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Apple Wins Patent For "iWallet"

redletterdave writes "Apple won a major patent for its 'iWallet' technology, which is a digital system that uses near-field communication (NFC) technology to complete credit card transactions and manage subsidiary financial accounts directly on your iPhone. On the home screen for iWallet, users can see their entire credit card profiles, statements, messages from their banks, and even adjust preferences or add additional cards. Within preferences, users can schedule credit card payments and set parental controls on their children, which allows kids to use their iPhones as wallets but limits the extent to which they can use it. Users can track their payments and statements within the iTunes billing system, which keeps the credit card information safe and secure."

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  1. lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Once again, another lame patent blocking innovation

    1. Re:lame by dimeglio · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Doesn't sound like it. They just patented "a way" of using NFC. Should be simple enough to find another way.

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    2. Re:lame by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Funny

      They just patented "a way" of using NFC.

      To extract more money from everybody's wallets.

      It's the Apple way.

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    3. Re:lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, it seems the way the patent system works, you build a different kind of mousetrap, then sue anyone that attempts to build any superficially similar device, mousetrap or not.

  2. Great..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I can lose my phone, camera, AND my wallet in one fell swoop?!?!?!?!?!

    Whats next... iPhone car keys?

    1. Re:Great..... by MosX · · Score: 2

      Losing this would generally be safer than using your wallet (when it comes to someone less than honorable finding it) if you have a decent pin/passcode on your phone.

    2. Re:Great..... by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 2

      I think the point is the double-edged-sword of integrating everything in to a single device. Even if your accounts are safe, leaving your wallet on the counter would also mean losing things that you would never normally have removed from your pocket/bag in the first place.

    3. Re:Great..... by evilRhino · · Score: 2

      I would imagine that the iWallet could be remotely revoked.

    4. Re:Great..... by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would imagine that the iWallet could be remotely revoked.

      Sure. Say you reach for your iWallet to buy a coffee and realize that you left it at the news stand 10 minutes earlier. Fortunately, you have the ability to remotely disable access to your accounts. So, you just pull out your smart phone and. . .ruh-roh!

      Meanwhile, the clerk at the news stand sees that your iWallet has been left behind. Being an honest sort, he decides to try to reunite the device with its owner by calling. . .ruh-roh!

    5. Re:Great..... by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      iWallet making life simpler for iMuggers. Losing you wallet ain't the problem having your tender fragile body at the same remote location as access to all your accounts is the problem. "The iWallet would certainly be a "killer app" on the iPhone 5" I mean they don't even stop to think how that could literally be true.

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  3. More like iExtortion by bit+trollent · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Google has had an electronic NFC based wallet in the market for almost a year now.

    I assume now that Apple has patented a technology that Google developed, they will extort Google to pay them for them for writing software hadn't even developed yet.

    At least now that Steve Jobs is dead, Apple is willing to license patents to Google instead of just trying to sue them into extinction.

    Somebody should congratulate Apple on becoming more evil than Microsoft.

    1. Re:More like iExtortion by Goose+In+Orbit · · Score: 2

      Add Barclaycard (and thus Visa) into the mix... who have had payment by contactless cards far years... ...I wonder how Apple would manage if Visa threatened to stop taking their transactions?

      (Won't happen... but an interesting side thought...)

    2. Re:More like iExtortion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The ridiculous part here is that Japan has been using the same technology for HOW MANY years now?

    3. Re:More like iExtortion by Microlith · · Score: 2

      No, they'll just attack all the Android handset vendors if they dare offer anything in terms of configuration options that are obvious given the problem set.

    4. Re:More like iExtortion by foradoxium · · Score: 2

      1984

    5. Re:More like iExtortion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh fuck that noise. Just because a game is flawed doesn't mean everyone has to exploit it.

    6. Re:More like iExtortion by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why would you even play a game you hate?

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    7. Re:More like iExtortion by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      If your Barclaycard has an exploit and someone uses it to steal your money, Visa will give it all back in a heart beat. Someone hacks your iPhone.. good luck...

    8. Re:More like iExtortion by siddesu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Quite a while: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FeliCa. I broke two laptops with a built-in card reader extension already, so at least 5 years.

    9. Re:More like iExtortion by cjcela · · Score: 2

      Why has the parent been downvoted? He is right. Using the cell phone to pay has been something commonplace in many Asian countries for the last 10-15 years... I do not know what Apple patent is about, but they certainly did not come up with the original idea.

    10. Re:More like iExtortion by Raenex · · Score: 2

      Before the "walled garden" thing they were always about proprietary and expensive computers. Apple love/hate has gone through cycles on Slashdot.

      These days Apple is the poster child for abusive Chinese labor practices.

    11. Re:More like iExtortion by russotto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why would you even play a game you hate?

      Because it's the only game in town.

  4. Another one bites the dust by Chemisor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Great. Here's another technology that nobody will be allowed to use for the next 20 years.

    1. Re:Another one bites the dust by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nice grammar. Also, there were literally dozens of different music players before the iPod, so nice analogy fail.

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  5. Apple, anti-competition master. by Microlith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And if you've ever wondered why Japan and Europe have had things like this for ages but we're just now seeing a glimmer of it here, it's because of stuff like this. No one ever gets ahead without someone tossing a landmine in your path and asking for their pound of flesh.

    I see that the site actually useful for linking, Patently Apple, is getting their monopoly fetish on. From the sounds of things, they've managed to patent the entire concept out from under everyone else. They've managed to claim ownership over the concept of configuring accounts and placing various transaction rules on them.

    So no one else can do that without Apple attacking them. I can't wait to have the entirety of NFC payments reserved exclusively to Apple devices, or Apple demanding exorbitant per-device fees for the ability to do so.

    1. Re:Apple, anti-competition master. by Microlith · · Score: 4, Informative

      Americans are slow to pick up this kind of technology. It's been a problem for decades and it has nothing to do with patents.

      Except that no NFC hardware has been on the market here for the better part of a decade, while it's been steadily rolled out and available elsewhere. The technology has, quite simply, not been available.

      Do you think Europe and Japan don't have patents? or that they are irrelevant?

      At least in Europe, software patents aren't valid. And in Japan, they seem to not have nearly the problems we do in the US with building and rolling out systems that are widely compatible between companies and regions. Here in the US a purely software pile of BS will block other vendors from distributing anything useful and open up everyone to legal assault, and deliberate incompatibilities and everyone demanding their own transaction fee and associated charge and alliance or it fails to work readily inhibits the adoption of new technologies and other customer-beneficial options.

    2. Re:Apple, anti-competition master. by Kagetsuki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Posting because I tried to mod you "informative" but accidentally hit "redundant". Sorry.

      But yes, THIS. The origin of the technology is "FeliCa" which started development in 1988 and was released in 1994. At this point here in Japan I have my train pass and cash on my phone and IC based systems are used in so many places now I could basically get by with nothing but my phone and drivers license.

  6. New disorder by WillyWanker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    iDisgust

    A severe form of dyspepsia triggered by any mention of the tech company Apple, particularly in regard to their wanton abuse of the patent and legal systems.

    1. Re:New disorder by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I normally wouldn't reply to an AC, but this pissed me off.

      This is exactly the type of thing Apple would brainwash you into believing: that people aren't sick of their shit.

      Welcome to reality. Step outside the distortion field for one second and you'll see how truly asinine and annoying it is when Apple, Google, MS, or any of those tech giants squash advancement for another, purely out of greed. Lately, Apple has been by far the worst. They reach out and patent technologies that other companies are well into developing, which they probably would have already had patents for - except they are normal, rational people who don't think someone is going to patent such a broad-sweeping commonplace item.

      Nobody in their right mind would go after a 'slide to unlock' patent, the words 'AppStore', or patenting RFID(basically) all over again. There has been a slide-lock device somewhere on my house since I was born 30 years ago. I have no doubt there is a patent somewhere for the hardware version, and it has been around for at least a hundred years. How's that for prior art? RFID has been around since at least the late 1980s.

      I'm surprised it is allowed to continue as it is completely anticompetitive to patent such vague concepts without any actual R&D and with (literally) tons of prior art.

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    2. Re:New disorder by Dog-Cow · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem is that you don't understand the US patent system. It's perfectly valid to patent the same idea, as long as it's a new implementation. That you have a physical sliding lock on your door is completely irrelevant to the ability to patent a software version. Once you accept the idea of software patents, it's trivial to see that slide-to-unlock on the iphone can not possibly have the same implementation as the lock on your door.

  7. No, they patented a system of NFC spending rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2012/03/apple-wins-patent-for-iwallet-the-one-that-will-rule-the-world.html

    "Apple has received a major Granted Patent that generally relates to establishing financial transaction rules for controlling a subsidiary financial account and, more particularly, to various systems, methods, and electronic devices configured to provide for the establishment of such rules."

    The rules basically come down to setting one account as a subsidiary of another, and the parent account then setting a system of spending rules and limits that apply to the subsidiary account. Optionally that these rules are transmitted to the bank as well, and applied generally outside of using the NFC as well.

  8. That is complete BS! by warp_kez · · Score: 3, Funny

    The iWallet has been around for some time, long before NFE was even thought of.

    I have an iWallet, and I have had it for 20 years - I hold it out, and the wife, kid, and merchants take what they need/want.

  9. Re:The core problem with the digital wallet... by jo_ham · · Score: 5, Insightful

    *loses wallet*
    "Hello [$Bank]? Yes, I lost my wallet, can you cancel my card and send me a new one? A few days and it will arrive in the mail? Excellent!"

    *loses phone*
    *logs into Apple ID from any computer*
    *cancels card link to lost/stolen phone*
    *connects card to new phone*
    *continues life as normal, with minimum disruption to card access*

    This doesn't even need to be about Apple - NFC payments and "electronic wallets" are the future

  10. Yeah, sure. by Cosgrach · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Users can track their payments and statements within the iTunes billing system, which keeps the credit card information safe and secure."

    Are you stupid enough to believe that statement about it being 'safe and secure"? If so, I have a bridge that I'd like to sell you.

    The only sure fire way to keep such information safe and secure is to not have a credit card to begin with.

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    1. Re:Yeah, sure. by Billlagr · · Score: 2

      Handing over credit card details to a 3rd party simply for convenience sake seems like lunacy - but multiple account details? While iTunes hasn't been hacked, it doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. Having so much financial information stored there just seems like it makes it an even more appealing target. And I would think that various hacker groups would be salivating over the chance to find an exploit in the iPhone side of things - again, it may not have happened yet, but this seems like a big incentive for it to be worked on.

  11. Re:The core problem with the digital wallet... by mark-t · · Score: 2

    Spending a week proving you exist is often a whole lot easier than coming up with an additional two-hundred or more dollars that it will cost you to buy a new iPhone while you are still trying to accomplish said feat.

    If you lose your CC, you call up the CC company and they cancel the card and mail you a new one. If your phone *IS* your CC, then this becomes something of a catch 22... not to mention it's unlikely that your CC company will send you a new iPhone at no cost, unlike how cheaply they will send you a replacement CC in the mail.

  12. Don't load real credit card number into iWallet by perpenso · · Score: 2

    OK, there is an issue that has to be overcome, I'll get to that in a moment.

    Rather than load a real credit card number into an "iWallet" use a temporary generated by your bank's online banking service. These temporaries, alias for the real card number, often have a user defined limit and expiration date so you can limit the risk as you deem appropriate.

    The issue to overcome: these temporary numbers were designed to be used for online purchases. They tend to lock to the first vendor to use the number. Obviously this locking to the first vendor would have to become a user defined option at number generation time.

    A more practical short term solution may be to use the debit card number for your checking account. Just be sure to only use iWallet for things you would normally pay for in cash and not for things you want the buyer protection, warranty and dispute options you would normally get with a credit card.

    1. Re:Don't load real credit card number into iWallet by bluemonq · · Score: 2

      "A more practical short term solution may be to use the debit card number for your checking account."

      That's a fantastically terrible idea. There's a lot of fewer protections if you debit card info gets swiped than for credit cards. You might as well use a prepaid cash card so that the only money you lose is whatever was on the card, and that's assuming you aren't able to revoke it.

  13. Obvious + "on a mobile device" by JobyOne · · Score: 2

    Second time today I've seen a story on /. about a patent that's just an obvious/existing concept basically with just "on a mobile device" or "across a network" added to it.

    Using a radio transceiver to communicate with another radio transceiver? Not novel in the slightest.
    Using NFC for payments? Not novel in the slightest, see the decade or so of prior art all across the world.
    Consolidating the physical content of cards? Also not novel. For years people have been photocopying the barcodes of loyalty cards and taping them together to make single cards with all the barcodes on them. And believe you me: if the technology to do the same with NFC and magnetic strips were as accessible as copy machines they would do that too, because it's obvious as hell.
    Parental controls on payments? You've gotta be kidding me if you think that's novel.

    But take those four non-novel, extremely obvious ideas and slap "on a mobile phone" in there somewhere and suddenly you're Leonardo da fucking Vinci.

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  14. Re:And Apple is just copying Nokia by Swampash · · Score: 2

    Did you actually read the article so you you'd, you know, have an idea what Apple has actually patented?

    (Hint: not something Nokia has been doing for a decade)

  15. Re:Just one thing. . . by mark-t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Look at this way.

    iPhone = Luxury item. Expensive.

    Wallet = Necessary item. Cheap to replace.

    If you combine them into one thing, you end up with a necessary item that costs a lot to replace. This is not a good thing.