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JotForm.com Gets Shut Down SOPA-Style
itwbennett writes "In a post on the company blog, JotForm.com cofounder Aytekin Tank alerts users that 'a US government agency has temporarily suspended' the jotform.com domain. He explains that it is part of an 'ongoing investigation' of content posted to its site by a user. Although which user and what content haven't yet been disclosed, there is speculation about forms used for a phishing attack on a South African bank. JotForm hosts over two million user-generated forms, and uses software to block fraudulent accounts (65,000 so far), so you can see there's plenty of opportunity for mischief."
this involved a court order.
It works for me...
A lot of people haven't heard of Slashdot. Would that make it right if it were taken offline on the arbitrary say-so of some government functionary?
Dog is my co-pilot.
away from the authority of a shoot first ask questions later country.
Average slashdot user of 2012 missing the point : no news at all, the world is hardly surprised anymore
This is overrating to call this SOPA-style. They were temporarily closed because it was being used to phish information from customers of several different banks.
This is more analogous to the police closing a business after a robbery to preserve evidence. They'll be back up soon enough, and are actually still operating under an alternate domain.
It was my understanding that in the United States, law enforcement (of any kind) is obligated to use the "least intrusive means" they reasonably can to effect an arrest or seizure.
In cases like this, blocking the domain name is so obviously the opposite of "least intrusive", I wonder if they have grounds to prosecute under 18 US 242. I know I would consider it, if this were done to me or my company.
First they came for Julian Assange and Wikileaks. I didn't like Julian Assange or approve of Wikileaks' methods, so I didn't speak up.
Then they came for MegaUpload. I'm not a computer pirate, so I didn't speak up.
Then they came after JotForm. I hadn't even heard of JotForm, so I didn't speak up.
Then they came after me and my blog. There was no one left to speak up....
Does this
They host two million forms created by 700,000 users, so plenty of people have heard of them.
Did you say "insightful" or "inciteful"?
Even if the owners are not guilty of negligence, which it appears they are not (65K forms removed), this sort of arbitrary, no-warrant, no-subpoena, no due-process can absolutely ruin a business.
There is no way the Feds can make up for this; CIO's will say, "Well, I guess we shouldn't use them - we might not have access to our data."
Check your premises.
Let's not say "some government" when it's always the US government.
Please mark .com as depreciated.
And people wonder why we have a 2nd Amendment....
It's there to protect the 1st.
I think you meant deprecated, and .com is not the only one.
It's always the US government because the US government is in complete control over the DNS for the entire planet. If that is what you mean by shut down.
As for blocking, not only the US government does that. It is immensely popular in a lot of countries to do so, and most notably, TPB is being blocked by BREIN recently.
If anything the current DNS system, along with the root servers, needs to be marked as deprecated and replaced with something else.
All the talk of what happens when your data is in the cloud and the business is sold or shutters itself, here is another example. Not only do you have to worry about your dates security and availability for those reasons, now the feds can shut down a service you may use for god knows what important aspects of your business, but you can bet your perfectly legal and confidential business records are now available to the feds sans-warrant. Yeah, cloud computing is the end-all be-all. Think again, get the buzz words out of your head, and your head out of the 'cloud'.
Silence is a state of mime.
A lot of people haven't heard of Slashdot. Would that make it right if it were taken offline on the arbitrary say-so of some government functionary?
Remember, this is the slashdot audience you are addressing - you could get answers of 'Yes', 'No', '[CENSORED]' or some reference to an old television show.
Agree, though, this is only a little island, like so many others. Were it suddenly to become known to certain flash-mob types it could suffer it's very own Slashdot Effect.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Let's not say "some government" when it's always the US government.
Which government do you mean? The grand and glorious one of "We The People" or the one pwned by 1%?
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Sadly, I think the 1st will be dead and buried long before Americans ever wake up and resort to exercising the 2nd.
Sounds like it's resolved anyway (not that it explains why it happened in first place):
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/02/secret-service-asks-for-shutdown-of-legit-website-over-user-content-godaddy-complies.ars
Update: Secret Service spokesman Brian Leary has confirmed to Ars that, after further investigation, his agency is indeed involved in the JotForm case. The Secret Service has also launched an internal review to "make sure all our policies and procedures were followed" in the matter, he added. He could not comment on any other issues surrounding the case, including whether a court order had been obtained.
This is news because it means that any cloud or SaaS site that businesses or non-profit orgs depend on can be shutdown with no recourse for the innocent users. This shows that it is not just users of file sharing sites like MegaUpload (that may live on the edge) that are in danger, but any site (with only the best intentions) but with many users,( some possibly violating the sites usage terms) is at risk. I for one used JotForms for several small sites where the application was not critical, but it could have been. When Intuit (quickbooks online) or Sales Force sites are suspended, it will be no more tragic than this is for some non-proffits and small businesses. I have empathy for the owners and users of the 2 Million or so innocent forms, and so should at least a few slashdotters IMHO.
I would like to add, "A lot of people haven't heard of Slashdot. Would that make it right if it were taken offline on the arbitrary say-so of some government functionary..." and based on the actions of a minority of users? Jotform actively tried to keep illegal activity away. This is no Megaupload.
Here, let me introduce you to regulatory capture.
Dog is my co-pilot.
Copyrights, patents and all other government regulations and money counterfeiting and taxes and laws and wars that go beyond what the authorised by the people via the Constitution to the government are all tools of the totalitarianism.
Sure, YOU may believe that some of what government is pushing is good, so YOU may believe that there is a line that will not be crossed, and you will get something for nothing from the government. You think that government will stop its abuse of power once that abuse helps YOU and it will not be taken further.
Of-course you have to be a fool to believe that.
Just like in the previous SOPA story and every story - I have a perfect metaphor for this I think: government is a noose on the necks of the people.
There is another part needed to hang somebody - a noose and a chair to drop one off it.
Debt can act as that chair.
But so can regulations and laws and taxes and all of this stuff, including copyrights and patents. I am using economic hanging as a metaphor, of-course eventually there will be actual hanging (NDAA and drone strikes against anybody on the planet without a trial), again, governments do not stop abusing their power half-way. They do not stop only where it is convenient for YOU.
You can't handle the truth.
1) Upload infringing content to site.
2) Alert copyright holders (or their "AAgents") to infringing content.
3) Wait until site gets shutdown.
Seems like you could wrap a business model around this as a gun-for-hire...
What is interesting to me is that large websites, such as Facebook and Youtube would probably get a second look by GoDaddy or whatever law enforcement agent dealt with this case. tiny websites with no users are not a threat to anyone and fly under the radar. The way things are set up, the companies who get hurt the most are growing companies with good products, exactly the type we want to help our economy!
We're only getting one side of the story so it's impossible to tell if there was reasonable cause for what appears to be a search of the database. Per updates from JotForm the suspension has been lifted.
...stuff like this needs to stop happening before I throw away my TB USB drives, server boxes and in-house apps and move all my stuff thereto, or rely on any services available thereon. The risk of losing access to my bread and butter because a few people I don't even know or deal with, violate copyright, or because any government decides a few people did so (right or wrong), is a risk I shouldn't have to bear. As it is, it's looking these days like there's probably a lesser risk of losing income and exposure from a fire or physical theft than from arbitrary denials of service like these.
So what you want to see is news reports of someone shooting government officials for cutting off the DNS for his website?
Let's not say "some government" when it's always the US government.
Please mark .com as depreciated.
I don't know, the UK seems to be getting into shutting down websites too.
Any insufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.
65,000 fraudulent accounts and probably another 65,000 that they haven't identified yet. Obviously they had shitty anti-abuse controls in place or they never would have ended up with 65,000 fake accounts. If you are going to offer a free service to the Internet you have a responsibility to the rest of the community to not be a haven for abusive crap like spam/malware/phishing.
Let us shoot the government, using INTERNET BULLETS
Short answer: YES
Goddamn right.
I'm a U.S. citizen, and I'm so fucking sick and tired of the shit my government is doing lately, particularly this shit. Since we obviously can't vote our way out of this crap (since all players are bought long before they even get their fucking name on a ballot), what's next? Half the people in this country don't even care that their rights are being shit upon and just want to go watch NASCAR or Keeping Up With the Kardashians. The rest are split between the people that still have faith in their government (although I can't see how, not anymore) and those that think the whole fucking thing is FUBAR and gave up long ago.
This country is going to end up in civil war again. If I were a foreign business that had any type of connection to the United States, I would get the fuck out ASAP.
First they came for Julian Assange and Wikileaks. I didn't like Julian Assange or approve of Wikileaks' methods, so I didn't speak up.
Then they came for MegaUpload. I'm not a computer pirate, so I didn't speak up.
Then they came after JotForm. I hadn't even heard of JotForm, so I didn't speak up.
Then they came after me and my blog. There was no one left to speak up.
And then they kicked down my front door, and I had no way to tell anyone.
Check your premises.
Troll points to you, sir. Do you honestly believe the issue covered in this article comes anywhere close to the worst things the government is currently doing?
You'll be happy to hear that Jared Lee Loughner exercise his 2nd only last year.
SOPA/PIPA is supposed to be used for copyright violations. What does this have to do with phishing?
Go Daddy has a history of pulling registrations without notification to domain owners. Remember seclists.org and familyalbum.com? Those domains were redirected because of third party complaints. The complaints were not even made by law enforcement. The GoDaddy TOS expressly allows them to suspend service at their discretion and they do it at the first sign of trouble.
I'm not defending GoDaddy in the least, but people doing business with them should be aware of their history and policies.
Where would we be if Wheel had hid her round rock in a cave instead of showing everyone how it rolls?
So that would be pretty much the entire government of the US (and Canada where I live) then?
"The first time I got drunk, I got married. The second time I bought a chimpanzee, after that I stayed sober" Arian Seid
considering you openly worship a fascist who wants to become president of the united states, you should know more about totalitarianism. instead you write this message that shows a complete lack of understanding thereof.
This country is going to end up in civil war again.
Probably not. I doubt one region of the country is so enamored with the federal government that it would be willing to take up arms and battle the rest of the nation to defend it. The first civil war was fought over states rights, among other things, and there was a pretty clear line between the industrial north and the agricultural south. Our present day issues are not so much a battle of conflicting ideologies and regional economies, but the increasing oppressiveness and financial abuse of the common man by the ruling elite. Yes, that old chestnut. So this is less likely to turn into another Civil War (or War Between the States, if you will), and more something resembling the American Revolution, if anything.
If I hadn't used my mod points already on other posts...
I think that's one of my favorite wikipedia pages...
A government should fear it's people, a people should not fear it's government. I'll let you figure out where that paraphrasing comes from.
Om, nomnomnom...
So I can only hope that maybe this news gets them more noticed to compensate them for the losses incurred as a result of a domain registrar and/or US agency (allegedly the Secret Service) that fits somewhere between malicious or stupid (depending on which way Hanlon's Razor swings). Unfortunately, the service they provide seems to be more oriented to small businesses rather than to the geeks that would be reading this at Slashdot and other techie sources.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
Before Julian they came for Massey Energy and the Big Branch Mine. I don't explode and kill my workers so I didn't speak up.
And they came for BP, but I don't spill oil into the Gulf of Mexico so I didn't speak up.
And they came for Union Carbide. I don't leak toxic gas so I didn't speak up.
Then they came for the meat packing plant, but I don't spill blood into rivers so I didn't speak up.
Then they came for the crack house, but I don't create a public nuisance so I didn't speak up.
Then they came for Pacific Gas and Electric, but I put dump hexavalent chromium into the water table so I didn't speak up.
Look, somethings that create value can also create problems. Sometimes those things are shutdown or fined.
> Please mark .com as depreciated.
Depreciated, as in has lost value...
In theory, practice and theory are the same. In practice, they rarely are.
The problem with ongoing investigations, particularly with international ongoing investigations, is that transparency can work against you in big ways. So I really think that the outrage at the US Federal Government is really kind of baseless at this point. They made a request and... Godaddy complied.
However, it's pretty goddamn clear GoDaddy doesn't give two shits about their customers. They should be ashamed of what they do.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
That has nothing to do with the fact that an entire website was nuked off the face of the internet without any judicial oversight whatsoever.
If I get stopped and searched for no reason whatsoever, when the cop decides to let me go because he had no reason to stop me in the first place, should I just say "Well, he let me go, so all's well that end's well"? Come on. That's retarded.
There's a reason why we require court orders before police are just allowed to do whatever they fuck they want, and situations like this are precisely why.
When has the 2nd Amendment successfully been used to protect the 1st?
The content industry claimed that we needed SOPA/PIPA to take down these horrible sites or they'd lose millions upon billions upon trillions and zombies would rise from the grave (or some such... I tend to lose track of their doomsday scenarios if Technology X isn't stopped). We don't have SOPA and yet MegaUpload and JotForm.com were taken down just fine. This is, of course, putting aside whether or not MegaUpload or JotForm *SHOULD* have been taken down. Clearly, though, they have the capability to take sites down as they see fit so why do they need it codified in law?
My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
Think again. I doubt enough people are so upset with the Federal government that they have a snowball's chance in hell of making any headway against it. So what's it going to look like? Orwell's "boot stomping on a human face, forever."
There is an "or" in there that makes all the difference. What it actually says is:
"... or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens..."
So it actually applies to:
"... the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States"
OR to:
"... different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens..."
So it's deprivation of rights OR discrimination. And while IANAL, I have looked up cases and that is how the court has consistently interpreted it.
I get to know all kinds of websites I've never heard before.
I've been thinking about this problem of unilateral takedowns lately, and it seems to me that there now needs to be a concerted effort to converge on the use of a peer-hosted, redundant net-wide filesystem with some simple equivalents to core utils such as FTP, a web browser and perhaps email dropboxes lying on top of it.
Some quick googling around and I found this very interesting project, Tahoe-FS:
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/08/p2p-like-tahoe-filesystem-offers-secure-storage-in-the-cloud.ars
(Demo page showing the concept here): http://bigasterisk.com/tahoe-playground/
Anyone can host their own nodes, it is erasure-tolerant (files are mirrored w/encryption to 10 nodes, only 3 need be available to reconstruct your files).
If we build a browser-like app that could traverse files in this system, no one could take down content so easily anymore. It needs to be so easy to use that -everyone- will use it, like Dropbox but without the single corporate point of failure.
Remember that 1/3 of our nation was against the revolution and 1/3 didn't care. A small, vocal minority can change history.
August 1-2, 1946, in Athens, Georgia.
I know that despite everyone knowing they didn't like what it said, very few people actually read the SOPA bill.
SOPA only applies to foreign sites with foreign name registrars. For sites like this where the US Government can get the name registrar to yank the name or can contact the site owners to tell them to take it down (or else), SOPA isn't needed and indeed wouldn't apply.
SOPA was designed to let the US government block the name resolution of foreign sites when the owners of the site and the foreign name registrars refused to do this. Once that was removed, the only actions left were to block financial transactions to the sites in hopes of defunding them.
Part of the reason Godaddy was for SOPA is because as a US name registrar, they already have to comply with these orders, they likely wanted SOPA to come into effect so this wouldn't keep them at a competitive disadvantage to offshore name registrars who can refuse to comply.
http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/8/20/95
Mostly just the conservatives. They've been trying to reenact Laisseiz-Faire ever since the 1930s when we threw that broken shit out for causing a depression.
Fast-forward to now: they caused another depression (by repealing Glass-Steagall in 1998 and removing most of the other regs when George Dumbya Shrub and the republican congress were doing things unchecked 2001-2007), and they're currently trying to blame the depression they caused on the black guy.
Sadly, you can't use the 2nd amendment on the Internet, to protect the 1st.
Well you could for a while back around 2005, but I think all the states have outlawed it by now.
The physical world here, doesn't really translate well to the virtual.
Clearly not from someone who has a command of the apostrophe.
The possessive form of "its" has no apostophe; you only use "it's" when forming a contraction for "it is"
Examples:
The dog will sleep well tonight after it spent all day chasing its tail.
It's [it is] never a good idea to order pineapple on your pizza.
The U.S. government is extremely corrupt.
And people wonder why we have a 2nd Amendment... It's there to protect the 1st.
One might take that attitude more seriously, if the last decade's expansion of (US) government snooping and whittling away at civil liberties had resulted in an uprising. But I didn't hear a peep out of the 2nd Amendment fans when the "Patriot" act was passed, I didn't hear squat from the gun nuts when government agents were swarming across the country violating laws in the aftermath of 9/11, and I didn't see "right to bear arms" partisans telling the government that if a single person was detained by the government without charges and access to the courts, there would be serious trouble. I didn't see militias marching and saying "an injury to one is an injury to all" when workers' rights were attacked in Wisconsin, or immigrants were attacked in Arizona. Near as I can tell, mostly the people who like to talk about the 2nd Amendment don't give a crap if oppression is carried out in the name of patriotism, or attacking anybody who's a different skin color, language speaker, or religion than themselves. Because if not, where the hell were they, when they were needed?
JotForm now seems to work from Canada.
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Really SOPA style? Slashdot just slowly moves its way down the list of news, its now like the Onion.
Perhaps you should reread the post you responded too.
Well there was a little thing called the "civil rights movement" in the '60s and '70s. You may have heard about it.
Let's see...unions are a legalized labor monopoly. Illegal immigrants are...let's face it, illegal. Basically, you know protecting things like the constitution.
In some ways, I agree with your point.
But I've since re-imagined the War between the states since we had the "Tea Party" march on Washington so that Wall Street tycoons could get more tax breaks. Oh, and so that history books wouldn't bring up inconvenient facts of history about the founding fathers -- because delusional hero worship is so very healthy...
I now think that the South was NOT REALLY fighting for states rights. The Civil War was really a class war. The 1% who had slaves, wanted the rest of the workers who had to compete with slave labor to say; "Hey, you Northern oppressors -- we want to import cheap goods and not have to buy American, because we can't compete by selling good not made by slave labor."
The Slave Masters wanted everyone in the South to say; "WE are being harmed by the North economically" -- when really, slavery probably reduced wages for MOST Southerners.
>> So if there is another civil war -- it will be between the people fighting for the Common Good, and those people who are convinced that they are destined to be a CEO.
>>"ad space available -- low rates!!!"
It's not just JotForms. Google is now the leading site being exploited to host phishing pages. Google has reasonable defenses against phishing for their "sites" product. However, Google doesn't seem to have those protections on their document and spreadsheet products. Here's a fake login form hosted by Google. That's been up since 2010. Here's a fake login page hosted as a Google spreadsheet. Google allows unlimited HTML in a spreadsheet, which means it can be abused in this way. We have a full list, if anyone is interested.
"formbuddy.com" and "surveymonkey.com" can also be abused in this way. Formbuddy seems to kick phishing pages off quickly. Surveymonkey, not so good at this.
If you offer free hosting, and don't have aggressive anti-phishing controls in place, you will be pwned.
Right on the money. I wish I had mod points to give you.
The Lost Cause may seem romantic, but anyone who doubts that the Civil War was really about slavery needs to read the declaration of secession:
Legislation forcing banks into sub-prime mortgages had nothing to do with it.
lmao, people are doing illegal shit or allowing it or it wouldn't get taken down.. also i hate nascar with a passion but every ignorant democratic says go back to watching nascar.. like it even would be an insult if i liked it anyways.
They had to do some pretty disgusting things against the third that didn't care, the legislatures were controlled by the third that did care and there was somewhere for the third who didn't care to go.
Also there was a lot of money to be made by getting out of British domination. eg land speculators who were pissed at the tyrant wanting to treat all his subjects equally as well as the laws favouring the established British businesses. Some very articulate people with presses on the side of those who cared as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
August 1-2, 1946, in Athens, Georgia.
No, they broke into the local armory for their weapons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
The thing is that it wasn't for no reason whatsoever. The cops can't do it without evidence or that is an illegal seizure and we already have laws for that. It's like if you owned a store and the police caught guys over and over selling drugs at your store. Then they told you to prevent drugs from being sold in your store or report the illegal activity but you didn't. Doing nothing to prevent a crime occurring on your property, i.e. website, is aiding and abetting criminals.
and they're currently trying to blame the depression they caused on the black guy.
To be fair, having a black president and having our credit rating subsequently drop doesn't exactly help Obama's case.
Random Thoughts From A Diseased Mind (Not For Dummies)
A state is a monopoly on violence exercised over territory. I'll let you figure out where THAT paraphrasing is from (Hint: it's from someone who didn't own slaves).
And way to quote Dick Analfroth, grandparent. What are we gonna do? March to the doors of the "government" and start shooting government employees because they handled an online identity theft case indelicately? Hint: before you start whipping your libertarian dick out, make sure there's a reason to, and maybe also make sure it's big enough that you won't be embarrassed.
So what you want to see is news reports of someone shooting government officials for cutting off the DNS for his website?
Yes, that would be awesome.
1% that dominates USA are doing pretty discusting things to rest 99%. When 99% realise that they are no longer Empire, or that dudes in India or Russia live better lives and are over all in better conditions - guess what's gonna happend. USA builds hate from all around world over time. It will come back to it eventually in form of bad economy. It already does come back. While I am not too happy about tortures, i am glad that nothing has changed in major way in those revolutionary countries. One dictator changes another. Hopefully sooner or later people will want to live better lives and will want their neighbours to have better live too.
1/3 is a small minority?
"But this one goes to 11!"
FCK YEAH!
Can we pls shoot Bush junior?
Please? Pretty please?
It's always the US government because the US government is in complete control over the DNS for the entire planet
that's just what Americans want the rest of the world to think
http://www.isoc.org/briefings/020/
http://www.root-servers.org/
The situation you describe sounds a lot like the NYPD's "Stop and Frisk" program. Literally thousands of people are stopped and searched for no reason daily in NYC. I'm guessing you're white, otherwise you might know that that kind of behavior is par for the course in the US.
Am I the only one thinking that temporarily migrating from the suspended .com to a .net domain is probably the most stupid thing they could do? Seriously, switching from one controlled TLD to another on the same "jurisdiction"...
It's not uncommon for sites to get hacked (one every 3.5 seconds is the current rate), and in some cases this is so they can host a phishing form (which is why the US government took down JotForm.com).
Given this draconian approach to removing some phishing forms, and given that's it's tough to completely stop hackers, it's clear that this could happen to any site, or to cloud services that host your content under a shared domain (maybe even Tumblr or Pinterest).
The only protection is not to host sites with US-based registrars.
I would hope that EU-based registrars for .com etc should be safer from this sort of action - can anyone confirm? Failing that you could go for a country domain.
I am not a number, I am a free man!
You're a temporary arrangement of matter sliding towards oblivion in a cold, uncaring universe
Except that the credit rating agency explicitly said that the reason they reduced the credit rating was because of the grandstanding Republicans did against raising the national debt limit.
TCP: Why the Internet is full of SYN.
funny I was watching a documentary on the rise of hitler last night. The first camps created by the nazis were for political prisoners, and sold to the German people as "education" camps. Thought occured to me that I wonder how long it will be before the US goverment starts selling reeducation as an excuse for detention. Then I relized they are already doing it by shutdown web sites such as wikileaks and others that do not follow the political / coporate party line. With the real effect of increasing self-censorship among the blocks and sites that have not been hit.
We are already well pass the point of no return.
If you value your life, get out of the United States.
We are not just talking about your right to post garbage online. We are talking about your right to talk, and more exactly for people to think about doing otherwise.
Cause last time I checked, it didn't. What the hell is this?
What happens if you say "I do not consent to a search of my person" - dont they have to provide just cause then?
But in this case it's like arresting the landlord of an office block because an employee belonging to one of his tenants was selling drugs in the parking lot.
All this can go on Freenet and SOPA / PIPA / CHUPA PINGA style legislation can go pack sand. Freenet isn't susceptible to some of the legal attacks so far presented, hence why there is nasty shit there always. But as a medium for free exchange of information, it is bar none, due to that inability to be censored! Sad that more don't hook up. But SOPA / PIPA and the shutdown of file sharing sites will insure that Freenet gets more users.
http://freenetproject.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet
WARNING: Offensive content will also be found on Freenet. You'll know which, as they don't hide themselves. Don't browse to those sites...
I know! I get so angry when....wait. Keeping Up With The Kardashians is still on the air?
The response could easily be "just cause" I want to, and I'll beat you and charge you with obstruction of justice or resisting arrest if you don't "consent".
It might look like cruel move, but in these times fast reaction like this is the only way to protect the artists. Of course, these filthy pirates are now crying all kinds of bullshit like that they didn't host files but forms, but we all know that the site was used mainly for piracy.
Well there was a little thing called the "civil rights movement" in the '60s and '70s. You may have heard about it.
The civil rights movement was a non-violent direct action protest organisation.
The people using guns were the authorities, not the civil rights protesters.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
If you're not on the side of labour unions and immigrants (and who said anything about them being illegal?) you are on the side of the power elite, and your talk about defending freedom with your guns is just bullshit.
You're part of the problem, not the potential solution.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Surfin' in the CSA (Corporate States of America)!!!
Surfin' in the CSA (Corporate States of America)! Yay!
Since we obviously can't vote our way out of this crap (since all players are bought long before they even get their fucking name on a ballot), what's next?
If you're not interested in pre-bought politicians, don't vote democrat or republican. Vote independent, libertarian, green. Talk all of your friends into voting for yourself. Anything but voting for the plutocrats.
If at all possible, find candidates that are interested in real campaign finance reform.
The passage I quoted is actually from a 1852 document, "Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union." I think it's representative, but I was wrong to describe it as the declaration of secession and I believe it's important to correct the error.
And they came for Massey Energy, which instead of a criminal trial is receiving a (tax deductible) fine.
And they didn't come for Union Carbide ... not their jurisdiction, sorry.
And they came for the meat packing plants ... they took the undocumented workers, and left the MRSA and O157:H7 E. coli in place.
And they came for San Diego Gas and Electric for causing a 200,000 acre fire, and decided the ratepayers (not the stock holders) will pay the fine.
Jotform's webforms made it easy for script kiddies to launch their 'own' phishing attacks. Whether or not jotform was involved with many of the actual dollars lost to phishing, they were extremely visible because any annoying person could use jotform to cut and paste together an attack.
SOPA es muy estupido!!!!
Consider John Brown and similar activities. He was out to kill whites in the area, did not scruple about which ones. (His activities in Kansas got a family who appeared to have been trying to get away from slavery, just moved to the wrong side of town.) The slave population was a powder keg and anyone who looked or sounded inclined to sympathize with the abolitionist filibustering expeditions was getting to appear careless with matches. Have a look at some of the primary literature of the period (letters, news...). Meanwhile in the North the use of the Federal Govt. to come and arrest blacks as "runaway slaves" looked at least as unreasonable as the current behavior of the US Govt. treating people as "terrorists" at the drop of a hat. In this case though it was blamed on the Slave Power (as Twain called it). Terrorism on both sides. People get worked up to fight when they find their persons threatened, not over just economic injustice. (Proof: the factory workers in the Northern mills didn't start to get decent treatment for several more decades, and that took organized labor.)
So what you want to see is news reports of someone shooting government officials for cutting off the DNS for his website?
Yes! That might finally make some of those narrow-minded censors thinks about their actions.
And they came for Union Carbide. I don't leak toxic gas so I didn't speak up.
You mean, you never enjoy a nice serving of tacos and beans?
Your country is moving to an oligopoly, where the large organizations will run the country, and run your lives. The USA democratic beliefs of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, will be historical dreams that are to be ignored. Forget your constitution, it only gets in the way of the wealthy companies
Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
Take note of this: "...the Secret Service still isn't talking, returning a bland and meaningless statement to press requests: 'We are aware of the incident and we're reviewing it internally to make sure all the proper procedures and protocols were followed.' "
When the company contacted the Secret Service, asking why their site was down, "the agent told me she is busy and she asked for my phone number, and told me they will get back to me within this week".
To date they still have no explanation and no court order concerning the take-down of their site. Even if there were a court order, there is zero reason not to contact the business and provide them a chance to cushion the effects for their legitimate customers. This sort of behavior is irresponsible. Clearly, court orders, due process and formal procedures are for wimps, not the elite *drum roll* Secret Service.
I hope JotForm can afford to file a court case over this. This sort of thing can do immense damage to a company's reputation, and someone in the Secret Service needs a slap upside the head.
In any case, as others have observed, any serious Internet company needs to avoid all TLDs controlled in the USA. Sure, register a .com address, but use it to forward to your real site, hosted under a different TLD - and make it clear to users that the non-.com TLD is the correct one.
Unrelated to the Internet, but nonetheless relevant: About 10 years ago I was with a small European company that was marketing a new ERP system to small companies. Our attorney told us flat-out: do not sell to anyone in the USA. The legal system is so screwed that it just isn't worth the risk - the laws are impossible, the customers sue at the drop of the hat, etc, etc. To underscore this, any sort of legal or liability insurance we looked at specifically excluded coverage for business transacted with US customers. It appears that things have only gotten worse...
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
"A state is a monopoly on violence exercised over territory." - very good. Saved. I will try to track down the original. But the monopoply is enforced through the very violence it claims monopoly over. (FYI, I haven't got a libertarian dick; I'm an anarchist. )
Perhaps because raising the national debt limit instead of reducing spending is fiscally irresponsible?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
The bill that ultimately "repealed" the Act was brought up in the Senate by Phil Gramm (R-Texas) and in the House of Representatives by Jim Leach (R-Iowa) in 1999. The bills were passed by a Republican majority, basically following party lines by a 54–44 vote in the Senate[15] and by a bi-partisan 343–86 vote in the House of Representatives.[16] After passing both the Senate and House the bill was moved to a conference committee to work out the differences between the Senate and House versions. The final bill resolving the differences was passed in the Senate 90–8 (one not voting) and in the House: 362–57 (15 not voting). The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.[17]
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act
You mean the bill passed by a bi-partisan support and signed into law by a Democrat president?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Hasn't this already happened before. There is but one post that has ever been removed from /.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Whether it is or not, that's not the primary thing that prompted the downgrade:
--Standards and Poor's, quoted in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_credit-rating_downgrade,_2011
TCP: Why the Internet is full of SYN.
Except that the credit rating agency explicitly said that the reason they reduced the credit rating was because of the grandstanding Republicans did against raising the national debt limit.
This is what I responded to. The whole problem was that neither party could agree on what to cut. Both parties were stubborn, and then near the end, the Repubs did not want to raise the debt ceiling, which is the proper course, the spending should be lowered, not just spend more money. Both parties are just as guilty for using "political bargaining chips in the debate over fiscal policy", but it was the Repubs who tried to say no to raising the debt ceiling, as that is the wrong thing to do when spending is so high.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?