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Linode Exploit Caused Theft of Thousands of Bitcoins

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the say-goodbye dept.

Sabbetus writes "Popular web hosting service Linode had a serious exploit earlier today. Apparently the super admin password for their server management panel was leaked and allowed a malicious attacker to target multiple Bitcoin-related servers. The biggest loss happened to a major Bitcoin mining pool that lost over 3000 BTC, which is currently worth almost 15 000 USD. Now the question is, will Linode compensate for lost bitcoins?" Update: The 3000 BTC theft was not even close to being the biggest, Bitcoin trading site Bitcoinica lost over 40,000 BTC.

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  1. oops by buzzsawddog · · Score: 5, Funny

    oops...

    1. Re:oops by sg_oneill · · Score: 5, Funny

      It has been said that on the internet, comedy is tragedy that ends in the words "And then I lost my bitcoins".

      Thankyou randoids, thank you once again for proving that in the world there are people more comically thoughtless than I.

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    2. Re:oops by subreality · · Score: 4, Funny

      You accidentally all your bitcoins? :)

  2. Newsflash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Imaginary currency is not safe.

    1. Re:Newsflash by Kenja · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That would be an interesting claim to file. "They stole my bits! I demand that you replace them."

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      "Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
    2. Re:Newsflash by mrmeval · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Isn't that the point of bitcoin? To make the intangible tangible? If those bits can be stolen they're about as tangible as it gets. ;) So there is a loss. I'm sure Lloyds of London could write that policy but I don't see them doing it for a price that was affordable.

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      I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
    3. Re:Newsflash by BenJCarter · · Score: 4, Funny

      Perhaps if they paid for the policy in Bitcoins?

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      For in politics, as in religion, it is equally absurd to aim at making proselytes by fire and sword. - Publius
    4. Re:Newsflash by dlgeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How would insurance of bitcoins even work? It seems particularly challenging for many reasons.

      Generally, insurance policies are written for things with a strongly-known approximate value. Jewlery, physical property, buildings, a fixed amount of cash in a safe.... You can't generally get insurance on things with fluctuating value like real estate (you can insure the building on top of it, but you can't insure the lot against loss of value), various financial instruments, commodities futures, etc. Bit coins are highly variable - if I take out a policy against 10,000 bit coins, and they're lost, what value would the policy pay out based on? The value at the time I got my policy? The value at the time they were stolen? The value at the time the claim is settled? Does this take into account that if someone steals a large number of bitcoins, they're probably going to liquidate them quickly, which would depress the market? If the policy is based on the value at the time it's issued, the insured party has a motivation to purposefully lose or destroy the coins if the market dramatically drops - the insured value is higher than the market value. On the other hand, if the policy is based on the market value at the time of the incident, the insurance company's costs can skyrocket and no sane underwriter would write such a policy.

      Speaking of the insurred's motivation to defraud based on fluctuating value, the risk of fraud here is sky-high. A cryptographically-secure, untraceable currency where mere knowledge of a few numbers is enough to steal the entire value without leaving any evidence behind? It'd be trivial for the owner to purposefully leave a backdoor, then anonymously exploit it, especially given the nasscent state of computer security in the legal system. It wouldn't even have to be that subtle a hole, either. As far as I know, there isn't any precedent to establish what liability companies have with regard to negligence in the field, with the notable exception of PCI:DSS for the credit card industry. (For example, all the cases against Sony were dismissed as far as I'm aware.) In our current environment, the insurance company would have a hard time proving neglicence to dispute the claim. With that kind of risk, there's no way any insurer would issue that kind of policy. I just don't see any reasonable way that an insurance company would write a policy like this, at any price. Moreover, many of these issues reach past the bitcoin realm and apply to all sorts of online providers. As more and more of companies move data to "the cloud" - what kind of recourse do they have when security and availibility events happen. Can I get an insurance policy to protect me if my cloud email provider exposes confidential business informaton to the world which significantly impacts my revenue stream? It's a very thorny landscape...

    5. Re:Newsflash by plover · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It may appear thorny, but insurance is simply legitimized gambling, which ultimately is dirt simple. The company will lay odds against your losses. Now, they're going to study what's happening, and they're going to change the premiums on a scheduled basis, and they're going to present a quote that represents their estimate of your chances of loss, and they're going to have a lawyer write as many weaselly exclusions in the policy that they think they can get away with. If you ask them to insure $10,000 worth of bitcoins against loss, and they're only 50% confident in your security, they may take those odds and set your premium at $6,000.

      That's the other thing about insurance companies. They're exactly the same as the casino owner: the house always gets its cut.

      --
      John
    6. Re:Newsflash by nedlohs · · Score: 5, Funny

      How does one destroy a bitcoin?

      Storing it at linode seems a good start.

    7. Re:Newsflash by ComaVN · · Score: 3, Funny

      They're exactly the same as the casino owner: the house always gets its cut.

      Not quite. The casino sets the rules of the game, making sure they know EXACTLY what the odds are, thereby turning long-term profit into a statistical certainty. The insurer has to guess the odds, and can actually guess wrong, so there's a lot less certainty. That's why there are reinsurers, who insure the insurers against unexpectedly large payouts.

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      Be wary of any facts that confirm your opinion.
    8. Re:Newsflash by __aajfby9338 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How does one destroy a bitcoin?

      Send it to a nonexistent address, or lose the private key that is needed to send the bitcoin to somebody else. Either case results in a bitcoin that cannot be spent, so it is effectively destroyed. So, if you lose your bitcoin wallet and all backups of it, the associated bitcoins are gone for good.

      Both situations have happened, and bitcoins have been lost forever as a result. Well, if and when it becomes practical to break the encryption that bitcoin is based on, then it should be possible to recover those lost private keys. I think that is a moot point though, because that would also render the current implementation worthless, and cause it to be replaced with something else (optimistically assuming that anybody still cares about bitcoin once computing power renders the crypto trivially breakable).

    9. Re:Newsflash by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually more of them do than you think! I used to work for a bank, and we would NEVER publicize robberies. First, because of the fear of creating a wave of copycat crimes. Second, to not undermine the bank's secure image. There are 2-5 bank robberies a MONTH in the Chicagoland area, but none of them ever hits the news. Only when there's external involvement, like a shootout or a hostage situation does it ever make the evening news. I found this quite surprising how much the general public is kept in the dark about this sort of thing.

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    10. Re:Newsflash by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, we can replace the 1's with no problem, but we can't give you anything for the 0's...
      Where would you like those emailed?

      --
      You have the right to remain sentient. If you give up the right to remain sentient, you will be elected to public office
    11. Re:Newsflash by sixtyeight · · Score: 5, Funny

      That would be an interesting claim to file. "They stole my bits! I demand that you replace them."

      The RIAA, MPAA and Microsoft have been doing it for years now.

      --
      The Wolfpack Project: BitCoin + Crowdfunding = Political Accountability
    12. Re:Newsflash by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What I find curious about these bit coin thefts is that they have no way to trace the coins once they have left - they see the account it goes to, but have no higher authority to dispute the transfer with, no way to find out who that is or where they are. It truly is virtual cash, but without the audit-trail which real banks have instituted for very good reasons for the cash in our bank accounts. So it seems once someone steals your digital wallet, it is truly gone, with no way to track who stole it, no compensation, no insurance (what insurance company would insure such risk?), and no way to call in the authorities. No wonder there have been a string of thefts, as this currency seems designed to avoid leaving an audit trail.

      I can't see why someone would want to keep their wealth in something like bitcoin for this reason alone, quite apart from the volatility and potential for the entire currency to collapse at some point.

    13. Re:Newsflash by ultranova · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Imaginary currency is not safe.

      All currency is imaginary. It's an abstract representation of wealth, which in turn is an abstract representation of resources and services owed to you. And of course the entire concept of owing - debt - is a purely social construct, and thus imaginary.

      But yeah, wealth is not safe.

      --

      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

  3. The greatest value of bitcoin by cold+fjord · · Score: 5, Funny

    The greatest value of bitcoin seems to be in generating headlines.

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    much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
  4. Linode Terms of Service by Laebshade · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.linode.com/tos.cfm

    Section 9, paragraph 1:

    Subscriber acknowledges that the service provided is of such a nature that service can be interrupted for many reasons other than the negligence of Linode.com and that damages resulting from any interruption of service are difficult to ascertain. Therefore, subscriber agrees that Linode.com shall not be liable for any damages arising from such causes beyond the direct and exclusive control of Linode.com. Subscriber further acknowledges that Linode.com's liability for its own negligence may not in any event exceed an amount equivalent to charges payable by subscriber for services during the period damages occurred. In no event shall Linode.com be liable for any special or consequential damages, loss or injury. Linode.com is not responsible for any damages your business may suffer. Linode.com does not make implied or written warranties for any of our services. Linode.com denies any warranty or merchantability for a specific purpose. This includes loss of data resulting from delays, non-deliveries, wrong delivery, and any and all service interruptions caused by Linode.com.

    1. Re:Linode Terms of Service by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Those people had no business storing $15,000 worth of irreplaceable data, electronic currency or not, on a service with these kinds of terms. Instead of spending an appropriate amount of money for the proper security they gambled with a service not designed to insure against that kind of liability and lost.

    2. Re:Linode Terms of Service by v1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Subscriber further acknowledges that Linode.com's liability for its own negligence may not in any event exceed an amount equivalent to charges payable by subscriber for services during the period damages occurred.

      So if this is binding and enforceable, (which should always be questioned, you can put just about anything in your TOS) that means if they are incompetent retards and let your hosted server get hacked through their back door to your hosted machine they won't be liable for anything beyond the monthly fees you paid them while being hacked?

      That's very likely to go to court. They may win or they may lose, but that fails the "common sense" assumption that part of what you are paying for is at least reasonable security for your IP at the facility you are leasing time on. And losing control of your hypervisor-ish password should be easy to prove to be negligent.

      I think if they came right out and had to decode that and say "we reserve the right to let random vandals come in and snoop all your data and you won't have any legal recourse" they'd lose a lot of customers. But that's basically what this is going to tell all their customers now. They'd have been a lot smarter to just have quietly reimbursed them. It'll cost them more due to bad publicity.

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      I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
    3. Re:Linode Terms of Service by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's irreplaceable in the sense that Bitcoin transactions can not be reversed.

      That would be 'irreversible', not irreplaceable. Obviously the stolen bitcoins can be replaced by transferring an equivalent number of bitcoins to victims' accounts.

      It's not as if a particular BitCoin ID string is of great sentimental value to anyone here; it's the value of the stolen coins that is the issue. Bitcoins are fungible.

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      I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
  5. ToS by Rinisari · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I saw an analysis of their Terms of Service somewhere, indicating that they will only compensate up to the value of the service paid. So, if your service was $100/mo, they'd only compensate you for the downtime you experienced, or up to that month's service charge of $100.

    If Linode cares about Bitcoin, it will find a way to compensate its users. Otherwise, if the users who lost money are up to it, I'm sure there is at least one lawyer out there willing to be counsel on the first case involving theft of a digital currency, testing whether or not the data/rights to data stolen are legitimate property of legal value. We supporters of Bitcoin say, "Of course!" but it's not until there's a legal precedent that we really can say that.

    Or, Linode can sit behind its ToS and test contract law.

    Or, the users can vote with their money and leave Linode and tell others why they're leaving.

    At least in my eyes, that I would ever consider Linode in the future is hanging in the balance, and they've previously always had a good reputation in my mind. I would venture that there are plenty of other like-minded geeks out there. Given that Linode's market is primarily we geeks, I believe it behooves them to do the right thing and compensate for the losses.

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    Colin Dean Go a year without DRM
  6. Re:Don't you just LOVE an unregulated service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Really? Isn't the dream of librarians of that top button finally being released to expose the...

    Oh wait, that's my dream of librarians.

  7. No correlation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Meh. No correlation. Linode has nothing to do with Bitcoins. You could store magic unicorns on their servers, want compensation if they get stolen? In the end _you_ are responsible for your data, not the host. So sorry if Bitcoin is flawed to the point where it can be so easily stolen by little old root. If you purchase service with a back up plan and the servers get hacked and your content is deleted, then you would legally/reasonably expect a restore but sorry fake money that gets "stolen" doesn't count.

  8. if you pay $10/mo, you can't really expect damages by Chalex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back when I worked for a web host company, we occasionally (rarely) had some issues where customers got screwed. In the worst case, your VPS is on a box where multiple disks die in a RAID array, and you don't have backups, and that's that.

    We were customer-friendly, so we would refund the customer's hosting charges if something went terribly wrong. But if you're paying $19/month, you can't really expect us to refund you more than $19/mo when something goes wrong.

    There's a rule of thumb in physical security; you should spend ~5% of the value of the thing to secure the thing. E.g. ~$1000 bicycle means ~$50 bicycle lock. If you're using a $19/mo service to hold $10k worth of value, you better be taking some other precautions. These guys were doing the equivalent of keeping $10k in cash in a $20 lockbox in a public place.

  9. overblown news story, here's the real truth by slashmydots · · Score: 5, Informative

    Oh the drama. As an actual bitcoin miner, let me fill you in on the real story instead of that media fluff that's purposely inflated to overdramatic proportions. Almost all bitcoin mining pool websites are configured to pay people every time 1 BTC is reached. That's around $5 US and takes a mediocre mining rig approximately 2 days to generate. So the most that the average person probably lost is $0.01 - $5.00. NOBODY keeps massive piles of BTC sitting around at the pool itself. The exchanges, yeah, but not the pools. They're known for lax security too. At the #1 biggest mining pool, your miners' login passwords are listed as plaintext on the page because what are people going to do, mine for you? And none of your money stay there for long so nobody really cares.
    What really doesn't add up is the 3000 BTC estimate. Even Deepbit, the largest pool, doesn't have 6000 members, which would be the number required to, at any given point in time, have an average of 3000 BTC on-hand. So it likely was the site owner's profit pool that got robbed the most heavily.

    1. Re:overblown news story, here's the real truth by godofpumpkins · · Score: 5, Informative

      What about the 43,000 coins bitcoinica reported stolen in the same breach? Still overblown? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66979.0

  10. Bitcoins and US Customs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A question I consider sometimes is the relationship between Bitcoins and the US Customs (or any other border agency.)

    When we cross the border there are obvious signs making it clear that if you carry more than $10,000 across the border (Canadian or American in my case) in either direction you must declare the transaction. Suppose one's bitcoin wallet is on their cellphone and they are carrying more than $10,000 worth of bitcoins on their cellphone. Would these need to be declared?

    I guess it would be similar to carrying bearer bonds across the border but I'm not certain what the conditions are for those, either.

    The concern would be whether two people with cellphone bitcoin wallets could meet and move bitcoins from one cellphone wallet to the other without another server or service being involved in the transaction. If so then I can certainly see how this process could be used to facilitate illegal transactions with less obvious traces than carrying large volumes of actual cash.

  11. linode corporate post on incident by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If anyone (like me) was wondering if there was any confirmation that linode accepted blame other than from the person who was robbed, there is.

    http://status.linode.com/2012/03/manager-security-incident.html

    Linode is actually rather lucky this person who did this only went for 8 machines. They could have been in a whole lot more trouble when someone got access like this.

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  12. tip of the ice berg - not even the real story! by slashmydots · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Boy did they bury the lead. Here's the entire story. Allegedly someone broke into the Linode web hosting company, hacked specifically just 8 sites involved in bitcoins and THAT'S IT, no other sites, and stole a hell of a lot more than 3000 BTC. 3000BTC isn't significant but 43,554 BTC were stolen from another major exchange, Bitcoinica. That company is claiming they have the money to cover it and will reimburse everyone. That's almost a quarter of a million US dollars by the way.

    Apparently the word on the street is this was targeted and definitely an inside job from an employee or multiple employees at Linode. The easiest way a simultaneous 8-site web control panel hack would be to simply log in with a secret back-door master password that basically all web hosts have. Either someone hacked Linode and found out that master password or it was an employee, the latter of which is obviously a lot simpler and more believable.

    1. Re:tip of the ice berg - not even the real story! by Larryish · · Score: 5, Funny

      secret back-door master password

      Was the HACKER in question getting a BLOWJOB at the time while having a GUN pointed at his head?

  13. Re:$15000 USD???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes, you can do all of that with bitcoins. Just follow these steps:

    1) you need to already have bitcoins. If you don't have any bitcoins, you can go to one of the sites that will convert dollars into bitcoins.
    2) When you want to buy lunch/gas/videogame/whatever, go to one of the sites that will convert bitcoins into dollars, and convert your bitcoins to dollars.

  14. Re:Free Insurance by bmo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh, look, it's reductio ad absurdum *and* a strawman *and* a false dichotomy all in one neat little package!

    Always the libertarian argument: Less regulation is ALWAYS good, and ANY regulation means TOTAL FASCISM and NO MIDDLE GROUND AT ALL.

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    BMO

  15. How to covert bitcoins to hard currency by yukk · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Generate bitcoins.
    2. Hack in and steal bitcoins.
    3. Sue for real money.
    4. Profit!

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    The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat." Lily Tomlin
  16. Claim settlement difficulties by tlambert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Might be a bit difficult to find someone who even would insure their bitcoin balance, not to mention the difficulties that would probably arise if a claim was filed. Fortunately, in this case the operators of the services are absorbing the lose and their customers/clients are not directly affected.

    It should be easily settled by converting real dollars into BTC.

    I head about 3000 BTC has coincidentally just become available on the market, which if they put up the US$15,000 to buy them, should cover the "stolen" BTC.

    1. Mine a bunch of BTC
    2. Fake an online break-in and theft
    3. Sell the not really stolen property to the entity who has to replace it, using an untraceable currency
    4. Profit!

    PS: There is no ???? step when it comes to insurance fraud, it's a rather well researched field.

    -- Terry

  17. Re:$15000 USD???? by shaitand · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can, there is a little cafe down the street that takes Bitcoin. In our office Bitcoin is also the typical method of settling a shared check for lunches. You can also conduct all manner of black market trade with Bitcoin. Drugs, guns, prostitutes, all on the table. Or you can just turn it into your local currency to conduct business.

    Bitcoin has plenty of uses. It doesn't have to be used as a drop in replacement for us dollars.

  18. Re:$15000 USD???? by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So basically they are NOT a currency at all.

    They are about as much "currency" (defined as "a widely accepted medium of exchange") as cancelled postage stamps or baseball cards.

  19. Re:FTFY by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've just met a bunch of people who proclaim their utopian ideas of the world being better who would screw you and your aged grandmother in a heartbeat.

    You missed the fine print: they think their ideas would make the world better for them.

    (Though I've never met one who wasn't delusional, thinking he - always a he - has enough money or influence to come out ahead in a free-for-all society.)

    --
    Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  20. Re:$15000 USD???? by vipvop · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear god your office sounds horrible, and you must live in an insufferable city. If my coworkers wanted to settle a check with bitcoins, I'd lobby to get them fired. Do they all like Ron Paul too?

  21. Re:$15000 USD???? by repapetilto · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here is a place that accepts bitcoins for videogames:
    http://gamerkeys.net/

    Here is an ebay-like auction site:
    http://bitmit.net/en/shop/c/13-pc-and-video-games/2-pc-games

    There are no chargebacks with bitcoins, so you need to do research on the rep of various sellers and merchants. You save money on fees you would otherwise pay to cover chargebacks, etc.

  22. Re:$15000 USD???? by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yep, gold is not a currency either. Hasn't been in a while. Now it's mostly a commodity traded on the market like other commodities. I think I'd prefer to trade in gold than freaking bitcoins, though.

  23. Re:$15000 USD???? by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 4, Funny

    You can also conduct all manner of black market trade with Bitcoin. Drugs, guns, prostitutes, all on the table.

    I would really like to see the prostitute who takes bitcoins.

    No, on second thought, I would really not like to see the prostitute who takes bitcoins.

  24. Re:Free Insurance by bmo · · Score: 4, Informative

    > let's make ISP's fully responsible for all incidental and consquential damages.

    Strawman: Hi, you didn't say this, but I'm going to say that you want to have ISPs responsible for content and then I'm going to attack it.

    False dichotomy: "obviously" some regulation leads to regulation of everything down to the most minor minutia, implying that you can either have no regulation at all or intrusive regulation, excluding the middle.

    Reductio ad absurdum: "I'm going to take what you said and invent a mythical case (ISPs responsible for content) that would never exist in reality and somehow this is proof of something"

    All three of these are related. Can you guess how?

    In case you can't, I'll put it in simple terms: You are putting words in the parent's mouth that were never said. In even simpler terms, it's a lie.

    >Calling you out on bullshit isn't allowed

    Oh yes it is.

    Good Day.

    --
    BMO

  25. Section 9: Limitation of Liability by coldsalmon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Like any vendor, Linode has included language in their contract which limits their liability. This is standard language, and it operates according to the following principal, which originated in landlord/tenant law: Linode has no control over the value or sensitivity of the property that you store on its site, so you must get insurance against the loss of this property yourself. No landlord/host wants to act as an insurance company, and they are in no position to do so. I can put anything I want in a rented space; it could be a $5,000,000.00 supercomputer, or a $30,000,000.00 Van Gogh. If there is a leak in my landlord's roof and a drop of water destroys the supercomputer, I must look to my own insurance policy, because I am the one why owns this property. If I want to store $15,000 in cash, I am not going to rent a storage unit and leave it lying all over the floor (the equivalent of what these Linode users did). I am going to put it in a BANK, which is a business specifically designed to store one type of thing, and which provides insurance against its loss.

    Here's a link to the TOS: http://www.linode.com/tos.cfm

    THIS POST DOES NOT CONSTITUTE LEGAL ADVICE OR CREATE AN ATTORNEY-CLIENT RELATIONSHIP. ANY LEGAL ADVICE MUST BE TAILORED TO YOUR INDIVIDUAL NEEDS BY AN ATTORNEY LICENSED IN YOUR JURISDICTION.