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Bill Introduced To Ban Sale of MA15+ Games To Anyone Under 18 in SA

dotarray writes "The introduction of an R18+ rating for video games into Australia has been designed to bring game classification in line with the current system in place for films and other media. One state, however, would like to widen that gap." This is being billed (by John Rau's office) as a saner approach than eliminating the MA15+ rating entirely.

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  1. Games are an easy political issue by bonch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is there still political uproar over games after all these years? It may have been understandable in the mid-1990s when Doom and Mortal Kombat were portraying a level of violence people hadn't seen in games before in such detail, but that time has passed without effect, and the attention given to games today feels disproportionate. It's just an easy, uncontroversial issue for politicians to pick up in order to appeal to family-first voters.

    1. Re:Games are an easy political issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Because people over 35 haven't played games as a kid.

      Way to over-generalize facts that you pulled out of your ass, kid. I'm 39 and I grew up with videogames. The Atari 2600 was released in October 1977, when I was five years old. The Computer Space arcade game was released in 1971, roughly one year before I was even born.

      I can make up facts too, check this out: People over 25 never used compact discs in their life, all they know is MP3 files.

    2. Re:Games are an easy political issue by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Atari 2600 was released in October 1977,

      1983 In Australia, how do I know, I was five when it came out.

      The Atari 2600 sold 30 million units over it's entire life span throughout the entire world, so not that many people. For comparison, Nintendo sold that many Wii's in it's first year and the 2600 was sold from 1977 to 1992.

      Further more, on release it cost US$199. Add to that the AUD fetched US$0.70 in 83, that's $260 for the console. That would be if things were actually priced according to the exchange rate. The real cost of an Atari 2600 in Australia was $400 in 1983 dollars (cant be arsed figuring out inflation). Now the average wage in 1983 was around the $350-380 mark.

      So armed with those facts, I can say not that many people over 35 grew up with consoles.

      Gaming really made it's mark in the 90's with the NES/SNES and their inferior Sega counterparts (punk kids, think their console war is a new thing).

      The thing we're facing now, is that gaming has gone from being a new innovation to an accepted part of life and this shows a huge generation gap between the under 35's who grew up with gaming and the over 35's who didn't. There may be some over 35's who gamed but the overwhelming majority didn't.

      So nice way to over-generalise and pull facts out of your arse (generalise and arse spelled correctly for a discussion about Australia, thank you). You dont even have decent supposition to support your argument and yes, I did register your sample of 1, you are the anomaly, not the norm.

      I'm 36. Most of the people I knew had Atari's when I was a child. Myself, I was programming on a VIC 20 in grade school. Both were available at Canadian Tire for a pretty reasonable price. Commodore 64's were so inexpensive I was able to pay for mine with my paper route. I spent junior high school swapping C64 games on 5 1/2 inch floppy disks. One of my favorites was the barbarian sword fighting game, where if you got just the right finishing move, you'd decapitate your opponent and the little green goblin that drags the body away kicks his head like a soccer ball. Great fun.

      Hell, we even had portable versions of Pac Man, Donkey Kong and Q~bert for long car trips.

      And, of course, if you were really too poor to own any of the above, there were arcade machines EVERYWHERE.

      Maybe you just need to recognize that, inane sarcasm about sample sizes aside, you don't have the slightest clue what you're fucking talking about. Of course, you're quite free to continue believing fiction if you like.

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    3. Re:Games are an easy political issue by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      Look at this hand trying to protect your family while the other hand takes away your right to competition, privacy, and underhandedness.

      They may take away my right to competition.
      They may take away my right to privacy.
      But they will NEVER take away my right to underhandedness!

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    4. Re:Games are an easy political issue by Stormwatch · · Score: 3, Funny

      and their inferior Sega counterparts

      Troll detected.

    5. Re:Games are an easy political issue by sg_oneill · · Score: 2

      Well I'm about 2 years shy of 40, and I can say pretty much every kid my age had commodore 64s, amstrads, sinclairs, Apple II, Pets, Ataris, Dick smitch wizzards (remember those?), and so on.

      So from one australian to another, your either full of shit, or grew up sheltered.

      Don't speak for me thanks.

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    6. Re:Games are an easy political issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The M rating is only advisory.

      The MA15+ rating is actually a legal restriction, although a legal guardian is allowed to let a child under 15 view the media.

      R18+ is even further restricted. To view the material someone has to be over 18, allowing someone under 18 to watch it is an offence. It makes a big difference.

    7. Re:Games are an easy political issue by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lots of things can easily be cited.

      For example I can cite that the rise in global temperatures is associated with the decrease in the number of pirates.

    8. Re:Games are an easy political issue by Gideon+Wells · · Score: 2

      Human nature. We tend to overlook what is common to us and villainize what is different. Politics, religion, what drugs get outlawed, etc. The same too for mediums such as this.

      Socrates, allegedly since we only have Plato's writings to go on about him here, felt writing was dangerous thing. Then you had books, people who thought plays were immoral, television, the Internet, so forth.

      As XKCD made a comic about, there are now kids who were blowing their NES cartridges (the memories...) who are now doctors. There is at least one news commentator who frequently mentions the games she played in her youth, and has used game analogies. There is now video game coverage on Forbes.com, not sure about their paper though, that actually took time to comment on the Mass Effect 3 ending fiasco.

      The political uproar will die down slowly depending on when and where games began to seep into their country's culture. In the U.S.? I say one more generation, at least. My state is just now losing a state politician that was a WWII vet. Not disrespecting, but to remind people we have people who remember the great depression still creating and passing laws in parts of this country.

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    9. Re:Games are an easy political issue by dexotaku · · Score: 4, Funny

      "5 1/2 inch floppy disks."

      Please hand in your geek cred at the front desk. ;)

    10. Re:Games are an easy political issue by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2

      He's referring to the fact that I was half asleep and referred to them as 5 1/2 inch instead of 5 1/4 inch.

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    11. Re:Games are an easy political issue by joebagodonuts · · Score: 3
      Right - because everyone *knows* kids pick up behavior from games.

      They never pick up behaviors from those around them. Like their parents. Nope. No sir. It's the games.

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    12. Re:Games are an easy political issue by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      The size was 5 1/4" for those floppy disks. And if you want to be dated there are the single sided and double sided, standard density, double density, and high density.
      I have fond memories of the Single Sided Disks where when running a program it would ask me to flip the disk over and press any key.

      The 3 1/2 that were in a much harder plastic and those nifty spring loaded covers that meant you didn't need to fiddle with those paper/cardboard cloths, and plastic switches to make the disk read only or not. Where before you needed to either put a sticker around the tab to make it read only... or to make a read only disk readable you would take a paper punch and very carefully punch a hole in the disk casing.

      Both Floppy Disks had head cleaning disks which had a white fabric disk inside that you dropped a cleaning solution in and popped the disk in and did a DIR command or other things to spin the disk and sounded like your drive will catch on fire with all the noise.

      People when they started getting the 3 1/2 floppy disks though they were hard disks because of their hard plastic coverings... I got blank stares when I tried to explain to them that there is a disk inside that is floppy. Also why would they call it a disk if it was shaped like a square. And a real hard disk was inside the computer and it was called a hard disk because the actual disk was quite rigid.

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    13. Re:Games are an easy political issue by JosKarith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Kids pick up behaviour from everything. I grew up with lots of dogs in the house and still have bad habits loike sniffing my food and hitting stairs at a quadrapedal run.
      Here's a concept - rather than more and more rules on what people can do to protect your precious little crotchfruit how's about taking some personal responsibility for that thing that came from you. Teach the kid right and wrong, don't leave it to Uncle TeVee or Aunty Internet. Teach them respect for themselves and other people and that gutter language doesn't make you look big, it makes you look like a child trying too hard to look big.
      But I guess you've already done the easy/fun bit. Everything else is Someone Else's responsibility...
      (BTW joebagofdonuts this isn't a personal rant at you - it's just a general What The hell Is Wrong With You All rant aimed at the world in general)

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  2. How to beat the system? by Mattygfunk1 · · Score: 4, Informative
    So most of us realize prohibition doesn't work, so as a non-gamer, I'm curious as top how the l33t get around the ban.

    Is there a black market for R18+ games? Can you just torrent them?

    Surely Aussies don't just accept that the games are censored.

    1. Re:How to beat the system? by UgLyPuNk · · Score: 5, Informative

      you hop on the Internet and order them from another State, South Australia is like, California or Colorado. That or we order them from another Asian nation, where we pay half the price for them. as In Australia game prices are stupid high.

    2. Re:How to beat the system? by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      If you want to, say, play left 4 dead 2 online on xbox, can you just buy a copy from one of those asian nations and go online with them? Australia having it's own region codes, you couldn't play it on an australian xbox, and couldn't play an asian version on an asian console in australia?

    3. Re:How to beat the system? by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      If there is no legal avenue to buy something, people will end up obtaining it without buying it. The industry tends to refer to it as pirating.

    4. Re:How to beat the system? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's harder than that. It depends on where you are and what risks you want to take.

      For example here in WA since we don't have and R18 rating for games, the games are refused classification. Simple possession of RC material is a criminal offense with maximum penalties including jail time, yes even for something like the last mortal kombat game.

      It's thornier for movies such pornography though, for example anything with actual penetration is X18, but that classification only exists in Canberra. So its legal to walk into an adult shop and purchase a video there, you are allowed to own in in most states, but drive across the border to WA or NT and you can end up in jail.

    5. Re:How to beat the system? by Rebelgecko · · Score: 2

      Importing classified material? What games are you playing?!?

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    6. Re:How to beat the system? by Falconhell · · Score: 2

      Best place in the world to live SA! The most progressive state in OZ. First state to give women the vote and first to legalize homosexuality. We're always ahead of the game!

    7. Re:How to beat the system? by bloodhawk · · Score: 2

      Most xbox games aren't actually region locked. For instance I buy many of my games from the US/Asia and sometimes the UK and I play them all happily on my Xbox in Australia. Some of the online content for games though is locked to specific regions (well at least they don't publish the content into regions where the game is supposedly not available).

    8. Re:How to beat the system? by Cimexus · · Score: 2

      The Office of Film and Literature Classification (a statutory authority set up by legislation, though not strictly part of 'the government') does it.

    9. Re:How to beat the system? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Is there a black market for R18+ games?

      There's no black market because the ruling only applies to games sold in Australia and really only affect brick and mortar stores. Where do I get my banned / uncensored versions of games?

      Well aside from torrenting as the obvious place there's no reason you can't get them from ebay, or any online store which doesn't follow censorship rulings. Steam is a classically weird case. They're not an Australian company and they have no presence here so theoretically there's no reason for them to ban / censor games. However in cases where they do the censorship only applies to that version of the game. i.e. I can't buy a copy of Left4Dead2 with full blood and gore as it is not available in the store. However someone from any other country can buy it in the store and then gift it to us.

      We had a little ring going on a while ago. I wonder if Steam ever caught on to the fact that one American gamer bought 16 copies of Left4Dead2 and gifted 15 of them away.

    10. Re:How to beat the system? by AbRASiON · · Score: 2

      South Australias capital is Adelaide, it's slogan is "city of churches" (or was)
      It's a nasty backwards place mostly filled with savages, few of the civilised Aussies live there at all.

      Furthermore, as an Aussie myself, I must ask - what self respecting Aussie would buy Australian? Do you really want to pay 110$ (115$ US) for a game we can import for 40$ US? including shipping?

      So the South Australians (which haven't been eaten by the savages) will continue to import like the rest of us.

  3. Re:15 year olds can't buy games rated for 15 years by game+kid · · Score: 2

    Governments aren't exactly renowned for their counting and accounting skills. It's like they try to look stupid to win the "I don't care 'bout that 'math[s]' shit" vote.

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  4. Re:15 year olds can't buy games rated for 15 years by matthobbs05 · · Score: 5, Informative
    [From TFA]

    Therefore, my intention is that the South Australian legislation will prevent the sale of MA15+ games to minors. This move will give parents greater certainty about the appropriateness of games for their children.

    From what I gather, the aim is to make parents/guardians responsible for the content they are viewing/playing, and forcing them (or anyone over 18) to be there at the time of purchase.

    However, this goes against the description of the MA15+ rating...

    [From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Classification_Board ]

    MA15+ (Mature Accompanied for those under 15) - Persons under said age may only legally purchase, rent, exhibit or view MA15+ rated content under the supervision of an adult guardian. The exhibition of these films to people under the age of 15 years who are not supervised by an adult guardian is a criminal offence. Recommended for 14-15+.

  5. Article is misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actual South Australian here - This is actually A Good Thing.

    For about 15-20 years our ratings have been E - Exempt, G - for general exhibition, PG - Parental guidance, M15+, MA15+ and R18+ and X18+.

    This removes the bullshit rating of ma15 plus, basically it's an M with 'a bit more but not quite an R'.

    There hasn't been an R18 for games, so this is where they were all shoehorned, into this ma15+ category.

    More info - see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Classification_Board#Film_and_video_game_classifications

  6. I can't be the only one.... by Lord_of_the_nerf · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that thinks we shouldn't be asking the state with the City of Churches how to protect children.

    It's a bit like putting Hunter S. Thompson in charge of the uppers.

  7. Re:South Australia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a state within Australia. We have several, including one which looks like a hairy vagina that we all forget about when we draw a map.

    South Australia's capital is called Adelaide. It's nickname is the City of Churches because it has a crapload of churches and a proportionate number of wacko religious fucknuts to go with it. Sunday trading is still an issue and newcomers to the state are hazed by being murdered and dissolve in acid in a barrel and left in a bank vault. Their courts are full of lesbian vampire murderers. Weirdly enough they have a relaxed attitude towards dope and you can have a certain number of plants for "personal use". I call it a place to retire.

    Ben Folds lives there.

    All of the above is true. I swear it's too good to make up.

  8. Re:South Australia? by dbIII · · Score: 2

    Their courts are full of lesbian vampire murderers.

    That was Brisbane (and across the street from where I lived once) unless Adelaide had that as well. The bodies in barrels in a bank vault (Snowtown) was definitely in South Australia though. They grow strange people in politics and good bands there.

  9. Burning plastic is toxic... by RandomStr · · Score: 2

    Just politicians demonstrating how irrelevant and out-of-touch with they are with society in general...

    Imagine if they where trying to ban sales of a board game, or books? Talk about inappropriate usage of public funds!

    Also, how ironic that they would target an age group of people who are just about to make the first political decision/vote in there life; Which way do you think they'll vote. First impression count much for you?

    And who is this supposed to be scoring points for? Could it be that there is an ulterior motive; history has showed us that's a slippery and dangerous path...

  10. I dont see anything wrong with that by issicus · · Score: 2

    kids should not be able to buy content that is violent, graphic, has sex (not often) and mature themes. Theaters have been doing it for years. the target market for video games is kids, I am sure that had nothing to do with a lax rating system.

  11. Re:South Australia? by Cimexus · · Score: 2

    Six States ... and two Territories (ACT and NT). While they are constitutionally treated a bit differently than the states (e.g. less representatives in the Federal Senate), they both also have their own legislatures/governments.

    So for most intents and purposes, Australia has 8 separate 'subdivisions' that are analogous to States in the USA (even if two of them are not technically States).

    Simple map showing location of the 8 States/Territories here

  12. Re:Pedant alert. by Cimexus · · Score: 2

    Only if you live in a place where you need to actually refer to South Africa often enough to need an acronym for it. That'd be like complaining that WA refers to Washington state in America instead of Western Australia. Or that CA can be California (state code), or Canada (country code). All depends on where you are.

    But if you really want to get pedantic, SA (or technically, AU-SA) is the official state code for South Australia under ISO 3166-2. South Africa is ZA.

  13. Re:Pedant alert. by Aaron+B+Lingwood · · Score: 2

    Internationally, "SA" usually refers to South Africa, not South Australia.

    According to Google's "I feel lucky", SA refers to Sexaholics Anonymous
    Or maybe Google has just profiled me and I should feel really embarrassed.

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  14. This is NOT prohibition by janimal · · Score: 2

    A rating of 15+ or 18+ is not prohibition, kids. It just means you should take your parents to the shop to buy you that 15+ or 18+ game. If they buy it for you, no government is going to stop you from blowing some virtual guy's head off.

    IOW. Move along.