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Astronomers Confirm a Hot and Steamy Exoplanet

The Bad Astronomer writes "The extrasolar planet GJ 1214b was discovered in 2009 orbiting a nearby (40 light year distant) red dwarf star. The planet was quickly found to have a thick atmosphere, but it wasn't known at the time if the composition was water vapor or a hazy shroud of particulates. New Hubble observations confirm the atmosphere of the exoplanet is rich in water, comprising up to 50% of the atmosphere's mass (PDF). At 230 degrees Celsius, this means the planet is shrouded in steam."

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  1. My ex... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    was a hot and steamy exoplanet.

    1. Re:My ex... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's because she's your ex. When you were with her she was as big as a planet.

      Thank you, thank you. I'll be kicked off stage now.

    2. Re:My ex... by Megane · · Score: 2

      I'm waiting for a dark and stormy exoplanet.

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  2. What about the poles? by fezzzz · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder what the water temperature at this planet's poles are

    1. Re:What about the poles? by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Well, it's 75 times closer to the star than us so the starlight comes from a wider angle plus a steam atmosphere sounds like a pretty good heat conductor so I doubt it's all that different. But if it's tidally locked, the dark side of the planet could be interesting...

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    2. Re:What about the poles? by CSMoran · · Score: 3, Funny

      What about the poles?

      They haven't got there yet.

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    3. Re:What about the poles? by Darfeld · · Score: 3, Informative

      75 times closer to a Star five times smaller than the sun. I'm not gonna do the math if it's more complex than the apparent 5/4 ratio but it's important to consider the size of the Star if you're gonna talk about wide angle. And there might be a matter of brightness of the star too.

      Anyway, the planet apparently does get more light, since its temperature is about 200C

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    4. Re:What about the poles? by mbone · · Score: 2

      A planet like this is highly likely to be like Venus, with more or less the same temperature everywhere on the surface. Thick atmospheres will do that for you, and this is likely to have almost as high a surface pressure as Venus.

  3. The observations don't "confirm" anything by solarissmoke · · Score: 5, Informative

    New Hubble observations confirm the atmosphere of the exoplanet is rich in water, comprising up to 50% of the atmosphere's mass.

    Actually, they do nothing of the sort. They just make water a more probable explanation for the observations. It says as much in the article.

    These abstracts both state that the data indicates an atmosphere high in hydrogen and helium, but (taken from the second abstract):

    Our observations disfavour a water-world composition, but such a composition will remain a possibility until observations reconfirm our deeper Ks-band transit depth or detect features at other wavelengths.

    1. Re:The observations don't "confirm" anything by Kjella · · Score: 3, Informative

      From the linked PDF, last of section 5.1 on page 15:

      In the meantime, we adopt an atmosphere with at least 50% water by mass as the most plausible model to explain the WFC3 observations.

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  4. Re:what it feels like in there... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 3, Funny

    Standing on what little land exists here, you watch a giant red dwarf sink slowly into the horizon of a hot ocean.

    What a coincidence ... I was at the same party. That sunburned dwarf was pissed when they finally fished him out of the water.

  5. It won't stay that way for long by Viol8 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Even if it doesn't spiral into the star the UV will be slowly splitting the water into its component parts and the hydrogen will disappear off into space. What happens to the O2 after that is anyones guess - perhaps it'll react with whatever rock is there or perhaps it'll end up as a huge oxygen atmosphere.

    1. Re:It won't stay that way for long by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 3, Informative

      Where did you learn physics? Gravity is NOT a result of mass divided by volume. It's 1/r^2. That's mass divided by the surface area of the enclosing sphere.

    2. Re:It won't stay that way for long by dmgxmichael · · Score: 4, Informative

      Low density? Density doesn't enter into the equation here - gravity is a function of mass, not density. Here, look at this

      • Planet - Density
      • Mercury - 5.427 g/cm
      • Venus - 5.204 g/cm
      • Earth - 5.515 g/cm
      • Mars - 3.9335 g/cm
      • Jupiter - 1.326 g/cm
      • Saturn - 0.687 g/cm
      • Uranus - 1.27 g/cm
      • Neptune - 1.638 g/cm

      Note, the inner rocky planets are WAY more dense than the gas giants - hell Saturn would float if you could find a bathtub big enough to throw it in. Saturn and Jupiter have no problem holding onto H2.

      This planet is 6.5 the mass of earth. Uranus, the smallest gas giant in our own system is 14 times the mass of earth and has half the density of this planet.

      This isn't surprising. This planet seems to occupy a transition zone between rocky planet and gas giant. Uranus & Neptune are primarily Methane.

      I wonder if it turns out that most planets of a certain mass range are mostly water - earth being on the one end and this new planet on the other side of the curve. After a point the gases in the planet transition to methane for some reason, then finally to just diatomic hydrogen in the case of the largest gas giants, and finally stars.

      We already know that Jupiter is about as large as a planet can get by volume - any larger and the density starts increasing again, until fusion occurs and you get a star somewhere around 50 Jupiter masses. (Some astronomer please correct me on that).

  6. Hot and steamy? by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Funny

    With green, topless alien women seducing plucky Canadian starship captains........

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  7. Re:what it feels like in there... by eyenot · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The red, vain soul with a high degree of vertical challenge ever so slowly slipped out of sight past the horizon, less like a setting Sun than a discovered pervert shying away from sight with the slow shuffle that only stars can make look graceful in bathrobes, his red."

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  8. Waterworld ! by mbone · · Score: 4, Informative

    With a density of 2 gm /cc, this is likely to be a true water world - a world where a rocky interior is surrounded by thousands of miles of ice (not "our" ice, but Ice XI, X, VII), probably a few 100 km of hot liquid (kept from boiling by pressure), and then a steam bath. Look at this phase diagram, and remember that you are starting at 500 K or so, and the pressure increases greatly at depth, so going down into the planet means you are probably following a nearly vertical (but tilted to the right) line on the phase diagram.

  9. Re:what it feels like in there... by mbone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Cool picture, but true water worlds are unlikely to have any true land (i.e., rocks at the surface). What they may have are mats of carbon materials too light to sink. On water worlds with biology, creatures may evolve to form such mats in symbiosis with air breathing animals (i.e., giving them a place to live, in return for goodies like nitrogen fixation from the atmosphere in their excretions), in much the same way as corals (the creatures that build coral reefs) get up to 90% of their nutrients from their symbionts.

    Now, that would be a water world Kevin Costner could be proud of.