Microsoft Seeks Patent For "Search By Sketch"
theodp writes "So, how does one search for images that aren't tagged with keywords? Google does offer its sometimes-spotty search by image, but what if you don't have an image handy that looks like what you're searching for? Microsoft, reports GeekWire, offers a solution that's 'a little like playing Pictionary with a search engine — drawing a sketch and seeing if the algorithm can return pictures that match it.' That's the concept behind Microsoft Research's patent-pending 'MindFinder' project, which has already been incorporated into a Windows Phone app called Sketch Match. A patent application made public Thursday notes that touch computing makes sketching easier than ever, making one wonder if we'll be 'giving Bing the finger' with Windows 8!"
Could they make it work for the 5% of sketches that aren't boobs or dongs?
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...don't most smartphones have cameras already? Wouldn't it be faster and easier for the user to just take a photo of whatever he/she wants to identify or search? (Of course, if they don't have a photo of the object available at the time, then this idea would make more sense.)
Microsoft, once more, is one the very large corporations that still think they can base their business, in the 21st century, on patents. I wonder how long it is ( yet ) going to taken before corporations of this size realize that such practice is old-fashioned ?
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Already done here for LaTex symbols: http://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html
Please please please don't approve the patent. I haven't read it, but according to the summary there's nothing new about it.
As long as it works: Never.
Oh please [sketch sketch] let there be porn like this [scribble]
That functionality was integrated a few years back into digikam.
How can those corporations always get away with patenting stuff under prior art?
And several other "search by sketch" technologies I've seen in the last decade or so...
What's the big claim in the patent that differentiates it?
Hopefully sketchers will be more accurate than hummers or whistlers -- a la Midomi.com. But I doubt it -- can't wait to see if this survives beta.
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I remember seeing a research paper over 12 years ago describing exactly this concept.
I oppose software patents in general, but if this patent covers their specific algorithm I don't really have a problem with that.
The trouble is that regardless of whatever algorithm they describe in the patent, the patent can be used to sue others who use a different algorithm to implement the same concept.
So they can get a patent on an ineffective algorithm for image search, wait for somebody else to create a better algorithm that is actually effective, then sue the implementor of the better algorithm. The patent effectively covers the concept, not the algorithm, hindering innovation by preventing others from implementing their own different algorithms for the same concept.
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The source article links to a page on the windows phone marketplace where it claims to be linking to details about the actual patent. Does anyone have a link to that?
Rtriever has been doing exactly the same thing since 2006. http://labs.systemone.at/retrievr/
Is this serious or a really stupid joke? Obviously "Safe Search" options already exist. Also obvious, it's never a good idea to search for anything of visit webpages you've never been to before in front of 400 other people. Neither of these things are new, and "Search by Sketch" changes neither of them. For the record, you hit porn on page 2 on Google Image Search for "Wrench or bracket" if Safe Search is off. So far, I've yet to find a search term that doesn't produce porn on page 2 or earlier if Safe Search is off.
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I remember IBM DB2 ads from the 90s about, well, sketch-based DB searches. IBM called it "Query by Image Content", or QBIC. It was easy to find one using Google Books -- in this case, CIO Magazine, Sept. 1, 1995: http://books.google.com/books?id=AAcAAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA25&ots=GGDbllo74W&dq=ibm%20db2%20ad%20bottle%20%22perfect%22&pg=PA24#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Patent is invalid if there is prior art. Well, imgSeek has had that function since at least 2008 (can't find changelog for desktop version - it might have been there already in 2006).
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some weird application that appears while ago where you could draw a "shape" and name it - i.e. "Car" and then somewhere else on teh canvas you'd do "sun", "cloud" etc....
Once you'd done it it'd attempt to search and find images to make up your "master" image.
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This is probably not as simple as Microsoft trying to patent something which has already been done before. You may want to check out some of the actual research they have done here: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/mindfinder/ I seriously doubt that they are not familiar with all of the prior art examples that have been brought up here, and they would not have spent the money on a patent if they did not think they had improved on the existing methods sufficiently for it to stand up to even basic scrutiny.
Now all you guys claiming prior art, please, send it to the USPO so they can at least ignore it publically instead of what they usually do, ignore by default. Even better, contact the people in this article from Slate "Stamping out patent trolls" and they, Article One Partners,will take it from there. It is one thing for us to think the King has no clothes, or whisper it behind "closed doors" to friends, it is another to shout it out in public or to proper authorities so either action is taken, or you discover the public doesn't really care.
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it used to be that they added "on the internet", now they add "on a mobile phone", looks like this one adds "with fingers on a mobile phone"
Common misunderstanding, but no. This came up because many patent applications have dependent claims that may say things like "2. The method of claim 1, wherein the network is the Internet" but that's not independently claiming the Internet... Or even claiming that novelty is due to 'the internet'. Rather, it's a doctrine called claim differentiation: dependent claims are subsets of the independent claims from which they depend from. Like, if Claim 1 is a large box on a Venn diagram, then Claim 2 would be a circle within that box. So, when Claim 2 says "wherein the network is the Internet," all that means is that the 'network' of Claim 1 must be broader, and include both the Internet and any other type of network.
But, for claim 2 to be patentable, claim 1 has to be patentable. And adding "on the internet" doesn't actually make claim 1 patentable... rather, claim 1 must already have enough new and nonobvious elements to be patentable on its own.
So, this misunderstanding about claim differentiation also meshed with a misunderstanding of patent titles and abstracts... They have no legal weight, the only important part is the claims, but people look at the title and say, for example, "'a network operating system'? Networks are known! Operating Systems are known! This is a bullshiat patent!" Add that to a claim saying "wherein the network is the Internet" and suddenly it looks as if someone was trying to patent an operating system... but on the internet! But no, that's simply not true at all.
In summary, there are no patents that claim "A method, comprising [X, Y, Z] on the Internet" where X, Y, and Z are all known and the only claimed novelty is 'on the internet'.
There are already dozens if not hundreds of patents in this same area.
https://www.google.com/search?q=sketch+image+search&btnG=Search+Patents&tbm=pts&tbo=1&hl=en
1. Lesson Plan
2. Prepare before going into the classroom
Seriously, if you are planning your lecture while doing it, you're doing a huge disservice to your students. That's not to say that open discourse and exploratory learning aren't good in the classroom, this can be great - let the discussion go where the students take it. But on the technology/course material side, I would be very concerned with adding material to my class at the last minute. What happens if that image/movie/website that you were counting on weren't there? What if your connectivity tanks when you wanted it? What if you get that huge phallus instead of the ICBM that you were looking for? I download anything that I want to use ahead of time.
If you are doing this last minute, to me that demonstrates that you are not taking your planning/prep seriously (or that you are lazy), and that you are putting your laziness ahead of the learning of your students. They (the students) deserve better than that.
Now that I've nibbled at the troll-bait, I think this is seriously off course - search by sketch, search by term, they all have the same possibilities to return content that someone out there may find offensive. So I fail to see how this is any different. That's the glory & risk of the Internet - use at your own risk.
Supposedly this patent is from 2010..
but according to this article "[Search by sketch] was mentioned in years 2007, 2010 and sometime in the late 90s"
if that is the case then there should be enough prior art to invalidate the patent for this concept
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Everyone's commenting on whether this is patentable or not, but I'd be interested in discussing whether it is useful or not. Outside of some very narrow use cases (recognizing letters/symbols or maybe chemical structures?), will people actually find this useful? When we know the name of something, it seems easier to type that in (or speak it) instead of trying to sketch it. When we don't know the name... hmm, well it still seems easier to type in related words instead of trying to draw a sketch. :-\
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This patent application is rubbish. I implemented this myself nine years ago as a portfolio piece while I was interviewing at Google. And I did it based on a 1992 Siggraph paper.
These silly clowns. I expect this article will quickly fill with examples of prior art. Here's another one:
Looks at digiKam.
Looks at patent application.
Looks back at digiKam.
Folds arms.
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They had a more nuanced idea, the ability to take a scientific formula scribbled somewhere and understand/translate it, but essentially it was the same. They basically substituted f of x for a bicycle.
Almost any keyword is bound to show at least two naked women in the first couple of pages. We tried with the oddest of keywords at my last job, and 9 out of 10 times, this was true... so there's nothing new here.
I wrote a search-by-sketch app in 2003 as a portfolio piece when I was interviewing with Google. And I based it on a 1992 Siggraph paper. So whatever Microsoft has patented, it had better be more specific than "search by sketch".