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China Unblocks Sensitive Keywords

hackingbear writes "Reports from overseas (in Chinese) [Google translation] and Hong Kong-based Chinese media report that China appears to have unblocked several sensitive political keywords. Using Baidu.com, the country's leading search engine, users within the mainland border find, in Chinese, uncensored web page links and images using keywords like Tiananmen and 'June 4'. (Readers can click on the first one to view the images.) Given that the unblocking of these sensitive keywords comes one week after Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao publicly denounced left-wing leader Bo Xilai's movement of 'striking down the ganster while reviving the red culture' as going down the path of Cultural Revolution, it could signal the silent start of a major political change."

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  1. Start of political change? Doubtful. by daveschroeder · · Score: 4, Interesting
    1. Re:Start of political change? Doubtful. by realitycheckplease · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or it just means that they've realised trying to track people who search for the censored terms is likely to be more effective if the searches give results - whereas previously people didn't bother searching because they knew the results were censored.

    2. Re:Start of political change? Doubtful. by jhoegl · · Score: 2

      Exactly... they put honey in some sort of holding container.
      You know... for the bears.

    3. Re:Start of political change? Doubtful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Holy shit.
      The commies are smarter then the recording industry.
      Well I'll be damned.

    4. Re:Start of political change? Doubtful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree with you, and i think that a lot of people forget that China has a history of slow political change. The bloodiest periods of their history coincided with rapid and radical swings to opposing political ideologies, so we can expect their leaders to be much more considerate in their actions as a result. They have a sense of history, and they realize that giving people too much immediate freedom can have lasting detrimental effects on their country so they're taking it slow. You can't always give everyone access to all the information at once or you risk overwhelming them. Now, we can go on denouncing China for their past, or we can work with them as two nations striding into the future.

      We're both stuck together anyway.

    5. Re:Start of political change? Doubtful. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      One can only imagine the Cultural Revilotion by watching BMW's, Jaguar's, and Rolls Royce's parading around the Middle Kingdom.

      Of course, the People's Republic can stand in solidarity, against Steel Re-Bar?

      Now there's a point. Does anyone really believe that The People's Republic is going to be stronger than Madison Ave? Ultimately, marketing will prevail. Consumerism will prevail. And the Cultural Revolution will fall to the same thing the American Revolution fell to: advertising and corporatism.

      Corporate power is so much more potent than any government. It's not even a contest.

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    6. Re:Start of political change? Doubtful. by JimCanuck · · Score: 2

      or if they are more interested in consolidating power for friends in high places and ideological allies?

      Bo was one of the "princelings" having a father who was a high ranking officer with Mao since the start of the Red Revolution in China. It has been a problem for many Chinese that people are attaining power through connections over their abilities. Deng Xiaoping got most of the current leadership involved long after they finished school in technical fields and proved their wroth as scientists, engineers and doctors. In Chinese news, there is a undertone of a fear of going back to the old ways of having a "privileged" class which doesn't actually run the country effectively. Pushing Bo out of office is a sign that generational power transfer will not be tolerated.

      China is becoming more progressive, and while it won't become the United States, or the West, as a country they have a 5,000 year history to back their decisions on, and have another thousand years or so of watching Western culture evolve into the mess we are in today. Something tells me they will not take our form of "progress" but a different approach where the country's needs are more important then the "freedom" of voting which seems to have little effect in Western politics anyways.

      Tiananmen Square was about the people openly protesting what they saw as a government that was leading down the path the dynasties did. Something they knew would not be good for themselves. By allowing Chinese access to the information, it stands to reason that the Chinese people, will actually turn around and support their government for it, and for the measures its been trying to take to prevent a economic slow down of the country, as what typically happens when a government gets old and complacent in any form of Government.

    7. Re:Start of political change? Doubtful. by durrr · · Score: 2

      They aren't communists anymore, it's just inertia that's keeping the name schemes around

    8. Re:Start of political change? Doubtful. by khallow · · Score: 2

      Does anyone really believe that The People's Republic is going to be stronger than Madison Ave?

      Why would you think otherwise?

      Corporate power is so much more potent than any government. It's not even a contest.

      So remarkably stupid on two levels. First, every government is a corporation. It normally doesn't have the limited liability structure of a corporation, mostly because there's little value in having it when the decision makers of a government are usually well shielded from liability through some variation of sovereign immunity.

      Second, the statement completely ignores the vast power that governments have. No business (what one usually thinks of when discussing corporations) can survive long periods of unprofitability, but a government can be eternally unprofitable. Governments create virtually all rent seeking opportunities. And they typically have a monopoly on taxation, law enforcement, and military power.

      At this point, I imagine the most common criticism will be that businesses bribe governments and through that mechanism control government. In other words, businesses pay money to government for goods and services and that's how governments are controlled.

      But do I control Coca Cola by buying a soda from them? A customer controls the supplier only if the customer dominates the business;s demand. Say, if I was responsible for 90% of Coca Cola's profits, then I could exercise that power in great ways to control Coca Cola. But few governments have such a concentration of demand. It's thousands of businesses trying to get their sugar by paying the right government bureaucrats. The power isn't in the hands of the businesses. but in the hands of the bureaucrats who control the goods or services for which the bribes are paid.

      And there's little to no competition between bureaucrats. Either you pay the bribes to someone (usually a fixed set of someones) or you lose the sugar.

    9. Re:Start of political change? Doubtful. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      so - wouldn't limiting government largess be a solution for limiting corporate influence?

      I don't think so. If government was shrunk down to the bare minimum, what would stop your bank from deciding that they're going to raise the interest on your mortgage from 5.25% to 30% because they say so? If you limit government down to the barest minimum, and Wal-Mart decides that the stuff being imported from China is perfectly fine for you to eat, even though it contains melamine?

      There are many many issues for which there are no "free market" solutions. Environmental protections are a great example. Let's say that the energy company decides that the nuclear plant near your house really doesn't need a whole lot of safety precautions, and burying the waste next to your children's school is the most economic thing for them and will save them money. What is the "free market" solution for that? What is the "free market" solution to law enforcement, in terms of creating a society that's orderly enough for commerce to take place? The most powerful corporations don't even have customers or potential customers in the general population, so there really is no possible social limitations that can be placed on them except by government.

      Face it, government is the only possible counter to corporate power, and they're not doing their job in that regard, for at least the past 30 years. There is no other way to limit corporate power except government.

      That's why we have to stand on the government's neck to get them to do what they are supposed to do, which is maintain a rule of law among corporations.

      Thomas Jefferson, in 1816, had this to say about corporations:

      I hope we shall take warning from the example of England and crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our Government to trial and bid defiance to the laws of our country.

      Even back then, just forty years after the founding of the country, the guy who wrote the Declaration of Independence was warning us about big corporations, about a class of super-rich, about the Koch Brothers, and Bain Capital and super-PACs. About Mitt fucking Romney.

      When everybody was making money hand over fist, nobody wanted to listen to Jefferson, but something changed again back in the 1980s, and a serious challenge to the rule of law arose from corporations. In the past few years, we've seen the Supreme Court, the far right bloc on the Supreme Court, bring two major decisions: 1) the Citizens United decision, which allows unlimited, anonymous corporate money to be spent in political campaigns and 2) the Kelo vs City of New London decision, which allows personal property - real property - to be taken from a private party and given to another private party just because the new owner could make more money with it. These two decisions have unleashed the greatest challenge to the rule of law in this country since the Civil War. But now, only a very small minority, about .01% are making money hand over fist, and the vast majority of us are falling behind, making less, working longer, harder, giving up quality of life and quality of life for our families.

      That's why we have no choice but to do everything we can to force the government to keep their foot on the necks of the most powerful corporations until they learn to behave. And if they fail, we have to be prepared to take it to the next level - boycotts, general strikes, civil disobedience. Otherwise, the coming decades are going to be no fun for our kids and grandkids. People my age and older fucked up. We let the whole thing get out of hand because we were all fat and happy. Now we have to try to remember how to work the same mechanisms that our Founding Fathers had to figure out in the second half of the 18th century.

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  2. Relation to possible revolution? by gman003 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd read a few days ago that there was a lot of stuff going around the Chinese blogosphere about a possible coup or revolt going on in Beijing - armored vehicles in the streets, gunshots, and so on. This is second- or third-hand stuff - bloggers->other bloggers->american news - and until this, I figured it was the rough equivalent of the fake death rumors that go around Twitter sometimes. Even combined with the political infighting news, it was "possible but not probable".

    But, in light of this, I'm thinking there might actually be something to it. Probably not a full-fledged revolution, but even violent political maneuverings might be a good thing (if the less-evil faction wins).

    1. Re:Relation to possible revolution? by Guppy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It looks like there's a struggle going on between two major power blocks, triggered after head of the Public Security Bureau in ChongQing, Wang Lijun, attempted to seek shelter (and possibly defect) at a US Consulate -- possibly to save his own life after uncovering corruption involving Bo Xiliai (who at one point had been thought to be a candidate for a top leadership position in China).

      While the US consulate rejected Wang, he is rumored to have turned over a lot of dirt to the US staff before being arrested by Chinese authorities (including rumors that he had info on a possible coup attempt) and now officials are getting purged all over the place. Interesting times.

  3. Admiral Ackbar's message to Chinese dissidents: by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

    "It's a trap!"

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    Ezekiel 23:20
  4. Bo Xilai is a blocked word by andy1307 · · Score: 3, Informative
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303812904577295462500007558.html

    For several days after his ouster, censors took a hands-off approach to online gossip, letting speculation flow freely. That changed this week as popular microblogging site Sina Weibo reinstated an earlier block on searches for Mr. Bo's name and additionally blocked a wide range of user-invented code words for Mr. Bo, including the term "not thick"—a play on Mr. Bo's surname, which means "thin." Searches for Mr. Bo's name, "not thick" and other related terms were also blocked on Tencent Weibo, another of China's popular microblogging sites, which often impose their own blocks in anticipation of what the government will deem sensitive.

  5. Brave, educated or foolish? by Teun · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If this is not an error but a conscious change in policy one has to wonder whether it's a brave, educated or foolish move.

    China is a vast multicultural society only held together by a sometimes ruthless dictatorship.

    Releasing the reins too fast can have some very disturbing side effects.

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    "The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
    1. Re:Brave, educated or foolish? by twistofsin · · Score: 2

      If this is not an error but a conscious change in policy one has to wonder whether it's a brave, educated or foolish move.

      China is a vast multicultural society only held together by a sometimes ruthless dictatorship.

      Releasing the reins too fast can have some very disturbing side effects.

      Why can't it be all 3?

      China may have diverse cultures but I think they have a strong political unity. Overall I don't think it's the dictatorship itself that keeps them in line, they also share a strong belief that their gov't has everyone's interests in mind.

  6. Re:Left-wing? by Sir_Sri · · Score: 3, Interesting

    do you seriously believe a contentious current figure, in a secretive state is going to get an honest rap from Wikipedia?

    Anyone in the echelons of power is an elitist, or crazy, it's a matter of degree, and what you're trying to do with that power.

  7. Perhaps its an official "adjustment" on Tianamen by voss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Jiang Zemin was the party leader in shanghai during Tianmen who was able to stop the protests in shanghai without resorting to violence. Wen Jibao would not have publicly denounced Bo Xiliai without the approval of Jiang Zemin. It is likely the chinese government may be willing to adjust its view of the June 4th protesters to call them "sincere if misguided citizens seeking reform" and the ones who sought the crackdown were "hardliners" like Li Peng and use this as an excuse to purge the "red culture" and other hardliners faction from the party.

    Also look and see if Zhao Ziyang gets rehabilitated posthumously.

  8. Not everything unblocked... by f3rret · · Score: 2

    Like, try searching for 'falun gong' then baidu.com stops responding. At least for me.

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  9. Re:Perhaps its an official "adjustment" on Tianame by Guppy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wen Jibao would not have publicly denounced Bo Xiliai without the approval of Jiang Zemin.

    I'm not sure I understand this interpretation. To me, it looked like a direct shot from Hu Jintao / Wen Jiabao aimed right at Jiang Zemin's faction. They're opening up the Great Firewall because the majority of the information circulating on the western side is more embarrassing to Jiang than to Hu/Wen. Not only that, but it's allowing dirt regarding Bo Xilai / Zhou Yongkang to get back through to Chinese citizens in a roundabout way, bypassing domestic news sources (who, even when encouraged by the nominally-in-charge authorities to report, find themselves paralyzed and unwilling to possibly end up on the losing side, once the purges are over).

  10. Re:Left-wing? by Guppy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why is Bo Xilai called a left-wing leader? Wikipedia portrays him as an "elitist" who sometimes supports leftist policies.

    It's relative to the peculiar (and seemingly contradictory) factional politics of mainland China.

    Bo Xilai is aligned with the "Shanghai Princeling" faction; their members are mostly descendants of the original generation of Communist leaders. Generally this group has been seen as elitist and market-oriented. Yet at the same time, Bo Xilai was known for instituting populist welfare programs, busting "criminal gangs" (and according to rumors, ordinary businessmen whose assets were coveted by the government) and encouraging Mao-era culture and ideology.

    Their major rival faction, the Tuanpai faction, arose from members of the Communist Youth League; few of their members came from privileged backgrounds, including current General Secretary Hu Jintao (whose father was denounced during the Cultural Revolution). Their faction is generally considered populist, with special emphasis on social harmony.

    Given these descriptions, it would be difficult for a Western observer to assign labels like "Left" or "Right" to these groups, but it makes sense from a Chinese perspective.

  11. Re:I'll believe it when by JimCanuck · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Tibet had accepted its place as part of China since before there was a Dalai Lama, the 13th century to be precise, 2 decades before the first Dalai Lama.

    The little "take over" of Tibet by the PRC in the early 1950's was caused by British meddling in Tibet, first in 1913 with trying to push the new Republic of China to make Tibet a Autonomous region of China, as they tried to take parts of Southern Tibet and incorporate them into the British ruled India. When they attempted to merge 9,000 km squared worth of territory.

    Then the British started to arm the Tibetans, and they launched attacks into the rest of China in the 1930s, where a Muslim Chinese Army and a Han Army crushed them.

    When 1934 came around and the 13th Dalai Lama died, and the Tibetan government reaffirmed that Tibet was still a part of China as a autonomous region. To which Tibet is still classified today, along with 4 other provinces for 4 other minority groups. Most of which enjoy much greater freedoms then Tibet because they are not consistently starting problems for the central government. Two of which are Muslim autonomous regions, where in one was the power base of the Muslim war lord who helped crush the Tibetan attack into China mentioned above.

    The Chinese Government in 1940 affirmed and allowed the 14th Dalai Lama selected to be named that and continue to be their spiritual leader. Something that is still kicking around in video tape form as it was filmed as a ceremony in Beijing.

    Was not till 1947 that Tibet tried to act independently, at which point, the situation started to break down, and after the Communist take over of China, did they decide to re-exert their rule of Tibet, which again has been going on for over 800 years. Along with removing the power of the land lords and lama's in Tibet, as they did in the rest of China. As serfism is contrary communist teachings, and contrary to our own freedoms, as its a form of generational slavery to your landlord.

    As a Greek, you should know, British meddling into countries affairs is never a good thing, lead us to one Civil War all about installing a Danish king back into power. Perhaps next time read some history and understand the situation in your own "native" land before opening your mouth about another country?

  12. Re:I'll believe it when by JimCanuck · · Score: 2


    Buddhists, Taoists, Muslims, Catholics, Protestants and Jews, are welcomed to practice in China, as long as they denounce any connection with any external of China leadership. Such as Chinese Catholics do not hold the Vatican in any way, shape or form, as their "leadership". Officially there is about a third of the population who are religious. Some estimates put it greater then half of the population. There are some pretty big places of worship in China, that make some of our Western places of worship seem pale in comparison.

    For example, the government commissioned a 105 meter tall statue of Guan Yin for Buddhists, that you can see here ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/HainanSanya2.jpg ) which is the 4th largest in the world built in 2005. The largest statue in the world being another CCP production at 128 meters and a cost of 18 million USD, was built in 2002 again for Buddhists ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Spring_Temple_Buddha_picturing_Vairocana%2C_in_Lushan_County%2C_Henan%2C_China.jpg.png ) ... which comparison wise makes the Statue of Liberty seem rather small ... ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Height_comparison_of_notable_statues_01.jpg )

    Well that your willing to keep the Religion Chinese in origin and that your not going to use it as a front for political protests and ideologies contrary to the Communist Party's rule. Which really is very simple to understand and stay on the good side of the government, at least for most of the religions currently practicing in China.

  13. Re:I'll believe it when by Asic+Eng · · Score: 2

    That seems more or less the official PRC version of Tibetan history. To start it's worth pointing out that Tibet has it's own language, culture and writing system and is ethnically separate from the Han people who make up the majority of the PRC.

    Tibet had been an autonomous region, since the mid 19th century Qing influence was mainly symbolic and of little practical consequence. In 1904 the British invaded, in 1910 the Qing did, and in 1912 the Tibetans got rid of the Qing. In 1950 the PRC conquered Tibet.

    There is more, of course - but given that you left out everything going against the PRC case, it makes sense to add a few of those back in.

    Ultimately what it comes down to: if the Tibetans don't want to belong to the PRC they shouldn't be forced to. After so many years of government by the PRC the Tibetans should now be able to see how much they benefit if they stay part of it. Surely there was enough time to convince them?

    Give them a free and open vote. If after all this time the people of Tibet still don't want to be governed by Beijing, then Tibet does not belong to China.

  14. Re:I'll believe it when by JimCanuck · · Score: 2

    That seems more or less the official PRC version of Tibetan history. To start it's worth pointing out that Tibet has it's own language, culture and writing system and is ethnically separate from the Han people who make up the majority of the PRC.

    That is perhaps because its the recorded history that predates the PRC for the most part, and you cannot really outright lie about it when its written the same way in textbooks all over the world.

    Tibet had been an autonomous region, since the mid 19th century Qing influence was mainly symbolic and of little practical consequence. In 1904 the British invaded, in 1910 the Qing did, and in 1912 the Tibetans got rid of the Qing. In 1950 the PRC conquered Tibet.

    You have one relatively large problem with your over all line of thinking, in 1912 when the "uprising" happened, there was no Qing Dynasty anymore. Instead no, all the Tibetans did is attack a garrison of Qing troops still in the region, while the commander's (Zhao Erfeng) own troops openly revolted against him as well as they were fans of the Xinhai revolution that had already ended the Dynasty. The Dynasty's asserting control over Tibet, after Tibet started to try and veto agreements between China and Britain about Tibet, started in 1905, not 1910.

    Additionally Tibet, like many other regions of today's China have always been "autonomous" regions under Federal country of the current ruling system of government for all of China. Doesn't mean they were not Federally incorporated into China for 800 years, nor does it mean they were "free". Instead they were enjoying the benefits of a pre-US Civil War style of government. Where the states were semi-independent entities.

    Facts, and dates, a tell tale sign someone didn't actually do any research before opening their mouth. Or in this case before typing something.