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Chevy Volt Meets High Resistance, GM Suspends Sales

Hugh Pickens writes "The Hill reports that GM has announced to employees at one of its facilities that it is suspending production of the Chevy Volt for five weeks and temporarily laying off 1,300 employees. Back when GM launched the beleaguered electric car, it boldly targeted sales of 10,000 in 2011 and 60,000 in 2012 but GM only sold 7,671 Volts in 2011 and just 1,626 so far this year. 'We needed to maintain proper inventory and make sure that we continued to meet market demand,' says GM spokesman Chris Lee. 'We see positive trends, but we needed to make this market adjustment.' Although President Obama promised he would buy a Volt 'five years from now, when I'm not president anymore,' the Volt has come under criticism from Republicans in Congress because of reports of its batteries catching on fire during testing. Ironically, the shutdown comes as gas prices are soaring, exactly the time when an electric car should be an easy sell." If it's still true that GM was taking a loss on every Volt sold, perhaps this is a blessing in disguise.

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  1. Slashdot Suspending Editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Suspending production != Suspending sales. The two mean quite different things.

    1. Re:Slashdot Suspending Editing by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Suspending production != Suspending sales. The two mean quite different things.

      Very true. The sales number are low, and that's possible related to the cost of a Chevy Volt. I just did a quick search in my area and they're about $40,000. I'm never going to save $15k - $20k in gas over the life of the car, so buying a comparable car that runs on gasoline is probably a better value. There are some tax credits for buying an electric car, but even with those the price is still going to be far more than a "regular" car.

    2. Re:Slashdot Suspending Editing by Zemran · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I had kharma points I would credit you. I am a fanboy of the Volt but it is out of my price range. There are a lot of hurdles to overcome with the car and they are not doing enough to make it attractive. If you live in an apartment or terrace, it is impractical etc.. If you have the ability it is still going to take some modifications like not everyone has power in the garage etc. So the overall cost is a big problem. I realise that this is an early concept and that prices will come down as people switch but I think that most people will agree with you.

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    3. Re:Slashdot Suspending Editing by nschubach · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not everyone leases vehicles though. I did once, and I'll never do it again. Tracking how many miles you can put on in a year and hoping you don't change jobs to somewhere further away is a PITA.

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    4. Re:Slashdot Suspending Editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's not the point, the point is that the headline is _FALSE_

      GM is _NOT_ suspending Sales.

      unbelievable sloppy editing here.

    5. Re:Slashdot Suspending Editing by Smidge204 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Guess that explains why California is the most popular market for all-electric vehicles. Oh wait, no it doesn't...

      To be on cost-per-mile par with $4.50/gal gasoline electricity would have to cost over $0.50 per kWh. (Comparing 30MPG to 3.5mi/kWh economies). Where in California are people paying north of $0.50 per kWh?

      Once you've answered that we can discuss TOU metering schemes that actually make electricity for charging EVs cheaper than the nominal daytime rate.
      =Smidge=

    6. Re:Slashdot Suspending Editing by fafaforza · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Selling close to 8000 vehicles where your projections were 10000 isn't that far off the target, and not enough to call it 'barely any demand'.

    7. Re:Slashdot Suspending Editing by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's all about flexibility. Your Cruze's overall energy cost (electricity + gas) will be much higher than the Volt for regular commuting, since the Cruze can't run on electricity, whereas the Volt can do so for 30-40 miles, which is enough for most commuters. A true EV like the Leaf can go farther, but 1) the Leaf is slow as shit, and tiny too, and 2) once you run out of juice in the Leaf, you're dead. In the Volt, you just switch over to gasoline and keep going. Then when you run out of gas after 300 miles (not too far from a regular car's range), you pull into a gas station and refuel and keep going. You can't do that with a true EV; it's limited to local driving only. So the Volt gives you the option of taking long-distance trips once in a while, even though the economy isn't as good as some smaller cars.

      So whether the car is for you depends on your usage pattern. If you mostly commute, but want the ability to take long-distance trips with the same car, it might be a good choice. If you just want to do a lot of long-distance driving, pick another car. If you want something for commuting only, and never plan to exceed 60-80 miles, then a Leaf might be a better choice. The main problem with the Volt as I see it is the price tag, which is $40k (but there's a $7500 federal tax credit too that you should take into account). However, Edmunds says the Leaf costs $35k (minus that same tax credit), so you're not saving that much going full-EV, and you're getting a smaller, slower car with probably a cheaper and more econobox-like interior (Edmunds says the Volt has the nicest and highest-quality interior they've seen in a Chevy). $35k is quite a lot for an economy car really. But the real one to beat is of course the Prius, which is downright reasonable at only $23k, though it doesn't have a plug-in option. There is a different Prius model just now coming out, with limited availability, that's a plug-in, but it costs $32k, a whopping $9k more than the regular version, though again the $7500 tax credit probably applies here; don't know if you can get that credit with the regular Prius but I doubt it.

  2. Simpler than that by Kupfernigk · · Score: 4, Insightful
    One of the reviews summarised it as:

    Less economical than a Prius

    Not as good as a Prius

    Costs more than a Prius

    Buy a Prius.

    To use a reverse car analogy, it's Motorola Xoom to iPad2.

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    1. Re:Simpler than that by silverhalide · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can't compare the Volt to the Prius. Reviewers who do so are technically incompetent and dishonest.

      If you go by just putting gas in the thing, then yes, the Prius comes out favorably. If you compare a Corvette to a minivan by how many passengers you can haul in it, yes, it sucks.

      You're not supposed to regularly put gas in the Volt. If you are, you're using it wrong.

      The Prius is a gasoline-only hybrid (ignoring the new short-range plug-in version this year which only goes 8-11 miles on a charge or half a typical commute). The Volt is an extended-range electric vehicle.

      The Volt is a new class of vehicle. You plug it in regularly, and ideally you almost never put any gas in it. The Prius doesn't do that.

      So if you don't want to plug in your car and you want to keep using gas, yes, buy that Prius.

  3. No surprise by msobkow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can buy TWO Ford Focus 40mpg cars for the same price as a Volt.

    Unlike other districts, there are no subsidies for the Volt in Saskatchewan.

    $20,000 buys a HELL of a lot of gasoline.

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  4. Who would have guessed? by medcalf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you make a product for political reasons, not because there's a market, and then subject it to the market, it tends not to do well. Huh.

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  5. Re:EV1 lovers are MIA by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The do, and people do.

    I don't live in the US any more, but I'm hardly unique (ie, there are people like me still there) who would really love to go electric since our driving patterns are ideally suited to having a small, quiet, economical electric car that you recharge at night at home. (DISCLAIMER: yes, I'm aware, you need to tow your boat from LA to NYC every 2 days while simultaneously carrying 8 people and their luggage and there are no charging stations on route... electric cars useless for everyone etc etc, no possible use case etc etc...)

    However, the current economics aren't making them viable - they're just too expensive at the moment but it's a chicken and egg problem since it's early generation tech and in low initial demand.

    Don't mistake slow sales of a very expensive electric vehicle as definitive proof of a lack of interest. When (if?) I can buy one for a similar cost (also factoring in fuel costs) to the 2 litre turbodiesel minivan I drive right now (53 mpg EU / 44.1 mpg US) that can easily haul 5 adults and luggage then I am sure sales will pick right up. Cracking that early adopter and economy of scale problem is not easy though. Bear in mind that I also pay around $8 per gallon for diesel in the UK and it's still cheaper than going all-electric right now (or even to hybrid).

  6. Re:Too expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Without significant subsidies GM would have sold even fewer cars. The subsidy is a just transfer payment to the well off. High efficiency diesel engines are probably the most cost effective option for the masses and our stupid EPA requirements keep best ones out of the USA.

    Yes, it is quite stupid of the EPA to worry about nitrogen dioxide. The masses need cost-effective cars, not healthy lungs.

  7. Re:Japan and Europe is where the industry is by slasher999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My 2003 Monte Carlo has 220,000 miles on it. I did choose to replace the motor and trans (both used) at 200,000 miles though instead of rebuilding the trans when the pressure control solenoid gave out and repair would have cost as much as the replacement motor and trans together, so those only have around 72K on them. Runs like a dream and by the condition of the interior and exterior you would never know this car had anywhere near 100K miles much less 220,000. Any car from the "big three" built within the past 20 years that is worth buying these days can go 300,000 miles with basic maintenance. Cars were garbage in the 80's and I think a lot of the mentality around longevity in the US these days is still based on experiences with those cars.

  8. Re:I know, I know by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Cannot get 4 adults plus dog plus ancillaries in a Yaris."

    Have multiple vehicles. I don't drive my F350 Ford or 366 big block Chevy truck unless I need to, but liability insurance is cheap and they are paid for.

    Multiple vehicles allows selection of the right tool for the job.

    Or rent what you need when you need it. We have a small car which we mainly use for commuting. When we need something bigger or with more cargo space (like a pickup), we rent from the city carshare program or a regular car rental agency which has surprisingly good weekend rates since they have a glut of cars from business travelers). The city carshare program is especially nice when I have to work late unexpectedly, they have cheap overnight rates and there are several locations within easy walking distance from work so I've always been able to get a car when I need it, even last minute. The overnight car rental rate is cheaper than it would cost to take a cab home.

    Our occasional car rental bill is much lower than our car payment would be on a second car.

  9. Re:A Joke by Rakishi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your numbers are way way way off. You probably missed a decimal point, it's $0.09 less (at best) per mile and not $0.90. Not counting maintenance and so on.

    That changes your examples significantly.

    Now your hypothetical ideal Volt candidate only saves $985.50 per year. And pays $20000 more for the car. In other words even the ideal user would lose money by buying a volt because they'd never make up the cost premium

    So yes, the comparison is very simple. The Volt sucks and no one should buy one.