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Avoiding Red Lights By Booking Ahead

RedEaredSlider writes "Peter Stone, associate professor of computer science at the University of Texas at Austin, has presented an idea at the AAAS meeting today for managing intersections: a computer in a car calls ahead to the nearest intersection it is headed towards, and says it will arrive at a given time. The intersection checks to see if anyone else is arriving then, and if the slot is open, it tells the car to proceed. If it isn't, it tells the car that the car remains responsible for slowing down or stopping. He says that even with only a few connected cars, the system still works, even if the benefits are still only to those who have the connected vehicles."

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  1. What happens when people change their minds.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...before arriving at the light? How far ahead are they "booking" a slot? How long until the slot becomes available if the car with the reservation isn't going to arrive. This really only sounds useful in more rural areas. I can't see a city with lights on every block being able to implement this technology with any kind of efficiency.

    1. Re:What happens when people change their minds.. by kermyt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      sure during peak hours this in not great for urban traffic but off peak times it would still be very feasible. It's about time Traffic and traffic control started communicating in a smart way. This sort of tech is all precursor to auto drive cars.

    2. Re:What happens when people change their minds.. by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sorry... FAIL. This system will ONLY work if we remove humans as a variable in the equation.

      Seriously? FAIL? You find one particular scenario where it would provide optimal performance and somehow this means the system has failed? So what is your solution then? Do not implement a system that would make traffic flow better in 90% of cases just because the 10% would not be improved?

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      It is a curious reaction that we often see on /. on stories about inventions. People either dismiss it because of one edge case (like now), or they will say that they personally do not need the technology so it should not be implemented. Myself, I use public transport more often than I drive but that doesn't mean that I think we should not improve traffic flow for cars. To do so would be amazingly self-centered.
      </RANT>

      As to your particular concern, we are in the process of removing humans as a variable. Even ignoring the work being done on auto-driving cars, how many cars do you see with navigation systems in them these days. Sure, you don't input your destination into these every time if you know where you are going, but would you do so if it meant that you were more likely to get a dream run of green traffic lights?

    3. Re:What happens when people change their minds.. by sco08y · · Score: 4, Funny

      Good rant, but a few nitpicks:

      1. No, the usage of 'fail' was entirely appropriate.

      Defined by popular usage, FAIL means "there was a slight incongruity between what was promised and what was delivered, and by the way, I'm slightly retarded." (For comparison, EPIC FAIL is the same as FAIL, with the addendum, 'and I shat myself.')

      If the speaker had meant to imply that the system really didn't perform, he would have written that it performs "literally."

      2. If you ask one thousand experts about your great idea, you'll find that 990 of them aren't experts, 9 of the 10 remaining will only tell you all the ways it can't work, and the last guy will try to steal your idea.

  2. Already implemented here by jayveekay · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are induction loops (metal dectors) buried in the pavement that tell the traffic lights about approaching cars. When my car passes over the loop it is telling the traffic signal at the intersection that I will be arriving within 10 seconds. If there is no cross traffic the light tells me to proceed by changing to green (or remaining green).

    1. Re:Already implemented here by rrohbeck · · Score: 3, Informative

      And they often don't detect motorcycles so you stand at a red light for a few minutes without crosstraffic until you decide to go ahead against the red light.

  3. I've been doing this for years by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Any time you are driving on surface streets (hate that term), you soon learn to "drive the stop-lights" by looking ahead a block or two. Its
    not that hard, and even when you can't see the lights driving just about the speed limit will be close enough to get you 5 greens out of 6 tries.

    That being said, anything that can guarantee more greens is welcome, but putting it in cars seems the wrong approach. If the stop lights just
    talked to each other you would have enough info. When Stoplight A can't clear its queue in the allotted green, you can pretty much bet stoplight B won't be able to do so when that slug of cars reaches it.

    In most cases the problem is dumb signals, hold overs from the Pleistocene, with no attempt to make traffic efficient.

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    1. Re:I've been doing this for years by alphatel · · Score: 4, Funny

      I do this as well. It's called Booking Ahead, as in Hit The Gas. Beats the red light everytime.

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  4. Car? by stms · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why not just use smart phones it'd be just as simple to attach the correct sensor or it may be able to use the gps most of them already have.

  5. Re:Roundabouts by topham · · Score: 4, Funny

    Tell that to the people in my neighbourhood who don't have a clue how to deal with a roundabout.

  6. A possible improvement by subreality · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the light doesn't have a slot knows there will be one available just a bit later, the light can signal the car to coast down from 45MPH to 35MPH, arriving just a bit later. By doing so it reduces the energy lost into the brakes and the car ends up coasting through the intersection on the green light instead of stopping and then having to restart just a few seconds later.

    You can do this manually by paying attention to what's going on in the next several stoplights. It saves gas and brake wear. It's kind of nice just cruising along and hitting all the lights. Getting feedback from the light would make it much more effective.

    Unfortunately it also drives some drivers crazy. They can't stand it that I'm going 35MPH in a 45MPH zone and go racing past... Just to end up stopped at a stoplight which then turns green a few seconds later and I go drifting on past. And still they don't get it.

  7. Re:Roundabouts by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

    Scary, isn't it. We had a roundabout put in one of our major intersections about a year ago (to much wailing and rending of garments). Perhaps 90% of drivers picked it up in the first few weeks. The other 10%, well, all I can say it's a shame that speeds are so low that we'll never get rid of them via traffic accidents. We just have to find some better way.

    Nobody really liked my idea of putting forks in some power outlets to see who would pull them out.

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  8. The Good Professor is Confused by RonVNX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps things are different in Texas, but where I live the majority of traffic lights and stop signs are installed for the express purpose of impeding the flow of traffic. Trying to sell them a sensible system to improve traffic flow, reduce pollution and ticketable offenses is the last thing they'd be interested in.

    1. Re:The Good Professor is Confused by pclminion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's fucking retarded. Try walking outside high noon in August in this city. Your face will melt off and your sneakers will turn into a puddle of gummy ooze.

      If you actually went out in that weather regularly maybe you'd acclimatize to it. Why live in perpetual war with your environment?

  9. Re:Roundabouts by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Informative

    One source says there are less then 1200 roundabouts in the UK.

    A slide in some American organisation's powerpoint presentation. It's ridiculously wrong.

    There are 66 cities in the UK. That figure would mean just 18 roundabouts per city. If you forgot about all of the ones on the motorways and A roads in the countryside and towns. Which anyone who knows the UK can see is stupidly low.

    Heck Milton Keynes alone has around 300 roundabouts, and thats only a town, not a city.

    There doesn't appear to be any count of the number of roundabouts in the UK. There are far too many to count.

    There's not really any reason to second guess why that powerpoint slide has it so wrong. But just for the hell of it... I guess they asked the UK Highways Agency. Which only maintains motorways and major trunk roads. Most roads and therefore roundabouts are under the jurisdiction of local councils. It's kind of like the difference between the US federal government and individual states and counties.

  10. This already exists in civilized countries... by Terje+Mathisen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...but only for public transport!

    My wife worked for 9 years optimizing public transport in Oslo, Norway.

    One of the key items behind a significant speedup for both buses and trams was a system where each vehicle would signal ahead a given distance before arriving at an intersection, again as it entered, and finally as it left. If you visit Oslo and sit up front in a bus or tram you can see the visual feedback the driver gets: A single white LED mounted near the top of the traffic signal will light up, either blinking or in a steady state.

    There is (of course) a web site and a mobile app which will give you real-time information about any given bus/tram/line/stop, as well as rolling displays at all major stops that show the same info.

    http://trafikanten.no/ and http://m.trafikanten.no/

    Terje

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