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Wikipedia Hasn't Forgiven GoDaddy

netbuzz writes "The fact that a month and a half has gone by and Wikipedia still hasn't followed through on Jimmy Wales public threat to remove its domain name registrations from GoDaddy over the latter's early support of SOPA has some concerned that the online encyclopedia may have had a change of heart. After all, GoDaddy did withdraw its backing of the controversial antipiracy legislation, at least publicly. But fear not, SOPA foes, as Wikipedia says its days with GoDaddy are indeed numbered and that number is getting very small."

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  1. SOPA isn't the only reason GoDaddy sucks by MrEricSir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's also not forget all the other ways GoDaddy sucks:

    • So much up-selling a car dealer would blush
    • Obnoxious TV advertisements that are straight out of Idiocracy
    • Customer service worse than the post office or a bank
    • That whole elephant-killing thing.

    So fuck GoDaddy. There's plenty of registrars with better service that cost less anyway.

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    1. Re:SOPA isn't the only reason GoDaddy sucks by symbolset · · Score: 4, Informative

      I believe when we were having this discussion namecheap was the consensus.

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    2. Re:SOPA isn't the only reason GoDaddy sucks by stephanruby · · Score: 5, Interesting

      and don't forget also:

      The GoDaddy CEO publicly supports waterboarding
      GoDaddy already has an history of shutting down domains without requiring to see a court order
      GoDaddy has a long history of getting its customer servers/accounts hacked and not saying anything about it to its customers
      And during the SOPA exodus, which is still going on, it's been dragging its feet on domain transfers (a violation of ICANN rules and regulations).
      Hopefully, they'll have their domain name registry privileges taken away by ICANN because of that last one.

    3. Re:SOPA isn't the only reason GoDaddy sucks by SuperTechnoNerd · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't forget The GoDaddy CEO shoots elephants in Africa for fun too.. Nice guy.

    4. Re:SOPA isn't the only reason GoDaddy sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      LOL.
      After following your link to waterboarding, which then leads to another page 60 links deep proclaiming the GoDaddy CEO supports waterboarding, the only thing it eventually led to is a blog posting by the CEO calling Guantanamo Bay an "important asset" to protect Americans. So yes, I suppose you could say he therefore supports waterboarding, in the same way that if a staff member at Guantanamo Bay was into BDSM, you could say Bob Parson supports BDSM tooly. Or in the same way that you support Open Source, of which Linux is a leading example, which contains components written by Hans Reiser, who was a murderer; and therefore you publicly support murder.

    5. Re:SOPA isn't the only reason GoDaddy sucks by BenoitRen · · Score: 2

      Elephant-killing thing? That's a first. Got a link?

    6. Re:SOPA isn't the only reason GoDaddy sucks by marcosdumay · · Score: 2

      the only thing it eventually led to is a blog posting by the CEO calling Guantanamo Bay an "important asset" to protect Americans

      Thus GD does support waterboarding. I was expecting that to be FUD.

    7. Re:SOPA isn't the only reason GoDaddy sucks by realityimpaired · · Score: 2

      http://sibername.com/

      I've had very good experience with them, and *very* good customer service. They got me out of a serious bind with a previous registrar who closed shop on a Saturday, without notice, and stopped returning calls. They helped me to expedite the transfer of my domain to them on a Sunday morning. I did have a major advantage in that I still had all of the original registration paperwork and passwords from CIRA (.ca domain), and their head office is across the street from where I work, but I don't know a lot of registrars that would take an emergency call at 2am on a Sunday, and make arrangements for me to go in to the office at 8am to sign the paperwork and transfer a domain.

      And for most domain types, they're either cheaper than GoDaddy, or the same price.

    8. Re:SOPA isn't the only reason GoDaddy sucks by Arrepiadd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Put two fish of the same species in a proper environment and safe from predators and after one year you have 10000 of them.
      Put two elephants in an equivalent scenario and after one year you have two elephants. After two years you may have three. After 10 years, all things perfect, you'll have about 5 of them.

      Now go back to the end of year one... kill one fish, kill one elephant. Do you see where this is going?

    9. Re:SOPA isn't the only reason GoDaddy sucks by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      REGISTERING DOMAINS FOR WHICH YOU HAVE SEARCHED ON GODADDY AND THEN PARKING THEM AND DEMANDING YOU PAY MORE THAN DOMAIN REGISTRATION FEES TO GET THEM.

      Sorry about the all caps, but that is far and away the most evil thing GoDaddy has ever done, because as a registrar their job is to register domains, not speculate on them. I hope they all get ass cancer.

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    10. Re:SOPA isn't the only reason GoDaddy sucks by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      I dunno, that's kinda like saying a politician supports rape because he thinks prisons are a good idea.

      A politician DOES support rape if he supports the prison-industrial complex. Period, the end.

      Your simile is not sufficiently similar. Gitmo exists to behave in ways that we do not permit in other prisons, and thus, supporting Gitmo is explicitly supporting the behavior that goes on at Gitmo. Logic? You fail it.

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    11. Re:SOPA isn't the only reason GoDaddy sucks by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 2

      He didn't say anything about bears, so why are you assuming he's a hypocrite?

      Also, that may be because the population is larger.

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    12. Re:SOPA isn't the only reason GoDaddy sucks by Algae_94 · · Score: 2

      That's why good fish and game management gives hunting and fishing permits based on data of the population of a species. If there were so few elephants that killing one would lead to extinction of the species and the authorities allowed it to be hunted legally, who is at fault here? The hunter who has no idea how many elephants are out there, or the authorities that track them and do population counts?

      Also, in your example, if you go back to year one and kill one fish and one elephant, you would have one fish and one elephant left. You would then have one fish and one elephant until they each died and then you would have none. So in that example allowing either fish or elephant to be killed would be irresponsible and lead to the loss of the entire population.

    13. Re:SOPA isn't the only reason GoDaddy sucks by gmack · · Score: 2

      Except for the part where they have mistakenly transferred domains (sex.com being the largest but not the only example) and then not only refused to fix the problem but argued in court that they shouldn't be responsible for or need to fix the problem. Not to mention the whole frontrunning thing they got caught doing a few years back where they registered domain names people searched for in advance so that they would be the only people who could register the domain.

      On the evil scale network solutions are worse than GoDaddy.

  2. forgivness by SuperTechnoNerd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have not forgiven my congress critters either. Looking forward to November.

    1. Re:forgivness by bky1701 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you can vote in the other (potentially worse) corporate candidate? Or do you plan to vote for a third party with little chance of winning? If the first, at least do the due diligence of figuring out if the opposition is more fanatical in support of the things you dislike. This is a step I fear most people do not realize is necessary. If the second, well... have fun being a statistical outlier.

    2. Re:forgivness by EuclideanSilence · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What the hell is wrong with being a statistical outlier? Elections aren't some horserace that you win by voting for the candidate that gets office, they are won when public opinion changes.

    3. Re:forgivness by artor3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What the hell is wrong with being a statistical outlier? Elections aren't some horserace that you win by voting for the candidate that gets office, they are won when public opinion changes.

      True, but public opinion isn't changed by the fact that 0.2% of the vote went to Generic Third Party #17. Not even a little bit.

      If you want to effect change via voting:
      1) Primary for the best candidate you can find (a lot of people ignore this step, and then go on to bemoan that they only have two choices in the general election)
      2) Vote for the least bad of the two major party nominees at the federal level
      3) Vote for third parties at the local and state level

      Non-federal politics matter a whole lot -- more than federal politics for many aspects of life -- and are easier to influence. Plus the pool of people who get taken seriously at a federal level tends to be drawn from those who have been successful at the lower levels. If you can get a great candidate to be a popular and successful state senator, then he's got a good shot at becoming governor. If you've got a popular and successful independent governor, I know a whole lot of people who'd love to see him become president. It's admittedly a long shot, but it's better than throwing away your vote every cycle in a protest that 99.9% of the populace won't even notice.

    4. Re:forgivness by amRadioHed · · Score: 2

      Maybe... OTOH our populace is also terribly apathetic and has almost no long-term political memory. Getting 10 million people to click a link or sign a petition after having the issue thrown in their face all day is a good accomplishment, but how many of those people will a) go to the polls, and b) remember what it was they cared so much about 10 months previously?

      I know it's more of that cynicism, but i'm just not convinced it will be a major factor come election time.

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    5. Re:forgivness by epine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      True, but public opinion isn't changed by the fact that 0.2% of the vote went to Generic Third Party #17. Not even a little bit.

      You can't back that up, I don't believe it to begin with, and the argument from continuity suggests it's not even logically possible, not to mention the problem with induction.

      There exists threshold j below which your vote matters not at all in the minds of dullards who believe this. At some point you have to cross the dullard threshhold. Only a non-dullard can move the dullards. But even the non-dullard concedes that there exists k much less than j below which his inductive impetus is wasted. Only a double non-dullard can move the non-dullards. But even a double non-dullard concedes that there exists m much less than k ...

      On a more practical basis, there was a time in the nineties in a Canadian election where the dismal third option failed to clear a threshold I didn't even know about: percentage of popular vote which granted them official party status and the resources which flow from that. All the idiots were saying "don't waste your vote" over votes this party desperately needed to clear this bar.

      The big one in America, of course, is excluding Ralph Nadar (or anyone like him) from the presidential debate. I think that's the worst possible outcome of all, because it grants the asylum complete control over the speaking points. All you have left are two candidates promising the same small opposites. We're left arguing over the colour of the paint rather than whether to adopt a gasoline or diesel engine.

      These throw-away votes don't decide between the donkey and the elephant, but they have a big impact on whether good candidates, or at least strong voices for a different future, bother to show up at all.

      I believe America should outlaw two party debate in presidential elections. There should always be at least a third voice who gets equal time, selected by whatever mechanism proves workable. (This is probably a long term arms race where the incumbents constantly work to scupper whatever worked the time before.)

      In fact, I wouldn't mind having an entire panel of third party voices who collectively get 1/3 of the total debate time. They can have a bidding system among themselves for who gets to cut in on which issues.

      Your rule of thumb is a good one for people who don't wish to think. Not even a little bit.

    6. Re:forgivness by artor3 · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can't back that up (1), I don't believe it to begin with (2), and the argument from continuity suggests it's not even logically possible (3), not to mention the problem with induction (4).

      1. Yes, I can, through experience and basic knowledge of how people tend to approach politics. I know, I know, "problem of induction". We'll come to that.
      2. Clearly, but your belief is not required for it to be true.
      3. You're misusing the continuity argument. Clearly there exists some threshold at which third party votes matter. In practice, that threshold is far above what we're currently capable of reaching. The continuity argument only applies when you can reach both endpoints.
      4. The "problem" of induction is a philosophical one. Godel's Incompleteness Theorem proves that no numerical system can be both consistent and complete, but that doesn't stop me from using math. Likewise, while the "problem" of induction means that my never having seen the Cubs win a World Series does not make such an event impossible, I'm sure as all hell not gonna bet on them.

      Your recursive stack of "dullards", while cute, misses a key point. It assumes that as you progress in levels (j, k, m, n4, n5, n6...), as your level approaches infinity the threshold will drop to zero. Maybe instead the threshold asymptotically approaches 10%. Below that level, even the infinitely non-dullardly don't care about the third party vote. And before you raise yourself as a counter example, note that we can have also have a class of double-dullards (don't complain about the offensive terminology -- you picked it) who always care.

      In short, you're trying too hard to apply simple mathematical reasoning to a process that is far more complex than you have accounted for. I don't doubt that it is theoretically possible to model human behavior in such a way, but your name's not Hari Seldon, and you're not going to perform a psychohistorical analysis of American voting trends in a Slashdot comment.

    7. Re:forgivness by bky1701 · · Score: 2

      Only to be replaced by their friends? What purpose on this earth does effectively making term limits 1 term have relating to the prevention of corruption?

    8. Re:forgivness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Fuck that shit.

      The UK has it's first Green MP a year or so ago because people actually voted for the candidate they wanted, rather than who they thought had a chance of winning.

      If you keep voting for primary Democrat/Republicans, guess what, that's what you'll keep getting!

    9. Re:forgivness by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2

      The UK has a completely different election system in which minor parties are not completely neutered. In the USA the candidate who finishes first wins, even if he only got 30% of the vote. Small parties only have a chance in such a system if there are no big parties.

    10. Re:forgivness by imjustmatthew · · Score: 2

      Our current options are a twatwaffle who hasn't even read the fucking Constitution, versus a pretty terrible businessman who hasn't read the Constitution, a Theocratic frothy mixture of lube and fecal material who makes the Ayatollah look like an Atheist, and a douchebag that was kicked out of Congress. There's a slim chance we might get the chance for a crazy old guy who's read the Constitution and therefore will accomplish nothing, because by virtue of understanding the actual powers granted to the Federal government, he scares the fuck out of both Democraps and Republicunts.

      That, sir, is the best description of candidates I've read yet.

  3. To be fair... by Daetrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I expect with a company the size of Wikipedia, particularly one with Wikipedia's web presence, switching your hosting around isn't really something you can do on the turn of a dime.

    On the other side of the coin though (er, so to speak) i wonder if this is really the best tactic. I mean, i couldn't wish for the fallout to land on a more deserving company, but will this affect Wikipedia's bargaining position for similar situations in the future? Threatening to punish people for actions you don't like is just fine (well, assuming you stick to legal methods of course) but if they recant and you follow through on your threats regardless, would the next company you deal with have any reason to recant?

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    1. Re:To be fair... by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      switching your hosting around isn't really something you can do on the turn of a dime

      Exactly. It does take time, especially for a large organization, to find a suitable replacement for services.

      .....but if they recant and you follow through on your threats regardless, would the next company you deal with have any reason to recant?

      That's not the point. There is no forgiveness for GoDaddy. Absolute Utter Destruction Required. They KNOW better.

      Some actions are not possible to take back. Yes, I will compare it to murder. You just can't take it back. Do I care that the murderer is blubbering in the court room? Nope. Not at all. Fry his ass.

      That is what it really comes down too. A deterrent. When we partially hang GoDaddy, cut off their balls, disembowel them, chop of their head, and distribute the remaining portions of their body on spikes to the far reaches of the Internet it will stand as warning to all companies to not support laws that threaten the base functionality of the Internet and a free and open network.

      Their cries for mercy fall on deaf ears and hardened resolve.

    2. Re:To be fair... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except Godaddy didn't really recant.

    3. Re:To be fair... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      As far as I'm aware, Wikipedia does not depend on GoDaddy for anything other than domain registrar services. They don't use them for DNS. They don't use them for hosting of any kind. So actually, yes, they literally can switch to another registrar on the turn of a dime. I've seen it done with corporate sites fielding millions of page views a month, and downtime should be precisely zero. Nothing changes aside from the registrar name in the whois info.

    4. Re:To be fair... by EdIII · · Score: 4

      Uhhhh... yeah okay.

      That might be true if Wikipedia was being unreasonable. If I knew there was a potential big client out there with a lot of media clout that was known to be unreasonable and difficult to work with I would probably pass on servicing them too. However, taking a stance against something like SOPA, which anybody remotely involved with Internet knows is bad, very very bad, is hardly unreasonable.

      Saying SOPA is political is like saying we could have rational discourse about the *possibility* of owning African Americans as slaves and starting up our "import business" all over again to compete with China on low cost labor.

      No. SOPA is only political in the remotely tangential sense that it involves some politicians. Other than that, there is no rational basis on the pro-SOPA side to enact such dangerous and draconian laws.

      Pro life and anti-evolution have more rational arguments and positions than SOPA and could be considered a valid political debate amongst the citizenry. SOPA is just flat out insanity with no possible redeeming virtue towards society in any way, shape, or form.

      Political my ass. To characterize it as such it to give it validity. It has none whatsoever.

    5. Re:To be fair... by EdIII · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's still not political and I am delusional, ignorant, or refusing to accept reality.

      Political, in the contemporary sense, and in this context, means that it is an argument about laws, regulations, policy, or a school of thought on how society should be administered to the benefit of the society. There can two or more sides to the argument, but what they all have in common is at least the pretense that it is beneficial towards society and serves to protect it.

      I deny SOPA that status. While politicians may be involved in it, there is no valid discussion, no valid arguments, and no valid sides supporting SOPA. That is why it is not political. It is entirely one-sided. No other argument in government can claim such distinction. Not FISA, not the Patriot Act, not Abortion, not Gay Marriage, etc. Every single one them has some sort of basis to support it. Some sort of rationale in which the American Way of Life (tm) is protected and allowed to flourish, even if I may disagree with it.

      SOPA is pure corruption and abuse in its most distilled form. It is the most direct assault on intelligence, liberty, and common sense that I have been witness to in my entire life.

      I don't know of any stronger terms that I can state just how evil SOPA *is*. For me to acknowledge it as political means that it there is some sort of public interest served in the debate. I just can't see that or say it.

    6. Re:To be fair... by MMC+Monster · · Score: 2

      Wikipedia is a top ten website in the world (see: http://www.alexa.com/topsites ).

      Taking their time is due diligence.

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  4. Re:Fun, but... by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's being a bit simplistic.

    If I walked into a local restaurant and received poor service and bad tasting food, the people there might be a bit dismissive when I complain loudly and tell them that I am going "blog that shit all over the Internet".

    Now if President Obama walked in (unlikely I know) and then mentioned how shitty the place was to the White House press core, it might be a little more devastating.

    Both of us spent the same amount of money, and represent the same amount of loss in the future on an individual basis, but one certainly stings a bit more.

  5. I finally quit godaddy this week by alex_guy_CA · · Score: 4, Informative

    I called up hover.com. Spoke with someone on the phone, gave her my godaddy login info. She did all of the work for me. I'm done with godaddy, and I can't think that there is any possible way it could have been easier.

  6. And this costs GoDaddy what, $2.95? by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    And this costs GoDaddy what, $2.95? It's just domain registration. Wikipedia isn't hosted by GoDaddy.

    There's a hierarchy of registrars. At the top is MarkMonitor, which registers domains like "ford.com". If you have to ask how much their registration costs, you can't afford it. This is where you register a "must stay up" domain. If anything goes wrong with a MarkMonitor registration, alarms go off and teams of DNS admins and lawyers swing into action.

    Network Solutions is a reasonable registrar for corporate domains. They have "amazon.com", for example. If something goes wrong, you can usually get them ont he phone and get them to do something.

    Much further down is GoDaddy. But they're not the bottom. Below GoDaddy are the bulk registrars, like Enom. That's where you register junk domains for link farms, domaining, and other dubious activities. At the bottom are the registrars in the ICANN list that don't even have valid contact information. It's not clear what they're doing, but it's probably not good.

    1. Re:And this costs GoDaddy what, $2.95? by FreakyGreenLeaky · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It costs them reputation.

  7. A Personal Appeal from Jimmy Wales by Cryacin · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm just waiting for the personal appeal to boycott Godaddy.

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    1. Re:A Personal Appeal from Jimmy Wales by bky1701 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Hi, I'm Jimbo. I'm going to leave my face on every page until GoDaddy goes out of business. You know what to do. Thank you for your support."

    2. Re:A Personal Appeal from Jimmy Wales by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd just like to say../wipes away tear/...that I'd like to thank the little HTML nerd that made the ABP code that made Jimbo's ugly ass mug finally disappear from Wikipedia forever! Bless your little nerdy heart!

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  8. Have you ever tried to switch from GoDaddy?? by ukemike · · Score: 5, Informative

    Have you ever tried to switch from GoDaddy? I'm sure they're just having difficultly figuring out HOW to unregister from GoDaddy. It took me about 5 tries over the course of three months and I only had one domain to deal with.

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    1. Re:Have you ever tried to switch from GoDaddy?? by Microlith · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Funny, I had a domain that was registered with GoDaddy for 9 years and I was swapped over to Gandi.net within an hour or less.

    2. Re:Have you ever tried to switch from GoDaddy?? by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 4, Informative

      I had to look it up. But once I found a reliable source I did a batch transfer. http://help.godaddy.com/article/3560 lol

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    3. Re:Have you ever tried to switch from GoDaddy?? by Frankie70 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm sure they're just having difficultly figuring out HOW to unregister from GoDaddy.

      Isn't there a Wikipedia article on how to unregister from GoDaddy?

  9. Re:Fun, but... by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    Oddly enough you don't need to be President to destroy a restaurants reputation(or anything's reputation). Hell, you don't even need to be important. You just need to know important people, or be close enough to important people to do it. I know that whole six degrees or four degrees of separation thing is fine and dandy but it does work.

    I've seen it in action on more than one occasion where businesses were blackballed by an entire community based on the word of mouth of two people who were effectively nobodies, but had friends of friends who were well known.

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  10. Re:I won't be donating to Wikipedia by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I though you had staked out the moral high ground very neatly, but in the last paragraph you went all self-indulgence about WP and fell back to the level of choosing sides based on personal prejudice, like the rest of us mere mortals.

    The fact is that most people believe they are doing TheRightThing(TM) most of the time. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ivan the terrible, OBL, George Washington, you, me, grandma, and the wiggles, did not get to where they did by believing what they were doing was evil. For example if you could ask OBL what he did with his life he would probably tell you with genuine sincerity that he spent it "fighting evil". So from my POV good intentions are not a valid excuse for supporting racketeering via congressional decree, particularly for a corporation one would expect has the expertise to build decision trees that would likely foresee the potential harm. If it wasn't on their decision tree before all the hoohaa, it is now.

    Being generous I'd say GD displayed admirable self-skepticisim on the issue. Being cynical I'd say GD are like any other company, what they fear most is becoming a public pariah.

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  11. This is not like moving your blog's DNS by David+Gerard · · Score: 3, Informative

    People don't seem to get that for a seriously popular site that must not go down, it's just not the same class of phenomenon as picking a registrar more or less at random (the same process by which people ended up on GoDaddy in the first place) to move your blog's DNS to. It's literally taken weeks to make absolutely sure that the transition damn well will go smoothly. This on top of, like, the actual work the WMF is supposed to do. AIUI, there should be an announcement next week or so.

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  12. seriously, don't try to defend Bob Parsons by Onymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bob Parsons on Guantamo Bay:

    "The interrogation techniques at Gitmo are very mild."

    (Note from Wikipedia: By May 2011 there had been at least six suicides and hundreds of suicide attempts in GuantÃnamo that are in public knowledge.)

    "Key prisoners at Gitmo still have not talked -- because our interrogation methods are so weak."

    (Are we really going to get into a sincere discussion about the efficacy of torture? What about we pause first at the idea of whether it's ethical?)

    "Given the type of individuals we have incarcerated at Gitmo (all of them would love to gouge out your eyes-"

    (including children and old men?)

    Bob Parsons is the ugliest face of America. Hateful and uninformed, but pushing to make things work the way he thinks they should. Don't be like Bob. And don't empower him with your money.