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Researchers May Have Discovered How Memories Are Encoded In the Brain

Zothecula writes "While it's generally accepted that memories are stored somewhere, somehow in our brains, the exact process has never been entirely understood. Strengthened synaptic connections between neurons definitely have something to do with it, although the synaptic membranes involved are constantly degrading and being replaced – this seems to be somewhat at odds with the fact that some memories can last for a person's lifetime. Now, a team of scientists believe that they may have figured out what's going on. Their findings could have huge implications for the treatment of diseases such as Alzheimer's."

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  1. They are etched by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny

    by tiny Gnomes, with silver hammers.

    This is known, even by the most obtuse of my Aunts.

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  2. religious implications? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    If memories are stored in meat...how come we still have them in the afterlife?

    1. Re:religious implications? by Quartus486 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Can't answer for other religions, but this is what the Bible says:

      Ecclesiastes 9 (New International Version)

        5 For the living know that they will die,
            but the dead know nothing;
      they have no further reward,
            and even their name is forgotten.

      10 Whatever your hand finds to do,
      do it with all your might, for in the realm
      of the dead, where you are going,
      there is neither working nor planning
      nor knowledge nor wisdom.

    2. Re:religious implications? by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, isn't that a cheery little missive? Tell me again what the appeal of this religion is? Is it the central zombie figure? The ritual cannibalism? The dramatic "death from above" episodes?

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    3. Re:religious implications? by kanweg · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, here you can read up on that.
      http://www.jhuger.com/kisshank.php

      Bert

    4. Re:religious implications? by asher09 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Throughout the OT & NT, "the realm (place/assembly) of the dead" always refers to the place where the condemned will end up and not the saints (those who are justified by faith in God). The place that the saints end up with is referred to as heaven / the land of the living / the dwelling place of the Most High / Paradise / New Jerusalem, etc, but not "the realm of the dead".
      Moreover, Ecclesiastes was written by Solomon when he was "backsliding" (ie falling away from the faith). So he was being cynical about life and not hopeful about future with God. It's easy to take verses out of context and come up with non-Christian ideas from the book of Ecclesiastes for this reason.

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  3. They solved it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    but then they slept on it and forgot

  4. first application will be .... by RichMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pick one
    a) therapy, erasing bad memories
    b) therapy, implanting good memories
    c) health, perserving function
    d) personal, perserving cherished memories
    e) learning
    f) porn

    Place your bets!!

  5. Re:Fuck GizMag by PatPending · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you want to read something intelligent about "memory storage theory", here's a better article--from Brown University, November 14, 2006.

    Pull-quote:

    PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- Daily events are minted into memories in the hippocampus, one of the oldest parts of the brain. For long-term storage, scientists believe that memories move to the neocortex, or "new bark," the gray matter covering the hippocampus. This transfer process occurs during sleep, especially during deep, dreamless sleep.

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  6. My mind is blown by DaleGlass · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I took a look at the paper in case I managed to understand something, and came across this:

    Information Storage Capacity

    If each extended kinase can either phosphorylate at the S-T site on a tubulin substrate, or not, the process effectively conveys one bit of information (e.g. no phosphorylation = 0, phosphorylation = 1). Each set of six extended kinases on either side of a CaMKII holoenzyme can thus act collectively as 6 bits of information. Ordered arrays of bits are termed âbytesâ(TM).
    [...]

    Logic Gates

    Clusters of phosphorylated tubulin, and/or MAP attachment may serve as logic gates for propagating information. Figures 9 and 10 demonstrate two types of Boolean logic gates, an AND gate and an exclusive OR gate (XOR) in which MAPs convey inputs, with output along tubulin pathways. Figures 11 and 12 show AND and XOR gates in which MAPs convey output of inputs and processes in tubulins within the MT. The combination of XOR and AND logic gates forms a universal set for computation in which all other logic gates (NOT, OR etc.) can be conceived. Signals propagating through MT-MAP logic circuits may extend throughout cytoskeletal networks, regulating synaptic function, cognition and behavior.

    Whoa. If that research is correct then that's really amazing.

  7. Get your ass to Mars. by Rodness · · Score: 3, Funny

    How much will it cost me to remember being an invincible secret agent on Mars??

  8. Cloud Storage by InfiniteZero · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, the religious types will tell you there is also a backup copy stored somewhere, somehow in the cloud, literally.

  9. Important work, but clearly being oversold by neurophil12 · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Now, a team of scientists believe that they may have figured out what's going on. Their findings could have huge implications for the treatment of diseases such as Alzheimer's."

    This statement is utterly absurd, but the authors of the PLoS article appear to have done some important work here. I'm not a physicist and can't evaluate the quality of the modeling and measurement, but assuming that is all legitimate (and I have no reason to doubt it), then their findings could prove useful to furthering theories on memory formation and stability. Basically they found a series of potential mechanisms by which activated CAMKII (via synaptic activity) can interface with microtubules to update their phosphorylation states. In what I would consider heavy speculation, they suggest that these phosphorylation states, along with the structural and electrostatic properties of microtubules, can produce and modulate information processing along/within the microtubules.

    Keeping Occam's Razor in mind, to me it would be simpler if these interactions simply increase or decrease microtubule stability, and possibly affect shape to promote dendritic bifurcation versus elongation or retraction. Not to say some kind of information processing can't be happening in the microtubules, but we already have some pretty good theories regarding information processing in dendrites based on membrane voltage propagation. With changes in microtubule phosphorylation state there is also the possibility of making cross-linking tighter or looser, making it possible to fit in more or fewer microtubules and change a dendrite's diameter. All of these changes are important for signal processing, but by impacting the propagation properties of the membrane rather than through the microtubules directly. I base these comments on other research that have found changes in dendrite morphology and physiology concurrent with synaptic plasticity. One must always keep in mind though that anything as complex as memory is going to rely on multiple mechanisms. Any claim that "the mechanism for X" has been found is always hyperbole.

    I would say that some of that speculation, as well as the fact that this is all highly theoretical (no experimental work) are the major reasons this wasn't published in a journal like Nature or Science. Still PLoS Computational Biology often has some very good and important articles.

  10. Re:Fuck GizMag by Ihmhi · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wait, so the human body does nightly backups? That is awesome.

  11. Better article by Derek+Pomery · · Score: 4, Informative
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  12. Bad Title by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 5, Informative

    What they've actually proposed is a mechanism for how memories are stored, not how they're encoded. The question is, how can memories be so stable if they're made up of synaptic connections that are constantly changing? These authors have proposed an answer, a molecular description of a much more stable link between two neurons that could form and then remain fixed for years. If they're right, it's a very important advance. But encoding is a completely different question: how does a particular memory get represented as a set of those connections. This work says nothing about that.

    To give an analogy, they've described the magnetic domains on a hard disk. They haven't described how JPEG transforms images into patterns of bits.

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  13. Re:Fuck GizMag by Centurix · · Score: 4, Funny

    It uses crantab

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  14. The brain does not store memories by JRHelgeson · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Spirit that inhabits your body, that is the recording medium. When you die, you take all those memories and everything you've learned with you. It's really quite simple. The spirit is the recording medium, and the the human brain is the spiritual to physical interface adapter.

    Essentially, those neurons are nothing more than your hard drive cable. The scientists can see the data traveling down the cable, then they can see the data traveling back, then they wonder... 'hmm, how on EARTH does this cable store so much data?' It would all be so much easier to understand if they would just acknowledge the existence of a hard drive.

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    1. Re:The brain does not store memories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is an interesting conjectgure, but fallacious. There are probably between 80 and 120 billion bit-neurons in the human brain, and a finitely non-discrete number of synapses, all of which act as de facto logic gates/memory bits. Since the brain is constantly purging anything it finds irrelevant, and since it has mechanisms for reconstructing meaningful memories from very limited data, there's no reason to assume that this massive memory-loaded processor has to have some (essentially) off-site location for actually long-term storing this data. The fallacy is that you're assuming that this transient storage is A) unacceptable for long-term storage and B) that the transmission and processing of this data is somehow analogous to a hard drive cable, which itself is neither capable of storing nor processing data. The closest analogy would be to a processor that has gigabytes of onboard memory with built-in disposal and propagation mechanisms, neither of which are present in any current processor. Assuming something far-fetched and backing it up with less-than-robust analogies is, at best, a very weak way to argue well, much less actually be right.

    2. Re:The brain does not store memories by swell · · Score: 3, Funny

      Billions of neurons and trillions of synaptic connectors can not explain the miracle of memory, learning or inspiration. The higher function of the brain is to connect us with the infinite found in another dimension. There it connects with a storehouse of information and wisdom partly shared with others.

      Given sufficient energy, the brain accesses this storehouse more or less efficiently and produces results that lead to intelligence and success in navigating what we perceive as the world around us.

      It would be premature at this time to introduce the idea that this storehouse is shared with brains on other worlds, but it's worth considering for those with hyper connectivity.

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  15. Re:Fuck GizMag by La+Gris · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The memorization job during night is more like a reprocessing of the short term pattern matching, or optimization.

    Let imagine you saw a calico cat during the day:
    Your short term memory barely stored the information patterns nearly as :
    1 - Surrounding environment (time, location, current occupation)
    2 - Encounter with a wandering animal.
    3 - The known cat of your neighbor.
    4 - An uncommon variety calico.

    During the night you reprocess optimize/compress the following pattern information as:
    1 - related and share the same pattern memory as: your usual work commute
    2 - related and share common animal encounters,
    3 - share the already memorized recognition pattern of your neighbor's cat.
    4 - share your already memorized recognition pattern of calico cats.

    If you sleep/dream good enough, your brain will iterate and further optimize/reduce these patterns by walking across which materialize as dreams.

    Your awake activity will bring new data as patterns that will help optimize and compress older memory patterns. In the long run, it may even produce lighter or more optimized memory, merging each duplicate information with "related to". Commonly used relations will wire faster actual synaptic links.

     

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