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Why People Don't Live Past 114

kkleiner writes "Average life expectancy has nearly doubled in developed countries over the 20th century. But a puzzling part to the equation has emerged. While humans are in fact living longer lives on average, the oldest age that the oldest people reach seems to be stubbornly and oddly precisely cemented right at 114. What will it take for humans to live beyond this limit?"

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  1. Additional information. by olsmeister · · Score: 5, Informative

    This has been noticed before. Here is another article on it.

  2. Tell that to Jeanne Calment by characterZer0 · · Score: 5, Informative
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  3. Re:Genesis 6:3 by dintech · · Score: 5, Funny

    Boring, wake me up when there's begetting and pause it for me if you can see tits.

  4. Because, as we all know, the answer to life by Rooked_One · · Score: 5, Funny

    is 42. And 114 is 42 backwards if you add the 1's together. The opposite of life is death - metaphysically speaking of course.

    Look a bunny!

    what?

    1. Re:Because, as we all know, the answer to life by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you factor out 114, you get 19, 3, and 2. (19 * 3 * 2 = 114)
      If you add these up, you get 24.
      Flip the numbers (since death is the opposite of life) and you get 42.
      Thus, the answer to life, the universe and everything is 42.

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    2. Re:Because, as we all know, the answer to life by g0bshiTe · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm sorry I couldn't follow your logic, I was distracted looking for the bunny.

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    3. Re:Because, as we all know, the answer to life by JWSmythe · · Score: 5, Insightful

          You sir, have managed to master the art of numerology. And what an art it is. It can find anything relates to any number, and those numbers can relate to other things, to positively prove that any two completely unrelated things are equal and tied through destiny, predetermination, or that some deity has made himself known through an image of a dead guy on your grilled cheese sandwich.

          That's also why I stopped eating grilled cheese sandwiches. But they did sell nicely on eBay to religious nuts.

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  5. Re:Genesis 6:3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So he owes us each six years? Can I choose which ones? I want 21-27 again. Thanks.

  6. Time travel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    From TFA:

    A person born in the US at the turn of the 20th century could expect to live 49.2 years. Their ancestor born in 2003 could reasonably expect to see their 77th birthday.

    The emphasis is mine.

  7. Re:Genesis 6:3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, it's 5% tax

  8. What will it take for humans... by slidersv · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...to live beyond that limit? Cryogenic freezing, I guess. But seriously, the problem is not the ability, but purpose. It's one thing to be able to survive into 100+, and completely another to enjoy your time on this planet. If you survive for 150 years, but enjoy the first 50 and suffer for the next 100, that sounds more like a Doom episode: Hell on Earth. All people are measuring when it comes to age is heart beating. But what they should be focusing on are different questions. Like: "do you enjoy getting up in the morning?" "how fast can you read?" "and write?" "do you hear me well enough?" "can you describe me what you see outside the window?" Can people over 80 on this forum add to this discussion, if they are interested to live another 34 years, until the "current limit" of 114?

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    1. Re:What will it take for humans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Personally, I would happily be immortal.
      To want to die is insanely stupid IMHO.

      As for suffering, I suffer every day. I'd still rather live forever suffering those pains, than die.

      Even the sort of fairy-tale immortal where I cannot die. Even if I were sucked in to a blackhole and left there for millions of years till it evaporated, I'd still rather exist than UNexist. To become infinitely nothing, lesser even, is the most frightening thing in existence.

  9. Contractual? by Senior+Frac · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm betting there is some warranty clause that kicks in at 115.

  10. Re:The oldest person lived to 122. by boef · · Score: 5, Interesting

    TFA does not state you get suddenly croak when you hit 114.. That number is more when the odds change.. and the question is why.
    quote:
    “the odds of a person dying in any given year between the ages of 110 and 113 appear to be about one in two. But by age 114, the chances jump to more like two in three.”

  11. Quality not quantity by concealment · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No one likes the idea of dying, but I think we might be less traumatized by it if we felt our time on earth meant something. Let's face it, working a McJob, fighting with an unfaithful spouse, buying lots of crap on Amazon.com and cheering for corporate football teams just doesn't make us "feel alive."

  12. Re:yet more biblical contradictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lifespans gradually decreased post-flood.

  13. Re:yet more biblical contradictions by Gideon+Wells · · Score: 5, Funny

    It is a little known fact that Methuselah exploited the life span mechanics of the Real Life MMO. That and other bugs, hackers, gimmicks, etc. got so bad that God had to nearly completely revamp the game. The new mechanics were firmly put in place after The Flood patch.

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  14. Re:Genesis 6:3 by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

    But if you have a Christian loyalty card (sold at participating Churches), the tax is rebated with eternal afterlife! What a bargain.

  15. Re:Genesis 6:3 by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bible verse by Anonymous Coward modded Informative... Obviously the Jehovah's Witnesses won the Wheel of Mod spin today.

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  16. Re:Genesis 6:3 by captainpanic · · Score: 5, Funny

    The earth must have rotated faster around the sun 6000 years ago. I guess the earth was more streamlined when it was still flat.

  17. Epiphenomena by nfk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I haven't read the article (shock), so I'm not arguing with those who say this isn't interesting, but it reminded me of Douglas Hofstadter in GEB:

    "I was talking one day with two systems programmers for the computer I was using. They mentioned that the operating system seemed to be able to handle up to about thirty-five users with great comfort, but at about thirty-five users or so, the response time all of a sudden shot up, getting so slow that you might as well log off and go home and wait until later. Jokingly I said, "Well, that's simple to fix -- just find the place in the operating system where the number '35' is stored, and change it to '60'!" Everyone laughed. The point is, of course, that there is no such place. Where, then, does the critical number -- 35 users -- come from? The answer is: It is a visible consequence of the overall system organization -- an "epiphenomenon".

    Similarly, you might ask about a sprinter, "Where is the '9.3' stored, that makes him be able to run 100 yards in 9.3 seconds?" Obviously, it is not stored anywhere. His time is a result of how he is built, what his reaction time is, a million factors all interacting when he runs. The time is quite reproducible, but it is not stored in his body anywhere. It is spread around among all the cells of his body and only manifests itself in the act of the sprint itself.

    Epiphenomena abound. In the game of "Go", there is the feature that "two eyes live". It is not built into the rules, but it is a consequence of the rules. In the human brain, there is gullibility. How gullible are you? Is your gullibility located in some "gullibility center" in your brain? Could a neurosurgeon reach in and perform some delicate operation to lower your gullibility, otherwise leaving you alone? If you believe this, you are pretty gullible, and should perhaps consider such an operation".

  18. Re:I find myself thinking it is unfortunate by meburke · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just spent a couple of years working at a "retirement community" where I was as old as the residents. There were a couple of very healthy residents, such as a Vietnamese doctor (76) who got up every morning and did Tai Chi and an 87-year-old guy who walked two miles around the campus each morning. But most of the residents were rotting away under the burden of a lifetime of bad food and no exercise.

    I don't mind the thought of dying, but I want to die reasonably suddenly after a full, active life. Frank Lloyd Wright was brilliant well into his 80's. I just read something about a biotech entrepreneur who started two major companies while in his 70's and 80's.

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  19. Mod parent up by tigre · · Score: 5, Informative

    I for one love the Bible, and I found this hilarious, not trollish.

    1. Re:Mod parent up by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      The movie will, of course, be a disappointment.

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  20. Re:Genesis 6:3 by AJH16 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just fast forward to Song of Solomon. It has plenty of tits for you.

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  21. Re:Time for a ethics of dying by JWSmythe · · Score: 5, Funny

    cat /dev/null > /dev/world

    In the beginning, there was nothingness.

    dd bs=1024 count=1 if=/dev/random of=/dev/world

    Then he brought something from nothingness.

    mke2fs -j /dev/world

    Then he brought order from the chaos.

    mount /dev/world /mnt/world

    And he looked upon it, and saw that it was good.

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  22. Is average lifespan a useful metric? by lazlo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd say the answer here is fairly simple, we haven't put much effort into keeping 100+ year olds alive, relative to the amount of effort to keep, for instance, 5 year olds alive. As I understand it, a huge amount of the gains in average life length have come from squeezing the bottom of the graph, not extending the top of it. Here's an interesting, though somewhat morbid, exercise. Go to a very old graveyard and look at the stones on the family plots. You'll often see a family with 12 children, half of whom died in childhood, and the other half lived to their 90's. So in that family the average life length was around 50, but that doesn't mean that a 50 year old should be looking for the grim reaper around the corner, quite the opposite in fact. As I understand it, the life expectancy of a 25-year old has been fairly stable for a fairly long time. Once you've survived the fragility of youth and the stupidity of adolescence, the following decades are a cake-walk, morbidity-wise.

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  23. Re:yet more biblical contradictions by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Funny

    He traded immortality for sex. Pretty much every man would do this if given the choice.

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  24. Matthew 6:4 by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some Christian denominations have become more sane about this. Jehovah's Witnesses, for example, don't "pass the hat". Instead, people discreetly put their donations in a slot in a box outside the auditorium so that only the Father needs to see (Matthew 6:4).

  25. Re:yet more biblical contradictions by AJH16 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ok, my bad, the word is yom, it can mean day or afternoon or age or daily or eternity or entire or lifetime or long or perpetually... the word doesn't translate well to a term we have in English, but in short, it roughly translates as "when you eat from the tree you will die". Also, even if you assume the 24 hour day is the correct translation, in a very real sense, Adam did die at that point even if it took time for him to physically die. The Bible clearly refers to both spiritual death and physical death and the spiritual death was at the time of eating from the tree.

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  26. Re:yet more biblical contradictions by quintus_horatius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When a lion ate a lamb, what happened to it if death didn't exist?

    The image I have in my head is horrible, just horrible, if things continued to live after being eaten. Or experienced bone-shattering falls, or drownings.

    Are you sure this is a merciful god we're talking about?

  27. Re:yet more biblical contradictions by DC2088 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real question is this: If the fruit of knowledge is how Adam gained the understanding of what is good and what is evil, how on earth was he supposed to know that disobeying the big guy was wrong? And my understanding isn't that he was banished as punishment, but rather, as a pre-emptive strike so that he didn't think too hard about what the "Tree of Life" would mean. Wait a minute - tree of life - the tree that granted immortality? Guess Adam wasn't going to live forever to begin with after all, or else the big guy wouldn't have put that tree there or cared! ... Why the hell did he put either tree in the garden? What was the purpose? To catch someone who doesn't know the difference between right and wrong doing something wrong? What the hell kind of Poseidon-as-a-horse-copulating-with-a-Nereid nonsense is this??

  28. Re:Genesis 6:3 by stating_the_obvious · · Score: 5, Informative

    Length of life (in years) dropped from 120 years to 114 years when the Romans added August to the Calendar...

  29. Re:Thank you, thank you... by Tastecicles · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, this is;

    Roy Batty: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. :)

    Has to be watched again. I'm always just utterly gobsmacked when he lets the dove go, then dies on the roof.

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  30. Re:Genesis 6:3 by Anomalyst · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe he doesn't have a job, you insensitive clod.

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  31. Re:Genesis 6:3 by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Funny

    Or Eze 23:20, if you swing the other way.

    The chances of a woman on slashdot seem slim :>

  32. Re:Genesis 6:3 by sglewis100 · · Score: 5, Informative

    And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.

    Which has nothing to do with how long a human may live, but was a prophecy about the coming flood.

  33. Re:Genesis 6:3 by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And the best part:

    In 1965, aged 90 years and with no heirs, Calment signed a deal to sell her former apartment to lawyer Andre-Francois Raffray, on a contingency contract. Raffray, then aged 47 years, agreed to pay her a monthly sum of 2,500 francs until she died. Raffray ended up paying Calment the equivalent of more than $180,000, which was more than double the apartment's value. After Raffray's death from cancer at the age of 77, in 1995, his widow continued the payments until Calment's death.

  34. Re:yet more biblical contradictions by HapSlappy_2222 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Everything was, apparently, vegetarian in the Garden of Eden. The lions and the lambs were, also apparently, good pals, lounging about all day. This also explains why they didn't fall or drown. And last, God's only merciful sometimes, other times he's wrathful, dopey, sleepy, happy, grumpy, sneezy, bashful, doc, and pissed.

    Funny bit is, back in the days I went to church, there were nutjob answers to everything, and as a kid, that shit was presented as if it made a damn bit of sense (it was grownups telling me, so it HAD to be truth by definition).

  35. Re:Genesis 6:3 by voidphoenix · · Score: 5, Informative

    January and February were added to the calendar. July and August were just renamed, from Quintilis and Sextilis.

  36. I can see the job ads on monster ..... by Cutting_Crew · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..."must have 435 years of experience with C++, Objective-C and XML. At LEAST 145 years of scripting and linux experience...." "... please forward your resume with work history, titles, salaries and referrals "

  37. Re:yet more biblical contradictions by geminidomino · · Score: 5, Funny

    A Man said to god "What's a million years to you?"
    God said "A second."
    Then the man said to god "what's a million dollars to you?"
    God said "A penny."
    So the man said to god, "Would you give me a penny?"
    God said "Of course I will. Just a second..."