extended to fit the goals of whoever is in control of the definition.

  6. Re:Who is going to decide what "improved" means? by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Funny

    You need to upgrade all of your Linux servers to Windows. Our friends in Redmond assure us this is an improvement of utmost importance.

  7. Re:Regardless of your stance on big/small governme by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    does the DHS even have the necessary expertise in IT security ?

    Of course not. What a silly question.

    Understanding something is not a requirement for supervising it. Ask your boss.

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  8. Re:uhh.. this is sponsored by a democrat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is the list of sponsors and co-sponsors.
    Representative Daniel Lungren R-CA
    Rep. Gus Bilirakis [R, FL-9]
    Rep. Peter King [R, NY-3]
    Rep. James Langevin [D, RI-2]
    Rep. Billy Long [R, MO-7]
    Rep. Thomas Marino [R, PA-10]
    Rep. Michael McCaul [R, TX-10]
    Rep. Candice Miller [R, MI-10]
    Rep. Steve Stivers [R, OH-15]
    Rep. Robert Turner [R, NY-9]
    Rep. Timothy Walberg [R, MI-7]

    Yup, that must be a democrat bill.
    How did you get modded up?

  9. Both Parties are at fault. by HexaByte · · Score: 4, Informative

    Both parties are at fault here, not Just Republicans or just Democrats. The problem is that we no longer have a class of "Citizen Legislator" but instead have professional legislators who will do anything in their power to stay in power.

    This includes buying votes from the masses by telling them they will get everything free at the expense of someone else - even though our national debt is now so large you could confiscate all the wealth of all the millionaires and still not pay it off - and also letting themselves be bought buy the highest bidder - er - best paying lobbyist.

    Of course, to keep it under wraps, you have to both dumb down the general populace, and control all means of dissent. Shut down internet sites that oppose your viewpoint, call anyone who disagrees with you a terrorist and lock them away without any rights, and threaten the livelihood of anyone else who may be bold enough to get around your restrictions.

    The only way to stop such non-sense it to VOTE THEM ALL OUT!

    Al least it will take a new batch a few years to get so corrupt!

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  10. Washington D.C's Primary Export by Phoenix666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    is corruption and problems. They ought to be excised and punished as a rogue state. Note, I'm not a right- or left-wing partisan, just an American who grew up when this country was known as the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave."

    The TSA ought to be expunged as the totalitarian body they are. The Department of Homeland Security ought to be dissolved and its members stripped of their citizenship and exiled to North Korea on the basis of the name of their agency alone.

    The FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, and their attendant bodies need to be spanked firmly for violating the constitutional rights of all Americans over the last 20 years. That means, their Directors and employees who issued and obeyed illegal orders ought to go to prison for the rest of their lives.

    If that happened, I'd reckon the integrity of the Republic to have been preserved. But I'm not naive, and I know that that will never happen.

    As such, the only answer is for American citizens to bring the government and its backers to justice by force. As a man of peace and a father, I don't relish that at all. But neither do I want my kids to grow up as slaves.

    It's sobering indeed to contemplate another 20 years loving and nurturing my family in an increasingly totalitarian country vs. a personal life-ending confrontation with tyranny in the name and cause of freedom. But in my heart I can't see any other way. I was raised a patriot. In my mind and heart I meant the oath we all took to uphold and defend the freedom America stood for. But now the unthinkable has happened and the political entity known as the United States has so far departed from the premise of the oath we took that we cannot possibly reconcile the two; we can either support the path of freedom, or we can uphold the United States.

    I know that enough of my compatriots, supposed "left" and "right," share that conviction to make a difference. I know that the subversion of our freedom is not yet widespread enough and deep enough to reverse that bedrock faith. I know that despite the prevalent apathy, supported and abetted by those in power, there is not enough corrosion to avert the will of the American people to assert their freedom.

         

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  11. How it's going to shake out... by ElVee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm in one of these "critical" industries that will be most likely be included under the benevolent government security umbrella provided by this bill. I've gotten pretty good at predicting how our loving, caring government is likely to respond to this type of challenge, to wit:

    After a competitive bid involving only Cisco, Oracle and Microsoft, they will likely hire Cisco, Oracle and Microsoft to tell them what's needed. Unsurprisingly, the solution will include the requirement to purchase lots of expensive products from Cisco, Oracle and Microsoft.

    This new regulatory function will obviously need oversight by the government. The government will expand (bloat?) the bureacracy by hiring an excessivly large number of underqualified, overpaid people to monitor compliance with their byzantine rules, which will constantly change to suit their whims. There will be minor incidents, which will be blamed on laziness and non-compliance by the industry. More regulations will be drafted, new equipment will be purchased and the bureacracy will expand even further.

    At that point, we commence the never-ending circle of more regulation, more money paid to a select group of "certified" vendors and the unceasing growth of the bureacracy.

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  12. You can't really vote them out any more. by Medievalist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If both parties don't start working together eventually the american people will kick all the lazy bastards in congress out.

    Voting machines have effectively eliminated any pretense of public control over government. Your choices are limited to the corporate-approved labels on the buttons.

    And no matter what buttons you push, the tallies from the voting machines will say what the controllers of the voting machines want them to say. You have no way to check the validity of those tallies so they are incredibly unlikely to be valid - there's too much power at stake for such an obvious control point to be left uncorrupted.

    Lately some states don't even bother to count write-in ballots any more, and most of them are looking into removing the write-in option from their machines.

    We're leaving the Republic stage and entering the Imperial era. If we keep following the classical pattern, the next step is civil war, although hopefully long after you and I are both dead.

    "That's not the way the world really works anymore," [Rove] continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality - judiciously, as you will - we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actorsâ¦and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."