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Women More Likely To Unfriend Than Men

Hugh Pickens writes "AFP reports that a study by the Pew Research Center's Internet and American Life Project shows that women are more likely than men to delete friends from their online social networks like Facebook and tend to choose more restrictive privacy settings. Sixty-seven percent of women who maintain a social networking profile said they have deleted friends compared with 58 percent of men. The study also found that men are nearly twice as likely as women to have posted updates, comments, photos or videos that they later regret (PDF). 'Even as social media users become more active curators of their profile, a small group of what might be described as trigger-happy users say they post updates, comments, photos, or videos that they later regret sharing.'"

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  1. Nothing to see here by dugjohnson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The study also found that men are nearly twice as likely as women to have posted updates, comments, photos or videos that they later regret " or "Men more impulsive than women" Hmmm. Big surprise there.

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    1. Re:Nothing to see here by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

      Also, 67 vs 58 percent doesn't strike me as a distinguishing difference (+- 2.4%) .

      There are some more interesting ones though:

      Women are significantly more likely than men -- by a 67 percent to 48 percent margin -- to set their profile to private, the study said.

      Forty-eight percent said they have some difficulty with privacy controls while 49 percent said they did not experience any difficulty.

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    2. Re:Nothing to see here by __aarzwb9394 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does this reflect higher concern re stalking (in the spectrum from the dangerous, life ruining/threatening kind to I don't want an old boyfriend to know about me)?
      Seems likely to me.
      I bet those of us worried about privacy in a big brother, what-can-future-employers-find-out-about-me way are more male than female, since that's probably correlated with higher computer literacy.

    3. Re:Nothing to see here by ToadProphet · · Score: 1

      I find it amusing that someone funded a survey when they could get much more accurate data from a couple lines of SQL. Assuming one of the social networking sites would provide the info, of course.

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    4. Re:Nothing to see here by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More like "Women less regretful than men, more likely to blame others."

      That's possibly true. Socially women are seen as victims if people misuse or ogle their pictures, where as men are seen as "fair game". This would certainly encourage women to feel "poor me, I din nothing wrong its all these nasty people", whereas men would think "oh how could I have been so dumb".

    5. Re:Nothing to see here by BobK65 · · Score: 2

      That 67 vs 58 unfriending figure should have been controlled according to the average number of friends for each of the sexes. I suspect they wouldn't be equal. Even as a separate category average friends for each of the sexes would be interesting to know. Meh. Maybe they just didn't want to deal with classifying transvestites.

    6. Re:Nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > and eat light at dinnertime

      Do you have any idea whatsoever how many hours it takes from food being ingested to coming out as shit through the other end? It wouldn't make a damn bit of difference if she ate a whole fucking cow with side order of 2 whole lambs and half an oil tanker. Unless, of course, you're feeding her e.coli icecream for dinner, then all bets are off, although I somehow don't think you'd even entertain the notion of eating her pussy while she has explosive diarrhea.

    7. Re:Nothing to see here by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      no need for sexism. the argument could be made that women unfriend more often due to less control over emotional impulsivity. when women severe social ties, it's often a lot more dramatic than men.

    8. Re:Nothing to see here by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 1

      That 67 vs 58 unfriending figure should have been controlled according to the average number of friends for each of the sexes. I suspect they wouldn't be equal. Even as a separate category average friends for each of the sexes would be interesting to know. Meh. Maybe they just didn't want to deal with classifying transvestites.

      I bet it's evened out by women being more likely to approve a friend they don't really want in the first place and then defriending them later.

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    9. Re:Nothing to see here by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 2

      While you're right on the first one, try telling yourself the second one while watching me curse the motherfucker that keeps breaking into my house and moving my fucking keys.

      I'll get that son of a bitch if it's the last thing I do (it will be the last thing I do).

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    10. Re:Nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      fachinas

      Is that the part of the body where fascism comes from?

    11. Re:Nothing to see here by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      While you're right on the first one, try telling yourself the second one while watching me curse the motherfucker that keeps breaking into my house and moving my fucking keys.

      I'll get that son of a bitch if it's the last thing I do (it will be the last thing I do).

      Let me guess. You always then find your keys in the freezer next to the frozen banana guacamole?

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  2. Still holding out. by philip.paradis · · Score: 4, Informative

    I still don't have a Facebook account, and am no worse the wear for it. I have noted that of my family and friends who do have accounts, the ones who typically talk about their Facebook activity the most are definitely the women, and a lot of that talk seems to swing between gossip and outright vicious assaults. I'll just stay out of that mess, thanks.

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    1. Re:Still holding out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Facebook is like most other technologies. You get out of it what you put into it.

      News at 11.

    2. Re:Still holding out. by shentino · · Score: 1

      Only reasons I have a facebook now:

      1) Tried it out before the privacy debacle hit the fan, then found myself held captive with Facebook flat out refusing to delete me even though I followed the 2 week removal procedure to the letter.

      2) Some of my friends have already been suckered in and Facebook has many communication facilities locked down to members only, so I dusted it off as the only way to stay in touch with them.

    3. Re:Still holding out. by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

      1) Tried it out before the privacy debacle hit the fan, then found myself held captive with Facebook flat out refusing to delete me even though I followed the 2 week removal procedure to the letter.

      Sounds like a compelling reason to stay away from Facebook, to demand that your account be deleted, and to let the news media know about what they are doing.

      2) Some of my friends have already been suckered in and Facebook has many communication facilities locked down to members only, so I dusted it off as the only way to stay in touch with them.

      "I am not on Facebook"; if your friends refuse to talk to you because you do not use Facebook, then I would reevaluate your relationship with them. Why give in to Facebook's attempt to take control of the world's communication, especially when we have so many systems that are not controlled by any one party?

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    4. Re:Still holding out. by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Facebook is like most other technologies

      Facebook is a technology now? That is kind of like calling Slashdot a "technology."

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    5. Re:Still holding out. by ironjaw33 · · Score: 1

      "I am not on Facebook"; if your friends refuse to talk to you because you do not use Facebook, then I would reevaluate your relationship with them. Why give in to Facebook's attempt to take control of the world's communication, especially when we have so many systems that are not controlled by any one party?

      Which communication modalities aren't under the control of a monopolist? Snail mail is dominated by the postal service. For the longest time, in the US, phone service was only available through AT&T, but today with wireless, you've got a whopping 4 choices. Internet access is also pretty much the same -- you're lucky if you have more than one ISP to choose from.

      However, I would argue that mail, phone service, etc. have little competition because of the high infrastructure cost for a new competitor. Facebook is different in that the large interconnected user base is what creates the barrier to entry.

    6. Re:Still holding out. by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which communication modalities aren't under the control of a monopolist?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC

      you're lucky if you have more than one ISP to choose from.

      Except that the Internet is not controlled by that one ISP, only your connection to it. No matter how you connect to Facebook, it is a communication system that is controlled entirely by one company. That is the difference here.

      Facebook is different in that the large interconnected user base is what creates the barrier to entry.

      No, the fact that Facebook has made no substantial effort at being interoperable with any other system is what creates a barrier to entry.

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    7. Re:Still holding out. by houghi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or a /. editor an editor.

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    8. Re:Still holding out. by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Email: 75% spam

      USENET: 99% spam and zero privacy unless you run your own server

      IRC: your non-geek friends have never heard of it.

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    9. Re:Still holding out. by ironjaw33 · · Score: 1

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC

      These are protocols, not services. They enable communication, but they don't provide it. Furthermore, nobody uses IRC or Usenet anymore, illustrating that popularity is the limiting factor. Email is a different story -- you can try to host your own mail server but it's a huge PITA to set up SPF records and whatnot to keep your outgoing mail from getting bounced. You're pretty much stuck with one of a handful of email providers.

      Except that the Internet is not controlled by that one ISP, only your connection to it. No matter how you connect to Facebook, it is a communication system that is controlled entirely by one company. That is the difference here.

      Does it matter? To you, the end user, the end result is the same. A service is provided to you by a monopolist.

      No, the fact that Facebook has made no substantial effort at being interoperable with any other system is what creates a barrier to entry.

      Diaspora comes readily to mind here. It's open source and decentralized, yet nobody uses it because everyone that wants online social networking already uses Facebook. More to the point, if Facebook were to suddenly change course and allow you to host your own data and provide an open, decentralized service, would you then consider using it?

    10. Re:Still holding out. by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      Email: 75% spam

      Might I recommend using a spam filter? I only see one or two spam messages per month...

      USENET: 99% spam and zero privacy unless you run your own server

      I guess that it depends on which newsgroups you are reading; I rarely see spam in sci.crypt or the other groups I read. As for privacy, I have no clue what it is that you are referring to here -- are you concerned that other people are going to read your messages in a discussion system? That is like claiming that people are going to read the messages that you post in Facebook groups or other forums.

      IRC: your non-geek friends have never heard of it.

      1. So what?
      2. I know plenty of non-techie IRC users
      3. It was an example of a system that is not controlled by any monopoly. Would you have preferred that I said XMPP?
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    11. Re:Still holding out. by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      These are protocols, not services

      Which is what communication systems are all about: protocol. Facebook is a protocol too, in some sense, but it is one that can only enable communication on the service run by Facebook the company. Compare this to the examples I gave, in which there are well defined rules for how different services can interoperate with each other and exchanges messages.

      Furthermore, nobody uses IRC or Usenet anymore

      These are claims that we should try to avoid making. There are quite a few IRC and Usenet users left; take a look at Freenode, EFNet, etc., and sci.crypt, rec.radio.shortwave, sci.math, etc. Just because you do not personally use a particular system anymore does not mean that nobody else does. IRC and Usenet are also popular for downloading movies and music, which is certainly a form of communication.

      Email is a different story -- you can try to host your own mail server but it's a huge PITA to set up SPF records and whatnot to keep your outgoing mail from getting bounced. You're pretty much stuck with one of a handful of email providers.

      Which is still much better than the situation on Facebook, where there can be only one service provider.

      More to the point, if Facebook were to suddenly change course and allow you to host your own data and provide an open, decentralized service, would you then consider using it?

      I could see myself doing so. Keep in mind that there are different levels of openness; Slashdot does not exchange posts with any other system, but you do not have to register with Slashdot to read or post comments. I have also seen links to Slashdot stories posted on various forums (including Usenet), where users of those systems post their own comments; this is substantially harder to do with Facebook, where most things require a login. I would not be terribly opposed to "using" Facebook's service in the sense of visiting a URL, if I did not have to log in to do so.

      I would also not be opposed to communicating with Facebook users if Facebook could interoperate with other services or systems. It would not be hard for Facebook to define a basic method of sending messages, friend requests, group memberships, and so forth through other systems.

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    12. Re:Still holding out. by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Might I recommend using a spam filter? I only see one or two spam messages per month...

      And now you're back to something controlled in part by a fairly small number of companies that provide the blacklists.

      As for privacy, I have no clue what it is that you are referring to here -- are you concerned that other people are going to read your messages in a discussion system? That is like claiming that people are going to read the messages that you post in Facebook groups or other forums.

      My point was that Facebook allows you to limit messages to people that you trust, and allows you to send messages entirely in private as well, whereas USENET is a purely open discussion forum. This makes it significantly less useful than Facebook, email, IRC, or web-based message boards. It also makes no real guarantees of when a message will be delivered. A reply could reach the original poster the same day or a week later (though I suspect this problem is less prevalent now than it used to be). Thus, its distributed nature comes at a nonzero cost.

      It was an example of a system that is not controlled by any monopoly. Would you have preferred that I said XMPP?

      XMPP (a.k.a. Jabber) would probably be a better choice, though even then, most of the people you communicate with will be using a server provided by a near-monopoly (e.g. Facebook Chat). Still, it is at least a reasonable candidate, with the caveat that as soon as you depend on IP numbers or domain names, the service is controlled, at least in part, by a monopoly.

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    13. Re:Still holding out. by philip.paradis · · Score: 1

      RBL subscriptions are entirely optional. Nothing, aside from taking the time to set it up, is stopping you from setting up your own mail server with SpamAssassin and/or various other filtering options controlled exclusively by you. Like anything, it's not perfect, but in my ten years of using it, it's proven to be immensely effective. With freedom comes responsibility and work.

      I don't use Facebook at all, and I'm not about to start any time soon. Anything private gets sent via GPG/PGP encrypted mail. I've helped quite a few people configure their mail clients to support PKI, and all it cost me was a bit of time. Yes, that takes a little bit of effort, but with freedom comes responsibility and work.

      As for the XMPP points, as long as you're operating your own XMPP server (which is incredibly easy), you're not depending on a monopoly. While others may indeed be using mass market services that offer XMPP functionality, that's their choice, and if you feel like it you can teach family and friends how to operate their own servers as well. With freedom comes responsibility and work.

      Regarding IP numbers, go ahead and get your own allocation from ARIN (or whoever your RIR happens to be). It's not that difficult, and if you want to go ahead and get an IPv6 allocation, you're going to have more IPs right off the bat than you'll know what to do with. You can then either help others understand why IPv6 is awesome, or wait until adoption becomes more widespread, or use 6-to-4 gateways, or a combination thereof. Sure, IP space isn't free of charge, but it's a fixed cost, and there's no such thing as a free lunch. Freedom to do what you want does not necessarily imply freedom from monetary cost.

      For domain names, which of course aren't even strictly necessary for Internet communications, you have many options for registrars. Some are better than others. Some cost more, some cost less. Some are known for great service, and some are known for people like Bob Parsons, who I'd love to drag into a field and beat senseless. If you don't like the usual suspects for TLDs, you're free to choose a registrar in Whothefuckknowswhereitisistan if you like. With freedom comes responsibility and work.

      Now, after saying all this, you're also totally free to set up something completely different that you exclusively control and convince other people to use it. However, that will probably cost you a lot more than everything described here, and then you have a completely different problem. The single point of control will indeed be you, with all the issues that entails. With freedom comes responsibility and work.

      Human beings live in societies. To some extent, you will always be dependent on goods and services from someone else if you want to participate in society. You also have the option of living in a shack in the frozen north. You can probably guess what I'm going to say next.

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    14. Re:Still holding out. by philip.paradis · · Score: 1

      nobody uses IRC or Usenet anymore

      I have dozens of friends and associates that I communicate with nearly exclusively on IRC. By nearly exclusively, I mean I might call them once every month or two, but I speak with them in IRC on a nearly daily basis. OFTC operates a ton of servers, and other outfits like freenode. Modern IRC is pretty feature rich; encryption, bouncers/relays, web-based clients, very rich native clients, and ANSI terminal clients (I use Irssi) are all supported.

      Just using three degrees of separation from me, tens of thousands of people are using IRC at any given moment. Go further out in terms of separation and the number is much, much higher. Where did you get the idea that nobody uses IRC any more?

      Email is a different story -- you can try to host your own mail server but it's a huge PITA to set up SPF records and whatnot to keep your outgoing mail from getting bounced.

      How is one TXT or SPF record in DNS a huge PITA? It's incredibly simple. I host my own mail, along with mail for a bunch of other people and organizations. It's not that difficult, and my mail doesn't get bounced. My total involvement with my mail servers amounts to perhaps one hour per month, the total time taken to install security updates and make sure automated backups are running properly. If you don't want to invest this minimum of effort, that's fine, but please don't use the excuse that it's too difficult.

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    15. Re:Still holding out. by ironjaw33 · · Score: 1

      Just using three degrees of separation from me, tens of thousands of people are using IRC at any given moment. Go further out in terms of separation and the number is much, much higher. Where did you get the idea that nobody uses IRC any more?

      With some quick googling, IRC has reached a maximum of 500k simultaneous users, which is 0.5% of Facebook's 500 million. So, all else being equal, if I were looking to contact someone, the probability would be much, much higher that I find them on Facebook than IRC. In terms of population, we're talking about the difference between a medium sized city and something larger than both North America or Western Europe.

      Email is a different story -- you can try to host your own mail server but it's a huge PITA to set up SPF records and whatnot to keep your outgoing mail from getting bounced.

      How is one TXT or SPF record in DNS a huge PITA? It's incredibly simple. I host my own mail, along with mail for a bunch of other people and organizations. It's not that difficult, and my mail doesn't get bounced. My total involvement with my mail servers amounts to perhaps one hour per month, the total time taken to install security updates and make sure automated backups are running properly. If you don't want to invest this minimum of effort, that's fine, but please don't use the excuse that it's too difficult.

      One hour per month ignores the time and effort it took to learn enough to be able to set up a box as a mail server, whether that was spread out over your entire lifetime or crammed into a few weeks.

    16. Re:Still holding out. by philip.paradis · · Score: 1

      My point was that the statement "nobody uses IRC" is provably false, and if you're using IRC you can always invite others to do the same. It's not difficult, and the primary point here is that nobody is forced to use things like Facebook. Yes, things like Facebook are vastly more common, but they are by no means the only options available. Using something purely because "everybody else already does" and then claiming that as a strong supporting reason for using it, as opposed to just showing some folks other options and maybe letting them decide if they want to give it a shot, strikes me as disingenuous.

      Speaking of mail servers, of course there's a minimum time investment required to learn some basics first. The same applies to virtually anything we do in life, whether it's driving a car, learning to cook a steak, getting through high school, getting a college degree, tying your shoes, etc. With the amazing amount of step by step documentation available for virtually any kind of mail server config you want, that time investment is not substantial. To get a basic setup working does not require weeks worth of cramming. It requires maybe an evening or two of reading some docs and following simple instructions. If you don't want to do that, there are options like Zimbra that essentially boil down to "run this installer, log into the web interface, add whatever accounts you want, and you're done." Either way, it's pretty painless, thanks to the work of countless others who have taken the time to build nice things and write nice docs for them.

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    17. Re:Still holding out. by ironjaw33 · · Score: 1

      Using something purely because "everybody else already does" and then claiming that as a strong supporting reason for using it, as opposed to just showing some folks other options and maybe letting them decide if they want to give it a shot, strikes me as disingenuous.

      Isn't this the one of the key premises of online social networking? Why join a social networking site if nobody else is using it? It's great if something else works for you, but berating others who make a different choice isn't going to solve anything.

      Speaking of mail servers, of course there's a minimum time investment required to learn some basics first. The same applies to virtually anything we do in life, whether it's driving a car, learning to cook a steak, getting through high school, getting a college degree, tying your shoes, etc. With the amazing amount of step by step documentation available for virtually any kind of mail server config you want, that time investment is not substantial. To get a basic setup working does not require weeks worth of cramming. It requires maybe an evening or two of reading some docs and following simple instructions. If you don't want to do that, there are options like Zimbra that essentially boil down to "run this installer, log into the web interface, add whatever accounts you want, and you're done." Either way, it's pretty painless, thanks to the work of countless others who have taken the time to build nice things and write nice docs for them.

      I'm still going to argue that a layman will have extreme difficulty in setting up and maintaining a mail server, even if he/she had several free weeks to do nothing else but figure it out. More power to you for running your own mail server, but if you hadn't chosen a technical profession or hobby, I doubt you would even know where to start or that it was even possible. If you know what you're doing, it's always easy.

    18. Re:Still holding out. by philip.paradis · · Score: 1

      More power to you for running your own mail server, but if you hadn't chosen a technical profession or hobby, I doubt you would even know where to start or that it was even possible. If you know what you're doing, it's always easy.

      Sorry, that's just not true. I've seen several people who weren't IT professionals, had never seen a bash prompt before, and had nearly no starting knowledge get a VPS and get basic mail services up and running in less than a day. Guides like this help a lot with that sort of thing. Or you could just install Zimbra.

      My telling you it's possible fixes the "not knowing it's possible" part, and now you can tell other people it's possible.

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    19. Re:Still holding out. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Facebook is a technology now?

      Yeah, if a toaster is a technology, Facebook is a technology. If a toaster is just an assemblage of sheet metal, resistive heaters, and timer switches, then Facebook is just a database, a web app, and a bunch of HTML tied together with AJAX'y stuff.

      But most people like toasters and think of them as toasters - more than the sum of their parts.

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    20. Re:Still holding out. by hazah · · Score: 1

      He sounds like a real dipshit. If he's unhappy that he's opinions can be logically disputed than he's a child.

    21. Re:Still holding out. by hazah · · Score: 1

      Being my own grammar nazi: *his, *then

  3. Re:Really? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    ...

    Yes. OMG and WYSIWIG were unavailable for comment.

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  4. Nothing to see? Au contraire by retroworks · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's gotta be more. E.g., Do the women really have more trouble with privacy settings - or does Facebook assume so because women inquire about the settings, whereas men won't stop and ask for directions (also explaining why more men fail to change settings to private)?

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  5. Discretion!! by teknx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What ever happened to discretion? People are so quick to post every thought, feeling, and complaint for the world to see. But then also complain about privacy. No one is forcing you to post about what you ate for breakfast and take a picture of it. The trend seems to point to things only getting worse in the future as more companies focus on you being the product and selling your information and habits to 3rd parties. I remember hearing someone say that if the services are free, YOU are the product.

    1. Re:Discretion!! by icebraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I remember hearing someone say that if the services are free, YOU are the product.

      Yet, you're not paying for using Slashdot. What does that make you?

    2. Re:Discretion!! by teknx · · Score: 1

      A product of my environment?

    3. Re:Discretion!! by angiasaa · · Score: 1

      I remember hearing someone say that if the services are free, YOU are the product.

      Yet, you're not paying for using Slashdot. What does that make you?

      Free! :D

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    4. Re:Discretion!! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Yet, you're not paying for using Slashdot.

      Behold - the $5 asterisk (seriously, the best value on the web).

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  6. The flipside of that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Women are more likely to friend people they'll end up unfriending later.

    1. Re:The flipside of that... by tomhath · · Score: 1

      How many daughters have unfriended their own mother after an argument? I know a few.

  7. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Water is wet.

  8. I think it makes men more open and honest. by pecosdave · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you're going to say something say it without caring who hears it or don't say anything at all.

    The above described phenomenon is akin to how women and girls whisper in each others ears, filters are like whispering. The unfriending I see as akin to what I watched a group of girls do in high school. There was about a dozen of them but only 11 could be friends at a time, there was always one girl kicked out of the circle, when she came back they chose another one to be mad at and kicked her out of the circle.

    My guess is the regret men have is regret over how a woman reacted to the picture or other content.

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    1. Re:I think it makes men more open and honest. by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Isn't this pretty much the only reason why men regret anything they say or do?

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    2. Re:I think it makes men more open and honest. by Nursie · · Score: 1

      That or they managed to talk themselves out of being fed and/or given beer.

      We're simple creatures...

  9. Re:Really? by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 2

    ...and GTFO's response was unprintable.

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  10. Surprise, surprise... by Just+Brew+It! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...women are more selective than men regarding who to include in their social circle. I could've predicted this from real-world interactions. Women tend to form close-knit cliques. Men will hang with anyone who will get shitfaced drunk with them and commiserate about their problems with women, work, money, etc.

    1. Re:Surprise, surprise... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or women are less selective, and they add people without thinking about it, and then remove them later when it proves to be a bad idea. You can't tell which it is from the summary, anyway :p

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    2. Re:Surprise, surprise... by Just+Brew+It! · · Score: 1

      I think the threshold for achieving that level of trust is probably lower for men. ;-)

    3. Re:Surprise, surprise... by Macman408 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I was thinking it's a variant of this; perhaps women are less confrontational, and would prefer to accept you as a friend (because let's be honest, you know they're checking Facebook regularly), and then quietly delete you a month later, with the assumption that you likely won't notice, and almost certainly won't notice any time soon. At that point, you're more likely to chalk it up to a general culling of friends, which many people do periodically, rather than an "I don't like you".

  11. Social exclusion is a femal strategy by qualityassurancedept · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Female's all over the animal kingdom use social exclusion instead of violence in order to punish other females. Exclusion is the primary competitive strategy for all sorts of female animals. Look it up on Wikipedia. Or google it. Its a widely known fact among researchers in the social science. That's how teenage girls bully each other.

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    1. Re:Social exclusion is a femal strategy by jader3rd · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you're that mad about it, just punish him by unfriending him and excluding him from your social circle.

    2. Re:Social exclusion is a femal strategy by Just+Brew+It! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You didn't even notice that the subject line says "femal", huh?

      While I agree that proper grammar and spelling are something we should strive for, in a web discussion forum "it's the thought that counts". Isn't that the purpose of language -- to convey our thoughts?

      Dismissing someone who may have a worthwhile contribution to the discussion just because they misplaced an apostrophe (or misspelled a word) smacks of elitism. If we measure someone's value by the amount of useful information contributed to the discussion, you're more of a "fuckwit"... by at least an order of magnitude.

    3. Re:Social exclusion is a femal strategy by Just+Brew+It! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...and never assume malice where incompetence will suffice. You'll get through life with a lot less conflict that way.

    4. Re:Social exclusion is a femal strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "God damn I am sick of semiliterate idiots like YOU who don't ..."

      God damn. I am sick of semiliterate idiots like YOU, who don't
      understand the proper use of a period or comma.

      If you can't write correctly keep your fucking thoughts to yourself,
      fuckwit.

    5. Re:Social exclusion is a femal strategy by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

      Female's all over the animal kingdom use social exclusion instead of violence in order to punish other females

      Really?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budgerigar#Breeding_problems

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    6. Re:Social exclusion is a femal strategy by mattgoldey · · Score: 1

      I'm curious about your thought process while writing this. Why would you add an apostrophe in "female's" but in "animals" or "girls"? And not in the send usage of "females". If you're going to abuse apostrophes, why not go whole hog?

    7. Re:Social exclusion is a femal strategy by icebraining · · Score: 1

      True, but on the other hand, such errors can and do distract from the message, which is detrimental to both the reader and the writer (since, supposedly, the message was meant to be read).

    8. Re:Social exclusion is a femal strategy by BryanL · · Score: 1

      The GP sure needs something like a quality assurance dept to catch misspellings.

    9. Re:Social exclusion is a femal strategy by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Yes because others are responsible for your oversensitivity? get a fucking spine.. when someone calls you something, ignore it. it's a fallacy. these are kindergarten lessons, people.

    10. Re:Social exclusion is a femal strategy by Nimey · · Score: 2

      You have a point, but writing well is a courtesy to one's readers. If a poster writes poorly enough I'll skip over the remainder of his post to save myself pain, and usually I don't miss much anyway.

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      E pluribus sanguinem
    11. Re:Social exclusion is a femal strategy by solferino · · Score: 1

      Social exclusion is usually used to describe social disadvantage and is a broad term.

      The better term to use if you're interested in researching this is Relational aggression

    12. Re:Social exclusion is a femal strategy by kyrio · · Score: 1

      No. Continuing to write improperly (disgusting spelling and no knowledge of grammar), and making excuses of "it's only online" or "it's only texting" or "it's the thought that counts", only perverts the language further.

  12. Re:Nothing to see? Au contraire by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

    The second sentence is not regarding to women but the whole group. Perhaps I excerpted badly.

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  13. Re:Nothing to see? Au contraire by gmack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Judging from the differences of what gets posted on my wall, I find that men put up random cool things, pics from something they did with their friends etc while most of the really personal stuff I read such as struggles with life, relationships etc tend to be put up by women. I suspect the gender gap on the privacy settings are simply because woman care more about who reads what they put up.

  14. Re:Hah by zblack_eagle · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    A guy can ejaculate a lot more frequently than a woman can get pregnant and give birth. While people may not think about it consciously, it's the relative scarcity (or abundance) of the genetic material produced by either gender at play.

  15. Who didn't know this by Murdoch5 · · Score: 3

    Women will unfriend someone for wearing the wrong shoes with a skirt, I think men have known this for years.

    1. Re:Who didn't know this by Skapare · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thanks. Glad to know this. I've always wondered why so few men wear skirts. Now I know.

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      now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
    2. Re:Who didn't know this by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

      Ya exactly there you go, It's my pearl of wisdom for the day.

  16. How about divorce? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    What about divorce?
    Sources say that women are initiating divorce in 66% of cases.

    1. Re:How about divorce? by roman_mir · · Score: 2

      Oh, and by the way, my conclusion out of all of this is similar to the age old belief, that women come into relationships hoping to change the partner more often (and I believe men come into relationship hoping that the women don't change over time), and both get screwed.

  17. Laugh by koan · · Score: 1

    Through out the ages "Women more likely to with hold sex" another duh moment in science.

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    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
    1. Re:Laugh by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      We haven't evolved that far beyond our cousins. Primate behavior has plenty of insight into humans. People just don't like to hear that they are not thinking and act thoughtlessly as much as they do; after all, they've spent a lifetime rationalizing thoughtless irrational behaviors. It comes as no surprise to me that religious types have a harder time dealing with this whole area (from evolution to the nature of irrational behavior, it all involves a similar fiction writing process for explaining reality as religion does.)

    2. Re:Laugh by koan · · Score: 1

      I agree I argue this point constantly, people in marketing get it why don't everyday people grasp it?

      Rare is the human the rises above his/her animals drives.

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      "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
  18. Contradictory observations by Deep+Esophagus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My own experience with Facebook friends isn't nearly so clear-cut. My friends fall into one of four categories: People I know from childhood (school), people I know from work, people I know from church (conservative, evangelical) and people I know from a dialup BBS network in the 80s. Of those four groups, only the BBS nerds are an even mix of men and women; in the other three groups women dominate (heh) by a vast majority.

    And unlike the survey results mentioned in TFS, my female friends tend to be the ones to chatter about personal issues -- daily photos of children and grandchildren doing cute things, updates about their mood or health, etc. The men write about political issues, cars and other "guy toys", restaurants they like, hunting... and some of them only visit Facebook once a month or less.

    So the real news here is... your mileage may vary?

  19. Drama queens by PPH · · Score: 2

    You know the old joke about the definition of a bachelor: A insensitive clod who has deprived some poor woman of a divorce.

    Its actually not that funny. There are some women* (and not a small minority) who seek drama and conflict. Why do you think the plots of daytime soap operas are so bizarre? Well adjusted people stay the hell away from such emotional wreckage. Particularly on a regular basis (something you can experience with the occasional movie but not an ongoing story line). And they tend to seek out the companionship of others suffering from similar woes, rather than attempting to readjust their outlook by associating with undamaged people.

    *OK, some guys too. But if I say 'drama' and 'male', what stereotype comes to mind?

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    Have gnu, will travel.
    1. Re:Drama queens by icebraining · · Score: 1

      *OK, some guys too. But if I say 'drama' and 'male', what stereotype comes to mind?

      Well, 'drama' has a strong connotation, but if you replace it with 'conflict', I think of drunken assholes beating up their wifes (and sometimes kids). Where I live, a couple dozen women are killed every year due to domestic violence.

      Compared to that, "emotional wreckage" seems somewhat less important.

    2. Re:Drama queens by PPH · · Score: 1

      Completely different. Drama queens seem to like being victims. Its possible that such women might seek out the drunken asshole (consciously or otherwise) for a boyfriend or husband.

      The male stereotype drama queen I was referring to has nothing to do with women .... if you know what I mean. ;-)

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      Have gnu, will travel.
    3. Re:Drama queens by kyrio · · Score: 1

      I do believe you are talking about TranCHAN.

  20. a few comments by roc97007 · · Score: 2

    > When it comes to privacy, 58 percent of social network users set their profile to private so that only friends can see it.

    This should be 100%. I suspect the other 42% don't know how or don't understand the ramifications. (Mild hyperbole, but you know what I mean.)

    I understand there's problems with Facebook privacy but if you're going to play at all, you have a responsibility to protect yourself. Just my opinion.

    It's also important not to poke "accept" for every friend request you get, without first doing due diligence. If you have one friend in common, that may only mean that your friend may have been stupid enough to click "accept" to a potential social engineer without checking.

    I photograph events and travel, and those albums are open. The rest is closed off. Not because I'm "hiding anything", (this is *facebook*) but because there are things I'd tell my friends that I wouldn't tell the general public. I review my privacy settings periodically. I don't do optional Facebook applications, ever. I don't do Facebook games, ever. I don't repost Facebook "forwards", and I will block someone if that's all they're doing. I have lively discussions (in our own words, not cutting and pasting someone else's) with a circle of friends, we share ideas and have some heated arguments, and that's a good thing -- in my opinion, it's the "social" in social networking. The rest is the electronic equivalent of stuffing an envelope with magazine clippings.

    I believe that women are more likely to unfriend, but I wonder what the statistic is for blocking. I have less than 200 friends, small by Facebook standards, although I've met most of them and about 25% of them would help me move (and 2 or 3 would help me move a body -- although they'd want to know who's first) and of those I've never unfriended someone no matter how obnoxious. I *have* blocked them from my news stream because they're irritating, natter on too much about nothing (a characteristic of Facebook it seems) or repeatedly try to bait the community out of some desire for attention. These "junk" postings get in the way of the people on my friends list whom I *want* to read.

    It doesn't seem right to unfriend. It seems snarky -- a personal insult. Blocking them from my news stream is more like, I haven't taken you out of my address book, but I probably won't be calling you. It would have been interesting to find out if this is a male vs female characteristic. Something like: Given it's time to end the relationship with another person, women are more likely to break up publicly, whereas men are more likely to simply ignore.

    I've noticed repeatedly that a personal friend or acquaintance will jump on, friend everyone in sight, load up a bunch of applications, play a bunch of games, and then suddenly disappear. I've asked some of them later about that, and some have said it takes too much time (I can see that) and others have said they lost interest (reasonable also) but many have said that they became alarmed at the lack of privacy. It's almost like there was an event that shook them up and they dropped out. Social networks are hot right now -- generally accepted -- but I wonder what people's perceptions will be in ten years time.

    Social networks are like any tool -- you can use it to get work done, or you can use it to poke your eye out. If you're not willing to learn the tool, you shouldn't be surprised at the consequences. There is no "walled garden" social network as far as I know. It's like the rest of the internet -- raw, fertile, potentially dangerous. The knife is sharp; it's important to point it in the right direction. But sometimes a spork just won't do.

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    1. Re:a few comments by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Um, what the hell are you talking about?

      I mean "social engineer" as in the technique of "social engineering" to steal someone's stuff. Like researching your victim ahead of time so you can pose as a friend or relative and make it sound legitimate. What did you mean?

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      Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
    2. Re:a few comments by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      This should be 100%. I suspect the other 42% don't know how or don't understand the ramifications. (Mild hyperbole, but you know what I mean.)

      I couldn't disagree more. It should be closer to 0%, because otherwise you're working under the assumptions that 1) Facebook will always correctly honor its permissions and 2) you have them configured correctly. My Facebook data is world-readable and that's a reminder to never post anything that I wouldn't want my mom, boss, or loan officer to see.

      Suppose Facebook has yet another bug where other users can work around your privacy settings. Hey, there's roc97007 making a bong out of a potato in his friend-only photo album! Suppose you later decide to loosen your restrictions a little. Oops! Forgot about that joke picture with the transvestite, huh? No thanks. The only safe approach is to act as though anything you post will be world-readable and act accordingly.

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      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    3. Re:a few comments by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      I think you're saying that one strategy for social networks is to always assume that everything you ever say or do or upload online will be accessible by the press, law enforcement, your boss, worst enemies, friends, and loved ones. It's arguably a good strategy if a little confining.

      I would like to say that even though I keep things locked down (except for stuff like photo albums that I deliberately choose to share with the world), I certainly don't depend on Facebook security to hide illegal or unsavory practices. (For reasonable values of "unsavory".) I mean, my mother, my daughter's former day care provider, and a former boss are in my friends list. Posting photos of me using a bong would not be in my best interest even with security turned on.

      What I was referring to, and something that apparently didn't come through (based on the other response) is that your personal information, not the stuff that would embarrass most people but just your basic life history, can be used against you in several ways, not the least of which, in social engineering where someone poses as a friend or family member with enough background information to make them believable.

      Moreover, there may be legal ramifications that are non-obvious. IANAL, but it seems to me that if push came to shove, the fact that you put security measures in place and at least had an expectation of privacy which the other party had to actively circumvent, might put you in a better legal position.

      And finally, there's the social aspect. Sometimes we need to discuss things that might be damaging or at least inconvenient to others, and I think we have an obligation to at least make the information difficult to capture.

      Parenthetically, my daughter (17) was a very early adopter of Facebook, but she depends on me as her sysadmin and has no problems with me accessing her account. In return, I trust her and don't feel the need to dig into her stuff.

      Except once when a friend was taken in by an older man posing as a teenage girl, and as a precautionary measure I went through all of daughter's contacts whom I did not know personally, looking for clues that they might not be what they seem. I didn't find anything suspicious in that respect, but what I did find makes me not ever want to do that again. Hormonal teenage girls posting information and photos that were *way, way WAY* too personal to all and sundry, many of them with no security measures in place whatsoever. It was like Gaaaaa no no no dismiss dismiss delete browser cache.

      Along those lines, I am surprised that people aren't more concerned about Facebook as a rich hunting ground for sexual predators. And again, it seems to me that the fact they had to break into someone's account to scoop their stuff would put the prosecution on better footing.

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      Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
    4. Re:a few comments by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      OK, those are good points that I can agree with. I guess I was reacting to the position I've heard all too often (which you admittedly weren't advancing) that the privacy controls are the start and end of protecting your information. That always horrifies me.

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      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    5. Re:a few comments by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

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      Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
  21. Re:How long..... by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    .....will society require to learn that everything on the web effectively lives forever?

    Maybe, but by deleting something from Facebook I can control its ubiquitousness by quite a bit.

  22. Groucho by Wildplasser · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't want to be friends with people who have people like me as friends.

  23. That's because women are more emotionally hostile by EmagGeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Look at any social group of young teenage girls today. They're the most vile, wretched, undisciplined, emotionally hostile human beings that walk the face of the Earth today. They think nothing of torturing their peers emotionally to the point of suicide.

    Women want their enemies to suffer socially and emotionally.

  24. Re:That's because women are more emotionally hosti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... teenage girls ...

    and the entirety of western civilisation is at their behest and control. Everything we do is to placate and please them. They have ultimate power but no clue what to do with it.

    This is why eastern cultures find western ones so abhorrent. We are without control, worshiping the teenage female form and sacrificing everything in our future for it. I'll have no part of it. It is too late though, we are past the point of no return, this has already effectively destroyed western civilisation. The question is: will any westerners learn from it? I suspect not.

    Environmental contaminants and xenoestrogenics responsible for the recent increases in feminisation of boys? Not so much - while probably part of it - it is clear to me that when faced with such a powerful, hostile and cruel selection of young women to pick from that the solution is obvious.

  25. Re:That's because women are more emotionally hosti by Nimey · · Score: 1

    Never fear, there'll be another GOP presidential debate soon.

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    E pluribus sanguinem
  26. Thank you. by Nux'd · · Score: 1

    Thank you, Slashdot, for giving me one more way in which I'm more like a woman than I am like a man. :(

  27. Who's most likely to close all their SN accounts ? by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

    Once they figure out what a huge information suck, privacy and security breach, and vector for being a tool for undeserving corporations to use and exploit ?