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Canadian Charges Against US Manga Reader Dropped

tverbeek writes "The U.S.-based Comic Book Legal Defense Fund and the Canada-based Comic Legends Legal Defense Fund have announced that the Canadian government has withdrawn all criminal charges in R. v. Matheson, a case which involved a U.S. citizen who was arrested and faced criminal charges in Canada relating to manga found on his computer when he entered the country. Customs agents declared the illustrations of fictional characters to be 'child pornography.' The defendant, a 27-year-old comic book reader, amateur artist, and computer programmer, has been cleared of any criminal wrongdoing. Despite financial assistance from the CBLDF and CLLDF, he has an outstanding debt of $45K for his defense."

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  1. Drop charges == pay? by MobyDisk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you drop charges from the case then you should pay the legal fees for the defense. Or is this up to the judge?

    1. Re:Drop charges == pay? by ClioCJS · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That might encourage people to never stop/drop, though, like SCO. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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    2. Re:Drop charges == pay? by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      sco wasn't a _criminal_ case.

      criminal cases ie. public prosecution vs. a private person with criminal charges, of course the state should pay when it loses. but the state didn't lose, it withdrew. like if coppers showed up at your house, intimidated you that they're going to take you to court for things xyz, then you go to a lawyer and ask if there's any merit and the lawyer says no and then the cops don't proceed further to do anything.

      I guess it's in this case the state didn't pay because the prosecution dropped the case..? doesn't make much sense, but plausable.. if they withdrew and it never went to court then a judge didn't decide anything on the case, didn't find the prosecution to pay for damages/costs.. pretty fucked up though, he should sue the state.

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    3. Re:Drop charges == pay? by sjames · · Score: 2

      More like the cops kick your door in, break all your stuff and pile it up in the yard, rip your house down and then after finding nothing of interest "magnanimously" offer to not haul you off anyway and shoot your dog so long as you "agree" that they don't owe you any damages.

    4. Re:Drop charges == pay? by sjames · · Score: 5, Interesting

      How about if you drop charges you pay for the defense to date (and a reasonable compensation for any jail time or lost opportunities) but if you prosecute and fail you pay triple. Just to make sure there's no dirty dealing, if you manage through misconduct to get a conviction you shouldn't have, you get to do the time yourself.

    5. Re:Drop charges == pay? by sjames · · Score: 2

      If the prosecutor has so little care for justice or the taxpayer, perhaps Mr. Taxpayer should run him out of town.

  2. Be falsely accused, become poor by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Legal systems aren't any fun to ever get involved with.

    1. Re:Be falsely accused, become poor by tverbeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We actually have universal law coverage in the US, Canada, and other countries (at least for criminal charges). It's called a "court-appointed attorney", and it's generally the quality of legal care that you would get by going to a free clinic. It may be adequate if all you have is a throat infection or a laceration on your arm, but pretty much worthless for treatment of your pancreatic cancer.

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    2. Re:Be falsely accused, become poor by NormalVisual · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's called a "court-appointed attorney", and it's generally the quality of legal care that you would get by going to a free clinic.

      In most places in the US, if you have assets of any kind (car, etc.) or even just have a job, you're likely to be denied a court-appointed attorney.

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    3. Re:Be falsely accused, become poor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      1.You get much better service at a free clinic than from the public defender.
      2. If you work full-time and make $8 per hour you are too rich to qualify for the public defender.
      (In the state of Minnesota at least.)

    4. Re:Be falsely accused, become poor by boef · · Score: 2

      Well, I sure as fuck won't play Hangman in Canada. They'll probably charge you with murder (or some weird sex fetish if the stick drawing looks underage...)

  3. Justice for those who can afford it. by Ultra64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    gee, only $45,000 in debt

    1. Re:Justice for those who can afford it. by citab · · Score: 5, Insightful

      who says he could afford it? he didn't have a choice but to defend himself.

    2. Re:Justice for those who can afford it. by tmosley · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't you know that you are supposed to roll over when the government tells you to?

      You must be a TERRORIST!

    3. Re:Justice for those who can afford it. by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Informative

      The actual cost of his defense was $75K. The other $30K was paid by the two legal defense funds.

      The defendant's personal statement about the case is worth reading: rather chilling: http://cbldf.org/homepage/ryan-mathesons-personal-statement/

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    4. Re:Justice for those who can afford it. by jdgeorge · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fair? Ha! This is the US "Justice" System we're talking about, fair has nothing to do with it!

      Except that Canada technically isn't one of the United States. It's more like Puerto Rico, or the District of Columbia.

    5. Re:Justice for those who can afford it. by Ultra64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      >I read Ultra64's post as sarcasm

      Yeah, I thought it was incredibly obvious I was being sarcastic.

    6. Re:Justice for those who can afford it. by erroneus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The real deal-breaker here is that he made a plea bargain. Unfortunately, this is how he lost. I know first-hand how this can go. By making a plea, you are granting the prosecution a free pass on any treatment or unfairness you may experience in the process.

      But I feel for the guy. He's young and likely scared. And after almost two years of this crap hanging over his head, misery, depression and paranoia are among the giant mess of emotions he was probably feeling.

      Still, it's a lot of money and I would consult with an attorney about the wrongful arrest and try to get some backing by one or more professionals in the field of psychological medicine to support a case based on his pain and suffering he was subjected to over a very long period. And believe me, being charged with something false and having such things hanging over your head and over your future horizons is no small matter.

      He should definitely sue. He will probably lose because a judge would not want to cripple his criminal justice system with a precedential ruling in favor of the former defendant, but there's a good chance they might settle with him to keep the profile on the issue down.

    7. Re:Justice for those who can afford it. by Smauler · · Score: 2

      Italics from linked statement

      The law shouldn’t be based on what you like or don’t like. The people should have their own choice to pursue what they like and avoid what they don’t like.

      Here's the problem. He's talking about what the law should and should not be, and not what the law is. There is not a single legal system in the world which allows people to pursue what they like. Drug laws, bestiality laws, incest laws, homosexuality laws, indecency laws, are everywhere, and are different in different places.

      Free speech should be absolute, not a pick-and-choose sort of thing.

      No, no it should not. Libel, slander, and "Conspiracy to commit murder" laws are restrictions on free speech.

      Having said all that, I absolutely sympathise with the guy, and am astonished this case got as far as it did (though, not being able to see the images, makes independent evaluations of innocence difficult. The fact that he wasn't charged speaks for itself though). By the way, Canadian taxpayers, this is your cash funding this. If this guy spent $75000, crap knows how much your government spent on it. If this case had not gone ahead, I guess at leas 100 medium paid Canadians would not have had to pay income tax for a year.

    8. Re:Justice for those who can afford it. by masmullin · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I thought it was incredibly obvious I was being sarcastic.

      Are you being sarcastic?

    9. Re:Justice for those who can afford it. by Endo13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You took the quotes completely out of context. He doesn't mean what you're implying at all.

      For those who don't want to bother RTFA, here's the full paragraph:

      Others like me that are interested in comics, manga and anime should become informed about this important issue and stick together. Some people may be tempted to say things like, “Well, I don’t like that type of manga” or “That doesn’t bother me — I’ve never read that title,” but you should step back and take a look at the big picture. The law shouldn’t be based on what you like or don’t like. The people should have their own choice to pursue what they like and avoid what they don’t like. When overzealous governments try to unjustly attack comics and manga, they are attacking all of literature and art as a whole. Free speech should be absolute, not a pick-and-choose sort of thing. This is a very important right that we enjoy every day and we need to stand up for ourselves and protect it!

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    10. Re:Justice for those who can afford it. by Ultra64 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't know anymore.

    11. Re:Justice for those who can afford it. by tqk · · Score: 3, Informative

      The real deal-breaker here is that he made a plea bargain.

      This is Canada (not USA). I know you US-ians do that sort of stuff regularly, but that's (from what I'm used to) not done here, that I know of.

      I still don't understand what to or why he pled the charges; still researching. I'm beginning to feel like a stranger in a strange land, and I live here. This guy shouldn't have needed to plead to anything! WTF is a "non-criminal regulatory offense"? I've never heard of it. Bringing too many cigs across the border?

      As part of the deal, the prosecutor withdrew all criminal charges against me. I knew my defense was extremely strong, but I also knew all trials are inherently risky. If I had gone to full trial, the original criminal charges against me posed the risk of a minimum mandatory sentence of one year plus having to register on a sex offender registry in Canada and potentially even in the United States.

      Ho. Ly. !@#$.

      Lend me a gun somebody?

      This case was important to me. Japanese animation and manga are something I hold precious. I first got into anime when I was about eight years old by watching Sailor Moon and Dragon Ball Z that aired on TV at the time.

      Sailor Moon. Dragon Ball Z. So, what innocuous hobbies are going to trigger attack dogs on me? ReBoot? Guilty as charged. Take me away!

      Ryan, I apologize for my country's actions.

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  4. "Anime and manga" by bluemonq · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the press release: "Moreover, they should also be aware that although anime and manga is legal in many areas of the United States and Japan, etc., to possess and utilize..."

    The hell? Makes it sound like all anime and manga have naked children in them. Also, Matheson didn't get off scot-free: "Mr. Matheson has agreed to plead to a non-criminal code regulatory offense under the Customs Act of Canada."

    1. Re:"Anime and manga" by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 2

      The hell? Makes it sound like all anime and manga have naked children in them.

      A lot of people think they do, or at least some sort of depravity. I've never heard a mainstream show reference Grave of the Fireflies etc. but at least one sitcom has referred to the more... notable... elements of Legend of the Overfiend when discussing "Japanese cartoons".

    2. Re:"Anime and manga" by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Mr. Matheson has agreed to plead to a non-criminal code regulatory offense under the Customs Act of Canada."

      Hey look buddy, we know you're going to sue the pants off of us if we don't nail you with something, so our lawyers found this obscure section of the customs code that is really vague and could nail anyone, because heh, that's what it's there for, and anyway, yeah... you're guilty, and your sentence is, er, nothing. But the important thing here is that justice was served: Namely, We Got Our Man(tm). Er, sorry about ruining your life dude... sorta. Okay, not really. Heh heh, eh? Now if you'll excuse us, we have to go watch videos of ourselves beating the crap out of a bunch of illegal immigrants as part of some 'sensitivity training'. It's mandatory, and so the boss made it BYOB. Man this job sucks... they don't pay for the beer. My last law enforcement job paid for the beer... oh .. crap... is this thing still recording?

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    3. Re:"Anime and manga" by Princeofcups · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The hell? Makes it sound like all anime and manga have naked children in them.

      There's the mistake that everyone makes. The child pornography laws came about as a way to protect children from being exploited, i.e. abused, in the creation of said pornography. How this ever turned into "mind crime" is crazy. Now people accept that the possession of any representation, i.e. drawing, of an child, i.e. under the age of 18, in a sexual fashion is criminal. How did we ever get from one to the other?

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    4. Re:"Anime and manga" by sconeu · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why do you Hate The Children???

      Why won't you THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!

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    5. Re:"Anime and manga" by GmExtremacy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or, in this case, think of the imaginary children!

    6. Re:"Anime and manga" by GmExtremacy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Better that people like Al Capone run free than innocent people be punished.

    7. Re:"Anime and manga" by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      I just burned my copy of Pretty Baby (1978) and the entire first season of Glee.

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    8. Re:"Anime and manga" by GmExtremacy · · Score: 2

      And that's an awful argument.

      If they want to make something into law, shouldn't they need to prove whatever they're stating first? Instead, they just make things illegal under the guise of protecting children without any thought going into the process.

      And I think things should never be banned because of the actions of a few.

    9. Re:"Anime and manga" by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Depiction of children having sex is illegal in Canada. Even if you personally wrote it, or drew it.

      Slide 1: Picture of anime character, age 10
      Slide 2: Picture of anime character, age 14
      Slide 3: Picture of anime character, age 18
      Slide 4: Picture of anime character, age 20
      Slide 5: Picture of anime character, age 30
      Okay, if it would please the court, could the prosecution please point out which of these pictures depicts underage children, and which are of adults? Oh.. you mean it's the exact same artistic style? That there is no difference? Oh... okay.

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    10. Re:"Anime and manga" by ratboy666 · · Score: 2

      Right to the ad hominem attack. Skipping all argument, and rule of law.

      Buddy, Canada is not the US.

      1 - Go to Saudia Arabia, (a country practising Sharia law), and draw a picture of Allah in a police station.

      2 - Now go to Canada and draw children having sex in a police station. Compare and contrast the punishment.

      3 - Now, go ahead and call me a fucking idiot again, if you can. (I think you may well be dead at step 1). Just drawing pictures, right?

      4 - Go to Washington DC, and make drawings of the White House, with details on bomb placements. Bring them to a police station.

      5 - Reflect on other cultures and societal norms.

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  5. Ten years ago by JazzHarper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I knew that it would be best to leave my laptop at home when entering Canada. Even the Canadian customs officer, who was very nice, said, "That was a wise decision".

    1. Re:Ten years ago by Cimexus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What I don't understand is how they are even catching people with stuff on their computers in the first place. The comments on Slashdot (in various stories, not just this one) make it sound like laptops are routinely searched at the border (both in the US, and Canada).

      But I've entered both those countries 20, 30 times (I'm Australian). Not once has my laptop been searched; nor have I seen officers request to search anyone else's. They don't seem to pay any attention to electronic devices at all (not surprising, basically everyone travels with a laptop/tablet these days).

      So my question is: when and where are these searches occurring? Am I just lucky, or are these searches very rare to begin with (and probably only done if someone is stopped at the border for some other reason first?)

  6. shitty summary strikes again! by gl4ss · · Score: 5, Informative

    the important bit from the actual article.
    "Mr. Matheson has agreed to plead to a non-criminal code regulatory offense under the Customs Act of Canada. As a result of the agreement, Matheson will not stand trial. The defense of this case was waged by Michael Edelson and Solomon Friedman of Edelson Clifford D’Angelo LLP. The full Notices of Application detailing Edelson’s defense and outlining the outrageous and unlawful treatment Matheson endured are available here: Charter Notice and Jan 15 12 – Matheson Charter Notice."

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    1. Re:shitty summary strikes again! by tqk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the important bit from the actual article.

      I beg to differ. The important bit from the actual article:

      He was subjected to abusive treatment by police and a disruption in his life that included a two-year period during which he was unable to use computers or the internet outside of his job, severely limiting opportunities to advance his employment and education. ... Matheson was even told by police transporting him to prison that "if you get raped in here, it doesn't count!"

      What a !@#$ing travesty, and for a comic book! Sue for malicious prosecution. They admitted their guilt when they dropped it. That it took them two years and $31,000.00 from two advocacy orgs PLUS, is even worse! Both those orgs and Ryan deserve to be compensated for this cluster!@#$.

      And I don't even *get* Manga. Holy Kafkaesque, Batman! :-P

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    2. Re:shitty summary strikes again! by wrook · · Score: 4, Informative

      What's incredibly scary for me is that it is easier than people might think to get caught by this. I live in Japan and my friend's daughter (who lives in Canada) asked if I could mail her a manga so that she could practice reading Japanese. Her favorite anime at the time was Inu Yasha.

      No problem! I bought the manga, was all ready to mail it off when I thought, "Hey, I haven't read this for a while, maybe I'll just give it a read". Half way through the book, there's a picture of the main character (a 14 years old girl) taking a bath in the lake. Not an erotic scene IMHO, but I guarantee it meets the definition of child porn in Canada.

      That's just what I need; to have a record for importing child porn to Canada.

    3. Re:shitty summary strikes again! by lightknight · · Score: 2

      Eh, the Japanese mentality on nudity / art is different from the Western mentality; as such, what is considered very acceptable in Japan is considered offensive in the US. Given the popularity of manga in Japan, as well as its rising popularity in Western countries, the Canadians were faced with a very nasty choice -> declare the content, under very prudish standards, to be 'child pornography' and risk a international incident (because it would be totally cool for Canada to declare the Japanese to be a bunch of raging pedophiles (extreme sarcasm here)), or realize that their interpretation of what is / isn't offensive might be a little off.

      Though, as an avid manga reader myself, it is fairly interesting that a lot of manga (English-translated) now is being slapped with giant "explicit content" warnings, and wrapped in plastic. Like we didn't learn enough with the Salem witch trials, and Prohibition, we need to just keep pushing our retarded standards on people.

      Come on people, in the human body, learn to be relaxed with seeing it in print. It's only the year 2012. But I digress, this is a country where talking about "addiction to pornography" is in vogue.

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    4. Re:shitty summary strikes again! by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well don't forget we now have actual thoughtcrime here in the USA, never thought I'd see the day but we have. There have been not one but TWO people thrown in jail for thoughtcrime, one the writer of the "pro pedo" book which put his thoughts on paper, no pictures, no drawings even (although i think it is bullshit that they can try to charge you for crimes against a child that doesn't actually exist, what's next get busted for a book with vamps or elves in it? they look Lolita) and the other was a guy that was actually told by his shrink to write his fantasies down in a diary so he could sit down with the shrink and discuss them. Both are in jail for thoughts on a page which if that isn't the very definition of thoughtcrime i don't know what is.

      basically the whole damned thing has gone insane, its like the red scare all over again. and the worse part is its not doing a damned thing about those that actually abuse children for profit, hell there is an article on wikileaks by a guy that sells CP where he is laughing his ass offf at the whole thing. he talks about what a joke the system is, how easy it is for him to get around it, and how just for fun and to give cops something to do he'll occasionally pay malware writers to dump some CP on some dumbass who gets a bug and point the cops towards it just to watch some random schmuck suffer. You can tell by reading his article he's the type that would throw bricks off a busy overpass just to see some random suffering, a real sick fuck, yet he lives like a king and doesn't worry about shit. sadly talking to a friend that works catching CP for the state crime lab i now know why, the prosecutors have no desire to go after guys like him because it crosses state lines and would mean they don't get the credit or press conferences that advance their career,so in the end its all worthless, just another case of doing "something" no matter how stupid, pointless, nor how many lives it destroys, because "something" gets them elected while "something that works' don't. this whole fucking system is just rotten and foul, no other word for it, foul.

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    5. Re:shitty summary strikes again! by tqk · · Score: 2

      This is weird, because all the things you say ("this is a country where...", "Salem witch trials", "Prohibition") are things that sound more like the USA. I thought Canada was supposed to be a saner place, but now I'm not so sure.

      This is in the realm of "child porn". There is no right that the authorities will recognize if it's between them and prosecuting paedophiles. "Think of the children!" Welcome to Salem, 2012. An accusation is as good as a conviction.

      "Prove you're innocent, blasphemous witch!"

      "It's just a comic book!"

      "Not good enough."

      "But, it's just a comic book!!!"

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    6. Re:shitty summary strikes again! by X0563511 · · Score: 2

      They disappeared. That's what happens when someone pushes the "think of the children" button.

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  7. Drawings != child porn by Fjandr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As distasteful as it may be in the case of images produced with the intent to be a form of child pornography, it sickens me to see artificially-produced images classified as child pornography. It opens the door to criminally penalizing people for something which must be judged based solely on opinion. There cannot be an objective judgment that an artificially-produced image constitutes "underage pornography," and criminal penalties should be based as closely on objectivity as possible.

    These resources should be directed toward finding and jailing people who produce child pornography using actual children, not those who produce images which require (sometimes highly) subjective interpretation.

    1. Re:Drawings != child porn by flimflammer · · Score: 4, Funny

      Won't someone think of the drawn children?!

    2. Re:Drawings != child porn by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      it sickens me to see artificially-produced images classified as child pornography

      So you're a pedophile?

      (That is the reaction I get when I say such things...)

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    3. Re:Drawings != child porn by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Informative

      As I understand it, the images he was arrested and charge over were not even of children. They were adolescent/young-adult characters who might have been of legal age or maybe not. This ambiguity is not uncommon in the work of Japanese artists, especially in light of the cultural taboo (I'm not sure if it's still illegal in Japan) against drawing pubic hair. The initial judgment that the drawings were "child pornography" was made by a supervisor who had not even seen them, let alone someone qualified to somehow make that judgment.

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    4. Re:Drawings != child porn by tmosley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You could go to jail for that, it they are the wrong type of thoughts.

    5. Re:Drawings != child porn by mhajicek · · Score: 5, Funny

      You: "I swear, that drawing of a girl is 18."

      Officer: "She looks 17 to me, I'm bringing you in."

      You: Draws sketch of girl holding up drivers license showing age 18.

      Officer: "Well OK then, but I'm watching you."

      Should drawings of killings be considered the same as murder?

    6. Re:Drawings != child porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is true. Be careful drawing stick figures on napkins, make sure they are not too short...

    7. Re:Drawings != child porn by Verdatum · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You will occasionally see this done in commercial translations. In japan the character is 16. In the US translation, dialog is changed such that she's suddenly 18.

    8. Re:Drawings != child porn by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      Wow, sarcasm really doesn't work in this venue.

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    9. Re:Drawings != child porn by archen · · Score: 2

      This sounds a lot like the law that was put into place in Britain (or maybe they were just considering it, I can't recall), where the "presumed age" of imaginary characters didn't matter, the likeness to being a child is all that does. Considering anime/manga styles, the difference between a 40 year old woman and a 14 year old girl may only be a matter of which one is wearing a school uniform. Never mind trying to class something like a 300 year old vampire that was bitten at12 years of age when they gained immortality. A lot of people saw how trying to enforce law over fantasy was going to be a big mess, and sure enough it is. Laws are meant to deal with reality, and can't cope with imaginary scenarios. The easy way is of course to just prosecute everyone as criminals. Not surprising that's usually the course taken these days.

    10. Re:Drawings != child porn by nightfire-unique · · Score: 3, Funny

      Should drawings of killings be considered the same as murder?

      Bah, it's just murder. Nothing to be afraid of. Sex, on the other hand...

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    11. Re:Drawings != child porn by mikael_j · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The swedish minister of law (it's funny because she dropped out of law school)

      Actually, "Tant Gredelin" (AKA Beatrice Ask) never even attended law school, she briefly studied economics...

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  8. More importantly... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Informative

    People have been arrested in the US for the very same offense as the guy from TFA -- possession of illegal manga.

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    1. Re:More importantly... by Altrag · · Score: 2

      Child porn is censored in most of the world. Like it or not, that's the way of things.

      The only question is defining exactly what constitutes "child porn." Are you guilty if you didn't know it was a child at the time? Are you guilty if its an adult pretending to be a child? What if they explicitly tell the camera that they're over 18 when they're obviously dressing in a manner than implies younger? Where is the line between child porn and art drawn? For that matter, 18 is only the magic number because its bandied around in movies so much and the whole world is addicted to Hollywood -- but there's absolutely no reason some jurisdictions couldn't impose 25 as the limit for child porn. Or 15.

      There's lots of questions to be asked, and various countries around the world have answered them in whatever manner deemed appropriate by the whichever group of religious nutballs happened to grab power for a while. The one thing that is never questioned however is that it should be banned (aka censored.)

      And to really screw things up, there's many jurisdictions where the age of consent is not the same as the "age of child porn" (I'm sure there's some technical term for that) so you could legally have sex with your 16 year old girlfriend, but if you take a picture or a video of her, you're suddenly among the worst criminals on the planet. Enjoy.

      Hell, it wasn't that long ago that the cops were busting kids for taking pictures -of themselves- under zero duress or coercion from adults -- just horny teenagers being well.. horny teenagers. But you know, they needed to be "saved". By giving them a criminal record.

      The real problem is that we're no longer persecuting child porn to protect children, we're persecuting child porn because it looks good for the cops making arrests and the politicians making laws. The only time children actually come up in the child porn debate anymore is when we need to invoke a "think of the children" cry in order to fend off logic and reason.

  9. Microfinancing by marnues · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most importantly, donate to the CBDL to help pay the bills! http://cbldf.org/

  10. Where's the victim of this cartoon porn? by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No crime committed.

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    1. Re:Where's the victim of this cartoon porn? by steelfood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The victim? There are plenty.

      1) This guy, who's now $45K in debt defending himself from fraudulent charges.
      2) The customs officer, for having seen these drawings, is now scarred for life.
      3) Us, for having to waste time and energy yet again to assert that drawn pictures is not illegal.

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  11. Bad logic by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Child sex abuse imagery is illegal because producing it involves sexually abusing children, not because images of child abuse happen to offend most people. If no children are being abused, then what is the logic for making the cartoons illegal?

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    1. Re:Bad logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While I strongly disagree with making it criminal, the most common logic I've heard is it will incite pedophiles to an action they wouldn't otherwise have taken.

      Just like porn makes you go rape white women.

    2. Re:Bad logic by marnues · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is a significant portion of the US population that believes if objects of vice are removed, so go the vices themselves. Removing all kiddy porn real or fake will decrease child sex abuse. I find this completely specious, but it's so difficult to disprove that any attempts to argue otherwise seems to embolden these believers.

  12. Re:Misleading headline by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, we are well aware of how a plea bargain is used as extortion to force people to accept a charge they are innocent of when they cannot afford a proper defense or are afraid of the kangaroo court. Often it's used as an excuse to not pay damages that are ethically owed to the defendant.

  13. Border crossing by soundguy · · Score: 2

    If you're crossing a border with ANYTHING on a laptop besides the operating system, you're just asking for trouble. If you need to work in multiple countries or just like to travel a lot, lease, colo, or home-base your own server and keep your stuff there. When you get to your destination, download and install an SCP client, then access the files you need. Download and install TrueCrypt, create an encrypted file, and use that to store local working copies of things as necessary. Download and install a non-factory web browser and use that to access your own secure web mail system.

    Before going back across the border, save any work back to your remote server and delete the SCP client, browser, Truecrypt, and the encrypted file. If you're really paranoid, reinstall the OS from the rescue partition.

    The secret to staying out of jail is pretty simple - don't be lazy, don't be stupid, don't poke the bear.

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    1. Re:Border crossing by tftp · · Score: 2

      The secret to staying out of jail is pretty simple - don't do anything, ever.

      You are not cynical enough. The real secret to staying out of jail is even simpler - you must become a criminal, act as a criminal and think as a criminal. You don't have to do crimes, though. But your awareness of the police society will keep you safe.

      Only starry-eyed innocents let themselves be caught with stuff. A man who is in fear of police would have simply mailed the laptop across the border; the computer, with the HDD encryption key in BIOS, would go with FedEx and and the encrypted HDD, without the key, would be sent with DHL, to a different address. There is no way to recover the data unless you know how to put both pieces together and then enter the password to unlock the key.

    2. Re:Border crossing by gknoy · · Score: 2

      It only takes once to have your life completely upended (for a duration that might be long or short). Perhaps they don't like the photos of your family swimming in that pond you visited. Perhaps they confiscate all your code + work + etc. Either way, you end up with (at the best) missing equipment and data, and in the worst case end up with legal troubles that are Very Large.

      It definitely seems like the safest (if not most convenient) way is to travel without personal or business data on your laptop/tablet. When they fire it up, your bookmarks point at Gmail, Google Docs, and your company VPN site, and that's it. Your desktop has "Itinerary.pdf", your "documents" folder has nothing in it. It's sanitized enough not to arouse suspicion, and has clear links to "I work on remote crap" so that people don't think you're hiding something.

      Also, it helps to not actually be hiding something. That way, if your machine IS confiscated, all your important data is still safe someplace else, and you're not waiting on your machine to be returned, which will never happen soon enough to be useful.

    3. Re:Border crossing by tftp · · Score: 3, Informative

      Your "solution" is actually a pretty bad idea. Almost all customs that I've been through ask you explicitly if you are having anything shipped into the country that you are entering.

      I'm not traveling much, but when I was returning from Germany about 10 years ago the customs agent only asked me, as an afterthought, if I bought anything abroad. I had not, and that was all.

      Besides, let's assume that you say "yes." What will happen next? Will they refuse you the entry because you shipped a heavy item that you couldn't possibly carry? Will they arrest you for a few days until the shipment arrives and they inspect it? Those are ridiculous scenarios. IMO if you say yes then nothing at all will happen.

      Maybe they changed the rules since then. But this question is like "Are you a member of a terrorist organization?" that you need to answer while you are still on the airplane. No sane person would ever answer "yes". A peaceful person will tell the truth, and a terrorist will lie. The question is there just to accuse the terrorist of lying on an official form once he is caught for something else. You can't throw a book at someone unless the book is thick enough.

      If you are unable to lie convincingly, this still may be OK. The border guards may suspect that you aren't truthful, but they will have no factual reason to deny you the entry.

      However they may not need facts to kick you out. For that reason you have other options. First, ask a friend to ship those things. His name will be on waybills, and you can honestly and truthfully say that you haven't shipped a thing. You can even ask your friend to ship the item AFTER you cross the border and tell him where you are staying. Then you'd be 100% honest at the border.

      Second, you can take your laptop with you. There will be a blank HDD in it, with a fresh install of Ubuntu and a recent visit to CNN.com. They can look at it from every direction but there is nothing suspicious there. Once you cross you can copy your VirtualBox files over the Internet and do your thing. Once done, copy it back and reinstall Ubuntu.

      My point is that too many people (and I'm often guilty of that myself) are trusting the government. This is bad for your survival. It is quite antisocial, but if you look at everyone as an adversary (most importantly if you do that toward people of power) then you will live longer and be happier. Paranoia is good for your survival. I wouldn't have said that 20 years ago, but now such conclusion is pretty clear.

      The laptop story is just an example. You can be caught in many different dragnets, for fun or profit. You can be stopped on a freeway for exceeding the speed, even if you did not. I know where such things happen and don't ever go there. You can be stopped by CHP hiding behind overpasses and in bushes. I know those places and watch my speed there. Many other possibilities exist that may make your life more difficult. An adversarial approach lets you bypass many of these inconveniences. Criminals practice that approach all the time, necessarily. You don't have to be a criminal; however if you see a police car approaching, don't just hang around. The police doesn't give out cookies; all they give out is arrest records, and the best you can hope for is that they leave you alone. Help them with that.

  14. Re:Misleading headline by Chryana · · Score: 2

    Yeah right, I'm sure he didn't mind spending nearly 50 thousand dollars to defend himself from something which most people would not consider to be a crime! As for the defense bit, you will have to elaborate, because it is meaningless. Are you saying Canada gives a public defender more easily? Last I heard, you need to be dirt poor to get one, just like in the US, notwithstanding the fact that the accused is not even a citizen of Canada.

  15. Re:Misleading headline by bhtooefr · · Score: 2

    It sounds like they didn't provide an adequate defense, because he had to hire $75,000 of lawyers.

    And, in the US, you can get a public defender, too. Said public defender is usually about as good at defending as Windows Me is at being a stable, modern, secure operating system.

  16. Re:Misleading headline by sjames · · Score: 2

    Given that he's $45K in debt as a result of this, I would guess that he didn't have enough money made available.

    Normally, Canada does seem to be more conscientious about this sort of thing, but this seems to have been an exception.

  17. Re:Has anyone looked at the image in question? by DrGamez · · Score: 2

    The filename is shijuuhatte-48-positions and if this is child porn then we are all going to hell.

  18. Canada is extremely strict in their customs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is from Ryan Matheson's Statement available here: http://cbldf.org/homepage/ryan-mathesons-personal-statement/

    "Canada is extremely strict in their customs and immigration process — probably the strictest in the world — and should exercise extreme caution if you travel there."

    I agree! In my pervious job I would travel to Canada from Michigan to approve equipment built in Canada from our specifications. This was usually $500,000.00 to $1,000,000.00 USD amount going INTO the Canadian ecomony.

    This is how my last three trips went.

    1. Entering Canada they pulled me over to be searched. They asked me the same question about 10-15 times trying to get me to say that I was working illegally in Canada without a work permit. I was not and they did not trip me up. They went through all my papers opened every compartment in the car and made a huge mess.

    2. For a VACATION to Toronto to spend my own money in Canada I was threatened to be searched and finger printed while I was in the middle of driving about 12 hours after work.

    3. On my most recent trip to approve equipment I had no problems. This is because I decided to start over with a new company in the US to build the equipment. If they want to treat me like a criminal then I have no reason to do business there.

    As a side note this equipment is destined to other countries around the world so I have some experience with other customs inspections. You can fly to Europe, go to several countries and no one will even ask you why you are there. If you cross to Canada and back from the US expect to be interrogated and searched. BS.

  19. Re:Has anyone looked at the image in question? by ae1294 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Fuck this scared shit... Here you all go...

    http://s582.photobucket.com/albums/ss263/Toxic_Alli101/?action=view&current=shijuuhatte-48-positions-sd.png&newest=1

    Enjoy the horrible child rape porn... (fucking sad)

  20. The Lesson To Be Learned Is... by grelmar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When you have to cross a border, assume that the customs agent is going to be an under-educated, under-paid, bigotted, rule thumping misanthrope with an axe to grind who's job is essentially workfare for the distant relative of a petty bureaucrat.

    I've traveled through North America, Asia, and Europe, and the above statement would apply to 95% of border guards/customs officials I've had to deal with.

    1. Travel light.
    2. Pack no printed material of any sort - if you're traveling for business, fax, email, or Fedex your documents ahead of you.
    3. Computers/Laptops can and will be confiscated on the slightest pretext. You will never see it again. It's an early Christmas/Birthday gift for the Customs Official's kid.
    4. Learn the etiquette of bribes for the country you are about to visit, especially in the "in some places its really dumb to try and bribe officials, in others it's an insult not to bribe them" sense.