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Google Is Planning To Penalize Overly Optimized Sites

tekgoblin writes "This is an interesting move by Google but not completely off the rocker for them. Last year they blocked search results from the co.cc domain because they believed they polluted the search results. Google plans to penalize overly optimized sites because they want to level the playing field for other websites who do not concentrate on such efforts. From the article: 'Google Engineer Matt Cutts explains the following: “We are trying to make GoogleBot smarter, make our relevance better, and we are also looking for those who abuse it, like too many keywords on a page, or exchange way too many links or go well beyond what you normally expect.” The search engine at Google is about to go through a major overhaul and de-prioritizing sites with heavy SEO is just a small part in the big picture to bring better search results. The changes to the search engine will be coming in the next few months.'"

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  1. Good by heypete · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Too many site owners are worried about SEO strategies rather than producing good content.

    1. Re:Good by davester666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How about somebody mentioning to Google that we also don't want Google+ crap spamming our results...

      We shouldn't have to hit page 2 before we start getting useful results.

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    2. Re:Good by green1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It used to be that good content was what search engines were looking for. And by producing good (and well organized) content you automatically ended up at the top of the search rankings.
      Unfortunately search bots don't actually know what "good content" is, so all they can do is try to work with the bits that they can figure out, and that led to SEO which really ONLY exists to game those algorithms.
      This is a good move on google's part. I think one of the big failings of all search engines recently is that they have mostly been accepting SEO rather than fighting it. This leads to lots of garbage sites with good SEO grabbing all the top spots, and makes it very difficult to find really good sites. The smarter they can make GoogleBot the better, I long for a day when the only way to do SEO has the side effect of having to make useful information for human visitors too...

    3. Re:Good by buchner.johannes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Too many site owners are worried about SEO strategies rather than producing good content.

      Surely the reaction to this will be producing good content, and not employing more SEO gurus to circumvent the new weights by dodgy techniques.

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    4. Re:Good by slimjim8094 · · Score: 5, Informative

      See the globe next to the person icon, the one that says "Hide personal results"?

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    5. Re:Good by green1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I had mod points this would be +1 Funny...
      SEO is the business of circumventing the proper weighting of search results by "dodgy techniques", it always has been, and always will be.
      SEO didn't exist until people realized that bots had specific things they were looking for, and people started putting only those things in instead of writing good content that happened to include those things (what the bot writers originally assumed would be found)
      I hope this is the start of a new war by google against the SEO business, one where humans benefit by being able to find sites that are actually relevant.

    6. Re:Good by RajivSLK · · Score: 2

      This is great.. I have been running a web application company for the past 14 years. Now days we are drowned out of the search results for certain terms by jackass SEO optimized competitors. The competitors at the top of search results are simply there because that have done things like exchange links with a completely unrelated site. They have a list of 12 or so links in their footer and each of the 12 other sites do the same. None of the sites have anything to with each other. It is surprising that with the amount Google spends on optimization that this would work but it has so far.

      With google being pretty much the single dominant search engine this has impacted our business. I was recently considering that we would have to play catch up in this game but now I am just going to wait and see what happens.

    7. Re:Good by Yetihehe · · Score: 2

      The smarter they can make GoogleBot the better, I long for a day when the only way to do SEO has the side effect of having to make useful information for human visitors too...

      If they can pull it off... http://xkcd.com/810/

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    8. Re:Good by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      Now days we are drowned out of the search results for certain terms by jackass SEO optimized competitors.

      It may be cheaper to buy Google's keyword ads than pay for link fudging efforts to compete. The keyword ads appear on the right side of their usual search results and marked as ads. You "buy" a keyword and a frequency amount (higher frequency = more costs). I used to use this service, and it was relatively effective. (Lately they've moved them to the middle in tan sometimes if a low number of matches.)

    9. Re:Good by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about somebody mentioning to Google that we also don't want Google+ crap spamming our results...

      I mentioned it to them in the "why are you doing this?" box when I deleted my Google+ account.

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    10. Re:Good by buchner.johannes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hope this is the start of a new war by google against the SEO business, one where humans benefit by being able to find sites that are actually relevant.

      The core of the problem is really that people don't want to hear that their site/content is not relevant on a search term, because for them it is relevant. So they will search for ways of "correcting" this picture, and demand creates supply.

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    11. Re:Good by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The best way to do this is a catch 22. In order to gain better search results you have to give up search privacy. Using Google 'manage blocked sites' you can start killing off those SEO sites that crud up you search results one by one, catch is you must be logged in.

      Google can of course compile those blocked sites, sites that users have decided to permanently toss in the search waste bin and start putting those sites further and further down the results list (associated with broad users types).

      Google can even publicly shame offending sites by publishing lists of the most blocked web sites, really sticking it to the SEOs who get carried away with crapping up search results.

      To get really good search results, search companies just need to provide the core, the starting point and then allow logged in registered users (no privacy, suggestion here use 2 search engines, one for private and one for public searches) as a distributed effort to rate good and bad results, for general rankings and specific user type rankings

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    12. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or have more than one popular search engine, each with a ranking algorithm that is different from the other, different enough that optimizing a site for one search engine would cause that site to get demoted in other search engines. Well I can dream can't I?

    13. Re:Good by nbauman · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's like judging teachers by their students' results on standardized tests.

    14. Re:Good by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

      Not a contradiction, just an arms race. If Google remaps the current scoring algorithm so that the best scores are in the middle of the range and high scores are considered garbage, then as long as the field of SEO has to constantly reinvent itself to keep up with Google's mood, you can bet that the vast majority of link farming sites won't be able to keep up. As a result of this, some may even give up, and certainly unmaintained sites with currently-good SEO will become useless. Eventually, of course, Google will have exhausted the twists and turns they can make without compromising utility, but they will have deterred more than a few system-gamers along the way. As long as Google's changes are still useful for humans seeking legitimate pages, this will have a net positive benefit.

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    15. Re:Good by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hope this is the start of a new war by google against the SEO business, one where humans benefit by being able to find sites that are actually relevant.

      I can propose a tactic that might work pretty well: Whenever Google figures out the latest spamming method the SEO people are using, make a list of all the sites that currently do that (ideally in the way that only or primarily the SEO people are doing it), and then give all those sites a long-term decrease in ranking, even if they stop doing that thing. Make it two years before you can get your site back into the higher rankings.

      Soon enough everybody will realize that "get SEO" is a synonym for "get your site removed from the first page of results for the next two years" and then finding methods of fooling the Googlebot in the short-term won't matter anymore because no one will be willing to attempt it if they can get slapped with a long-term penalty.

    16. Re:Good by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I mentioned it to them in the "why are you doing this?" box when I deleted my Google+ account.

      You mean "Disabled your account." You don't actually believe they deleted a damn thing, do you?

    17. Re:Good by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2

      For the too many keywords issue, male the not only use the first N (maybe 20?) keywords. It would be a trivial change.

    18. Re:Good by datavirtue · · Score: 2

      And how in the hell can you function without a Google account? Seriously.

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    19. Re:Good by datavirtue · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not really, now that people have been gaming the system those with good content now have to practice SEO to stay afloat/visible.

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    20. Re:Good by martin-boundary · · Score: 2

      Sorry, that's just blacklists all over again for web spam instead of email spam. It won't work in the long run, and I'd rather not give Google a blank check on privacy out of desperation for "relevant" hits.

    21. Re:Good by Armakuni · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The first thing I will do then is buy a number of spammy links to be sent to my competitor's otherwise entirely white-hat site that currently ranks in 1st, thus making sure his excellent site never troubles me again. Meanwhile, he's too honest to do the same to my site, so I benefit. This is called negative SEO and is not new. It's the reason Google haven't done what you suggest.

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    22. Re:Good by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You folks logged in when you use Google? I never log in and I never get Google + results. Testing this just now
      I searched for "how to sing" not one Google + result and I went in 6 pages.

      I'm also not a Google + member (none of the social sites) but that shouldn't matter.

      I log in to my Youtube account anytime I need to do anything, then log out. I have one video that's seeing 50000 views a week
      and the info on people (those who have logged in or never log out) is quite interesting; allowing one to specialize their spam

      BTW: The video mentioned is on a different account, 5 seconds long, and nobody likes it, but it's doing rather well :}}.
      Not one item of spam, not even a link to my other site have I placed (outside of the description).
      -Citation: youtube search for "How to get a Mob Spawner" by badactorEP, I've left the basic statistics open.

    23. Re:Good by Barbara,+not+Barbie · · Score: 3, Funny

      And this is why I'm eating your lunch right now

      So you're the one stealing yesterday's leftovers from the fridge. Time to make a chocolate-exlax cream pie.

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    24. Re:Good by tqk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And how in the hell can you function without a Google account?

      Is that a serious question, or do I get a "whoosh"? I'm missing the point, I think.

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    25. Re:Good by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure how effective that would be against what I'm describing.

      The idea is that you give the SEO bastards some time to come up with their latest successful strategy for increasing the rank of a site, then you make a list of the sites that have done that, then you blacklist all of them in one shot for a long period of time. The second it comes out that people who use that tactic get blacklisted, the sites are all already blacklisted. It's a one shot deal, so you can't figure out which tactic they're going to punish you for ahead of time. The only safe play is to not do any of them.

      And then at the same time as you punish the people who were doing that, you fix the algorithm so that the tactic in question doesn't work anymore -- which means you don't have to punish people for using it ever again, because it no longer works. That prevents asshats using the tactic against competitors, because the punishments for using it are over as soon as you discover they exist.

    26. Re:Good by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2

      I know of a small family plant nursery business/garden centre who wanted to redo their website. They mostly sold flowers, trees, landscaping plants, etc and also ran vegetable classes.

      Anyway, the developer they hired insisted that Google gave higher priority to the words "fruits" and "hedging", and proceeded to throw up a website containing essentially nothing but content about fruits and hedges. Trouble was, they didn't do a lot of hedging and I don't think they did fruits at all. When questioned on this, he came back with some nonsense about "hits" and "looking professional".

      He basically wrecked their site through SEO best practices.

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    27. Re:Good by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I only use my Gmail for a spamdump and don't use it for anything else, so what EXACTLY am I missing here? In what way, shape, or form is a Google account supposed to "help" me in any way? I have ABP so frankly i don't care how accurate their ads are as i never see the damned things, don't use social crap (only use FB to log into sites i don't give a crap about) so no need got Google+, sow hat exactly is great and wonderful about a Google account? if I closed mine tomorrow i could just have a Hotmail spamdump just as easy, it doesn't really matter who gets all the website registration spam and I prfer yahoo for real mail, so what great thing am i missing out on?

      As for TFA that's why I use Yahoo Search now, damned SEOs ruin Google search results playing buzzword bingo with keywords. I've found Yahoo Search (yes i know the backend is Bing but I hate the Bing UI, the Yahoo UI is nicer IMHO) actually lets me find what i want without SEO spam. Sure its classic functionality by obscurity in that the SEOs don't pound bing's engine like they do Google, but as long as it works i couldn't care less.

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    28. Re:Good by lee1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I suspect Google doesn't actually want all the spam sites to vanish from their results, because they profit from them: these sites are designed to entice you to click on ads, which leads to revenue for Google. I feel that the ease with which crude spam pages can still rise to the top of the search results is some evidence for this. The old (pre-IPO) Google would of course know that this is not a good long-term stragegy. Today's Google? It wouldn't surprise me.

    29. Re:Good by Kaenneth · · Score: 2

      You seem to think the small business owners that this would hurt would know about it.

    30. Re:Good by symbolset · · Score: 5, Funny

      The horror! Have you sought counselling for the trauma? Are you finding the injury disabling?

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    31. Re:Good by Ihmhi · · Score: 5, Informative

      And on top of that, when you're signed in they have that whole useful "never see links from this site again". If you type in $BAND $SONG lyrics, you're bound to get sites that use shitty flash apps, annoying ads, etc. They are erased from my personal search results, and now I only see relevant ones.

    32. Re:Good by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 2

      The ones paying any attention would know about it. And the result of that would be that most of the SEO companies would go out of business and the remainder would be selling pure, unadulterated, more-harm-than-good snake oil.

      It's also worth pointing out that as long as the targets are only the ones who actually used SEO in the first place, they're only getting what they deserve. Screw anybody who thinks polluting everyone else's search results is a good idea.

    33. Re:Good by hobarrera · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I dont' *have* a google account, yet, every once in a while, I get "personal results", and pictures of people I know who have google accounts. That's scary!

    34. Re:Good by TheLink · · Score: 3, Interesting

      At one point of time the stupid thing was often on the same Google search page there was the option to hide some sites (which I found valid from search results), but not the link spam sites!

      BTW the block sites stuff doesn't appear to work well for me any more. I did this: go to google trends, pick two unrelated trending keywords/phrases, search for them. Click on spam site, click back, block the spam site. Repeat. Go to manage blocked sites, no sites show up- this is even when I'm signed in to Google.

      FWIW Google could use a similar method to automatically block such spam sites (there would need to be some checks but some of these sites are so obviously spam that even a simple program should be able to figure it out.

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    35. Re:Good by shaitand · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "I prfer yahoo for real mail"

      Baffling, it really is. I have a yahoo account I don't use for anything, not spam crap, not anything. It gets several hundred spam a day that fly past the filter.

    36. Re:Good by Barbara,+not+Barbie · · Score: 2
      You missed the point - incoming links will no longer change your search rankings. The original PageRank algorithm is dead (but we already knew it was dying long ago). Google indicated as much, without saying it plainly, when they bought a company specializing in data-mining to answer questions, and expanded their topic database from 20 million to 200 million.

      So forget about SEO, and forget about Online Reputation Management (pushing others down in the rankings). Those days are coming to an end.

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    37. Re:Good by jhoff · · Score: 2

      I suspect Google doesn't actually want all the spam sites to vanish from their results, because they profit from them: these sites are designed to entice you to click on ads, which leads to revenue for Google. I feel that the ease with which crude spam pages can still rise to the top of the search results is some evidence for this. The old (pre-IPO) Google would of course know that this is not a good long-term stragegy. Today's Google? It wouldn't surprise me.

      I work at Google on Search Quality, and we really do have a firewall between the Search Quality and Ads departments. We make changes that we believe will help our users find better results, so they'll keep coming back to Google for years to come. We don't answer to Ads.

  2. Not a very good wingman... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Funny

    Last year they blocked search results from the co.cc domain because they believed they polluted the search results

    So now Google is officially a co.cc blocker.

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  3. content not ads by chrismcb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People want to find the best content, not the best ads. But they shouldn't be penalizing people who have "good seo" such as decent keyword lists. Rather they should be penalizing people with poor content.

    1. Re:content not ads by green1 · · Score: 2

      The problem is that there is no way for googlebot to know what "good content" is. SEO isn't some magic thing that makes bad content appear as good to a search engine, instead it's a way of gaming the mechanism that the bots use to try to determine genuinely good content (which is what the bot really is trying to find, it's just not smart enough to know the difference). The only solution is a smarter google-bot, and this is something that I think google really needs to work on, (and this seems to be the first step)
      I look forward to the day when the only way to game the system is to make a page that ends up being useful to your human visitors too...

  4. Oh this is too good. by chr1st1anSoldier · · Score: 5, Funny

    HAHAHAHAHA! I love this! The company I work for makes every employee write blog articles and in turns makes our sales team write eight comments a month on those blog artles for the sole purpose of increasing their google standing in search results. You have no idea how much this makes me smile.

    1. Re:Oh this is too good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That would explain the forced article creation.

    2. Re:Oh this is too good. by locopuyo · · Score: 2

      The chief sits at the bottom of the totem pole because he supports everyone. Unless you're the CEO you're doing it wrong.

  5. I imagine the SEOs are rubbing their hands now by Molt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All this is doing is changing the rules on which sites will be rated more highly, this changes what needs to be done to a site to gain artificially high ranking- maybe making it more difficult- but it'll still be done. I can imagine the SEO service sellers being delighted about this, new customers will still be buying their services to gain ranks and since old approaches will now be penalised they can start to sell again to those who'd bought their services before the change.

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    1. Re:I imagine the SEOs are rubbing their hands now by Bogtha · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I can imagine the SEO service sellers being delighted about this, new customers will still be buying their services to gain ranks and since old approaches will now be penalised they can start to sell again to those who'd bought their services before the change.

      Companies that provide SEO tend to work for a monthly retainer, not as one-off payments. I doubt many of them will like this because it eliminates one of the things that differentiates their service from simply "build a good site and add good content". The people who don't "over-optimise" make more money by simply doing a good job of building websites, and they have no need to define themselves as SEO companies.

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  6. semantic web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    as the web becomes less semantic-based, html/css is slowly eroding in value as a searchable medium. for websites worth visiting, the default html structure that the googlebot loads is little more than a placeholder for dynamic content, with css styles used to declare javascript event listeners for a given element. clicking on said element loads the dynamic content.

    people are finding things in different ways now: one example is via word-of-mouth (viral, etc) via social networks. who honestly thinks that fine tuning their website's keywords will help them obtain more visitors? does anyone actually believe this will help their website gain popularity? especially given the billions of webpages already in various search engines' databases? in this day and age?

    as a web marketer, you are better off promoting a website through as many social networks as possible. dont waste time fine-tuning keywords; nobody cares anymore.

    its about people helping people find information, not some algorithm helping you.

    1. Re:semantic web by lightknight · · Score: 2

      Politicians first, then Lawyers, then Marketers.

      Anyone else with me?

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  7. Keywords up the wazoo by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

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  8. From An Insider: Good! by deweyhewson · · Score: 2

    As someone who provides SEO, among other things - shameless plug alert: www.uvmanagement.com - I see this as being a welcome change.

    It is frustrating trying to provide what I deem "honest" SEO - focusing on marketing the content, rather than creating content which is marketable, for example - when so many other providers out there use all the tricks in the book to increase page rankings without actually having content worthy of where they end up. I very well could engage in such tactics, but I'm a nerd before I'm a businessman, and I'm not particularly happy with how "cluttered" the web has become over the past decade as more and more people have learned how to exploit holes in its system.

    It can be incredibly frustrating trying to find something on Google (or any other engine), when the first several pages are filled with worthless or ultimately irrelevant links.

  9. Re:About time.... by Bogtha · · Score: 3, Funny

    When I can search for 4 different unrelated terms and have the same site show up in each, you know that SEO is only a scumbags game.

    I know. There's this one scumbag SEO company that comes up for an absolute load of unrelated terms, it's that obvious, I don't know why Google haven't blacklisted them yet. The SEO company even has a silly name, Wiki something I think.

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  10. Penalize? I don't think so. by Xtifr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It doesn't sound to me like they're trying to penalize anyone; it sounds to me like they're trying to improve their search results. The people who spend so much time and effort trying to artificially boost their rankings may feel like they're being penalized, but that doesn't mean they are. You might as well say that a thief forced to return the goods he stole is being penalized for the value of those goods. While "stealing rankings" may not be a crime, per se, Google is doing little more here than trying to return rankings to their proper owners.

  11. In google's interest by nprz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A lot of the SEO sites have very low actual value in them. They are avoided by any humans with 10% of a brain.
    This dilutes Google's actual value as a search engine.
    If they change how sites are rated to raise usable content-rich sites, then people are more likely to view the site and maybe actually click on an ad and maybe buy something.

  12. Re:About time.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Because we know, deep down, you are really seeking a larger penis. Its the basis of all human endeavor.

  13. SEO is bullshit by evanism · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have always hated SEO with a deep passion.

    I despise the SEO marketing idiots who glamorise themselves with "arcane knowledge". They end up using basic tools that any illiterate monkey could. Knowledge that could be written out on a 2 pages, in a big font.

    They act like Chiropractors, alternative medicine quacks and ponzi fraudsters. Wizard of Oz stuff, "Ignore the man behind the curtain". They all get caught out, simply because what they espouse is rubbish.

    The sooner Google allows the entire internet population to have a "This Is SEO Bullshit" button, the better.

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  14. Old SEO joke by s7uar7 · · Score: 5, Funny

    How many SEO experts does it take to change a light bulb, lightbulb, light,bulb, lamp, lighting, light switch, lightswitch, switch, energy?

  15. Moving the ads to Google properties by Animats · · Score: 2

    This may be about moving ads to Google properties. With AdSense ads, Google has to share revenue. With ads on Google's own pages, they don't. Google is putting more ads on their own search result pages now, and adding their "social" (i.e. brand related) results at the right. Look up "cars" and you now get "People and Pages on Google+ related to cars", which are Ford, Nissan (with logos) and "cars.com".

    Google has been trying to drive traffic to their own properties for a while, and the pressure is increasing. Top results for popular searches are increasingly Google's own content, or something they scraped from somewhere else. (You can stop Google from scraping your site. The price is total disappearance from Google searches. News Corp. did that for some of their newspapers. Few others dare.) "Videos" as a search option has been replaced by "YouTube". And, of course, there's "Google+"

    Anything Matt Cutts says about "cracking down on SEO" has to be viewed with skepticism. He's Google's promoter to the SEO community. He speaks at the big SEO conferences. His position is "SEO is not spam.

    1. Re:Moving the ads to Google properties by Tacvek · · Score: 2

      It is important to understand though that what Google means by SEO is things like having an XML Sitemap, ensuring each page has a unique title that reflects the content of the page, providing alt text, using descriptive anchor text (i.e. not "click here"), and providing friendly urls. Those things are easy, and most of them also inherently improve the quality of the site for humans too.

      What all too many people understand by SEO is things like getting more pages to link to your site, making sure every imaginable keyword appears on every page, and similar tactics that do nothing to improve the page for humans, nor do they really help Google determine if your site is relevant for a given query.

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  16. Stop trying to tell us what you think we want by crossmr · · Score: 2

    About two months ago I was searching for something, and I remember being annoyed enough with the results that google was posting to go try searching on Bing *shudder*

    The problem was, despite using quotes, google was not searching the exact term I had entered. It was two months ago so I don't remember the exact term, but the problem was of the nature where it was modifying the end of the word. In that case it was making a significant enough change that I wasn't remotely finding what I wanted, despite the quotes.

    I think in the near future google is going to start to find out they're not immortal. They've really been going downhill..

    Another big annoyance is a removal of the timeline from the news archive searches. I used to find that extremely useful. You could easily search for a term, then narrow down the date visually by clicking the year, then the month.
    Now you've just got raw results that you can only sort ascending or descending, but you've got no idea where clumps of stories may occur or anything like that.

    1. Re:Stop trying to tell us what you think we want by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2

      I think you're right in that Google's results are going downhill. The problem is, in my mind, no one else is improving. I'd consider Bing if the results were better. Duck Duck Go is pretty good but still comes nearer Bing than Google and more importantly, searching for non-US content can be a pain even when specifically using identifiers like UK in the query.

      I very much appreciate the whole idea of non-personalised results, the lack of bubbling, etc but in the case of DDG it's only really convenient if you're living in the US.

    2. Re:Stop trying to tell us what you think we want by SEWilco · · Score: 2

      About two months ago I was searching for something, and I remember being annoyed enough with the results that google was posting to go try searching on Bing *shudder*

      The problem was, despite using quotes, google was not searching the exact term I had entered. It was two months ago so I don't remember the exact term, but the problem was of the nature where it was modifying the end of the word. In that case it was making a significant enough change that I wasn't remotely finding what I wanted, despite the quotes.

      ...

      A few months ago, Google decided to ignore quotation marks. Ick. The tool you want is Verbatim Search, but to reach it you have to do a search, click on "More search tools", then click on "Verbatim".

    3. Re:Stop trying to tell us what you think we want by jhoff · · Score: 2

      Quotes should be sacrosanct. I've been in a similar situation where Google "corrects" what I've got in quotes and as a result can't find anything relevant. It drove me NUTS. There's just no work-around for it For the life of me I couldn't find a way to get results for my actual search query. Thinking you know what the user wants better than the user is a Microsoft-style blunder. Apple gets away with that shit because they have a niche market that *wants* it. Google should be better than that.

      If anyone wants a specific example, go to image search and try to search for "suchi". Wikipedia claims this is how you spell the name of the monkey from Captain planet (IT CAME UP, OK?). Google, however, ignores my quotes and searches for "Sushi" every time.

      Also I sometimes do a web search in quotes and it will return "Showing results for Someshityoutotallydidn'ttypebutwethinkyoumayhavemeant to type. Did you mean "Shityouactaullytyped?" Search for "Shityouactaullytyped instead" and I have to click to get my results. Screw you Google. It's one thing to second-guess me and offer me the alternate search if you think I didn't mean to search for what I wanted to search for--but you should NEVER EVER show me a different search result if there were results for my actual search. I don't need my search engine assuming I'm an idiot.

      I work on this sort of thing at Google. I'm sorry you've had bad experiences where we misunderstand your intent.

      Words and phrases in quotes are indeed sacrosanct. In the case of image searching for "suchi," there's a simple problem -- websites that misspelled "sushi"! Look at the sushi roll from directorio.inforito.com: it's titled "suchi.jpg". This is the sort of challenge we have to work on. How do we tell the difference between "suchi" that is a spelling error and legitimate instances of "suchi," e.g., Indian radio personality "Suchitra, known affectionately as Suchi"?

      Also, I hear your frustration on Google auto-correcting your query. Our statistics show that we get our users their results faster millions of times a day by "showing results for" the corrected query when our spelling system is extremely confident. Of course, the system is not 100% accurate. So it's a tradeoff. We tune the precision-recall curve aggressively in favor of precision to minimize the frustrating experiences.

      Last year, responding to feedback from users, we introduced "Verbatim" mode, which disables all spelling/stemming/synonyms. You can find it under "More search tools" on the left.

      If you ever have a search where we're misunderstanding your intent, and you'd like to help us improve, click the "Give us feedback" link at the bottom of the results page. My team will get it.

  17. Let's start with TekGoblin by afabbro · · Score: 4, Informative

    Seriously, why not link the source instead of some spammy blog?

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  18. Let's hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I manage around 350 sites. Daily I get calls from Seo companies that claim to have a "relationship" with Google. I fight tooth and nail to have our mantra be "when someone clicks a link in search, they aren't sorry they arrived at one of our sites" It is disheartening when we are evaluating our search results that we find the first page littered with sites that are keyword packed. with 100's of back links from sites who's only reason for existence is for seo. I hope Google is serious about this. Good, relevant content and a well designed site should trump everything else. Don't get me started on the "cherry pick" and automated review services like Demand Force" That is another thing Google needs to get on their radar.