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Physicists Discover Evolutionary Laws of Language

Hugh Pickens writes "Christopher Shea writes in the WSJ that physicists studying Google's massive collection of scanned books claim to have identified universal laws governing the birth, life course and death of words, marking an advance in a new field dubbed 'Culturomics': the application of data-crunching to subjects typically considered part of the humanities. Published in Science, their paper gives the best-yet estimate of the true number of words in English — a million, far more than any dictionary has recorded (the 2002 Webster's Third New International Dictionary has 348,000), with more than half of the language considered 'dark matter' that has evaded standard dictionaries (PDF). The paper tracked word usage through time (each year, for instance, 1% of the world's English-speaking population switches from 'sneaked' to 'snuck') and found that English continues to grow at a rate of 8,500 new words a year. However the growth rate is slowing, partly because the language is already so rich, the 'marginal utility' of new words is declining. Another discovery is that the death rates for words is rising, largely as a matter of homogenization as regional words disappear and spell-checking programs and vigilant copy editors choke off the chaotic variety of words much more quickly, in effect speeding up the natural selection of words. The authors also identified a universal 'tipping point' in the life cycle of new words: Roughly 30 to 50 years after their birth, words either enter the long-term lexicon or tumble off a cliff into disuse and go '23 skidoo' as children either accept or reject their parents' coinages."

287 comments

  1. Scrabble by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anyone that has played Scrabble (especially against a computer) know that there's tons of words out there that no one has ever heard of, most of which you can't even find a definition for. What the hell is a Qi? I don't know, but I can get 66 points for it.

    1. Re:Scrabble by vlm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem with Qi is its about as "english language" as Shinjitai

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    2. Re:Scrabble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's a show on BBC2.

    3. Re:Scrabble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Grammar, which in many ways is more important, was not even mentioned. I'm seeing more grammatical errors and incorrect usage every day on television and the Internet news media, such as "I seen", "he don't" and "I have went", by supposedly educated news reporters.

    4. Re:Scrabble by neokushan · · Score: 2

      Was this Fox News, perchance?

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    5. Re:Scrabble by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      What the hell is a Qi?

      It's one of two common transliterations of a Chinese word that roughly translates as life energy. The other is Chi. Neither is a valid word under the rules of Scrabble, which restricts you to English words. Note that this doesn't prevent it from appearing in the official Scrabble dictionary, along with a large number of other words that the rules would disallow. Transliterations of Greek letters (such as pi, mu, tau) are also allowed by the Scrabble word list, but not by any reasonable reading of the rules. If you allow qi, then you can basically allow any foreign word that someone might use in an English sentence (by the same logic, the fact that people say 'je ne sais quoi' in English conversations means that quoi would be a valid Scrabble word).

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    6. Re:Scrabble by Taibhsear · · Score: 1

      Qi
      Just sayin'...

    7. Re:Scrabble by nusuth · · Score: 2

      Life essence, alternative spelling of Chi? This is /. people, get you Qi straight:

      Qi is a great lisp. It has a Turing complete, extensible type system and pattern matching like modern functional languages. It has a kernel called KI which is ported to classical lisps, clojure and javascript. Anything that has KI ported can be used for compilation of Qi compiler. The compiler generates code into host language and resulting code usually fast.

      It is currently in great flux so I don't recommend actually using it. However it is an interesting language.

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    8. Re:Scrabble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'je ne sais quoi'

      ... does that translate to?

    9. Re:Scrabble by snowgirl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was all prepared to note that most of what people call grammatical errors are not actually errors in grammar, but of style or register... then you have to go and break out examples of actual grammatical errors...

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    10. Re:Scrabble by voidphoenix · · Score: 1

      Literally, "I don't know what", figuratively, like an x-factor (as used to describe, say, fashion models or actors, and not the comic-book mutant kind). Ah hell, Merriam-Webster, Free Dictionary, Wiktionary explain it better...

    11. Re:Scrabble by bfields · · Score: 1

      I've heard English speakers use "qi" in English sentences, but can't ever recall hearing anyone use "quoi" on its own in an English sentence, so until we get an ascii-32 tile I think Scrabble is safe from "je ne sais quoi".

      Words are imported from other languages all the time, and it's a judgement call when to start calling them English words. For a game like Scrabble where you need a black-and-white decision in each case, that means the only way to have a complete set of rules is to agree on a dictionary. There will be inevitably be cases where someone could dispute a dictionary's choices.

      What rule do you think would disallow "pi"? I have a hard time with that, especially on Slashdot, especially around this time of year. And people really do write it "pi", at least as often as the actual Greek character, and not just because they have trouble finding the latter on the their keyboards.

    12. Re:Scrabble by donscarletti · · Score: 1

      Same "qi" as "qi gong", but different "chi" to "tai chi". In Hanyu Pinyin, the system that uses the spelling "qi", "tai chi" is spelled "taiji". The two words are quite different in pronunciation.

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    13. Re:Scrabble by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      La-di-da-di-da, La-di-da-di-da, what's the name of that song?

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    14. Re:Scrabble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      It's a show on BBC2.

      That shouldn't be modded funny but informative because it is true. It stands for Quite interesting.

    15. Re:Scrabble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's one of two common transliterations of a Chinese word that roughly translates as life energy. The other is Chi. Neither is a valid word under the rules of Scrabble, which restricts you to English words.

      Fail: The word "qi" is most assuredly on the TWL and is a perfectly valid Scrabble word:

      http://www.hasbro.com/scrabble/en_US/quList.cfm

    16. Re:Scrabble by bfields · · Score: 1

      "The Scrabble word that bothers me is "aa". I mean seriously."

      Why is this bothering you? Are you getting a little tense? Maybe it's time for a vacation somewhere? Hawaii is nice....

      English-speaking people live in enough different places and have sufficiently diverse cultures and interests that there will *always* be words that seem obviously common words to group X and obviously made up to group Y. If you need a hard-and-fast decision for something like a board game, then you have to choose some authority to make the word-by-word judgement call.

    17. Re:Scrabble by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      Hint: If you read the whole post before replying, then you don't seem like such an idiot.

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    18. Re:Scrabble by azalin · · Score: 1

      The ancient Chinese must have played a lot of Scrabble

      Wouldn't Chinese be a rather problematic language to natively play scrabble in? I have to admit that my knowledge of the Chinese alphabet is rather limited, but a written language made from syllables (bad) and complete word symbols (worse) might not be ideal to come up with a game like scrabble. Or does my lack of knowledge give me wrong ideas?
      Languages built on latin (or greek, or cyrilic, ...) letters just seem to work better.

    19. Re:Scrabble by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Shinjitai

      I thought it might be "I want to believe you" or "I believe you"? My Japanese is a bit rusty. Turns out it's neither of those. I was figuring it was some sort of weird conjugation of "shinjeru", haha...

    20. Re:Scrabble by Alomex · · Score: 1

      We play with the abridged Merriam-Webster and disallow any word labelled as archaic.This means that real words like votive are allowed, and thus you have just enlarged your vocabulary, but nearly all of the useless two-letter crud from the scrabble dictionary is out.

    21. Re:Scrabble by Ihmhi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Neither is a valid word under the rules of Scrabble, which restricts you to English words.

      What.

      You're a bit wrong there. Qi and Chi would both be "loanwords", i.e. words taken wholesale from another language, usually with no change in spelling or pronunciation. Here, try some others using the official Scrabble dictionary. I'll just throw together a short list, and you see how many of these aren't in there because they're technically not English words at all:

      hibachi (Japanese), karaoke (Japanese), cafeteria (Spanish), alpaca (Spanish), gulag (Russian), taiga (Russian), wiener (German), kraut (German), moped (Swedish), brogue (Irish).

      There's ten different words from six different languages. Only one of that list is not in there - and it will be as surprising to you which one is not in the dictionary as it was to me.

      I get what you're saying, the "je ne sais quoi" example is a good one. But there are certain words from other languages we use that have pretty much been adopted into the language, especially for concepts we really don't have or can explain as concisely. Granted, some you may have never heard - usually only marital artists could describe what a kiai or kata is, for example - but we have loads of loanwords that are in everyday use in our language. (It personally makes me cringe when people say "hibachi" (hee-bah-chee) and "karaoke" (kah-rah-o-kay) and mangle the Japanese pronunciations, but that's accents for you. The Japanes hilariously mispronounce English words sometimes too, and they certainly misuse our words a lot of the time as well - surely some sort of revenge for all of those trendy kanji tattoos that so many of us Westerners like getting on our bodies.)

      Incidentally, "qi" is in the Scrabble dictionary - at least according to the one on the Hasbro website (which I have linked above).

    22. Re:Scrabble by MaWeiTao · · Score: 1

      How about the common misuse of fewer and less.

    23. Re:Scrabble by Quirkz · · Score: 3, Funny
      Low and Bee-Holed: or In the Daze of Your

      Now I don't want to be pidgin holed as one of those P-brains (or pee brains, even) who gets too obsessed over a little thing like spelling, when for all intensive purposes we can usually understand each other well enough, but sometimes you're words really due matter.

      Aisle admit to some fussiness. I apparently have a deep-seeded need to correct verbal foe paws when I see them, ranging from stray apostrophe's to unnecessary quotes put around 'words' for emphasis, but as the mourning star shines, what really makes me cry grate crocodile tiers of frustration is the spelling error. Even when I'm not a steak-holder in the matter, such as someone else's conversation on a discussion bored (you really think they'd be more exciting), I still feel the kneed to make corrections. Old King Coal was a merry old sole, but apparently I'm a reel stickler for details.

      Whether it's big causes like visualizing whirled peas or helping those starving euthanasia, down to the most miner house-holed conversations, proper communication is key. It *should* be as easy as pi, but four sum reason it's knot.

      For example, recently Eye replied to an appalling posting which red, "your in this country, learn the language" with an offer to make the poster the first deportee, but my suggestion only earned an unappreciative "yore a jerk." Their may be a colonel of truth to that, but I still think it was the foolish poster who looked bad for making such a silly mistake. You simply can't expect someone to take you seriously while you're talking about a title wave, or a device that scans for finger prince, or most especially if you're trying to peek customer interest in a sneak peak of your product. Precise spelling gets a bad wrap at times, but you'll be mocked if you mangle the lyrics to Comma Chameleon, and calling someone a no-nothing will only cause readers to glance askance at the extent of your own knowledge (unless the principal of the double negative means you really intended to call him a "something-something," which may be fare game.)

      In the same vain, if you try to take the reigns, be prepared for "your royal highness" jokes — far less likely to get any kings or queens than jokers and lumbar jacks. As the great barred once said, "Two bee, ore not too B." Or was that a line from The Malty's Falcon? I always get those too mixed up.

      But that pails in comparison to the thyme my brother warned me to (and you'll have to pardon my French here) "look out for the big asshole" in the parking lot, and as I looked around for an improperly behaving pedestrian or vehicle, I ran through the big-ass pothole that he'd been trying to point out.

      Now some may argue that the time spent trying to be precise is waisted if other people can figure it out anyway, but in my mind it's shear arrogance to save yourself the trouble of doing the thinking if it puts the burden on the other party. If you don't have your queue stick lined up with the Q ball, don't make it *my* fault when your intentions go awry. Even if you have the best can-dew, never-say-dye attitude, I refuse to let your accross-the-bored misspellings make a lyre of me.

      Mostly it's the principal of the thing (have I used principal already? My apologies if the repetition wares on you), that if you have a capitol idea to share butt know-buddy is abel to understand it, then you mite ass whale not bother.

    24. Re:Scrabble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shinjirarenai

    25. Re:Scrabble by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Neither is a valid word under the rules of Scrabble, which restricts you to English words.

      That would be true if it wasn't false.

      My Official Scrabble Dictionary lists qi as a valid word.

      If you allow qi, then you can basically allow any foreign word that someone might use in an English sentence

      Once it's commonly used within English, is is an English word -- I once had a guy from France ask for the English word for 'gourmet'. I had to explain to him that we liked their word so much, we stole it. :-P

      While it's true that not all foreign words are valid English, we've imported an awful lot of words without making any changes.

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    26. Re:Scrabble by jd · · Score: 3, Funny

      Normally I oppose the death penalty but I think that for grammar errors, it would be too good for the culprit.

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    27. Re:Scrabble by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Anyone that has played Scrabble (especially against a computer) know that there's tons of words out there that no one has ever heard of, most of which you can't even find a definition for.

      Look in the Oxford English Dictionary or OED. The full edition has more than 600,000 definitions in 20 volumes. It takes all that space giving the etymology, historical formation, or origins of words. I found my spelling of time as "tyme" in the OED.

      What the hell is a Qi? I don't know, but I can get 66 points for it

      "Qi" is one of the alternate spellings for the Asian word for the circulating life energy in all living things. Other spellings are "chi" and "ki".

      Falcon

    28. Re:Scrabble by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      I'll just throw together a short list, and you see how many of these aren't in there because they're technically not English words at all:
      [snip] moped (Swedish),

      Depends on how you pronounce "moped." Think of not smiling :-)

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    29. Re:Scrabble by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The official scrabble word list includes a lot of words that don't match the criteria in the rules and also quite a few that don't even appear in any English dictionary I've checked. I

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    30. Re:Scrabble by radtea · · Score: 1

      If you allow qi, then you can basically allow any foreign word that someone might use in an English sentence (by the same logic, the fact that people say 'je ne sais quoi' in English conversations means that quoi would be a valid Scrabble word).

      Every word is an English word. "Pukka sushi, effendi" is a perfectly valid English sentence, for example (even the spell-checker on this thing likes it.)

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    31. Re:Scrabble by radtea · · Score: 1

      While it's true that not all foreign words are valid English, we've imported an awful lot of words without making any changes.

      This is a common mistake. In fact, all "foreign" words are valid English. Some of them are just spoken by people who use different grammars. Although one of my Russian friends once told me, "English has no grammar," so I guess we need to make up in vocabulary what we lack in grammar.

      But the point still stands: the barrier to entry for words into the English language is fantastically low compared to almost all other languages.

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    32. Re:Scrabble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try playing Hangman in Chinese or Japanese.

    33. Re:Scrabble by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Same "qi" as "qi gong", but different "chi" to "tai chi". In Hanyu Pinyin, the system that uses the spelling "qi", "tai chi" is spelled "taiji".

      You are absolutely correct. I was being lazy in my explanation.

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    34. Re:Scrabble by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Hawaii is nice....

      Except what's with the "ii" at the end of Hawaii? And is it a "w" or a "v" ?

      No, I have to vacation somewhere with a name that is not an affront to my sensibilities, like Ballachulish or Bhatarsaigh. The highlands are nice this time of year, and I can get a proper single-malt whiskey to boot.

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    35. Re:Scrabble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone that has played Scrabble (especially against a computer) know that there's tons of words out there that no one has ever heard of, most of which you can't even find a definition for. What the hell is a Qi? I don't know, but I can get 66 points for it.

      Qi=chi=ki and now you know :)

    36. Re:Scrabble by Dr.+Gamera · · Score: 1

      Only one of that list is not in there - and it will be as surprising to you which one is not in the dictionary as it was to me.

      It should not surprise you; nine-letter root words are not supposed to be in the OSPD, though a few slipped in by mistake.

    37. Re:Scrabble by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      The "moped" I was specifically referring to is the one that makes you go "brum brum i has a moped" in your head. Well, at least I do.

    38. Re:Scrabble by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Eye Here Yah; its a tuff road to hoe. Your doing ride by it. Keep towing the line.

    39. Re:Scrabble by xandroid · · Score: 1

      QI is in both big English language Scrabble dictionarie (one's used in American competition plus some random place, the other used everywhere else), along with the *three* alternate spellings: CHI, KI, KHI

      Really, though, if we want to talk about strange foreign words that are in our Scrabble dictionaries, we need to start talking about XU and HAO and ZAIRE and whatnot.

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    40. Re:Scrabble by xandroid · · Score: 1

      ...and also CHI and KHI.

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    41. Re:Scrabble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grammar errors != spelling errors.

    42. Re:Scrabble by mcswell · · Score: 1

      I ain't seen, I only heard; but just to be sociable, I'll take your word.

      But all seriousness aside, what makest thou think that "I seen" is in error? Wouldst thou that we all spake Shakespeare's English? If not, prithee what be wrong with "he don't"? Forsooth after some years more shall it be the new way to speak the Queen's English.

      Or mayhaps thou shouldst see if Chaucher hath yet a blog.

    43. Re:Scrabble by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      It's easy to turn café or féte into cafeteria.

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    44. Re:Scrabble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only we had é in Scrabble.

    45. Re:Scrabble by cffrost · · Score: 1

      [...] I can get a proper single-malt whiskey to boot.

      That's funny. I use ethanol to shut down.

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    46. Re:Scrabble by lennier · · Score: 1

      "Qi" is one of the alternate spellings for the Asian word for the circulating life energy in all living things. Other spellings are "chi" and "ki".

      Come on now, surely we all know that a Ki is a D'ni smartphone used in Uru.

      What? You all remember Uru, don't you?

      (crickets)

      (cries)

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    47. Re:Scrabble by Capsaicin · · Score: 2

      then you have to go and break out examples of actual grammatical errors...

      And there was I, thinking a "grammatical error" was a failure of a grammar to account for observed usage. ;)

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    48. Re:Scrabble by s.t.a.l.k.e.r._loner · · Score: 1

      Qi is in the Scrabble dictionary, fine. But can we all at least agree that just slapping a "Q" onto a DL or TL tile next to a random "i" is in fact a dick move?

    49. Re:Scrabble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gypsy Woman

    50. Re:Scrabble by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Good one.

      Just so you know, I plan on using that line. I'll give you full attribution.

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    51. Re:Scrabble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > It's easy to turn café or féte into cafeteria.

      Yep. Just add a buffet line. :)

    52. Re:Scrabble by eriqk · · Score: 1

      What the hell is a Qi? I don't know, but I can get 66 points for it.

      Qi is an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the Galaxy together.

    53. Re:Scrabble by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      I thought that was midichlorians.

    54. Re:Scrabble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since he obviously read your entire post, commenting upon both the beginning and the ending, he's not the one who seems like an idiot.

    55. Re:Scrabble by eriqk · · Score: 1

      We (TINW) prefer not to speak of such vile revisionism.

    56. Re:Scrabble by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Try again. I specifically said that these words were in the official scrabble word list, to which he replied 'Fail: these words are in the official scrabble word list.'

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    57. Re:Scrabble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hibachi (Japanese), karaoke (Japanese), cafeteria (Spanish), alpaca (Spanish), gulag (Russian), taiga (Russian), wiener (German), kraut (German), moped (Swedish), brogue (Irish).

      There's ten different words from six different languages. Only one of that list is not in there - and it will be as surprising to you which one is not in the dictionary as it was to me.

      Is it "wiener"? I bet it's "wiener", right?

    58. Re:Scrabble by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      STFU, looser.

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    59. Re:Scrabble by Meski · · Score: 1

      Removal of tongue and hands. Let's see them commit grammatical errors if they cannot speak or write.

    60. Re:Scrabble by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      I got zebu last night for 72. 66 for Qi is pretty amazing.

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    61. Re:Scrabble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry but this thread i HILIARIOUS.

      I'm a linguist. You guys are all saying really weird things.

      QI is an abbreviation for quite interesting - a show on bbc2. It's also a term for the force within us, a loanword from mandarin chinese.

      You guys are priceless!

    62. Re:Scrabble by Dr.+Gamera · · Score: 1

      It's easy to turn café or féte into cafeteria.

      So it is; heck, it's possible to play "benzoxycamphors" in Scrabble. But for nine-letter and longer root words, you turn to a source other than the OSPD.

    63. Re:Scrabble by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      The problem with Qi is its about as "english language" as Shinjitai.

      ... which doesn't matter in the slightest. If the word is in the reference dictionary that you agreed on at the start of the game, and isn't flagged as an acronym (some local rulesets may not insist on that ; there are variants of the game, played with the same equipment according to local rules), then the word is valid to use.

      Would you expect "Le Scrabble" to insist on the words being English, if the players are French.

      I almost wonder what the French (or other language) rules are for things like diacritic marks. Or if tile sets are available in non-Latin character sets such as Cyrillic? Probably.

      Seems so.

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    64. Re:Scrabble by nobodie · · Score: 1

      Actualy, i have played it in Dutch where there is a remarkable difference in number of available letters. For example there are more "g" and "h" letters, as well as "j" for the Dutch version.

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    65. Re:Scrabble by amake · · Score: 1

      Without more information, "shinjitai" could be either "(I) want to believe" or it could be what the parent was referring to, e.g. the kanji variants currently in use in modern-day Japan.

    66. Re:Scrabble by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Different tile frequencies - and presumably values too? Makes sense.

      I used to have a friend who was a serious Scrabbler (I suspect that he's got unwell since I met him regularly). He would probably have enjoyed the challenge of winning at Scrabble, played in for example English, but with Dutch letter frequencies and scores.

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  2. I hate "snuck" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That stupid word always drived me crazy.

    1. Re:I hate "snuck" by martas · · Score: 1

      I see AC snuck in a comment again. (Also I just learned that Chrome doesn't consider 'snuck' a word... And here I thought it was more common than 'sneaked', which sounds weird to me.)

    2. Re:I hate "snuck" by neokushan · · Score: 1

      Firefox's English (UK) dictionary also doesn't recognise "snuck". Then again, it doesn't recognise "Firefox", either (But the US dictionary does - still no-go on "Snuck" though).

      I actually hadn't noticed that before, but I agree with the above poster - "sneaked" sounds weird and wrong to me, "snuck" is what I've always used and heard others use.

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    3. Re:I hate "snuck" by martas · · Score: 2

      Yeah, it seems that while 'sneaked' is older and more likely to be considered THE true version by any authority that accepts only one of the two, 'snuck' seems more natural to many people and is gaining ground in all English speaking countries, even in newspapers (e.g. much more common in Canadian newspapers than 'sneaked').

    4. Re:I hate "snuck" by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      As someone born in the UK and moved to the US. Words like Sneaked/Snuck I use both.

      I've found when I'm talking about events in the past- especially my childhood I will use the English version of the word- when I'm talking about more recent versions of the word I'll use the American version of the word.

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    5. Re:I hate "snuck" by chilvence · · Score: 3, Interesting

      All languages evolve like this. The only reason we feel the need to fixate them on a standard is it gives a pretence of security. The rules themselves are just a long winded way of trying to legitimise the eccentricity of a language (English) pasted together from various other European languages. Our words are disparate, our Italian alphabet is lacking several letters and our accent changes every five miles down the road in a country of 80 million. Occasionally, we are lucky enough to get away with flouting the rules without being shot down by some jobsworth pedant. There will never be any kind of reform from the top down, if that were possible in any way whatsoever there would be no French 'weekend' for sure.

      You want to put the rules in perspective, consider the many millions of human beings to come that are born into the world all thinking the same thing: 'frankly, I could not give a toss about cultural heritage mammy, now where is my coke and crisps please?'. If you don't want to be paddling a canoe up a waterfall the rest of your life, then it is much more pragmatic to be relaxed about such matters, because people are much more willing to respect convention when they are not beaten over the head with it.

    6. Re:I hate "snuck" by gomiam · · Score: 1

      people are much more willing to respect convention when they are not beaten over the head with it.

      My (anecdotical, of coure) experience is that people not willing to respect language convention aren't usually willing to do it in any case. It's the ones willing to listen to a suggestion I'm interested in.

    7. Re:I hate "snuck" by N!k0N · · Score: 1

      It's like people who spell "led'" like "lead" because they've seen it that way so many times...

      When the guide was injured, she took the lead and led the hikers out of the woods ^_^

    8. Re:I hate "snuck" by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 4, Funny

      That stupid word always drived me crazy.

      Yeeeaaaah!

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    9. Re:I hate "snuck" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, languages evolve - but that doesn't mean you get to redefine established usage on a whim.

      If you don't know the rule (or can't remember it), you look like an idiot. If you know the rule and break it anyway (without evident clever wordplay) you look like an idiot.

      Like I said, the standards exist for a reason.

    10. Re:I hate "snuck" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Occasionally, we are lucky enough to get away with flaunting the rules...

      FTFY. HAND.

    11. Re:I hate "snuck" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ("overrated" my ass... crackhead mods have a problem with hearing the truth)

    12. Re:I hate "snuck" by Rising+Ape · · Score: 1

      Why does it seem more natural though? -ed is the regular past tense ending, and there aren't any other verbs that spring to mind with an -eek -> -uck sound change for the past tense.

    13. Re:I hate "snuck" by martas · · Score: 1

      Hey, what about speak -> spuck? Don't tell me you actually say "speaked"? But seriously, I agree, it's completely irrational.... But it sounds right! "The Congressman snuck in the unconsitutional rider into the extremely popular bill at the last second", or "he snuck into his daughter's bedroom after his wife was sound asleep from the pills he snuck into her late night snack..." See, natural!

    14. Re:I hate "snuck" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whose rules? Maybe you rely on Oxford but the majority of native English speakers in the world have no central language authority and are quite prone to dialect.

    15. Re:I hate "snuck" by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      At a minimum, stability is needed in contracts and laws. I suppose that's part of the reason that some legal terms have a meaning divorced from everyday usage.

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    16. Re:I hate "snuck" by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      Speak = spoke. So sneak = snoke?

    17. Re:I hate "snuck" by martas · · Score: 1

      ... OK, I'm saying "snoke" from now on.

  3. "Universal laws"? by Shortgeek · · Score: 0, Troll

    This looks like really interesting and important research - perhaps even a tenth as important as these physicists think it is!

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    1. Re:"Universal laws"? by buchner.johannes · · Score: 4, Funny

      This looks like really interesting and important research - perhaps even a tenth as important as these physicists think it is!

      What physicists do when they are bored ... take away research from other fields

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    2. Re:"Universal laws"? by martas · · Score: 1

      Definitely not as important as making sarcastic comments on slashdot . Whoa, this is some meta shit right here!

    3. Re:"Universal laws"? by martas · · Score: 2

      Related: I recently learned that a large portion of the PhD's working at a particular Google office have astrophysics degrees. Go figure.

    4. Re:"Universal laws"? by allcar · · Score: 5, Informative

      Bringing mathematical rigour to fields of research where it has previously been ignored can clearly provide some interesting insights.

    5. Re:"Universal laws"? by Tsingi · · Score: 1

      What physicists do when they are bored ... take away research from other fields

      My thoughts exactly. Would this not fall under anthropology?

      That's about as far from physics as it gets.

    6. Re:"Universal laws"? by zill · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well obviously Google employees working in their moon office would have astrophysics degrees.

      (As an aside: that page is the second hit for googling "google jobs" for some reason.)

    7. Re:"Universal laws"? by FrootLoops · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Bringing mathematical rigour...

      Physicists are widely known for their lack of mathematical rigor. David Hilbert, perhaps the most influential mathematician of the 20th century (who incidentally discovered Einstein's field equations before Einstein, though who was also nice enough not to get into a priority dispute since most of the work leading up to the discovery was Einstein's), is often quoted as saying some variation on, "Physics is too difficult for physicists!" His meaning was apparently that the mathematics required to rigorously justify assertions in advanced physics is often beyond the reach (or inclination) of physicists. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, by the way, but it indicates the traditional lack of rigor in physicist's math.

      The paper itself says,

      We use concepts from economics to gain quantitative
      insights into the role of exogenous factors on the evolution
      of language, combined with methods from statistical
      physics to quantify the competition arising from correlations
      between words and the memory-driven autocorrelations
      in u_i(t) across time.

      Perhaps "Bringing quantitative statistical analysis..." is a better phrase.

    8. Re:"Universal laws"? by rwise2112 · · Score: 1

      Well -- Ever heard of Google Moon and Google Mars?

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    9. Re:"Universal laws"? by Certhas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not surprising really. What does an astrophysicist do? Point hyper sensitive instruments at random portions of the sky and generate humongous data sets that need heavy processing to extract structure and meaning. A really large part of Astrophysics these days is data analysis, almost all of it done with automated codes.

      Which is for example why Renaissance Technology has a lot of Astrophysicists on board as well.

    10. Re:"Universal laws"? by Kyont · · Score: 3, Funny

      All this reminds me of when a mathematician, a physicist, and an engineer were told of a man who is across the room from a woman and moves half the remaining distance to the woman every minute. The mathematician said, "The man will never reach the woman." The physicist said, "In twenty minutes the man will be within an atomic radius of the woman and can be said to have reached her." The engineer said, "No problem, in five minutes that guy will be close enough for all practical purposes."

      Please adjust this joke to the sexual proclivities of your audience as needed.

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    11. Re:"Universal laws"? by mrbester · · Score: 1

      That's just a reworking of Zeno's paradox.

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    12. Re:"Universal laws"? by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      Please adjust this joke to the sexual proclivities of your audience as needed.

      Haha, thanks. I already did ;)

    13. Re:"Universal laws"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, in this case, they are doing the equivalent of a linguist turning to a physicist and saying "hey, look what I found out! Things fall DOWN!" There is nothing startlingly new here.

    14. Re:"Universal laws"? by emilper · · Score: 1

      No, they just rediscover what was common knowledge in other linguistics, but so uninteresting and unimportant that nobody bothers to put videos about it on youtube . I'm waiting for them to discover phonetic drift, that is really interesting and important, and could do with some computational lovin'.

      in other news, a team of linguists discovered the law of universal gravitation

    15. Re:"Universal laws"? by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      Physicists are mathematically rigorous to everyone but mathematicians.

    16. Re:"Universal laws"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While you are correct and physicists really lack rigour, I still think it is a great thing. Physicists, in general, try to discover how things work, and use as much mathematics as they need. They're not always correct, but when they are, that also leads to improvement in Mathematics itself. Take Dirac's delta, for example. Dirac needed a function with the behaviour of the impulse, but that can't -- rigorously -- exist as a function. He did it anyway and was mostly right. Later, mathematicians took the concept and developed functional analysis, which has rigour. I expect something like that could happen here and in other cases.

    17. Re:"Universal laws"? by canajin56 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not that similar, actually. In the above "paradox", you have a sum of the total distance covered after x time. If they were 10 feet a part, then after x minutes it is 5 + 2.5 + 1.25 + ... until you have x terms. As x goes to infinity, this sum will approach the full 10 feet. So the math is right, never will 10 feet be reached. And so the physics/engineering joke is fine, technically they will not meet following those rules, but there's always a point of "close enough". The rule itself is impossible to follow, though.

      In Zeno's paradox of Achilles and the tortoise, it works like this. The tortoise is say moving at 1 foot per second, and is 10 feet ahead. Achilles moves at 10 feet per second (~7mph), so after 1 second he will reach the point where the tortoise is now. But after that 1 second the tortoise will be another foot head, so Achilles must take another 0.1 seconds to reach the new point, but in that 0.1 seconds the tortoise has moved again, and so on forever, with the next step taking 0.01 seconds but still not catching the tortoise. Even if you allow for the physics/engineering "close enough" at no point is Achilles EVER past the tortoise, only "close enough" to call him "caught up". The reason this is different is that x terms in the sum no longer take exactly x minutes, since each term is over a shorter time as well as a shorter distance. If you take the limits on the infinite sum, the distance between them goes to 0, and the total amount of time goes to a finite number, not infinity (in this case, that finite number is 1 and 1/9 second, exactly what you get if you just ask how long it takes a person going 9 feet per second to cross the original 10 foot distance). Mathematically there is no problem with taking a finite amount of time to go a finite distance, so there is no paradox, the equation works out exactly when Achilles catches up to the tortoise. It's not a time reachable in the sums you came up with to describe it, but it's still a finite time. Where in the dance paradox above, the time it takes to reach 0 distance IS infinite.

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    18. Re:"Universal laws"? by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Yes, but in doing so, they're clearly taking away jobs from Americans.

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    19. Re:"Universal laws"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please adjust this joke to the sexual proclivities of your sister as needed.

      Done and done! :)

    20. Re:"Universal laws"? by tgv · · Score: 1

      Linguistics knows quite a bit of mathematics. Just look at Chomsky's work.

      Applying some random formulae to numeric observations on words doesn't make it linguistics.

    21. Re:"Universal laws"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Bringing quantitative statistical analysis..." " to fields of research where it has previously been ignored"

      Excuse me? Corpus linguistics has been around for quite a while now. It's not like physicist are the only ones doing quantitative studies. Come on, how stupid do you think we are? It's not like this hasn't been done before. Nigga puh-lease stop making predictions about fields you don't know anything about.

    22. Re:"Universal laws"? by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      I didn't mean to agree with the GP. I just meant to supply them with a better phrase for their (IMO faulty) point. Sorry that wasn't clear.

    23. Re:"Universal laws"? by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      I agree. As I said originally, "this isn't necessarily a bad thing, by the way".

  4. Pinning ... Going Steady ... Dating ... SO ... by Covalent · · Score: 1

    How many words are "created" by young people to replace their parents' generation's word for the same thing? I suspect that many of the "new" words are already covered, but teenagers want to sound cooler than their parents, or hide their true intentions from them.

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    1. Re:Pinning ... Going Steady ... Dating ... SO ... by Cazekiel · · Score: 2

      I remember an episode of 'Recess', a Saturday morn cartoon from the late 90's, where the main characters made up a word to replace swearing: whomps. It wasn't long before the school board dog-piled them, saying it wasn't allowed as they considered it a swear now since all the kids were using it to curse. It was a very interesting episode.

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    2. Re:Pinning ... Going Steady ... Dating ... SO ... by flirno · · Score: 1

      I remember thinking they were clever and something a joke that through repetition became the accepted norm. The teenagers that were my peers way back when definately had no motives outside of 'hey that's an entertaining way to express something'.

    3. Re:Pinning ... Going Steady ... Dating ... SO ... by mrbester · · Score: 2

      "Dog-pile" is pretty recent too. Viz magazine made up a new swear word "fitbin" to put on the front cover simply to point out to WHSmiths (who also used to put Private Eye on the top shelf because they thought it was an adult entertainment magazine simply because of the name) that their in-house censorship of titles was pathetic and Daily Mail-y in the extreme.

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    4. Re:Pinning ... Going Steady ... Dating ... SO ... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Like the word "punked". About 5 years ago I heard my mother-in-law use it.
      I asked her where she first heard it and she said when she was a teen. She's now 93.

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  5. 'Culturomics'? by camperdave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'Culturomics'? You'd think that people studying words would be able to come up with a better word than that.

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    1. Re:'Culturomics'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They wanted to sound more active than they really are, so they chose a word that sounds like a smart exercise regimen.

    2. Re:'Culturomics'? by wilgibson · · Score: 1

      My first look at the word and all I could think was morphologically unproductive. It has a strange sound to it when said, and IMO something better could have been found that would have given a better description of the "field". Oh well, this is what happens when a physicist is doing the job of a linguist.

    3. Re:'Culturomics'? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      Quantum Speech

      Linguistic Relativity

      Logodynamics

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    4. Re:'Culturomics'? by mattr · · Score: 1

      Computational linguistics and natural language processing, I thought.

    5. Re:'Culturomics'? by Fned · · Score: 1

      They already did: "Memetics."

    6. Re:'Culturomics'? by jd · · Score: 1

      Comparative Linguistics is the usual term used for, well, comparing languages (including the same language in different eras).

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    7. Re:'Culturomics'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Philology. That's the name of the field as practiced my Tolkein, Zammenhoff. You'd think that people studying words would know that there is an entire academic discipline for studying words.

  6. Physicists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would physicists be studying this kind of thing?

    Linguists? Etomologists, maybe? Sociologists for sure. But physicists?

    This must be some new definition of "physics" that I wasn't previously aware of.

    1. Re:Physicists? by zill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Everything in the world is just applied physics, except for mathematics.

    2. Re:Physicists? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why would physicists be studying this kind of thing?

      When you graduate with a PhD in physics, you get three things:

      • A piece of paper.
      • A true understanding of how little you understand about the universe.
      • An unshakable belief that any subject that is not physics is trivia and that you know more about it than people who have spent their lives studying it.

      The third means that you are obliged, at least once, to submit a paper about some other field to arxiv.org. Ideally, this paper should not cite any relevant research in the field - only other papers by physicists - and, for bonus points, should base its entire thesis a weak statistical correlation.

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    3. Re:Physicists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An unshakable belief that any subject that is not physics is trivia and that you know more about it than people who have spent their lives studying it.

      Pffff. I've had that since high school.

    4. Re:Physicists? by JamesP · · Score: 1

      How about no.

      This is what physicists think.

      But in several areas of nature (and technology), there are "layers of abstraction" that abstract physics away.

      Processor instruction sets have nothing to do with physics (apart from processor limitations, granted)

      Human language has barely nothing to do with physics, hence the variety of them

      Yeah, you can say that those have to do with physics but then, math has to do with physics, math notation has everything to do with how we can write, hold a pencil, and think symbols.

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    5. Re:Physicists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ...and there's and xkcd for it. I think it's cute that a bunch of physicists working at a software company examined a bunch of intertube postings and wrote a linguistics paper. Now that it's been published it'll be interesting to see the reaction from experts in the field.

  7. Just stop already by Zaldarr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Please. No more portmanteaus with -onomics on the end. I automatically think of Regan.

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    1. Re:Just stop already by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sounds like you should attend a class on Verbal Fatigonomics.

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    2. Re:Just stop already by vlm · · Score: 1

      Please. No more portmanteaus with -onomics on the end. I automatically think of Regan.

      The good news is stupid -onomics words based on Reganonomics from the 80s, means we may finally be seeing the end of my nemesis, the (insert any noun)-gate as the journalist name of any controversy involving a politician, which came from ancient history in the 70s.

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    3. Re:Just stop already by Smauler · · Score: 1
    4. Re:Just stop already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it's a scandal. Omicsgate, if you will.

    5. Re:Just stop already by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      This is -omics, not -onomics. It's a completely different set of portmanteau buzzwords.

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    6. Re:Just stop already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A post on the language, and 2 people can't even spell "Reagan" correctly. Pathetic.

    7. Re:Just stop already by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The other two daughters want a study also. Gonerilonomics. Cordeliaonomics.

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    8. Re:Just stop already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please. No more portmanteaus with -onomics on the end. I automatically think of Regan.

      Regan?

      A former premier of Nova Scotia?

      >;-]

  8. Dictionary size by Ed+Avis · · Score: 4, Informative

    The OED has about 600 thousand words, though still this is a lot less than a million. It would be interesting to see the most commonly used word that isn't in the dictionary.

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    1. Re:Dictionary size by zill · · Score: 1

      lol?

    2. Re:Dictionary size by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      Websters throws out words when they are unused ...OED does not once it's in it's in forever ...

      But a word needs to be in common printed use before it will be accepted in the OED, and is proved not to be an ephemeral word.... this probably accounts for the other 400,000 words they spotted, they will be ephemeral neologisms, common mis-spellings, and words not normally written down ...

      I suspect the most common word not in the dictionary that is in their list is either "thier" or "teh" ...

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    3. Re:Dictionary size by bityz · · Score: 1

      I'm so glad someone mentioned the OED. For an understanding of the history of English dictionaries read about Samuel Johnson and his "A Dictionary of the English Language". He began/entrenched the process of basing word definitions upon usage patterns.

    4. Re:Dictionary size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      santorum

    5. Re:Dictionary size by YaddaMinski · · Score: 1

      Boom, boom, boom.

  9. Some Advice by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anyone that has played Scrabble (especially against a computer) know that there's tons of words out there that no one has ever heard of, most of which you can't even find a definition for. What the hell is a Qi? I don't know, but I can get 66 points for it.

    Qi is a simple one, it's a two letter word and there are roughly a hundred two letter words accepted by TWL which are hackable. Qi is also something I've seen reading Chinese philosophy so that doesn't really upset me. The ones that really get me when I play against computers or people who cheat are actually the longer ones. Recently I have seen outgnawn, aliquot, mahoes, votive, the list goes on when your friends are using websites to look up permutations.

    You can study this stuff and memorize things like I-dumps: ziti, ilia, ixia, inion, etc. But in the end what really got my scores higher was studying the short 2 and 3 letter words and building thick crossword-like packs of words especially over TL tiles.

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    1. Re:Some Advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The ones that really get me when I play against computers or people who cheat are actually the longer ones.

      Cheat in what way? Having a better vocabulary than is good and proper? Or waiting until you're distracted and then looking in the dictionary?

    2. Re:Some Advice by ClioCJS · · Score: 5, Insightful

      votive? like candles? that's your example of an uncommon word? I was expecting a list of words i'd never heard of. Votive?!

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    3. Re:Some Advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      aliquot? talk to a chemist they know what it is

    4. Re:Some Advice by claybats · · Score: 1

      You included votive in your list of unused cheater words? I take it you are not Catholic.

    5. Re:Some Advice by gomiam · · Score: 2

      Aliquot (proportional) wasn't a surprise to me either. It is a mostly legal term, though.

    6. Re:Some Advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Also used in research labs labs
      Noun
      aliquot (plural aliquots)
              (chemistry, biotechnology) a portion of a total amount of a solution or suspension.

      In biological experiments, particularly when using expensive ingredients you often take an aliquot of the reagent (enzyme DNA polymerase ect) for your use to prevent contaminating the original tube and/or to allow you to dilute it for use or easer measurement later.

    7. Re:Some Advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Er, these apps are now played over mobile devices on a mass scale ....

    8. Re:Some Advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Aliquot, really? Take a chemistry class, you ignorant savage.

    9. Re:Some Advice by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 4, Informative
      Aliquots are also parts on a piano that separate the speaking (struck) length of the string from the non-speaking portion (duplex scaling), or in some pianos are an extra 4th unstruck string that adds harmonics through sympathetic resonance.

      As a piano player/retailer, that was my first thought, chemists be damned. :P

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    10. Re:Some Advice by smellsofbikes · · Score: 4, Informative

      Aliquot (proportional) wasn't a surprise to me either. It is a mostly legal term, though.

      It's a term used daily in any chemistry lab, and regularly in chemistry classes, as well.

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    11. Re:Some Advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I particularly like using the word "cwm", and if I get a chance to pull that off, usually get a few comments along the lines of "oh what the hell?!?".

      However, if you're familiar with mountains or mountaineering, it's a common word. A lot of "uncommon" words are only uncommon due to unfamiliarity, but are ridicuously common to those in that field or industry.

    12. Re:Some Advice by glop · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thanks, I always knew that my time on Slashdot was not a waste and that I was in fact visiting a true temple of knowledge!

    13. Re:Some Advice by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Used to work in a chemistry lab an 'aliquot' was used all of the time.

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    14. Re:Some Advice by vnaughtdeltat · · Score: 1

      I gave up on a game of Words with Friends when my random opponent showed himself to be clearly cheating. He played 'INSMST'. I've been completely unable to find evidence for this word's existence anywhere else in the world.

      It also strengthened my conviction when I googled the rando's username and found that 70% of the first page of results was that username on lists of people who were banned from various gaming communities for cheating.

    15. Re:Some Advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, yes. Votive is a type of candle used in religious ceremony

    16. Re:Some Advice by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't allow "cwm"- it's a Welsh word, and I've never seen it used in English in that spelling. "Coombe" is what I'd consider the English loan word. I would demand a dictionary challenge, good sir!

    17. Re:Some Advice by Meski · · Score: 1

      If they really cheated, they'd googlebomb[1] something else onto first page of google for a search of their name.

      [1] probably not quite the right term for this, but you get it.

    18. Re:Some Advice by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      I managed to get an eight letter word that covered two triple words last week. I was an object of ridicule for hours.

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    19. Re:Some Advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hi you definitely have a point, with most of those words, people memorise silly ones that don't know what they mean or randomly try letters until one is accepted. However as a scientist aliquot is definitely a word that's used multiple times a day in my field, an aliquot is usually a small amount of liquid taken from a stock solution and stored separately. Pouring cordial or squash into a glass could be called pouring an aliquot :) that you then dilute to a working solution and drink it :). anyway maybe some of these words are used and common but in different sectors and fields?

  10. Applies to software development too by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    Why use something that already exists when you can re-invent the wheel.
     

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  11. Librarian Discovers Dark Matter Under Carpet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...Grand Unification Theory of Cosmology Proven.

  12. Organizing Language Vs. The General Public by Cazekiel · · Score: 5, Informative

    My husband works for Merriam-Webster as an assistant editor/lexicographer. You wouldn't believe some of the stuff that goes on there. People will call and demand fame for a word. For example, some guy called in and said he'd been the one to come up with the word 'ginormous', and wanted credit for it. They don't seem to understand the process. MW's archives in the basement is a CIA-esque compilation of language; they'll use every collegiate they have for reference, going all the way back to the first one. Husband says it won't be long before internet-meme creations are included.

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    1. Re:Organizing Language Vs. The General Public by zill · · Score: 2

      Husband says it won't be long before internet-meme creations are included.

      It doesn't take an insider source to figure that out. They included "d'oh" last year, and there's no reason to treat internet-memes differently than TV-memes.

      Depending on your definition of "internet-meme" some already made it on there, for example lol.

    2. Re:Organizing Language Vs. The General Public by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

      We're talking a complete infiltration, or even having its own separate publication. The 11th Collegiate came out in 2003 (I was about 8 1/2 months pregnant at the release party, so I couldn't enjoy the bar they'd set up in the Quadrangle's library, darn it all), and while the 12th's release isn't known to me, it's the idea that each Collegiate is basically a Bible of our times; it's not just a few minor things added between each release. The deadlines they have for projects aren't done by weeks or months but *decades*, and that enormous length of time is just as stressful and "OMG, are we gonna get this done??" as a businessman having a week to compile last month's facts and figures for their company. So the 12th Collegiate is going to be very, very, very interesting.

      He'd have a flugton more to add to this (and would probably correct me on a few points), so maybe I'll link him to this.

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    3. Re:Organizing Language Vs. The General Public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Merriam-Webster have the first college student in their basement?

    4. Re:Organizing Language Vs. The General Public by Inda · · Score: 1

      Flugton?

      Married to a lexicographer?

      Surely you jest? :)

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    5. Re:Organizing Language Vs. The General Public by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

      'Collegiate' references each publication MW puts out every decade or so, not a college student. They're working on the 12th Collegiate, the 11th having come out in 2003.

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    6. Re:Organizing Language Vs. The General Public by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

      I make up words to replace swearing when I don't WANT to swear. I'd probably be flagged and kicked outta here if I was as potty-mouthed as I am in daily life, lol. I've often joked with my husband that I'm gonna make him add every ridiculous word I can make up into the next edition. :D

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    7. Re:Organizing Language Vs. The General Public by Cazekiel · · Score: 2

      Oh, lol, btw... I emailed my husband that I was being teased (nicely) about using flugton--and it's a word! He says:

      "And, if it helps, flugton (pron: "floog-tone") is the pitch of the hum or buzz generated by an insect's wings. The word is German (loose translation: "flight-tone"), but does appear in a couple of older English-language entomology texts. So there.;)"

      See? I was TOTALLY talking about insect-wings. ;)

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    8. Re:Organizing Language Vs. The General Public by mooingyak · · Score: 2

      I'd probably be flagged and kicked outta here if I was as potty-mouthed as I am in daily life

      There's not much fucking chance of that happening.

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    9. Re:Organizing Language Vs. The General Public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Husband says it won't be long before internet-meme creations are included.

      Then, all MW bases will be belong to us.

    10. Re:Organizing Language Vs. The General Public by plover · · Score: 1

      It doesn't take an insider source to figure that out. They included "d'oh" last year, and there's no reason to treat internet-memes differently than TV-memes.

      Depending on your definition of "internet-meme" some already made it on there, for example lol.

      How disappointing. I just checked out cromulent. Apparently that word isn't as cromulent as I thought it was.

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    11. Re:Organizing Language Vs. The General Public by Tweezak · · Score: 1

      Ask him how long before the meaning of the word "loose" is expanded to include the definition of "lose." That mistake is made so often I expect it will become accepted and eventually considered correct.

    12. Re:Organizing Language Vs. The General Public by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

      I have really, really good friends that do that in their fiction, and no matter how wonderful they think they are, I grit my teeth and swear under my breath every time I see it. Can you imagine someone saying "I got loost in the mall."???

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    13. Re:Organizing Language Vs. The General Public by Lotana · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine someone saying "I got loost in the mall."???

      Imagining this scenario is quite easy. What is proving impossible is stopping from imagining yourself hitting that person with something sharp and heavy afterwards. Repeatedly.

    14. Re:Organizing Language Vs. The General Public by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

      I dunno about sharp. I'd dull the blade myself, like they'd do in ancient beheadings to make the recipient suffer longer. Blunt is the way to go, if you ask me. Just be sure to take a 5-Hour and/or Red Bull and/or Adderal, etc. beforehand to make sure you have the energy for it.

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  13. To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by jellomizer · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    The fact that language is evolving gives me no end of joy, to think of all the Grammar Nazi, getting corrected all the time because the language has changed on them.

    I may just be bitter because going threw school I had one right after an other of bad English teachers, who felt that they should tell me every time I am wrong and never really explaining how I should do it right. I have never really learned proper grammar, I have only learned to dislike people who feel the need to correct every detail, and discredit my arguments. Not due to lack of logical reasoning but to technical failures in grammar and spelling.
    Between K-Grad School I have had 5 English Teachers/Professors who actually were willing to help me improve my skills, who were willing to start the education with the following mindset, "you makes good points but lets make this read better" vs. what I normally get "your spelling and grammar is bad... So your points are invalid"

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    1. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by zephvark · · Score: 1

      Language is programming. If you can't speak coherently, how can you possibly think coherently?

    2. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      While I agree that grammar Nazis can go a bit far, and I had no problem with what you just wrote (I'll ignore threw/through, this is /. after all), I find that a lot of people write impossible-to-parse sentences. I see this in business correspondence all the time. I'll get an email from a coworker, and I won't even know what they are asking because what they typed doesn't make any sense at all, or can be interpreted about 5 different ways. A lot of it comes from people being too lazy to just type out a whole sentence or paragraph, which is sometimes what is required to get the point across. I think a lot of it is due to people not being able to type fast enough, so they just get impatient, and write the shortest thing possible, instead of what actually makes sense.

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    3. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by PPH · · Score: 1

      Ain't that the truth!

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    4. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by tpstigers · · Score: 3, Insightful

      First off, I'd say your lack of language skills is indeed impacting your ability to coherently formulate an argument. Otherwise you would have noticed that the original post is not, in fact, about grammar at all. Rather, it's about words.

      That said, I would also say that HOW you present an argument is just as important (if not more so) than the content of the argument itself. The point of making an argument at all is to convince someone else of the validity of your viewpoint. This task is impossible if you are unable to make yourself understood, and it's very difficult if people have dig through your statements in order to tease out your meaning. Also, the better your language skills, the less the chance your arguments will be misunderstood.

      The reality is, though, it doesn't really matter how terrific your ideas are if you are unable to efficiently articulate them. Which makes the better point?

      1) "I took my - you know - thing .... the thing thats sits on the round things.... you know - the THING.... yeah - with the keys and stuff - the THING. Anyway, I took the thing to the place... you know - where I do stuff... there's coffee and papers and stuff - the PLACE... and the guy who tells me what to do... you know - the PLACE."

      - or -

      2) "I drove my car to work."

    5. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by silentcoder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      s/threw/through/g

      "through" is an adverb indicating a passage between locations or a change of state.
      "threw" is the past tense of throw.

      Grammar Nazi's often get a bit extreme but when your basic spelling is up-to-shit the actual meaning of your writing gets lost. Yes language evolves - this means we coin new words, we gradually change laws of grammar - but it is not a license to write whatever you want and claim it means what you intended to mean.

      I'm fairly certain from context that you intended to write "through" for example - but if I hadn't recognized it I would have been wondering if you were so badly bullied that teachers actually threw you around in school.

      >I have only learned to dislike people who feel the need to correct every detail, and discredit my arguments

      It's not a discrediting of arguments to correct grammar mistakes. However, repeating them when you have been corrected just makes you look stupid. Worse, it makes you an asshole. Yeah, YOU are the asshole. Why ? Because using the proper conventions of language (grammar, spelling etc.) is a form of politeness. It makes your writing easy to read.
      Furthermore, it is to your own advantage as well. When you ignore good language rules what you write more often than not doesn't mean what you intended it to mean. Some of your readers will simply misunderstand you. Others will be annoyed. Very few will actually have a clue what you were trying to say- because what you were trying to write and what you actually write no longer bear any but the most limited of resemblances.

      The only thing that saves the grammar-ignorant from being completely illiterate is the human ability to infer meaning from context - but context is incredibly culture, time and location specific. So the meaning of your words now become discernible exclusively to people who share your background. Everybody else (that could literally be people who live two neighborhoods away) are just sitting there shaking their heads and wondering what the fuck you're trying to say.

      Oh and for a little encouragement... I am writing in my THIRD Language and very nearly all of the fucking time I get it right... you first language speakers have absolutely no excuse.

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    6. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      Which makes the better point?

      1) "I took my - you know - thing .... the thing thats sits on the round things.... you know - the THING.... yeah - with the keys and stuff - the THING. Anyway, I took the thing to the place... you know - where I do stuff... there's coffee and papers and stuff - the PLACE... and the guy who tells me what to do... you know - the PLACE."

      - or -

      2) "I drove my car to work."

      #1. It tells me the chick is drunk enough for me to have a chance.

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    7. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by zakaryah · · Score: 2

      From your post, it seems the assignation of the asshole title should not be exclusive... A grammarian would point out several errors in your post (mostly subject-verb agreements), and some of these even vary between British and American English. I'm sure everyone who read your post, or the post above it, understood what both of you were trying to say, so most of your arguments do not apply in this case. While I agree that abandoning grammatical rules can make communication very difficult, I also think some grammatical rules have been detrimental to clarity. Some rules are not even agreed upon - see ending a sentence with a preposition, where to put the punctuation with respect to the closing quotation mark, whether "everybody" can be plural, etc. Syntax is important, but a lot of language is like white-space, and languages that rigidly interpret white-space are a pain in the ass, just like grammarians.

    8. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Grammar Nazi's often ...

      :-)

    9. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by maiki · · Score: 1

      s/threw/through/g

      "through" is an adverb indicating a passage between locations or a change of state. "threw" is the past tense of throw.

      Except that "through" is functioning as a preposition in the GP's sentence:

      I may just be bitter because going threw school I had...

      If you're unconvinced, try substituting an adverb or another preposition:

      * ...because going quickly school I had...
      ...because going to school I had...

    10. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      At least I have the excuse that I'm not writing in my first, or indeed even my second language.

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    11. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Grammar Nazi's often get a bit extreme but when your basic spelling is up-to-shit the actual meaning of your writing gets lost."

      ' does not mean "here comes an S!"

    12. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

      I should've read the comments more carefully before making my own, as I could've skipped that step and say, "Yea, what tpstigers said," lol. Buuut, wellll... this HAS been deemed as flamebait, the poor chap.

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    13. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never seen any grammar nazi comment on those rules you mention, or even simple misspellings. Not saying it never happens, but rather, most seem to have a problem with it's/its, their/there/they're, the compulsion to make sure some plurals end in 's and other new-age ad-hoc verbal transcription shit that indicates people rarely read so they have to guess how the words they're saying look like.

    14. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by steelfood · · Score: 2

      Because using the proper conventions of language (grammar, spelling etc.) is a form of politeness.

      On this point (and while I concur with your sentiments overall), I would like to point out that it's not so much that using language correctly being a form of politeness, but taking the point communicated and the communication medium seriously. Interchanging their/there/they're, two/to/too, for/four, than/then, through/threw, and other such errors imply one of three things:

      1) Non-native speaker, confusing one word for another.
      2) Ignorance on the writer's part.
      3) Carelessness.

      Two of the three boils down to negligence. The remaining can be easily confirmed or disproven through context; non-native speakers typically have a very distinct pattern of grammatical errors that are more complex in nature. Non-native speakers' errors are typically tense, object-subject, or otherwise construct-related, as opposed to simply not using (and hence not knowing) the correct word. There are vocabulary issues for non-native speakers, but they tend to substitute similar-meaning words, as opposed to completely unrelated but similar-sounding words.

      But I digress. For the former case, since the writing was done trivially, the act of reading would be trivial as well. If the writer obviously doesn't care about what's written, why should any reader put the same level of effort into parsing the words? Since the writer cannot be bothered to use a dictionary (which is easier than ever now that there's a search bar at the top of every browser) or proof-read, or even learn the language used, why should the reader bother with trying the decipher the information that's probably not so important anyway.

      As such, it's not so much about respecting the reader, but respecting the point. The merits of the point can only be addressed after acknowledging that the point is important enough to warrant addressing. And that starts with the initial communication of the point--in this case and in many others, the written text.

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    15. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by steelfood · · Score: 1

      I do have to point out that grammar rules and the strict adherence to (or lack thereof) is not an outright violation of the language. Most grammar rules are more suggestions, and as you've stated yourself, sometimes (oftimes) colloquial. In particular for grammar, even colloquial differences are minor (colloquialisms that affect word usage is a bit more ambigious, and should be avoided in favor of more common words and phrases).

      English is an ambiguous language. It is the nature of the language to tend towards the uncertain, and ultimately the unintelligible (and yet still correct). We make a conscious effort to be as unambigious as possible, to be as clear and consise as possible, through our application of grammar "rules". But it is not the natural state of the language. Think of Perl.

      Not to mention that errors in clarity only exists when the ambiguity is not intentional.

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    16. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you're the type of person who would rather spend time nitpicking than productively following and engaging in an intelligent argument. Try to grow beyond that. You'll do yourself and the world a favor.

    17. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Although spelling errors which result in different but correctly spelled words usually can be deciphered, I've seen examples where the misspelling resulted in a sentence with the opposite meaning of the writer's probable intent. Spelling matters (among other reasons) because errors can lead to financial problems if you put the wrong word into a contract.

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    18. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by tyrus568 · · Score: 1

      The other culprit is memory. Yes, sometimes people are unable to remember. Personally, it's intimidating when I continue making the same mistakes with words, especially when it happens many times. Some words I think I may only be able to get right if I went over them every single morning for months until I have memorized them by rote, which implies that it's not negligence or carelessness, but an inability to remember the correction the first time, or the fifth time. It doesn't mean I'm not trying to remember. It's one thing if I can remember when I am corrected, but it's really discouraging to not remember even after being corrected multiple times. I guess that makes me stupid... (which I understand that I am. It doesn't help my self-confidence when I can't ever get certain things correct.)

    19. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by tyrus568 · · Score: 1

      It probably helps to clarify things when I mention that I was talking specifically about conversations with people in the real world, where I don't have a dictionary.

    20. Re:To the Bane of Grammar Nazi. by FormOfActionBanana · · Score: 1

      phones. typing and composing on phones doesn't make for well structured sentences (or even correctly chosen respellings)

      [Composed in bed on a laptop...]

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  14. Physicists with time on their hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As a trained linguist, I have to treat "breakthroughs" in the field by outsiders with a big grain of salt. I don't hire a plumber to do heart surgery. I don't hire an MD to fix my car. (BTW I don't hire a lingust (like Noam Chomsky) to fix my political system either!)

    1. Re:Physicists with time on their hands by jythie · · Score: 1

      That was my thought too. Sounds like someone from another field rediscovering historial linguistics but not knowing enough about what is already known to put it into terms used by the community.

    2. Re:Physicists with time on their hands by rich_hudds · · Score: 1

      I thought Chomsky and Pinker's theories about language being an 'instinct' were being overturned by the latest research, so maybe you shouldn't hire Chomsky to do anything.

      Seems pretty obvious to me that language isn't an instinct as we have to be taught it.

    3. Re:Physicists with time on their hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was it as well quantified before? I reckon the breakthrough is the evidence, where some of the theories can be identified as more correct than others.

    4. Re:Physicists with time on their hands by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Hey, I heard that Newton guy got all his laws overturned. What an idiot! Better not use Newton for anything anymore.

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    5. Re:Physicists with time on their hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't mean everything Chomsky's written was wrong. Chomsky was the first to make a distinction between competence and performance.

    6. Re:Physicists with time on their hands by rich_hudds · · Score: 2

      Newton's laws weren't overturned, they were refined. Chomsky seems to have had the wrong idea entirely.

    7. Re:Physicists with time on their hands by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      Agreed. This is just introducing data mining over a larger and more easily accessible data set to historical linguistics.

      I hope that 'Culturomics' (the word that is) dies a quick death itself. And why did this remind me of Avatar ... oh yeah, Unobtanium.

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  15. Evolutionary laws of language...or just English? by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

    I cannot find any mention of them studying anything other than English, and if they indeed only studied English then do the same finding apply to other languages? I actually highly doubt it, especially when it comes to smaller, less-used languages. Though obviously claiming to have found some universal laws regarding all languages makes for better headlines.

  16. Gullible by mdsolar · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's not in the dictionary. Look it up.

    1. Re:Gullible by dmatos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      True story - I once convinced my coworker that gullible was not in the dictionary. She pulled out a very old dictionary, and proceeded to look it up, only to find that, no, it was not in there as a separate entry.

      After I bit of digging, I did eventually find it as a conjugation of the verb "gull," meaning "to deceive."

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  17. See this all the time by cyocum · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I see this all the time (I have a PhD in the humanities and I am a software engineer) where someone from outside the field does something and claims it is a universal law but really, they just worked on English and cannot (or will not) prove that it works for other languages. Usually, these papers also lack any kind of literature review and ignore many of the problems that this would uncover. I saw one paper by a physicist that tried to use bit fields to model language change; it was just massively reductionist and couldn't explain anything at all for all the mathematical rigour.

    I go to my University's language lunch which has lots of this and scare the pants off grad students by saying "this is all very well but does this work for Japanese or Old Irish or any other language?" This usually makes their faces go white because naturally English is the ONLY language that matters and is therefore "universal".

    1. Re:See this all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're a very cruel person, making those grad students think. :-)

    2. Re:See this all the time by icensnow · · Score: 2

      RTFA, they worked on English, Spanish, and Hebrew for precisely that reason.

    3. Re:See this all the time by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      English - An Indo-european language closely related to the Romance, and Germanic languages
      Spanish - An indo-european language one of the Romance languages
      Modern Hebrew - Hard to classify but has many influences from European languages mainly Indo-European Romance and Germanic languages

      They didn't pick a very diverse range of languages, mostly one family, of heavily related and cross influenced languages ...

      Pick something else like Yorùbá, or Mandarin Chinese ....?

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    4. Re:See this all the time by Empiric · · Score: 0

      I think you've failed to fully appreciate Slashdot's vetting process. Describe anything whatsoever in vague terms of certain things succeeding/surviving and other things failing/dying, make some tenuous associations with any type of "selection", call it "evolution", and it will be immediately hailed here as both groundbreaking and beyond any requirement for further skeptical or scientific analysis.

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    5. Re:See this all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA, they worked on English, Spanish, and Hebrew for precisely that reason.

      They worked on published books in English, Spanish, and Hebrew from 1800 to 2008. These texts are not very representative of the languages as a whole. It is entirely possible that they only observed changes in the editorial practices of the publishing industry, and nothing meaningful about language.

    6. Re:See this all the time by cyocum · · Score: 2

      If you wanted a more diverse but still very well understood set of languages, I would have gone for English, Sanskrit, and Arabic. English and Sanskrit are distantly related but far enough away that you can make good inferences out of them and Arabic because there is plenty of it out there and it is Semetic (like Modern Hewbrew without all of the loan words form Indo-European languages).

    7. Re:See this all the time by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      Arabic is probably a good choice, but I don't think Sanscrit would be a very good subject for this kind of study. They need something with at least a couple hundred years of intensive literary activity, so they can compare word frequencies year to year over multiple decades. I'd suggest Chinese like the GP, but the use of the Chinese writing system for what are effectively multiple different languages could muddy things a bit. What I'd really like to see included would be Cherokee, which has been in print since the early 1800's. I think finding enough written material might be a problem though. Japaneese might be a really good choice.

    8. Re:See this all the time by cyocum · · Score: 1

      Classical Sanskrit was used for nearly two thousand years. I don't know many languages (except Latin) that has that kind of length of use.

    9. Re:See this all the time by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      Yes, but to perform a good study I suspect they'd need multiple examples of writing in the language in question each year for a couple of hundred years. I'm no expert, but I don't think we have that volume of precisely dated material for any language that's been "dead" for a millenium.

      Also, they'd really need originals to not have to worry about the language corruption that copyist "corrections" can introduce. Almost nothing left over from that vintage is an original. Most of copies of copies of copies (or worse).

      So basically, you need stuff from the era of the printing press.

    10. Re:See this all the time by Nemyst · · Score: 2

      Actually, I'd have been a lot more interested to know about French, since it's one of the few languages out there that's actively curated by a central organization attempting to limit and document the language's morphing.

      I'd be curious to know whether this is actually affecting the language's evolution in any meaningful way. Considering its close ties to English and Spanish, among others, it would be fairly easy to compare them and notice the influence, if influence there is.

    11. Re:See this all the time by _8553454222834292266 · · Score: 1

      You should probably look up what Sanskrit is and how long it was in use.

    12. Re:See this all the time by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      His point is precisely that Sanskrit is not a "living language" - it's in use, yes, but it's not actually spoken, and hence it's static, not developed - so there's no way to apply the same principle of observing how words change with time.

    13. Re:See this all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or Tocharian, it's from asia!

      Jk, Tocharian is Proto Indo European as well, or 'PIE' as us linguonomist like to say when we want to sound cool.

    14. Re:See this all the time by Karellen · · Score: 1

      English - An Indo-European language closely related to the Romance, Germanic, Greek, Nordic and Gaelic languages, with extra loan words from almost every other culture they've invaded or been invaded by over the last 1800-odd years. :-)

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  18. Elementary anthropology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    So physicists have reinvented battleship curves. Congratulations! We couldn't have done it a century ago without you!

    1. Re:Elementary anthropology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should hurry up and patent them, then claim royalties from battleship manufacturers.

  19. Scrabble by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    What the hell is a Qi?

    It is the alternate spelling of "Chi", a concept in Daoist philosophy that represents the primal energy of the universe.

    As in "tai chi". As in "qi gong". It is also sometimes spelled "ki".

    The ancient Chinese must have played a lot of Scrabble

    The Scrabble word that bothers me is "aa". I mean seriously. Who even wants to play with you any more? It's not fun when you start bringing out the scrabble dictionary. I thought we said no 2-letter words, anyway. And no, I'm not being a baby.

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  20. Irregular verbs by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Informative

    There has been mathematical studies on how long irregular verbs might survive in the English language for a long time. I remember seeing the first such article a while back.

    Basically the more used a verb- the longer it will take us to be liberated from its influence. Some like the verb "to be" are so enconsced in our language that they may take many many generations to eliminate.

    Of course- this ignores any political movement to eliminate them- as countries become closer- if English remains the language of democracy- there may be a push to make English more standard. A new English without all the rule contradictions it currently has would be double-plus good.

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    1. Re:Irregular verbs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Irregular verbs don't really cause that much grief for English learners, in my experience. The real problems are phrasal verbs and word stress; even people who have been living in an English-speaking country for many years are often still struggling with these.

    2. Re:Irregular verbs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no real reason to believe that common irregular verbs will ever be regularized.

      Take "think", for example. Most people say the past tense is "thought". Occasionally you might encounter "thunk". But I have never heard of anybody, anywhere, except in jest, using "thinked".

      And as TFS mentions, "snuck" is actually gaining ground over the (regularly formed) "sneaked".

      So the assumption that irregular verbs will eventually die out seems unwarranted.

  21. The source of the new words by CrackedButter · · Score: 2

    I'm sure Americans will have created 8000 of those new words each year. Not content with the ones we British gave them, they wanted their own.

    1. Re:The source of the new words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since the first Americans were British themselves, technically they weren't given those words by the British; rather, they were theirs to begin with.

      However, you are correct that there is more language innovation happening in the USA than there is in Britain: most of the new words added to the OED these days are coined in the US.

  22. After reading this all I can say by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 1

    Is that it's pinning my bullshitometer against the max stop.

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  23. American imperialism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm old enough to remember all the British television and seen American language replace British/Australian language. In 2011, we saw mum and bikkie replaced by mom and cookie. Before that nappy, dummy, backside/arse were removed from the national vernacular. More generally biker and trucker have replaced bikie and truckie and so forth with similar '-ie' words. This year bum-pack was replaced by fanny-pack. I haven't heard anyone use the British version of fanny (last used in 'Billy Elliot') except to laugh at loud Americans who say 'fanny' because they don't know the word has a sexual meaning in this country.

    And of course, we have help-desks in India saying in a thick accent 'no worries' to sound Australian, which is also cultural imperialism.

    1. Re:American imperialism by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      I haven't heard anyone use the British version of fanny (last used in 'Billy Elliot') except to laugh at loud Americans who say 'fanny' because they don't know the word has a sexual meaning in this country.

      A friend of mine (fellow American) is married to a British woman. He likes to tell a story about one time his parents came to visit. They were living at the time in a somewhat remote place, and there was a 4 hour bus ride involved. His mother, somewhat sore from the long ride, asked his wife "How's your fanny?" Fortunately for him, his wife was aware of the American usage as well, but the incident still amuses him.

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  24. Re:Evolutionary laws of language...or just English by CSMoran · · Score: 2

    Had you clicked the the link to the PDF provided in the summary, you'd have stumbled onto their paper -- as in "the thing we're discussing here" -- where they mention Spanish and Hebrew were also studied.

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  25. Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's not "Physicists Discover Evolutionary Laws of Language"
    It's "Physicists Propose a Theory of Language Evolution"
    There's no discovery going on here.
    They didn't find it hiding under a rock.

  26. 3 years ago it was a different discovery by xyourfacekillerx · · Score: 2

    Physicists claimed the evolution of language was based on some characterization of words of vocalization pattern and energy usage, the idea being that languages which afford more efficient energy requirements to the speaker tend to survive by natural selection process, just as animals in any environment evolve physical characteristics that are specifically adapted to efficient energy usage in that environment.

  27. Is this really a new discovery? by medv4380 · · Score: 1

    My wife is a linguist and much of the summary sounds like stuff she learned in her classes. The only major thing that sounds new is that he has put a large portion of Google's scans through a computational linguistics algorithm to put hard numbers to what they already believe. I know a lot of Computational Linguists come from other fields out side of traditional linguistics, but if this guy has become a computational linguists I would think it would be more appropriate to label him as one instead of what he has his phd in.

  28. What is a word? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The authors of the study have defined a "word" as being similar strings of characters. This means each of those 27 spelling variants of Sioux provided by William Clark was considered a separate word. So, essentially, they're dealing with the birth and death of typos. This makes the 1,000,000 words claim extremely dubious. If each spelling variant is a word, then there has to way more than 1,000,000 words.

  29. Google Books inaccurate by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    Google Books is notoriously inaccurate, especially with dates. I don't know if it's enough to throw their data off, but I wonder if the researchers realize this.

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    1. Re:Google Books inaccurate by ianalis · · Score: 1

      I haven't read this paper's supplementary information but according to the SI of their 5-million books paper, about 6.2% of the books in their filtered (serials removed) corpus are off by 5 years.

  30. Here's the Google Ngram viewer by nbauman · · Score: 1

    http://books.google.com/ngrams/

    Don't spend the whole day on it.

    1. Re:Here's the Google Ngram viewer by Andux · · Score: 1
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  31. Descriptivism, folks by Joe+Decker · · Score: 2

    Published in Science, their paper gives the best-yet estimate of the true number of words in English—a million, far more than any dictionary has recorded (the 2002 Webster's Third New International Dictionary has 348,000) with more than half of the language considered 'dark matter' that has evaded standard dictionaries (PDF).

    Umm, no. The phrase "true number of words in English" is sufficiently ill-defined to make the question meaningless. There are two ways people think about whether something is a "true word" in English, but more or less, you need to either rely on an authoritative reference to make that determination (which is not what's happening here), or you note it's existence by some level of usage in practice, and set a somewhat arbitrary bar for how often the word has been used (which is what's happening here.)

    As per Zipf's law, etc, tweak that "bar" a little bit, and you'll get quite different results.

  32. similar analysis to count species on Earth by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Where over 90% of vertebrates have probably been discovered and cataloged, only a few percent of insects, worms etc. may have. A combination of statistics and data mining estimates about 7 million total species.

  33. Opportunity by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    If well good part of the richness of a language is because there were isolated regions with no fluid communication with the others speaking the same language in the past, internet pushing a common culture is adopting a lot of words and concepts from other languages into any language by now. If that process could be controlled or directed (i.e. mass media, main internet sites, etc) could be used to push concepts and word meanings useful to improve a culture, like with this example. Not sure if we could do intelligent design over an existing language, but at least we could direct its evolution with a goal.

  34. 30 to 50 years isn't anything new... by wilgibson · · Score: 2

    When taking "History of the English Language" last year as part of my graduate work, the professor I studied under was part of the Middle English Dictionary Project. It was interesting to speak with him on the life and death of words after the printing press, and I remember him giving a 30 to 50 year estimation for a word to cement itself or become rare. It doesn't really seem like this is anything new.

    1. Re:30 to 50 years isn't anything new... by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      It's not new. Languages (at least European languages) keep roughly 80% of their words over a 1000 yr period. This is true for Latin, French, German, English, etc... There are numerous textual sources, from Treaties (such as the Treaty of Verdun) to literature to everyday language. The French gave us the words hostel and hotel over a 200 yr period. In that time the French lanugage changed too (adding the circumflex to indicate a "missing" x).

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    2. Re:30 to 50 years isn't anything new... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      I'd guess that widespread use of the printing press (and now spell checkers) is at least going to make spelling more stable. Reading even the carefully composed works of Jefferson and Madison from 250 years ago can be irritating due to odd spellings.

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    3. Re:30 to 50 years isn't anything new... by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Spelling wasn't standardized until the late 17th C/early 18th. One of the most famous jurists of the 17th C, Edward Cooke, spelled "if" different ways in the same paragraph: yf, yffe, iffe, iff. It makes for interestng reading - but you get used to it after a while. (I was, a lifetime ago, a grad student in history.)

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  35. Corpus was English, so *not* "universal" by zooblethorpe · · Score: 2

    From TFA, the researchers were analyzing Google's corpus of primarily English texts. Anything they have to say about the development of language can thus only be said to hold true for English .

    Different languages work differently, and are subject to different pressures of usage and culture and global politics. Somehow I doubt that Mori or Arabic or German are changing in quite the same ways or at quite the same rates as English.

    TL;DR: "Universal", my shiny white honky ass.

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  36. scanned books=the english language? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something doesn't sound right about this assumption.

    1. Re:scanned books=the english language? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      We don't have many voice recordings from 1800.

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  37. 23 Skidoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been crameniating over the origin of this word/phrase cited by the OP. It's amazing how many claims there are for this phrase. And while the phrase itself may have faded, the Bombardier "Ski-Doo" (from 1960) I would think derived it's name from it and will live on for quite awhile.

    Also note the 1932 pingame Skidoo "23".

  38. Hebrew not that controversial to classify by zooblethorpe · · Score: 3, Informative

    I agree with your main point, and agree that the modern Hebrew vocabulary is subject to diverse influences, including European languages.

    That said, Hebrew (modern or otherwise) is not that hard to classify -- it is firmly in the Semitic language grouping, itself part of the Afroasiatic language family. Hebrew is a cousin to Arabic, and a cousin to ancient Egyptian, Touareg, Somali, and Amharic (Ethiopian).

    Cheers,

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  39. Tempest in a teapot by pjpII · · Score: 5, Informative

    Speaking as a linguist (working on my Ph.D.) this is something of a tempest in a tea-pot. The most relevant use would be for glottochronology - a field that's largely been abandoned by anyone seriously working on historical linguistics because of the various problems involved with that approach, including what the authors of the paper find, that the rate of word loss is not constant over time. They have a better idea of the rate of word loss, which could help improve glottochronology, but the method has a lot of flaws regardless.

    Also, the question they're asking - how do words change over time, in terms of coining, becoming current, and becoming obsolete - really isn't a question historical linguists are that concerned about. Historical linguists are much more interested in how the forms of words change over time (phonological change), or how their function changes over time (grammaticalization), whereas the coinage and loss of words isn't often so important, especially on the large scale statistical level. Furthermore, this type of model probably handles languages with phenomena like avoidance speech poorly, since that would change how and why words are kept or lost.

    Their language sample is at heart a convenience sample - they happened to have access to lots of data in those three languages, and it is largely written data. Spanish and English are both related languages with very similar cultural contexts, while Hebrew is a strange choice in that is has an ancient history, but only quite recent revitalised usage. Whether most spoken interaction (which is what linguists tend to be more interested in) has even a tiny subset of the total number of words they are talking about is an open question and would be better tested against corpora with a large quantity of spoken data such as the British National Corpus or the International Corpus of English.

    It's an interesting study, but if it hadn't been written by physicists I'm not sure if it would have ended up in Diachronica or the Journal of Historical Lingiustics, much less Science. Their "statistical rules" are interesting, but really not of any great use to wider linguistic inquiry. I think its import is really just exaggerated by the fact that science editors read Science and NOT most linguistics journals, and therefore they think it's really impressive.

    1. Re:Tempest in a teapot by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      the question they're asking - how do words change over time, in terms of coining, becoming current, and becoming obsolete - really isn't a question historical linguists are that concerned about.

      And why not? It seems a prefectly cromulent topic to explore.

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  40. Tag Fail - Tag Fail -Tag Fail!! Abort! Abort! by ediron2 · · Score: 1

    Wow. A WSJ article on dictionaries, data mining and the birth and death of words... but somehow at this moment, this story is tagged:

    SCIENCE
    DARKMATTER
    EVOLUTION

    Worst. Tags. Ever!!!!

    Since the 3 terms appear in the story, this smells like a deeply-ironic case of a data-mining algorithm story having epic amounts of keyword-detection fail. Maybe someone can scrounge up a physicist (or if ONLY slashdot knew where to get in touch with a few computer jocks) to fix their code.

  41. Sweeeeeet by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

    Hah, well then... I won't give a Fuck-Fuck-McFuckity-Fuck from hereon in (or is that overdoing it?)!

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  42. English by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    The problem with Qi is its about as "english language" as Shinjitai

    English has the great ability of incorporating words from other languages into it's lexicon. I doubt there are many English words that are not borrowed from other languages. English itself is one such word.

    Falcon

  43. Hoo boy re: score title... by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

    "to think of all the Grammar Nazi, getting corrected all the time because the language has changed on them"

    Well, even if words change, that doesn't mean grammar rules do. Chat/Catspeak is to point out both the ridiculousness and sometimes, blatant ignorance of those on the internet and the funneh way cats WOULD speak given a voice. Having bad grammar and disobeying what is seen as obvious (I ran into a Tea-Partier in a political discussion a few weeks ago that thought 'do'nt' was the way to go--he did it twice in the same comment, so he can't claim 'typo') doesn't help when it comes to wanting to be taken seriously. We're all allowed to make mistakes. I have, and I pride myself as being known as a good writer to circles of friends on writing-sites and what not. It can happen to anyone.

    One flaw in your argument is that you can't expect other people, *especially* on the internet to take you 100% seriously when it comes to your mistakes in spelling/grammar. If an aspiring scientist depends on everyone else to correct them for not spelling things right or screwing up the table of elements at a constant, they aren't going to go far unless they recognize it as *their problem*, something they need to get on top of. An argument you want to make needs to be presented with care and attention to details when it comes to language. That's just the way it is. But I understand how it feels to not get the proper education or understanding when you're learning for the first time. I'd always thought I was crap at math and science, until I entered self-learning programs in college. Where I couldn't do Algebra I in high school, I passed Algebra II with flying colors. Maybe take up grammar-studies as a hobby? I dunno. :P

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  44. vigilant copy editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are these "vigilant copy editors" of which you speak?

  45. Whole Book on Slashdot Memes! I want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or wait is that a whole book of Natalie Portman in hot grits!?! Oh I am so confused!

  46. There is a quote... by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

    It goes something like
    English is a language that mugs other languages in a dark alley and then checks their pockets for loose grammar.

    i doubt that anything more than a small fraction of "english" words have an Anglo-Saxon* origin.

    (not sure if that would be correct Language Experts Please correct as needed)

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  47. "Culturomics" is not destined for long life... by rlseaman · · Score: 1

    Blame the WSJ for the tropes here about physicists and "culturomics". The lead author of the linked paper is an economist. The WSJ article also mingles information from other publications. On the other hand, Steven Pinker has (rather persuasively) argued for a physical model underlying the structure of language (and not just in English): http://stevenpinker.com/publications/stuff-thought

  48. I do not welcome our prescriptionist overlords by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

    ah tink as loong as teh message ain't so convoluted as to keep it from being understood its fine.

    The rules of grammer and speeling should only b used two keep things within a margion of understandably. everythting else is as foolish as disrespecting anyone not wearing a tie. The only exception should be when it's a technical description of something or a law, where precise definitions are needed.

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  49. Bad Title by segfault_0 · · Score: 2

    Poorly worded title, I don't see any laws, theories, or other predictive content.. just some analysis.

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  50. 23 Skidoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have been crameniating over the "23 skidoo" term and the myriad of possible origins. Although dead in language today, it lives on in the Bombardier "Ski-Doo" snowmobile, that monicker being used since 1960 and not disappearing any time soon.

    Also note the 1932 pin table (they weren't call pinball machines yet), Skidoo "23".

  51. Golden Age of Swearing by J.+Alfred+Prufrock · · Score: 2

    A year or so ago a contributor to the London Review of Books identified a golden age of swearing, until it was pointed out that the "apparent prevalence of the word fuck in the period before 1820, and its complete disappearance for more than a century thereafter, can be explained by the end of the use in printing of the ‘long s’, which modern optical character recognition sees as an ‘f’. All the apparent ‘fucking’ before then is actually just ‘sucking’"

  52. I'm not sure you've thought that claim through. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This claim: "...the better your language skills, the less the chance your arguments will be misunderstood."

    The error is an assumption that your audience will always have a level of education similar to your own. Sadly this isn't always the case and so, it can happen, and often does happen, that someone will be difficult to understand because they're speaking above their audience and have no idea that they're doing that.

    Aside from that, I agree with you on what you had to say.

    Also, I like puppies.

  53. I hate "drug" by Maow · · Score: 1

    That stupid word always drived me crazy.

    That one doesn't bother me. If fact, I think I like it - irregular verbs with fewer syllables are usually ok by me.

    Here's one that I cannot stand: drug as past tense of drag. Drug is already a word, both noun and verb. Dragged is worth the extra syllable.

    I hate hearing how "I drug that heavy thing (thang?) across the room."

  54. Universal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    English, Spanish, Hebrew -> universal?
    Try doing that in CJK languages first, which are heavily coupled to Kanji characters.

  55. Here's something better than 'Culturomics' by Randym · · Score: 1

    Since this is 'a body of knowledge about words', how about logology? That would make a worker in the field a 'logologue'. This is a Greek/Latin hybrid: "logos" from the Greek meaning (approximately) "word".

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  56. Most common word not in dictionary? by Randym · · Score: 1

    May I suggest "foo"? (although it might be considered a back-formation from the jargonic acronym 'FUBAR'.) *We* all use it a lot, don't we?

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    1. Re:Most common word not in dictionary? by eriqk · · Score: 1

      That's just because "I pity the bar" sounds weird.

  57. In Science??? by tgv · · Score: 1

    In the words of Rutherford: All science is either physics or stamp collecting. This is stamp collecting. It's another case of applying formulas to numeric observations without a hint of the underlying social or cognitive processes. That does not advance linguistics.

    And this is published in Science? You mean, the journal whose impact factor dwarfs those of the more dedicated linguistic journals? Ugly.

  58. Reganomics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really? Of course you mean Reaganomics. The only example of Reganomics that I know is this short disquisition on luxury purchases:

    O reason not the need! Our basest beggars
    Are in the poorest thing superfluous.
    Allow not nature more than nature needs,
    Man's life is as cheap as beast's. Thou art a lady:
    If only to go warm were gorgeous,
    Why, nature needs not what thou gorgeous wear'st,
    Which scarcely keeps thee warm. But, for true need--

    Spoken, of course, by her father, King Lear, in response to her claim that he doesn't need his bodyguards.

  59. Words and Phrases and Sentences by YaddaMinski · · Score: 1

    Words and Phrases and Sentences are only symbols to represent ideas and relations. The musics and contemplation and experience create new words as required. The strength of English is the connotations which if used right will amuse people without them knowing why.