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You're Driving All Wrong, Says NHTSA

antdude writes "This MSNBC Bottom Line story/article says that 'If you're a conscientious motorist who still does everything the way your driver's-ed instructor told you to, you're doing it all wrong. For decades, the standard instruction was that drivers should hold the steering wheel at the 10 and 2 positions, as envisioned on a clock. This, it turns out, is no longer the case. In fact, driving that way could cost you your arms or hands in particularly gruesome ways if your airbag deploys. Instead AAA, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and many driving instructors now say you should grip the wheel at 9 and 3 o'clock. A few go even further, suggesting 8 and 4 to avoid the airbag mechanism as much as possible, but what formal research has been published on the varieties of hand positions suggests that this may lessen your control of the car.'" I usually hold even lower on the wheel, perhaps 4:30 and 7:30, but I also drive with my seat pushed farther forward than most people like. Drivers, what's your approach?

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  1. One hand, 12 o'clock ... by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... like a boss.

    1. Re:One hand, 12 o'clock ... by stevegee58 · · Score: 5, Funny

      And the other arm hanging out the window.

    2. Re:One hand, 12 o'clock ... by John+Bresnahan · · Score: 5, Informative

      I was driving like that when I got in to an accident. The air bag threw my hand up into the windshield hard enough for it to punch a hole in the windshield.

      Fortunately, there wasn't too much damage to my hand, but a decade later, the scar on the back of my hand is still evident.

      I no longer drive with a hand at the 12:00 position. It's 3:00 and 9:00 for me.

    3. Re:One hand, 12 o'clock ... by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 5, Funny

      One hand holding a cognac, the other holding the girl...
      The chauffeur sits in the front and drives whatever way he wants.

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    4. Re:One hand, 12 o'clock ... by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not bad, but I prefer to use one hand at 6 o'clock. I sometimes worry that it might lessen my control of the car a bit when compared to the classic 10 and 2, but it's the only position comfortable enough for a quick nap.

    5. Re:One hand, 12 o'clock ... by jamesh · · Score: 5, Funny

      When something happens, I'll be in a giant flaming ball of fire, so I'll have other things to worry about.

      Are you driving the last Pinto?

    6. Re:One hand, 12 o'clock ... by viperidaenz · · Score: 5, Funny

      The girl? You mean you only have one?

    7. Re:One hand, 12 o'clock ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From what I observe, regardless of hand position most drivers are doing it wrong. Tailgating, cutting people off, never use turn signals, not accelerating before trying to merge on to a highway, running stop signs. I see almost all of this every day on the way to work, and it's only 17km. Hand position is the least of their problems.

    8. Re:One hand, 12 o'clock ... by 7-Vodka · · Score: 5, Funny

      I guy in Brazil got pulled over because he had one on the wheel and one around his hot Brazilian woman.
      The cop tells him "Sir, don't you think you should be using both hands?"
      The driver says "certainly, but who would drive the car?!"

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    9. Re:One hand, 12 o'clock ... by Macman408 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I tried the 10 and 2 positioning once, but I couldn't get my knees that high.

    10. Re:One hand, 12 o'clock ... by element-o.p. · · Score: 5, Funny

      Read it again. He said his hands hit the window, not his feats! :P

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    11. Re:One hand, 12 o'clock ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Of course, over here in Europe (you know, where the history comes from) these injuries are incredibly rare.

      We have this great device called a seat belt, which is compulsory to wear. Our airbags are known as "SRS" - the Supplimentary Restraint System. They don't explode at you with anywhere near the force of the US ones because they're not trying to restrain your entire body - just cushion the impact of your head upon the steering wheel or dashboard. The massive force required to restrain the body is provided by the seat belt, enhanced in most cases these days by an impact-triggered tightening mechanism.

      It puzzles me why a population would choose the "freedom" to not wear a seatbelt and then happily accept the consequence - a much bigger explosive device mounted right in front of you. Just look up the statistics for babies killed in front passenger seats - these are accidents that happen over there, not over here.

      Still, I'm sure you have a really good reason for doing things this way around. Surely you do.... no one would be THAT dumb, right?

      (apologies for the anon posting - the /. login mechanism appears currently unable to cope with my (albeit somewhat strange) username....)

    12. Re:One hand, 12 o'clock ... by lexsird · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, here in the America, (you know, where the present and future are) we live large and thus dangerously. If you seen the size of the vehicles and the traffic here, you would understand. You would probably want more bags placed all around you, and you wouldn't care if they hurt you a little if they went off wrong. But instead, you would not want to live here, you would go home where things are nice and safe.

      We are born and bred to this madness; to us, it's mother's milk.

      So, my fine feathered friend, if you come to America, leave the pop-can with wheels at home. It may sip gas from a tea cup and be very practical there, but here with it, when you are screaming down an Interstate that goes through or around an major US city, at rush hour, doing 85 MPH to keep up with traffic, which at the moment are all semi-trucks that have you sewn in from all sides, front and back, you will need to clean the driver's seat when you pull over. If you come to America, drive an American car, made by Americans for American drivers and roads.

      It will make sense, trust me.

      (Or just make sure it's a convertible, embrace the madness, laugh and drive like a madman in the wind.)

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    13. Re:One hand, 12 o'clock ... by scharkalvin · · Score: 5, Funny

      He transports nuclear warheads IN A PINTO.

  2. "Drivers, what's your approach?" by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Funny

    I let my wife drive. I need my hands to hold my beer.

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  3. Proper position by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

    Left elbow out the window, steering wheel held by hanging thumb on steering wheel spoke. Right hand either: manipulating some text messaging device, hanging over back of bench seat or trying to slip up the skirt of some babe sitting next to me.

    Front seat passengers should place feet up on the dashboard immediately on top of passenger airbag deployment panel to ensure major foot/leg injuries in the event of deployment.

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    1. Re:Proper position by AG+the+other · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves. "
      Albert Einstein

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    2. Re:Proper position by msauve · · Score: 5, Funny

      Einstein didn't drive, and married his cousin.

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  4. I disable my airbag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I sit so far back from the wheel that it would not do me any good anyway, and the collision threshold is typically set so low that the airbag actually presents a greater threat than is justifiable. In a low-speed collision where the car does not come to a stop, it might still be necessary to control the vehicle afterwards. If your arms have been blown off the steering wheel and possibly broken/severed by it, that's not possible, and can lead to secondary, even more injurious collisions.

    I know this because I was involved in just such a collision (with a deer) where the airbag caused me to lose control of my vehicle, and my arms were broken so badly I could not turn the wheel to avoid having a second, must worse collision (with a tree), which killed my wife and 4 year old son, and left me paralyzed from the waist down.

    They told me my son was killed instantly, and it took my wife 8 days to pass away in intensive care. I did not wake up from my coma until day 9. That was the worst day of my life.

  5. Lose the airbags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    My friend says that everyone would drive a whole lot more safely if there was a huge, sharp metal spike on the steering wheel that was pointed toward the driver's chest. I think he might be right.

  6. Re:Non-sense! by stoofa · · Score: 5, Funny

    You don't believe in fingers? I guess that's what happens from watching Myth Busters with a ton of narcotics flowing through your veins. "Hey, I always knew there was no such thing as fingers," you told the giant purple amradillo while waving a blurry hand in front of your own knees.

  7. Carlin ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now, a few basic points about driving. One of the first things they teach you in Driver's Ed is where to put your hands on the steering wheel. They tell you put 'em at ten o'clock and two o'clock. Never mind that. I put mine at 9:45 and 2:17. Gives me an extra half hour to get where I'm goin'.

    -George Carlin

  8. It doesn't matter where I grip the wheel by kawabago · · Score: 5, Funny

    My fingers still get crushed when I start moving.

  9. Stupid units by Hentes · · Score: 5, Funny

    For decades, the standard instruction was that drivers should hold the steering wheel at the 10 and 2 positions, as envisioned on a clock.

    What is with you Americans having to use these stupid units for everything? Is it that hard to say pi/6 and 5*pi/6 that everyone can understand?

    1. Re:Stupid units by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now that complaint is just plain irrational.

    2. Re:Stupid units by guttentag · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is the 21st century. A lot of 16-year-olds think of their phone when you say the word "clock," so instructors have had to update their lesson: "you grip the steering wheel at the signal strength and battery life positions. Remember STRENGTH and LIFE. You may get signal attenuation if you dont have a bumper, but you'll live longer."

  10. Watch professional racers by TheMiddleRoad · · Score: 5, Informative

    They have their hands at 3 and 9 usually. That has the most control.

    Professional crashers (yes, they exist) put their hands up at the sides of their head.

    For the most control, you should sit close enough to the steering wheel that your shoulders remain against the seat. Sit upright, not leaning back. Make sure your legs are close enough that you can easily flatten the brake pedal to the floor.

    Shorter-armed drivers should be careful, though. Sitting too close to an airbag is bad. 10 inches to the sternum is the minimum safe distance. Most of us drive easily farther away than that.

  11. Re: 8 and 4 by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is what most professional race drivers have done for decades, for several reasons.

    Professional racecar drivers let go of the steering wheel entirely when things go pear shaped,
    otherwise they might break their thumbs or wrists due to a sharp jerk of the steering wheel.
    This is the most recent example I can recall: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K1CpII2yJM&t=77s

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