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Did the Titanic Sink Due To an Optical Illusion?

Hugh Pickens writes "According to new research by British historian Tim Maltin, records by several ships in the area where the Titanic sank show atmospheric conditions were ripe for super refraction, a bending of light that caused a false horizon, concealing the iceberg that sank the Titanic in a mirage layer, which prevented the Titanic's lookouts from seeing the iceberg in time to avoid collision. According to the new theory, Titanic was sailing from Gulf Stream waters into the frigid Labrador Current, where the air column was cooling from the bottom up. This created a thermal inversion, with layers of cold air below layers of warmer air, creating a superior mirage. The theory also explains why the freighter Californian was unable to identify the Titanic on the moonless night, because even though the Titanic sailed into the Californian's view, it appeared too small to be the great ocean liner. The abnormally stratified air may also have disrupted signals sent by the Titanic by Morse Lamp to the Californian to no avail. This is not the first time atmospheric conditions have been postulated as a factor in the disaster that took 1,517 lives. An investigation in 1992 by the British government's Marine Accident Investigation Branch also suggested that super refraction may have played a role in the disaster (PDF, see page 13), but that possibility went unexplored until Maltin mined weather records, survivors' testimony and long-forgotten ships' logs."

166 comments

  1. Ptheh. by tqk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the fact that all the watertight doors of the "unsinkable ocean liner" were open sort of makes everything else irrelevant.

    User error, in the extreme. Bad Captain!

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    1. Re:Ptheh. by zippthorne · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm not sure that that would've mattered either, as the "water-tight" compartments weren't sealed at the top. Interestingly, they're still not sealed at the top, which i suspect contributed to the sinking of the costa concordia recently.

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    2. Re:Ptheh. by Brett+Buck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Incorrect. It was designed to remain afloat with "n" compartments flooded. The gash opened up "n+1" compartments. If it had hit head-on they wouldn't have sunk, the glancing shot (possibly or possibly not due to a last-second attempt at a turn) caused too many compartments to flood.

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    3. Re:Ptheh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If the compartments were sealed at the top the water within would not be able to distribute freely along the length of the vessel. There would be a mass of unstable liquid concentrated in one small section of the boat that would cause it to sink anyway.

    4. Re:Ptheh. by rikkards · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually about 5 or so years ago someone did an experiment to see if they had hit nose on instead if it would have stayed up. Unfortunately it would have still sunk. They also did a test to see if they had let the water flow through the bottom of the ship rather than sealing up would it have sunk slower and more upright. That ended up sinking it faster by an estimated hour and the last of it would have been really fast.

    5. Re:Ptheh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      They don't fully seal the tops, because you're only supposed to breach 1 or 2 in case of trouble. If you breach 4 or 5, the ship won't stay afloat on the remaining ones (for long). The top of the breached compartments would end up bursting due to the water pressure contained in those compartments if they were fully sealed at the top.

      Both Titanic and Concordia stayed afloat long enough to evacuate safely. In Titanic's case, there were not enough lifeboats, and the ones that were launched were not filled to capacity. In Concordia's case, the captain waited so long to order the lifeboats deployed, that many were unusable due to the severe list (tilt) of the ship. In both cases, high speed impact tore open too many compartments to save either ship, but the design worked long enough to move people to lifeboats and deploy them.

      There have been many passenger shipwrecks where loss of life was minimal, because another ship came alongside and took the passengers to safety without using lifeboats at all.

    6. Re:Ptheh. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      They are supposed to close when an emergency arises, not before it happens.

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    7. Re:Ptheh. by tqk · · Score: 0

      It was designed to remain afloat with "n" compartments flooded. The gash opened up "n+1" compartments.

      Hmm. Well, if they'd had those doors closed, rescuers may have been able to show up in time to save all souls. It'd probably have sunk a lot slower. Still, bad captain, monumental user error, they should have known better, *it was a British ship* after all and the Brits believed the oceans were their "biatches."

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    8. Re:Ptheh. by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

      If the compartments were sealed at the top the water within would not be able to distribute freely along the length of the vessel. There would be a mass of unstable liquid concentrated in one small section of the boat that would cause it to sink anyway.

      In the same way that when you fill one compartment of an ice cube tray, it lists horribly then sinks?

    9. Re:Ptheh. by Gideon+Wells · · Score: 3, Funny

      Frankly, so many plausible reasons for the Titanic's sinking have been proposed and proved to be plausible that I won't be surprised if there is a time traveling insurance agency right now back then looking into the possibility of insurance fraud.

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    10. Re:Ptheh. by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 3, Informative

      ... The watertight doors on the Titanic weren't open when it went down. That's part of why it went down nose first, because the front section of the ship flooded faster than the rear.

    11. Re:Ptheh. by tqk · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure that that would've mattered either, as the "water-tight" compartments weren't sealed at the top ...

      That might have mattered to the Edmund Fizgerald, but I don't think the Titanic was experiencing high seas when it ran into that iceberg.

      Interestingly, they're still not sealed at the top, which i suspect contributed to the sinking of the costa concordia recently.

      What? That was a cruise ship that ran aground due to an arrogant captain ignoring the charts (and radar!) trying to impress his friends.

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    12. Re:Ptheh. by tomhath · · Score: 1

      I think the fact that all the watertight doors of the "unsinkable ocean liner" were open sort of makes everything else irrelevant.

      Well, almost everything. Hitting the iceberg in the first place is still relevant.

    13. Re:Ptheh. by tqk · · Score: 1

      They are supposed to close when an emergency arises, not before it happens.

      Why wait for an emergency to happen? Convenience? When lives are potentially at stake?

      I'm not an, "Oh god, oh god save us DHS!" safety freak, but I do believe that automated systems should default to safest/most benign function. I take "Do no harm" much more seriously than any doctor I've known.

      If you can't do good, do nothing. If you can't do nothing, at least get out of the way. Thx.

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    14. Re:Ptheh. by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Informative

      Warships seal the compartments all the way to the top. Even the cable penetrations are watertight.

      It's expensive, so I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that's the reason they don't do it.

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    15. Re:Ptheh. by SlashV · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think cost was the issue here. It is just very inconvenient for a passenger liner. Moving around the ship will become very difficult if you have to get through a watertight door every few meters.

      Also there may have been structural issues. Even if the bulkheads would have been completely watertight, the flooding of all forward compartments would have caused the ship to pitch forward, which might have caused here to break in two like she did anyway. I am no expert on early twentieth century passenger liner design, but I am sure they had their reason to design her the way they did.

    16. Re:Ptheh. by CyprusBlue113 · · Score: 1

      Concordia wasn't a huge problem because it drifted onto solid ground shallow enough to keep it mostly above water. If it had not been carried by onshore winds, it would have been a much different story. The captain waited far to long to declare it time to abandon.

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    17. Re:Ptheh. by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Concordia wasn't a huge problem because it drifted onto solid ground shallow enough to keep it mostly above water. If it had not been carried by onshore winds, it would have been a much different story. The captain waited far to long to declare it time to abandon.

      Well, he made up for it by not waiting long afterward before getting himself off the ship ...

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    18. Re:Ptheh. by filthpickle · · Score: 1

      The point they are making is that it mattered that the water tight compartments weren't sealed at the top because once one eventually filled up (from the leak towards the bottom) the water spilled into the one next to it.

    19. Re:Ptheh. by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      I think the fact that all the watertight doors of the "unsinkable ocean liner" were open sort of makes everything else irrelevant. User error, in the extreme. Bad Captain!

      No, the error isn't on Captain's part.
       
      In pretty much every ship, including warships and submarines, those doors are routinely left open to allow normal fore-and-aft working access. They're closed (in the case of warships) before going into battle, or (for all ships) in the event of a casualty (fire, flooding, etc...). That's why the doors (on Titanic) could be remotely operated from the bridge, so that they could all be be quickly closed in the event of a casualty.
       
      In any event, even if the doors had been closed, it wouldn't have made any difference - because the damage from the collision opened too many compartments to the sea. The remaining compartments that flooded did so from the top, because they didn't have a lid. (Standard practice then and now on commercial vessels.) Naval vessels of course are designed to withstand a greater amount of damage and have lids - horizontal watertight bulkheads.

    20. Re:Ptheh. by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I am no expert on early twentieth century passenger liner design, but I am sure they had their reason to design her the way they did.

      It was cost. Ships just a few years before were mostly either one big space (especially sailing ships) or just a very few compartments. Adding more compartments not only requires more material and construction time, it adds weight which reduces carrying capacity, and it makes travel between compartments slower and more complicated. Sometimes there is no direct path and you have to go up over and down, or sideways.

      All that costs money. Besides, as crummy as it was, it was better then most designs beforehand, so they thought it good enough and figured any further expense would be entirely wasted. They were thinking of one or two big holes, not hundreds of small holes from popped rivets and burst seams.

    21. Re:Ptheh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd quite like to find more out about that. The Olympic had that sort of impact and she didn't sink. (For those who don't know, the Titanic was the second of the Olympic class liners.)

    22. Re:Ptheh. by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 2

      No, you only need them closed before hand if there's a chance of imminent catastrophe. Warships generally steam with frequently used hatches and doors open. At general quarters, all are closed. There are intermediate stages where some are closed when steaming in war zones but without imminent battle expected.

      My carrier could set battle stations in 4-5 minutes. A cruise ship could probably set them in ten minutes (wild assed guess) because they don't have as many doors and hatches, don't have as many crew to set them, and don't practice it all the time. That's fine for all except battle conditions where you want them set before battle.

    23. Re:Ptheh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A friend of mine who worked in steel fabrication said that by modern standards, the steel for the Titanic's hull was below all acceptable specifications.

    24. Re:Ptheh. by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      Good point, and one I missed, was MODERN warships. They probably learned the lesson from the Titanic.

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    25. Re:Ptheh. by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Even by the standards of the time most of the mid-ship hull bolts were well below acceptable specifications. Budget overruns led to the contractors making criminally negligent shortcuts. It wasn't the first time and it won't be the last either.

    26. Re:Ptheh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The designers and owners of the Titanic never claimed it was unsinkable, that was a claim made by a shipping publication at the time regarding its safety measures which were very advanced for that era. The unsinkable claim made it out into the public perception, obviously they didnt go out of their way to assure people that it could indeed sink, but they never made the claim themselves.

    27. Re:Ptheh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually about 5 or so years ago someone did an experiment to see if they had hit nose on instead if it would have stayed up. Unfortunately it would have still sunk. They also did a test to see if they had let the water flow through the bottom of the ship rather than sealing up would it have sunk slower and more upright. That ended up sinking it faster by an estimated hour and the last of it would have been really fast.

      I'd quite like to find more out about that. The Olympic had that sort of impact and she didn't sink. (For those who don't know, the Titanic was the second of the Olympic class liners.)

      I too would like to find out more about that because the first ship to issue an SOS call hit an iceberg in that region and it survived.

    28. Re:Ptheh. by fast+turtle · · Score: 2

      There were metalurgical tests ran on the samples recovered when the wreck was found. Those tests showed that the hull plating was not what had been specified. Instead it was brittle due too high a Carbon Content and the information was on I believe the Discovery Channel so the video's may still be available.

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    29. Re:Ptheh. by ryanov · · Score: 1

      I saw a show about this on TV and they said the steel was fine for the time, but that the wrought iron rivets were not (those not put in by machine).

    30. Re:Ptheh. by ryanov · · Score: 1

      What evidence do you have that they were open?

    31. Re:Ptheh. by johnb10001 · · Score: 1

      They must of had a contract with Halliburton

    32. Re:Ptheh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Evidence? Video footage taken at the time of berg impact, chat logs between passengers, and the twitter feed of the captain. Good enough for you?

    33. Re:Ptheh. by johnb10001 · · Score: 1

      I did see a show where they retrieved a piece of metal from the bottom of the ocean and determined that the metal was brittle in cold water. In this show they thought the metal was weak and that is why the rivets popped off. If the rivets didn't pop off the Titanic would have floated a few hours longer. They also mentioned the shipyard used steel created with a new manufacturing process.

    34. Re:Ptheh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot video footage taken from one of the dives down to it. For some reason they opened the doors which had been closed after the collision with the iceberg to allow the crew to go from the stern of the ship forward with something in an attempt to save the ship. As no one survived from this we do not know what they were doing.

    35. Re:Ptheh. by AmigaMMC · · Score: 1

      Nope! It sank because of an iceberg

    36. Re:Ptheh. by dryeo · · Score: 1

      The Captains error was in speeding through an ice field.

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    37. Re:Ptheh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      All the watertight doors were shut.

      The problem was that not all the watertight BULKHEADS extended to the main deck, this was to allow the large first class saloons in the fore-part of the ship to be created, well away from the heat and noise of the boilers and engines. As the Titanic ran alongside the iceberg, it popped the rivits along a seam below the waterline, allowing the compartments with reduced-height bulkkheads to flood and, as the ship nosed down, water cascaded over the top of each of the lower bulkheads, speedily filling the next compartment. With full height bulkheads, the Titanic would have settled at the head, but have remained in a stable afloat condition. The pumps may well have been able to hold her there and power would not have been lost as the boiler rooms would not have flooded. There would have been deaths, but not on the same aweful scale.

      Paradoxically, if they hadn't tried to avoid the iceberg, the Titanic would probably not only have survived, but would have been able to reach port under her own steam. If the ship had been put in reverse and hit the iceberg bow on, the first compartment would have been breached, and the second bulkhead damaged too, but there would have been no longitudenal seam splitting and the pumps would have been able to deal with any leaks through the damaged bulkheads. Again, the death-toll would have been far less and the Titanic would have been hailed as the Unsinkable Liner...

      Of course, it would then have taken longer for requirements on bulkhead height and lifeboat provision to be tightened up.

    38. Re:Ptheh. by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 2

      There were not enough lifeboats because that was standard practice at the time, the thinking was that the lifeboats were not for sitting in awaiting rescue, but for ferrying passengers across to the rescuing ships, along with the rescuing ships lifeboats, not as mad as it sounds, there were 3-4 ships in the area who could have helped, but didn't either because their radio was off, or thought they were too far away ...there was normally a lot of ships in the Atlantic it was very busy ...

      Because of the Titanic it was changed to have enough lifeboat capacity for all aboard, and make the lifeboats survival systems rather than little more than emergency ferries ...

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    39. Re:Ptheh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Titanic patriarch Walter Lord made this same point. Brunel's "The Great Eastern" was honeycombed with transverse and longitudinal bulkheads, and when she did hit an uncharted rock, she stayed afloat. However, for people to navigate around the ship, you had to climb over bulkheads, walk along an open deck, and then down into the relevant watertight compartment. It made for a safe ship, but it wasn't practicable. The Titanic, and other ships of that era, required easy access for stewards, and also to allow easy escape. To do this, watertight bulkheads only went up so far; all the ones below them had doors built in them. The electrically operated doors were closed, but some of the manually operated ones may not have been...

    40. Re:Ptheh. by Archimonde · · Score: 1

      On a cruise ship all watertight doors can be closed remotely from the Bridge in 60 seconds max.

      There are different types of WTDs and some are kept closed all the time, some are closed when in navigation, and some are closed in navigation when there is a higher than normal chance of having a problem (fog, rough sea, manouvering in/out of port etc).

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    41. Re:Ptheh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The electrically operated ones (which were closed seconds before the collision) that sealed off breached compartments were left closed. However, the doors leading up to these compartments were re-opened soon afterwards to allow the crew easier access to the undamaged areas, and also to allow a huge suction pipe from the engine room's own powerful pumps to be brought forward to be hooked up to the bilges of the damaged compartments. These re-opened doors could be closed manually, or if the water level raised a float to a certain height, and thus closing the doors automatically.

    42. Re:Ptheh. by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Well that and the fact that the steel used to make both the rivets and parts of the ship weren't of the best quality and were found later to become brittle easily which meant a good whack and rivets would pop. Any way you slice it that ship was pretty well screwed from the second it slid out of drydock, it was just a matter of time. Remember folks this thing was built at the turn of the 20th century, our knowledge of metallurgy and the effect of different levels of impurities on metal strengths simply wasn't that great back then.

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    43. Re:Ptheh. by fnj · · Score: 1

      Utter nonsense. The doors were closed right after the collision, long before enough water entered to sink the ship. It was the fact that water kept progressively flooding over the tops of the bulkheads with the doors CLOSED that caused the sinking.

    44. Re:Ptheh. by tqk · · Score: 1

      The watertight doors on the Titanic weren't open when it went down.

      You guys are really straining my faith in historians today. When I was growing up, everybody *knew* those doors were left open.

      Damnit. Damnit. Damnit. :-P

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    45. Re:Ptheh. by ryanov · · Score: 1

      I've seen a few places that excess slag in wrought iron rivets was what they found the cause of that part to be... the steel was alright for the time it was made.

    46. Re:Ptheh. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      To be fair, he was entangled in a lifeboat with a dancer. It's not like he was fucking around or anything.

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    47. Re:Ptheh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually this gives a new thought, why did the captain of the titanic not order 6 smalelr vessels to escort it in a radius of 1 nautical mile each direction. it would have certainly not cost much comparitively and would have saved the titanic. hmm about time someone make a 3 hour movie of all that happens on a stranded but saved titanic in such a scenario, im free to direct it btw jsut email me

    48. Re:Ptheh. by tqk · · Score: 1

      You forgot video footage taken from one of the dives down to it. For some reason they opened the doors which had been closed after the collision with the iceberg to allow the crew to go from the stern of the ship forward with something in an attempt to save the ship.

      Crap. I think what I'll take away from this is there's a market out there for a "Titanic For Dummies", and historians have been resting on their laurels. For cryin' out loud, pull it together! :-(

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    49. Re:Ptheh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sank because it hit an iceberg which ripped the hull open and it filled with water. Now, it may have hit the iceberg in part because of an optical illusion, but that's not what the title says.

    50. Re:Ptheh. by camperdave · · Score: 1

      I don't think cost was the issue here. It is just very inconvenient for a passenger liner. Moving around the ship will become very difficult if you have to get through a watertight door every few meters.

      Nonsense. During normal conditions, the bulkhead doors remain open to allow easy travel. During an emergency, then they are closed.

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    51. Re:Ptheh. by camperdave · · Score: 1

      No. The doors were closed. The compartments were not sealed, nor sealable at the top, which means that the air in those compartments escaped, allowing the water to enter. If the compartments were sealed at the top, you'd have a bunch of upside-down cans and the ship would have remained afloat.

      If the compartment doors were left open, the water would have ran the length of the ship. This would have had the effect of keeping the ship level as she sank. It would have taken longer for the ship to sink, and because it would have remained level, it have been possible to get more people off. However, even with the extra time, Titanic would have sank before Carpathia arrived.

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    52. Re:Ptheh. by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Convenience is exactly the reason, and having the doors open except in an emergency *IS* the safest/most benign function. These doors are heavy. If they have to be opened and closed all the time as people go back and forth within the ship, then someone is going to get their hand or foot caught in the door. It won't just hurt, it will break the bones. Furthermore, people will simply prop the doors open anyway, and when you need the bulkheads sealed, the door will be jammed open.

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    53. Re:Ptheh. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      You must be nearing 110 or so. I have a book from 1980's that mentions the doors as having been closed immediately after the collision. Somehow I don't think that was considered news at that time, either. There were, like, two independent tribunals, you know? US Senate Subcommittee led by William Alden Smiths and a British Board of Trade investigation headed by Lord Mersey. The whole unfortunate affair had been documented in considerable detail even by the end 1912.

      You don't have to "*know*" anything, it's sufficient to simply read history books.

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    54. Re:Ptheh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    55. Re:Ptheh. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Watertight cable penetrations are normal on most vessels I've worked on - mostly for fire and flammable gas control rather than for water control, but both purposes are served by the same "MCT" blocks (Multiple Cable Transit).

      And what a pig they are to work with too. A great disincentive to fucking with the wiring loom.

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  2. Quick, We can fix this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone go back and tell the lookouts, maybe then we can fix this disaster...
    Movie re-release hype... no one cares why it happened... they hit an iceberg - it doesn't matter why.

  3. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sank due to shitty steel. It might have collided with an iceberg due to super refraction.

    1. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It sank because it filled up with water.

      No, it sank because it stopped displacing enough water to stay buoyant. FTFY

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    2. Re:No by Swanktastic · · Score: 2

      I think you have the chops to become a government consultant. Lucky for you, IBM is recruiting!

    3. Re:No by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      And speed doesn't kill; stopping does.

    4. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sank because it filled up with water.

      Who cares why it sank, so long as it took Leonardo D'craprio with it!

    5. Re:No by siddesu · · Score: 1

      Putin would have been even more succinct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqDqvKYDv9M

    6. Re:No by jimicus · · Score: 1

      You've been modded funny but you're absolutely correct.

      More-or-less all ships take on water in one form or another. Maybe tiny bits that aren't 100% watertight, maybe spray landing on the top deck and dripping down, maybe a problem with sewage disposal that results in black or grey water not being jettisoned. Whatever - the upshot is that the very bottom of the ship - the bilges - invariably has a certain amount of fairly disgusting water in it.

      So you have (depending on the size of the ship) a number of pumps that pump this water up and out through a hole some way up the hull. Usually these pumps are sized such that they're substantially overpowered relative to the amount of water you'd normally expect to see in the bilges. The reason for this is so that they can cope with pumping out the water in the event of an accident causing the boat to take on more water than it should be - if the water's coming in at fifty gallons a minute (number plucked from thin air) but your pumping system can get rid of eighty gallons a minute, you're OK.

      Of course, if the damage is bad enough that you're taking on water at a hundred gallons a minute, you're in trouble.

    7. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah so the title should be "Did the Titanic Crash into Iceberg Due to an Optical Illusion?"

  4. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It sank because it filled up with water.

  5. Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by jholyhead · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's more likely?

    Lookouts weren't paying attention or a rare optical effect making the iceberg invisible.

    1. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Occam's world must've been very, very boring.

    2. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by LateArthurDent · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's more likely?

      When playing poker, the probability any individual has a pair is higher than the probability he has four of a kind. Therefore, by Occam's Razor, nobody has ever gotten a four of a kind.

      Clearly the above doesn't make sense. What's more likely, that Occam's Razor is worthless or that you don't understand Occam's Razor?

      Occam's Razor only applies to two theories that give the exact same prediction. The moment they can be differentiated by testing hypotheses, you don't invoke Occam's Razor. You test the hypotheses.

    3. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More likely doesn't always make the other option unreasonable. These kind of mirages are not that much rare, it's actually a phenomenon well known since ages by navigators. The effect can very easily conceal even very big objects: it's not unlikely it played a role in the Titanic disaster, even with lookouts actually paying attention.

      Look at this: image the same effect at night, hiding an Iceberg which does not stand out as easily as a red painted ship.

    4. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by thedonger · · Score: 0

      The simplest conclusion of the two is that Occam's Razor is worthless, therefore no one has ever had four of a kind in poker. Also, we must conclude that the lookouts were not looking, and so the rare optical effect does not exist. In conclusion, Libya is a land of contrast. Thank you.

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    5. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by tqk · · Score: 1

      Occam's world must've been very, very boring.

      ... but he slept very soundly.

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    6. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by Kittenman · · Score: 1
      Tut. I agree with the OP. Occam's razor (or actually 'William of Ockham's razor') states that when faced with two solutions for the same problem, the simpler of the two solutions is more likely to be the correct one.

      The poker reference is probability. To Occam-ize it, you could say "What's more likely - that the person giggling like a maniac and raising my bet is possessed by the devil, has gone insane or has a very good idea - possibly four of a kind". It's more likely that he has a good hand - but it's still possible that he has in fact sold his soul, or lost the plot.

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    7. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or he is bluffing

      (poorly btw)

      and does only have a pair.

    8. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What's more likely?

      Lookouts weren't paying attention or a rare optical effect making the iceberg invisible.

      optical illusion makes it harder to pay attention.

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    9. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know. After a long, uneventful day full of doldrum and endless tedium, A sound sleep does not easily come unless you have a death wish. Maybe it's just me...

    10. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Occam's Razor only applies to two theories that give the exact same prediction. The moment they can be differentiated by testing hypotheses, you don't invoke Occam's Razor. You test the hypotheses.

      But we do have two hypothesis: (1) Titanic's lookouts were slacking / not doing their job properly, therefore there was no warning about the iceberg
      or.. (2) Titanic's lookouts were fooled by this complicated weather phenomena that masked the iceberg from their view, therefore there was no warning about the iceberg

    11. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by mysidia · · Score: 1

      When playing poker, the probability any individual has a pair is higher than the probability he has four of a kind. Therefore, by Occam's Razor, nobody has ever gotten a four of a kind.

      No. Occam's razor is not a rule of inference. Occam's razor is a standard for comparing the plausibility of different theories.

      Occam's razor would not predict "Nobody has ever gotten four of a kind"; Occam's razor would predict that the observed probability of having four of a kind when picking cards from the deck would likely apply.

    12. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What's is there stopping from both theory being correct? This is not a if or relationships but rather both theories can easily coincide. I am inclined to believe that both are correct as super refraction does fit in with other aspects other then just the crashing.

    13. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by LateArthurDent · · Score: 5, Informative

      Occam's razor (or actually 'William of Ockham's razor') states that when faced with two solutions for the same problem, the simpler of the two solutions is more likely to be the correct one.

      No, no, no, no. That's a huge pet peeve of mine, and it's what I was trying to correct. Occam's razor says NOTHING about correctness.

      All it says is that if you've got two hypotheses that make the exact same predictions, there's no reason to use the one that involves more variables to arrive at your predictions. You take the simpler one, since it will give you the same answers anyway. The example I like to give, and have posted before on slashdot, is this:

      You and I are given a black box that takes an integer input and returns an integer output. We are tasked with coming up with a hypothesis for the algorithm with the box. We give it the input 3 and it returns 5. We give it the input 7 and it returns 9. We give it 21 and it returns 23. You come up with the hypothesis, "the black box adds 2 to the input." I come up with the hypothesis, "the black box first adds 7 to the input, and then it subtracts 5." Both our theories of what the black box is doing internally give the same prediction for any input, and neither is getting invalidated by the input. In fact, if one of them gets invalidated by an output, so does the other. However, my hypothesis is unnecessarily more complex by adding an additional operation to arrive at the same prediction. That additional complexity also adds more questions. Does it really add 7 and subtract 5? Why not add 9 and then subtract 7? We could spend tons of time trying to figure out exactly what numbers it adds and subtracts when really, all we need to make the proper predictions is your simpler hypothesis.

      Which one is actually correct? Who knows? And it doesn't matter if all our theory is meant to do is explain the output. Now let's say we introduce more tests. We consider how long the box takes to come up with the output, we have a comparison black box that we are assured has the same hardware, and we code the software for that second black box ourselves. We make it just add two to the input, and it gives us the output twice as fast. Now we have reason to believe that more than one operation is going on. We have something to differentiate the theories, and Occam's Razor no longer applies: different predictions are at work and your hypothesis predicts a faster computation time than my hypothesis.

    14. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by LateArthurDent · · Score: 1

      Occam's Razor only applies to two theories that give the exact same prediction. The moment they can be differentiated by testing hypotheses, you don't invoke Occam's Razor. You test the hypotheses.

      But we do have two hypothesis:
        (1) Titanic's lookouts were slacking / not doing their job properly, therefore there was no warning about the iceberg

      or.. (2) Titanic's lookouts were fooled by this complicated weather phenomena that masked the iceberg from their view,
      therefore there was no warning about the iceberg

      And they give different predictions. In particular, the authors claim that (2) explains something (1) does not, regarding Titanic's visibility by the Californian. So you can't just say "(1) is a simpler hypothesis than (2), let's go with that." You have to examine the claim and put it to the test. Can the visibility issue also be explained by (1)? If so, then you can invoke Occam's, assuming the authors' hypothesis don't make yet other claims that would also have to examine.

    15. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would Occam's Razor predict then?

      Oh, I see now that you answered that further down in your post, after I had already stopped reading and hit "reply."

    16. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually have two hypothesis about how to pick hypothesis but am having a little trouble deciding between the two.

    17. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by nahdude812 · · Score: 1

      You're doing God's work here, LateArthurDent. Thanks for defending the right definition. It's ridiculous how often people posit two theories which don't predict the same outcomes, then side with the simpler theory on the basis of its simplicity alone, invoking the razor as though the theories were in quantum flux, and they collapsed the multiple theories into truth by having observed the name Occam.

    18. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I have never understood the point of the (popular) concept of Occam's Razor, as it is simply not true that the less complicated of two alternatives is the better one. But in the limited sense you describe, it makes sense, albeit to no great practical purpose.

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    19. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by LateArthurDent · · Score: 2

      I have never understood the point of the (popular) concept of Occam's Razor, as it is simply not true that the less complicated of two alternatives is the better one. But in the limited sense you describe, it makes sense, albeit to no great practical purpose.

      Well, I think it is of great practical purpose, although I do agree that it's a far more obvious conclusion. It's the reason why the heliocentric model should be chosen over the geocentric one. You can actually create a very complex set of equations to describe the motion of the other planets with the Earth at the center, as the reference location. Unlike another popular belief, there's nothing inherently wrong with that. You can be any point and define, "I will pick this point as the reference to all movement." That said, things get a lot easier when you pick the Sun, so you should do that. It's like choosing to use cylindrical coordinates to solve a math problem. Yes, you could solve all problems using cartesian coordinates, but it just works out better if you use cylindrical.

      I think that the "simpler hypothesis is the most likely to be correct one" popular understanding came about because making things more complex than they need to be also does have the tendency to introduce errors. In the black box example I gave, even if the black box is adding a number and then subtracting another, how do I figure out which number it is adding and subtracting? Maybe I have that wrong, and it's 9 and 7, it's 115 and 113. So you get into the business of discussing parameters that you don't need and anything you picked might be in error anyway. Now, take moving from the geocentric to the heliocentric model. Not only is a lot simpler to figure out the motion of the planets, but now you can ask yourself, "why is it simpler? What makes it possible for me to drop all these variables and still arrive at the correct answer?" and eventually figure out that it's because gravitational pull is proportional to mass, so you get a "more correct result".

      Of course, the reason I still fight that perception is because it's not always the case. Newton's Laws are a lot simpler than relativity. The reason we don't invoke Occam's and just use Newton's Laws is because, under certain conditions, they give different predictions and Einstein gives the correct one. So you always take the simpler model that explains all the facts, but if you need to add complexity in order to explain a behavior better, then that's what you do.

    20. Re:Occam's razor isn't something you shave with by LateArthurDent · · Score: 1

      Yes, you could solve all problems using cartesian coordinates, but it just works out better if you use cylindrical.

      And, of course, I mean "if you use cylindrical in cases where the problem is simplified by doing so."

  6. Dumb question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Doesn't this situation still come about from time to time? What do captains of huge ships do nowadays to prevent collisions with icebergs hidden by mirage?

    1. Re:Dumb question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Radar?

    2. Re:Dumb question by John+Hasler · · Score: 2

      Radar. Satellite images.

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    3. Re:Dumb question by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's also an International Ice Patrol that flies around the north atlantic looking for icebergs.

    4. Re:Dumb question by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      There's also an International Ice Patrol that flies around the north atlantic looking for icebergs.

      Does it bomb them to tiny pieces when it discovers them?

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  7. Who cares? by Stumbles · · Score: 0

    The unsinkable sank.

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    1. Re:Who cares? by crispytwo · · Score: 1

      lesson partially learned

    2. Re:Who cares? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      But we've made progress since then: Look at the new unsinkable financial institutions.

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  8. Did the Olympia Sink Due To an Optical Illusion? by owenferguson · · Score: 0

    "According to new research by British historian Tim Maltin, records by several ships in the area where the Titanic sank show atmospheric conditions were ripe for super refraction, a bending of light that caused a false horizon that concealed the iceberg that sank the Titanic in a mirage layer preventing the Titanic's lookouts from seeing the iceberg in time to avoid collision. According to the new theory, Olympia was sailing from Gulf Stream waters into the frigid Labrador Current, where the air column was cooling from the bottom up, creating a thermal inversion with layers of cold air below layers of warmer air creating a superior mirage. The theory also explains why the freighter Californian was unable to identify the Olympia on the moonless night because even though the Olympia sailed into the Californian's view, it appeared too small to be the great ocean liner. The abnormally stratified air may also have disrupted signals sent by the Titanic by Morse Lamp to the California to no avail. This is not the first time atmospheric conditions have been postulated as a factor in the disaster that took 1,517 lives. An investigation in 1992 by the British government's Marine Accident Investigation Branch also suggested that super refraction may have played a role in the disaster (PDF See page 13), but that possibility went unexplored until Maltin mined weather records, survivors' testimony and long-forgotten ships' logs." FTFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdxJp2fVXJ8

  9. Did the Titanic Sink Due To an Optical Illusion? by nospam007 · · Score: 0

    Yes, the Italian captain forgot his classes before he went to the bridge, no shit.

  10. The illusion might have added to the many reasons by VinylRecords · · Score: 5, Informative

    The 'optical illusion' might have added to the many reasons that the Titanic sank on its maiden voyage but it certainly was not the main cause. The ship was legendary at the time before it had even made its maiden voyage. The largest and most elaborate and ornate vessel of its time. A floating palace. A moving island on the sea. The Titanic.

    The ship's captain and others postulated that running the ship at full speed from its last stop in Europe all the way to America would make enormous headlines. If the ship arrived in New York ahead of schedule by a day it would be a media sensation and basically the best advertising that they could buy. So the ship's operators plowed through the ocean at the fastest possible speed (which was a common practice though).

    To make things worse the ship's operators both ignored and missed warnings about dangerous fields of ice that they were approaching. An area of ocean crowded with frozen solid and tremendously large icebergs. A nearby ship, the Californian, stopped near where the Titanic sank that night, only a few miles away, because they were extremely cautious and nervous about smashing the ship into a mass of ice. So they waited to resume travel until the morning. The Californian even sent messages to the Titanic warning them of the ice fields. Those messages were essentially ignored.

    At the time that Titanic was built it was considered unsinkable. There had been accidents in the past where large ships had smashed head first into icebergs and stayed above water. And the Titanic had been built stronger, sturdier, and tougher than any ship ever made. The Titanic's captain even said before the first voyage, "there is no condition which would cause a ship to founder. Modern shipbuilding has gone beyond that".

    The ship is going full speed. It's traveling into an area where there are icebergs the size of small islands. The lookouts are not equipped with binoculars and are not aware of what kind of field they are traveling into. The moon is black so there is no light over the ocean. The water is completely calm so they can't hear waves crashing against the icebergs to warn them (years later it is then known that calm water indicates fields of ice). And by the time that the lookouts spot the iceberg...they are traveling full speed right for it and there isn't enough time to turn. They were traveling full speed, blind, deaf, and into a death trap.

    The ship smashes into the iceberg and grinds its side into the mass of ice tearing a few small holes into the side of the ship. The tears are only a few feet long and inches wide but the ocean water is relentless. The Titanic was designed to survive the front two below deck compartments flooding with water. Or any other four compartments located below deck flooding completely. Instead, the first five compartments are almost instantly flooded from ocean water raging through the breaches, the ship is doomed. The ship will sink in less than two hours and there is nothing to stop it. Trapped in the middle of the ocean with nowhere to go and lifeboats for less than half of the passengers.

    While there were only half as many lifeboats as would have been necessary to save everyone, over two-thirds of people on the ship were not able to escape. One reason is that people were so zealous about the "women and children" first rule that they were sending half empty lifeboats off of the ship without loading any men on them. Also they were loading lifeboats according to your travel class. First class passengers were more likely to be saved. Third class passengers had to wait their turns. That's why for the blockbuster Titanic they had a first class woman paired with a third class man. Those two had the best and worst odds of surviving the disaster based on lifeboat placement.

    So no it wasn't an optical illusion. It was a series of many things that contributed to the Titanic sinking on its maiden voyage. Poor lookouts. Dangerous speeds. Lack of modern understanding of calm water indicating dangerous conditions. No moonlight. Purposefully ignoring warnings of dangerous conditions including icebergs. Even without an optical illusion that ship unfortunately still sinks.

  11. Re:It hit an iceberg by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    it scraped an iceberg, it would have been better for everyone if they had hit it.

  12. Multiple causes by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    1. Lookouts not paying attention
    2. Ship was going too fast
    3. Rivets and steel were sub-par
    4. Pure arrogance
    5. Captain was a dunce
    6. Etc

    Like a woman talking on the phone while driving an SUV full of children - an accident looking for a place to happen.

  13. Re:The illusion might have added to the many reaso by Elastic+Lad · · Score: 1

    The biggest problem, as is disclosed in the inquiry transcripts, is that the lookouts were unbelievably not issued binoculars.

  14. no... by Bizzeh · · Score: 0

    no. it sank because it hit a massive block of ice which put a massive hole in it...

  15. "Mission Accomplished" Banner Blocked View of Berg by retroworks · · Score: 1

    Less likely, but more interesting to consider.

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  16. Re:The illusion might have added to the many reaso by findoutmoretoday · · Score: 1

    The ship was legendary at the time before it had even made its maiden voyage. The largest and most elaborate and ornate vessel of its time. A floating palace. A moving island on the sea. The Titanic.

    All that, and at the same time the Titanic being of the Olympic class it is just a good copy of the Olympic

  17. Re:Did the Titanic Sink Due To an Optical Illusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    John Kerry, whichever way the wind blows...

  18. Why didn't they just... by Zandamesh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Turn the ship around and go back to the floating iceberg, board it, and wait for help there?

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    1. Re:Why didn't they just... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well duh. It was an invisible iceberg - how the hell would rescuers find them?
      And for that matter, how do you know that some of the Titanic's passengers didn't make it back to the invisible ice berg? They'd never run out of water, and if they were able to catch fish, for all we know, they could still be floating around the Atlantic somewhere. With the right combination of males and females, there might even be a whole society of invisible iceberg people. I wonder if they'd have a leader, or a captain?

    2. Re:Why didn't they just... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but it's what I wondered as a kid as well. but hubris ruled even trying that out too

    3. Re:Why didn't they just... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      I heard that they have travelled to the Bermuda triangle.

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    4. Re:Why didn't they just... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plundering all sea & air craft that unwittingly cross into their territory.

    5. Re:Why didn't they just... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well maybe because it was a jagged mountain of ice, but, hey. Great idea, I'm sure it would've been easy to get and stay onboard.

    6. Re:Why didn't they just... by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 1

      Turn the ship around and go back to the floating iceberg, board it, and wait for help there?

      Because icebergs are not stationary objects. As they melt, their bouyancy shifts and the iceberg flips over. Plus it is near impossible to maintain a steady footing on the slippery surface of an ocean borne iceberg, much less board it.

      Another fact contributing to the sinking is the report from the lookouts (they survived the sinking) that the iceberg was very dark. If the iceberg had recently flipped over, its new face above water would be darker. Zero moonlight and lack of waves on the calm sea presented a deadly combination making the berg extremely hard to spot.

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    7. Re:Why didn't they just... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's an interesting idea but 1. Ice is slippery. 2. This berg was melting so it was WET, which is even more slippery. 3. Icebergs are like little mountains and are very steep. 4. Ropesn, Ice axes and crampons aren't standard issue safety equipment for evacuating a cruise ship. 5. Even if they had the equipment, many passengers would not be able to use it. 6. There is nobody on it to help you dock safely, so you might just punch more holes in the ship. 7. The ice below the waterline might extend out, so you would still have open water between the berg and the ship, which means using the lifeboats anyway. 8. The rescue ship would also have to dock with the berg, and/or you'd have to ferry from it with lifeboats. 9. The whole bloody thing could rotate at any time and flip everybody off.

      The parent is not totally out to lunch. Ships have been evacuated across stable pack ice which is flat. People have also accidently gotten caught on breakaway iceflows while icefishing, and been rescued. If the Titanic had been stranded in polar ice and started sinking, offloading passengers onto such ice and waiting for a breaker would not have been a bad idea.

  19. Insurance Scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Actually you are not that far off. There is an alternate theory that the sinking of the Titanic was an elaborate insurance scam.

    One of the most controversial[6][7] and complex theories was put forward by Robin Gardiner in his book, Titanic: The Ship That Never Sank?[8] In it, Gardiner draws on several events and coincidences that occurred in the months, days, and hours leading up to the sinking of the Titanic, and concludes that the ship that sank was in fact Titanic's sister ship Olympic, disguised as Titanic, as an insurance scam.

    Olympic was the older sister of Titanic, built alongside the more famous vessel but launched in October 1910. Her exterior profile was nearly identical to Titanic, save for small detailing such as the promenade deck windows. These were not glazed in Olympic. In Titanic, the front half of the promenade deck was fitted with smaller glazed windows to protect passengers from spray.

    On September 20, 1911, the Olympic was involved in a collision with the Royal Navy cruiser HMS Hawke near Southampton. The cruiser smashed its ram into the side of the Olympic, seriously damaging both ships. The inquiry found Hawke free of all blame. This set in motion Gardiner's theory. White Star Line was allegedly not insured for the cost of fixing the damaged Olympic (which, according to Gardiner, had damaged the central turbine's mountings and the keel). The White Star's flagship would also be out of action during any repairs, and the Titanic's completion date would have to be delayed. All this would amount to a serious financial loss for the company. Gardiner proposes that, to make sure at least one vessel would be earning money. Olympic was then converted to become the Titanic. Gardiner states that few parts of either ship bore the name, other than the easily removed lifeboats, bell, compass binnacle, and name badges. Thus, Gardiner believes the Titanic spent 25 years in service as the Olympic.

    Gardiner uses as evidence the length of Titanic's sea trials. Olympic's trials in 1910 took two days, including several high speed runs, but Titanic's trials reportedly only lasted for one day, with no working over half-speed. Gardiner says this was because the patched-up hull could not take any long periods of high speed.

    Gardiner suggests the plan was to dispose of the Olympic to collect insurance money. He supposes that the seacocks were to be opened at sea to slowly flood the ship. If numerous ships were stationed nearby to take off the passengers, the shortage of lifeboats would not matter as the ship would sink slowly and the boats could make several trips to the rescuers.

    Gardiner maintains that on April 14, Officer Murdoch was not officially on duty yet was on the bridge because he was one of the few high-ranking officers who knew of the plan and was keeping a watch out for the rescue ships. One of Gardiner's most controversial statements is that the Titanic did not strike an iceberg, but an IMM rescue ship that was drifting on station with its lights out. Gardiner based this hypothesis on the idea that the supposed iceberg was seen at such a short distance by the lookouts on the Titanic because it was actually a darkened ship, and he also does not believe an iceberg could inflict such sustained and serious damage to a steel double-hulled (sic) vessel such as the Titanic.

    Gardiner further hypothesizes that the ship that was hit by the Titanic was the one seen by the Californian firing distress rockets, and that this explains the perceived inaction of the Californian (which traditionally is seen as failing to come to the rescue of the Titanic after sighting its distress rockets). Gardiner's hypothesis is that the Californian was not expecting rockets, but a rendezvous. The ice on the deck of the Titanic is explained by Gardiner as ice from the rigging of both the Titanic and the mystery ship it hit. Researchers Bruce Beve

    1. Re:Insurance Scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look here

    2. Re:Insurance Scam by jandrese · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Like all good crazy conspiracy theories this one requires dozens (probably hundreds) of people in on the scam (in which people are killed!) and nobody ever coming forward to bust them. It's a cute read, but when you start thinking about it this plan was just way way too complex to have even gotten as far as it did.

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  20. Question about inversion by Rudolf · · Score: 1

    Regarding this statement:
    "...creating a thermal inversion with layers of cold air below layers of warmer air..."

    Isn't that normal? Cold air falls, warm air rises. What's inverted about that?

    1. Re:Question about inversion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      Actually no. Air temperature normally decreases with increasing altitude.

      Temperature inversion layers, also called thermal inversions or just inversion layers, are areas where the normal decrease in air temperature with increasing altitude is reversed and air above the ground is warmer than the air below it. Inversion layers can occur anywhere from close to ground level up to thousands of feet into the atmosphere.

      Inversion layers are significant to meteorology because they block atmospheric flow which causes the air over an area experiencing an inversion to become stable. This can then result in various types of weather patterns. More importantly though, areas with heavy pollution are prone to unhealthy air and an increase in smog when an inversion is present because they trap pollutants at ground level instead of circulating them away.

  21. There's basically one reason by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    The Titanic sank because of hubris.

    Not an uncommon problem.

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  22. Rich people are better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also they were loading lifeboats according to your travel class. First class passengers were more likely to be saved. Third class passengers had to wait their turns.

    Well, that's because you are a more worthy person if you're rich.

    More money == better person.

    The American way.

    Brings tears to my eyes.

    1. Re:Rich people are better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The American way.

      FYI, the Titanic was a British ship, with a British captain, and built in Ireland.

  23. Re:The illusion might have added to the many reaso by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Also they were loading lifeboats according to your travel class. First class passengers were more likely to be saved. Third class passengers had to wait their turns. That's why for the blockbuster Titanic they had a first class woman paired with a third class man.

    This is one of those myths that gets repeated despite not being true. The first class passengers had an advantage in that the lifeboats were located on the upper decks and thus the started physically closer to them, but no attempt was made to keep third class passengers from the lifeboats, nor where the first class passengers given preferential seating.

    And the actual best/worst survival case was second class children and second class males (in fact, the survival rater for third class males was 50% higher than for second class males).

  24. Nobody knows by Kittenman · · Score: 1

    There's an apocryphal story about a journalist who asked an Astronomer for an article on life on Mars. The Astronomer replied "Nobody knows". Not satisfied with this, the journalist hounded the expert and finally ended up sending him a prepaid telegram (those were the days!) for 2000 words on Life on Mars. The Astronomer replied "Nobody know. Nobody knows. Nobody knows. Nobody knows..." etc

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  25. The more interesting question: ... by Grismar · · Score: 1

    ... did James Cameron fund some research to get the marketing machine for Titanic 3D going?

    1. Re:The more interesting question: ... by wbr1 · · Score: 1

      No, its Titanic Versus Avatar Versus Terminator or TvAvT.

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    2. Re:The more interesting question: ... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      Well, the Titanic going 3D (namely, downwards instead of only horizontally) was exactly the problem.

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  26. Re:The illusion might have added to the many reaso by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad you were there to clear this all up for us!

  27. Re:The illusion might have added to the many reaso by demonlapin · · Score: 1

    years later it is then known that calm water indicates fields of ice

    You know, if this is true, I'm pretty sure it was figured out a loooooong time before the Titanic sank. Whalers had been operating in icy waters since the 1600s.

  28. Re:The illusion might have added to the many reaso by epine · · Score: 1

    If the ship had made it to port a day ahead of time, the captain could have participated in an ebullient quarterly shareholders' call. No one wants to be late for a photo op.

    The abnormally stratified air may also have disrupted signals sent by the Titanic by Morse Lamp to the California to no avail.

    Let's boil that down: Abnormal air disrupted (signals sent to no avail). Tragic. Seems like not such a great resume item for a Senior Chair at the Academy of Five Whys.

  29. Re:The illusion might have added to the many reaso by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

    Even without an optical illusion that ship unfortunately still sinks.

    A conjecture, not a fact. (Even though you've cleverly slipped it in at the end of a long series of facts, assumptions, myths, hyperbole, and misinformation all presented as fact in an attempt to pass it off as a fact.)

  30. The idea is interesting but... by nonguru · · Score: 1

    Considering the fact that the Titantic was the only modern ship of the era to actually hit an iceberg while every other vessel managed just nicely in the north Atlantic, I think simplest explanations are best. There have been some articles to suggest that it was a misunderstood navigation order where the vessel turned into the path of the iceberg before trying to turn away again. Human error.... (Think Concordia switching off it's GPS systems, ignoring navigation waypoints and sailing off course to close to shore as possible.)

    1. Re:The idea is interesting but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many ships have hit an iceberg, and many have sunk because of this. For instance, a few days before the Titanic, and not far from where she came to grief, a ship called the Niagara hit an iceberg head on, but she managed to make it into port. If you do a search, you'll find other examples. And these are just the ones we know about. There are many stories of ships heading out into icy regions and were never seen again.

  31. Re:The illusion might have added to the many reaso by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've also read from other accounts that the reason so many lifeboats were set afloat half full was because so few people, including those loading the lifeboats, understood the situation. They were under the impression that the Titanic was only partially disabled and that they were all going to be transferred to another ship when it arrived in a matter of hours. Not too many people were keen on getting into a little open craft on the open water exposed to the freezing air just to wait for that other ship when they could stay onboard the Titanic and enjoy the amenities until the lines died down.

  32. Answer: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Q: Did the Titanic Sink Due To an Optical Illusion?
    A: No.
    easy wasn't it.
    next question, vi or Emacs ?

  33. Meh by spaceplanesfan · · Score: 0

    Its still doesn't explain why did the Itanic sunk.

  34. Maybe was case 4 captain of italian ship concordia by youn · · Score: 1

    lol... not... but he definitely would like to claim it was the case at this point :p

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  35. In Harm's Way by Latent+Heat · · Score: 2
    I am basing this on the John Wayne-Kirk Douglas-Patricia Neal movie In Harm's Way along with Tom Clancy's Red October, so you know this is authoritative. And Star Trek The Wrath of Khan.

    I was under the impression that a Navy Captain sometimes had to order one or more compartments sealed with sailors still inside. The idea is that you sacrifice some of your men to save the ship and the remaining crew. Do I have this wrong?

    1. Re:In Harm's Way by macslut · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well there's that and only 2 other things that make up every submarine movie ever made.

      Spoiler alert: here are all 3:
      1) Sealing of bulkheads with "good" men on the other side. Order must be given with a followup command, "dammit, I know there are good men in there, I'm thinking about all the other good men aboard my ship!"

      2) Going deeper than the sub was designed for. Order must be given with a followup command, "I know what the engineers designed her for, I'm telling you she can take it!" Also, the command, "come on baby" must be given at each increment on the depth meter until it maxes out.

      3) All silent. The sub turns everything off, except the red light. The sounds of the ships circling overhead are broadcast through the sub. This always works despite the resident onboard cat always knocking over the stack of pots and pans in the galley.

      Take the above and add the following accent for the movie:
      Russian accent: Hunt for Red October
      German accent: Das Boot
      American accent: Crimson Tide

    2. Re:In Harm's Way by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You have forgotten the submarine having to suddenly dive, leaving crewmen desperately banging on the coning tower hatch as the ship slides beneath the waves, although I suppose that's sort of a variation on 1).

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    3. Re:In Harm's Way by tqk · · Score: 1

      You have forgotten the submarine having to suddenly dive, leaving crewmen desperately banging on the [conning] tower hatch ...

      ... and perspiration drizzling down the 1st officer's face. And the captain is nonchalantly reading a book, but holding it upside down.

      And the splash as depth charges enter on the surface, and the sound of the hedgehogs firing.

      And the creak of the hull as it's being crushed, and the pipes bursting letting water pour in. And the glass on guages shattering.

      And the pretty blonde chick squealing in horror (she's a biologist or something, and everyone hates that there's even a woman on board).

      And just as the boat returns from a successful mission, the !@#$ing typhoons show up laying waste to everything. Oh, you got that one (Das Boot).

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    4. Re:In Harm's Way by tqk · · Score: 1

      You have forgotten the submarine having to suddenly dive, leaving crewmen desperately banging on the [conning] tower hatch ...

      I can't believe I forgot to mention /bin/ping. :-O

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  36. Re:The illusion might have added to the many reaso by ryanov · · Score: 1

    I believe it was Seconds from Disaster on National Geographic that said they looked into this and that binoculars are not a significant help under those conditions. It's not that easy to scan the horizon with them, apparently. That said, they did have them but were apparently locked up somewhere in the boat and no one had seen them since Southampton.

  37. Shoddy construction by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    Shoddy construction caused it to sink. Optical illusions may have hampered the rescue efforts, but it was dark - the other ship could not approach in the dark. There was no RADAR or night vision systems in those days.

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  38. It's actually an optical illusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was just about to take these back... back to the pants store.

  39. Re:The illusion might have added to the many reaso by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not that I'm an expert here or anything, but I've heard / read the following additional factors.
    1) The wheelhouse on the ship had both a tiller and a big round wheel. Move the tiller to the right, the ship goes left. Move the wheel to the left, the ship goes left. When the order was given to turn the ship left, the attendant panicked and turned the wheel the wrong way! Then corrected the movement. That wasted precious time.
    2) The order was given to reverse engines. There are 3 propellers. The 2 outside propellers could go both forward and reverse. The center propeller could only go forward. So the reverse order stopped the center propeller dead. There is only one rudder right behind the center propeller. The water flow over the rudder was reduced by the center propeller having stopped. That made the ship turn slower.

  40. Allow me to add more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was writing my own book on the Titanic and the Californian (the infamous ship that saw the Titanic and her distress rockets and did practically nothing to offer assistance), I came across a report written in 1961 by Captain Quick of the UK Board of Trade technical department. It mentioned the possibility that super-refraction had existed that night and had allowed the two ships to see each other "over the horizon" due to the bending of light rays caused by warmer areas of air mixing with colder areas. I mention this in my book, but I don't go into it in any great depth, as I feel that you don't need to invoke super refraction to explain what was seen and done that night. Simple analysis of witnesses reports and an appreciation for the current affecting ship's navigation will suffice. Incidentally, my book (quick plug) is here and my own Titanic pages are here

  41. Re:The illusion might have added to the many reaso by fnj · · Score: 1

    A U-boat lookout who failed to use his binoculars because "it's not that easy to scan the horizon with them" would have been chewed out, beat senseless, keel hauled, and thrown off the boat, in that order. Same with any lookout on any warship.

    I.e., it's complete nonsense.

  42. research indicates it was "brittle" steel... by lokispundit · · Score: 1
    from

    http://titanicarchive-online.com/index.php4?page=319

    Researchers from the National Institute for Standards and Technology and John Hopkins University favor the weak rivet theory. They found that most of the rivets recovered from RMS Titanic also contained excessive amounts of slag that made them more brittle, and therefore, more likely to snap off at the head upon impact with the iceberg. Their analyses of steel hull plate indicated, however, that "it is possible that brittle steel contributed to the damage at the bow due to the impact with the iceberg, but much more likely that the brittle steel was a factor in the breakup of the ship at the surface" (Foecke 1998:14).

    After reviewing and debating the results from these investigations, the Marine Forensics Panel (SD-7) in a 1997 report to the Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers concluded that the cause of sinking was in large part due to the failure of the rivets that fastened together its hull. Metallurgical analyses are continuing at the National Institute of Standards and Technology and John Hopkins University. The results of these additional analyses may shed better light on the influence of steel and rivets on the sinking of RMS Titanic during that dark night of April 14, 1912.

    **disclaimer my Dad was a contributing engineer on the project....

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  43. Re:so? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    It was sunk by time travelling Nazis in flying saucers with heat rays. I thought everyone knew that.

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  44. Wow ... by NoSalt · · Score: 0

    Talk about "destined to sink". It seems that there were so many factors against poor Titanic, that it was going to sink no matter what.

  45. Re:The illusion might have added to the many reaso by ryanov · · Score: 1

    It is not the same thing. I suspect warships are using binoculars to identify foreign objects. Identification was not needed on Titanic -- it didn't matter what it was, they shouldn't have been slamming into it. I can't find anything specific and detailed online, but I've heard a number of times that generally you look with your eyes and then take out the binoculars to look at something you've already seen. Another factor I've heard is that with the temperature and wind, eyes would have been tearing up making it harder to spot something anyway.

  46. Captain made wrong decision to avoid the iceberg. by scharkalvin · · Score: 2

    The Captain (or whoever was manning the bridge at the time) made the wrong decision on how to avoid the iceberg. They tried to steer around the iceberg and also slowed and then reversed the engines to reduce speed. This probably doomed the ship. A ship as large as the Titanic cannot "turn on a dime" and the slow water movement over the rudder at reduced speed destroyed it's ability to turn the ship. Even worse, reversing the engines caused the water to cavitate around the rudder reducing it's effect even more. Had they ordered "Full Speed Ahead" the rudder would have been more effective and the ship might have been able to steer clear of the iceberg before it hit.

  47. A plain and simple No! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Titanic did not sink due to an optical illusion. It sank due to a collision with an iceberg.

  48. RE: Illusion (Post by Maritime Historian) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After reading this I have to say I never head of anything like this and I have spent over 14 years studying the "Olympic-Class Ships" (Olympic, Titanic and Britannic). I have gone through information with a fine tooth comb, so to speak, including weather reports. The reason the lookouts didn't see the iceberg in time is because it was a rare black/blue berg they do not reflect any light, what is called "ice blink" If this "historian" knows anything about icebergs, he would have known that fact. It is important to have a science background in geophysics to understand how glacial activity and iceberg calving occurs and how icebergs moved further south into the shipping lanes in 1912. Since I have studied Atmospherics, there "might" have been a possibility for refraction on the horizon. It can not be said with a great deal of certainty this is what caused the disaster. The lookouts saw the haze shortly before sighting the iceberg, due to Titanic's high rate of speed and the order given to put the ship in reverse after the hard a starboard order, this cut the power to center turbine and the forceful water flow to the rudder and therefore, inhibited her ability to turn efficiently. If they would have done just the hard a starboard order, there is a good possibility the ship could have cleared the iceberg. A ship can turn faster with the greater forward momentum. By cutting the water flow to the turbine, made it difficult for the ship to turn and this is why she could only turn 20 degrees to port.
    I am sorry, but as a Maritime Historian, that has spent so much time working with Titanic and her sister ships, I cannot accept this theory as fact. It is simply someones theory and that is all. I want facts that is what I work with. This will be very difficult to prove as a fact as a factor in the disaster.

    Julianne Annemarie Troutman
    Maritime Historian

  49. Re:The illusion might have added to the many reaso by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

    That's like saying the USS Enterprise is just a good copy of the USS Constitution, Galaxy and Sovereign for which those starship classes were named, when we all know it's the *second* ship in each of those classes that's worth following around with a a film crew and documenting everything.

  50. Re:The illusion might have added to the many reaso by camperdave · · Score: 1

    You can't be keel hauled without being thrown off the boat.

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  51. The ship was going too fast for the conditions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am quite sure that the effects and causes of super-refraction and the likelihood of calm seas in those northern waters indicating the near presence of ice were both well known to trained mariners in those days. The ship appears quite simply to have been travelling too fast for the conditions. We can only hypothesize why.

  52. Re: Illusion (Post by Maritime Historian) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry but you should do a bit more research. Read the testimony given at the inquiries and you will see that black/blue bergs are very rare. Only one captain who gave testimony ever saw one. If the iceberg was so dark, why did the quartermaster at the stern say that the berg was white, not dark, as it slipped by him? The originator of the blue/dark berg theory was 2nd Officer Lightoller, and his testimony reads a lot like someone who was protecting his employers from potential litigation.

    Have you read the Marine Accident Investigation Branch report from 1992/3 in which they mention the super refraction theory? If not, why didn't you pick up on it your 14 years of superlative research?

    I wouldn't use the "haze" as an excuse. No one saw it but the lookouts, and even then they were dismissive of it. Reg Lee said the haze was bad, and said his companion, Fred Fleet (who saw the iceberg) had uttered "If we can see through that we'll be lucky."
    Fleet denied saying this, and said the haze wasn't too bad. The British Inquiry said that the haze was just an excuse to explain why the iceberg wasn't seen till so late.

    Consider this: a crewman by the name of Olliver was stationed between funnels two and three when he heard the look-out's bell ring. He then walked to the bridge and was just in time to see the iceberg head astern. From looking at the layout of the ship, it would have taken 60 seconds to walk that far. That means that from the time of the warning bell to the time the iceberg was level with the iceberg (where Olliver saw it), the iceberg was 2280 feet away, given that the ship was travelling at 22.5 knots. That is sufficiently far enough away for the ship to have taken evasive action. And yet it wasn't. Why?

  53. Re:Captain made wrong decision to avoid the iceber by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's hard to take someone seriously when they don't know the difference between it's and its.

  54. The stupid captain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The captain of the Titanic had a "habit" of drinking too much and running ships aground. He typically captained cargo ships which is why they didn't get so much notoriety. He was due for retirement, but was given an honor to captain "the unsinkable" for his last go.

    He was a lot like the recent Italian cruise ship Captain, although he at least had a lot more honor than that guy. He went down with the ship.

    Thus endeth the history lesson.