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Matt Groening Reveals Springfield Is In His Home State of Oregon

First time accepted submitter TheSeventh writes "Simpsons creator Matt Groening has revealed the location of the real Springfield: It's in Oregon. In an interview with Smithsonian magazine, Groening credits the name to the hit TV show Father Knows Best. The show 'took place in the town of Springfield, and I was thrilled because I imagined that it was the town next to Portland, my hometown,' he says. 'When I grew up, I realized it was just a fictitious name. I also figured out that Springfield was one of the most common names for a city in the U.S. In anticipation of the success of the show, I thought, 'This will be cool; everyone will think it's their Springfield.' And they do.'"

148 comments

  1. Springfield located!!! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 0

    ...um... yay? I guess?

  2. Funny... by Hartree · · Score: 5, Funny

    I always thought it was inside my television.

    1. Re:Funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even stranger, I've never seen a lesbian couple on The Simpsons.

    2. Re:Funny... by krept · · Score: 1

      There was that episode where Marge started hanging out with those "Real housewives" or something. Turns out they were just closet lesbians.

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    3. Re:Funny... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      People here in Springfield, IL are shocked. We have the Simpsons' Springfield rivals with the same name as a town right down the highway, we had a dead ringer for Mr Burns running the power company (retired last year), a dead ringer for Mayor Quimby (committed suicide last year), a dead ringer for the TV news announcer at local station WICS (retired 2 years ago).

      We have Ward 2 alderman Gail Simpson.

      And the town is full of cartoon characters, especially if you drink and take Paxil.

    4. Re:Funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah - but all the streets in Portland are named after Simpson's characters... err.

    5. Re:Funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other way around.

    6. Re:Funny... by Hartree · · Score: 1

      "And the town is full of cartoon characters"

      Not all of it. Just the part near the state legislature and governors mansion. And a goodly portion of them are imported from that disneyland up north of I-80.

      (I watch from a safe distance over near Champaign-Urbana. :)

  3. Wrong by readandburn · · Score: 5, Informative

    From Wikipedia... Due to the many contradictory statements regarding Springfield, it is impossible for the town to exist in any specific U.S. state. For example, in The Simpsons Movie, Ned Flanders tells Bart that Ohio, Nevada, Maine, and Kentucky all border Springfield's state. The city's unknown and unknowable geography is a recurring joke in the series; despite the "riddle wrapped in an enigma that is Springfield's location", Lisa Simpson states that "it's a bit of a mystery, yes. But if you look at the clues, you can figure it out." Episodes frequently make fun of the fact that Springfield's state is unidentifiable by adding further conflicting descriptions, obscuring onscreen map representations, and interrupting conversational references. The telephone area codes for Springfield are 636 (St. Charles County - Western St. Louis County, Missouri) and 939 (Puerto Rico). David Silverman has claimed that Springfield is in the fictional state of "North Takoma". This is substantiated by the state abbreviations NT and TA used within the show. However, this has never been officially confirmed in any canonical episode of The Simpsons or by other Simpsons producers.

    1. Re:Wrong by emurphy42 · · Score: 2, Informative
      From TFA:

      Springfield was named after Springfield, Oregon. ...
      You’ve never said it was named after Springfield, Oregon, before, have you?
      I don’t want to ruin it for people, you know? Whenever people say it’s Springfield, Ohio, or Springfield, Massachusetts, or Springfield, wherever, I always go, "Yup, that’s right."

    2. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Ah, slashdot pedantry at its best, when people think they now better than the writer of an obviously fictional story.

    3. Re:Wrong by cavtroop · · Score: 0, Troll

      did you really just cite Wikipedia over the CREATOR of the show?

    4. Re:Wrong by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      He's also said somewhere, I think on the DVD commentary tracks but perhaps somewhere else, that the town itself is in many ways modeled after Portland, so again this is no real surprise. (With convenient additions of whatever geography is needed whenever needed; hey, it's fiction.)

    5. Re:Wrong by readandburn · · Score: 5, Funny

      I didn't realize the CREATOR of the show could make Oregon border Ohio, Maine, and Kentucky. I stand corrected.

    6. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ned Flanders tells Bart that Ohio, Nevada, Maine, and Kentucky all border Springfield's state.

      obviously, ned either flunked social studies, repeatedly.. or went to school in a place like tennessee and 'god said so'.

    7. Re:Wrong by Xenx · · Score: 1

      I didn't realize the CREATOR of the show could make Oregon border Ohio, Maine, and Kentucky. I stand corrected.

      Funny, I don't think any state can fit that description... at least in the real world. But, given that Simpsons isn't a documentary, I think the creator can do whatever he wants with the location.

    8. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, ultimately it seems no one is actually reading the interview. The Springfield where the Simpsons live is not in Oregon, it is not anywhere. It was inspired by and named after Springfield, Oregon, which is entirely different.

      From TFA:

      Springfield was named after Springfield, Oregon. The only reason is that when I was a kid, the TV show “Father Knows Best” took place in the town of Springfield, and I was thrilled because I imagined that it was the town next to Portland, my hometown. When I grew up, I realized it was just a fictitious name. I also figured out that Springfield was one of the most common names for a city in the U.S. In anticipation of the success of the show, I thought, “This will be cool; everyone will think it’s their Springfield.” And they do.

      At no point does he claim the show is supposed to take place in Oregon, since it obviously doesn't.

    9. Re:Wrong by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Who says it takes place on this Earth? Maybe it's on Earth Prime or Earth B?

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    10. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fictional city is fictionally located in the state of Oregon. Get over it.

      You pedantic ass.

    11. Re:Wrong by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sure, but according to the principle of the Death of the Author (warning - TVTropes link), unless it's made clear in the text, the author's opinion has no weight when it comes to an interpretation.

      Based entirely on the work it seems quite clear that Springfield is nowhere, or anywhere depending on how you want to look at it, this allowing the viewer to consider it to be somewhere relevant to himself.

    12. Re:Wrong by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Uh, Springfield has both mountains and a sea shore. I dont know what this "Portland" is but does it have such a cool geography? I think eat up Martha!

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    13. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The creator of the show purposely made it confusing so that morons like you wouldn't try to defend their point about how it's "their" state, leading to an effect where everyone can associate their Springfield with the show's.

    14. Re:Wrong by Thud457 · · Score: 0

      From Wikipedia... Due to the many contradictory statements regarding Springfield, it is impossible for the town to exist in any specific U.S. state. For example, in The Simpsons Movie, Ned Flanders tells Bart that Ohio, Nevada, Maine, and Kentucky all border Springfield's state. The city's unknown and unknowable geography is a recurring joke in the series; despite the "riddle wrapped in an enigma that is Springfield's location", Lisa Simpson states that "it's a bit of a mystery, yes. But if you look at the clues, you can figure it out." Episodes frequently make fun of the fact that Springfield's state is unidentifiable by adding further conflicting descriptions, obscuring onscreen map representations, and interrupting conversational references. The telephone area codes for Springfield are 636 (St. Charles County - Western St. Louis County, Missouri) and 939 (Puerto Rico). David Silverman has claimed that Springfield is in the fictional state of "North Takoma". This is substantiated by the state abbreviations NT and TA used within the show. However, this has never been officially confirmed in any canonical episode of The Simpsons or by other Simpsons producers.

      Maybe Groening failed geography.
      And apparently topology, also.

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    15. Re:Wrong by Kam+Solusar · · Score: 1

      When a fictional universes has been around for a long time, the opinion of the creator becomes less and less important and the stories themselves and the fictional facts therein become more important.

      It's the same with the Star Wars Expanded Universe, where many fans desperately wish that Lucas would stop meddling with their SW universe and leave it to the authors and writers who can capture the feel of the universe much better and have a lot more knowledge about what's happening in that world.

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    16. Re:Wrong by Xenx · · Score: 1

      Sure, but according to the principle of the Death of the Author (warning - TVTropes link), unless it's made clear in the text, the author's opinion has no weight when it comes to an interpretation. Based entirely on the work it seems quite clear that Springfield is nowhere, or anywhere depending on how you want to look at it, this allowing the viewer to consider it to be somewhere relevant to himself.

      And while he has said he based it on Springfield, OR, the actual intent of the shows writings was to do exactly what you described.

    17. Re:Wrong by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Funny

      You didn't realize that the creator of a cartoon can make their cartoon city in any place they want, and make it bordered by any other place they want?

      Really?

      I'm surprised you also didn't point out that the real Springfield, OR isn't occupied by 2-dimensional 4-fingered cartoons, hasn't ever been taken over by aliens, never had the sun blocked out by the nuclear plant owner's giant sunshade, or damaged to the tune of millions of dollars on a regular basis by the town's lovable buffoon.

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    18. Re:Wrong by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Oh, well TVTROPES. that settles it~

      Based on the entiority of the work, SPringfield is in Oregon. Here:
      Names of streets in Portland:
      Quimby, Terrwilliger, Powell, Lovejoy, flanders.
      Look at the bridges.

      It became obvious to me that Springfield is in Oregon the first time I visited Portland.

      I like how people keep referring to what Ned Flanders says. An evangelical wrong on a basic and obvious fact? Surely it's a statement of fact and not a Joke~

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    19. Re:Wrong by Squiddie · · Score: 1

      What I believe he really meant is that the real Springfield, for him, it's in Oregon, but it's also in your state too because you're supposed to do that.

    20. Re:Wrong by geekoid · · Score: 1

      yes..i mean, no. Stay away. It's all flat and hippies. Everything sucks.

      haha.

      Portland, Oregon - Visitors welcome. Please take a hippie when you return home.

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    21. Re:Wrong by operagost · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is that there was a "documentary" episode, hosted by Troy McClure, where the Simpsons were referred to as a "suburban Kentucky family".

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    22. Re:Wrong by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2

      The fact that The Simpsons is still on the air probably proves this out...because where else can the dream of the 90s be alive?

    23. Re:Wrong by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2

      I didn't realize the CREATOR of the show could make Oregon border Ohio, Maine, and Kentucky. I stand corrected.

      Well, Kentucky is fictional, too, so I don't see why it's such a big deal. Kentucky IS fictional, right? Yeah, GOTTA be. No way a place like that exists for real.

    24. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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      You, sir, would be worthy inane debate opponent for Comic Book Guy. I look forward to your future works in minutia. And yes, sir, it is burning. Well done.

    25. Re:Wrong by Gr33nJ3ll0 · · Score: 1

      Don't drink much bourbon do you? :)

    26. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except it isn't. It was named after a city in Oregon, just like the supporting characters were named after streets. This does not make the characters streets and it doesn't make the fictional city reside in Oregon.

    27. Re:Wrong by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to be a jerk or anything, but what in the hell is a "fictional fact"?

      No, really, that's just wrong. Way wrong. Please don't do that again.

      ==

      I do agree with you that once a canon of sorts is established, especially in a long-running fictional/storybook 'universe', the details of it do fill out, and fans expect the author to try and stay within them, especially as the storylines get more complex. On the other hand, it all too often happens that a new and interesting story may well break the fabric of what you the fan may have come to expect, and something is going to have to explain that.

      Maybe Groening will come up with such an explanation in the future? After all, it wasn't unheard of for weird crap to occur in Start Trek:TNG (and others) to start popping out of the writers' collective arse to explain a particular story or situation (accidental time travel, getting sucked into alternate universes, the all-too-rambunctious dilithium crystals, etc.)

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    28. Re:Wrong by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Don't drink much bourbon do you? :)

      Funny, reading his comment, I suspected he drank too much bourbon. ;)

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    29. Re:Wrong by doston · · Score: 1

      When a fictional universes has been around for a long time, the opinion of the creator becomes less and less important and the stories themselves and the fictional facts therein become more important.

      It's the same with the Star Wars Expanded Universe, where many fans desperately wish that Lucas would stop meddling with their SW universe and leave it to the authors and writers who can capture the feel of the universe much better and have a lot more knowledge about what's happening in that world.

      Meh, I disagree. Groening was probably only very hands on for the first few seasons. And probably wasn't as heavily involved much past Schwartzwelder (sp?). I would think the creator's original notion is more important than the nameless rabble of writers who've contributed to that show over the years, for a fact like where Springfield is located. Plus, it's important to take people at their word. He says it's in Oregon, so it's in Oregon. It probably turned into more an amalgam of places over time.

    30. Re:Wrong by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised you also didn't point out that the real Springfield, OR isn't occupied by 2-dimensional 4-fingered cartoons

      Just once, for the pure hell of it, I'd like to see a cartoon with normal 5 fingered people. Just to be different, because I don't think anyone's ever done it. I guess animators charge by the finger. Maybe in the future, cartoon people will have just have pincers...especially if Burn's nuclear plant stays in business!

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    31. Re:Wrong by evilRhino · · Score: 2

      "named after" != "is in"

    32. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's also said somewhere, I think on the DVD commentary tracks but perhaps somewhere else, that the town itself is in many ways modeled after Portland, so again this is no real surprise. (With convenient additions of whatever geography is needed whenever needed; hey, it's fiction.)

      Nope. Portland is now modeled on the town in the show.

    33. Re:Wrong by quetwo · · Score: 1

      Additionally, in earlier episodes, there are often short clips of mail that were shown on screen. Mr. Burn's address in 03F06 (I believe -- it was on a few days ago) was shown to be in "Springfield, IL." Other episodes showed mail to go to "Springfield, NT", but that was not until much later in the series (the first use of it I believe was in the 10th season).

    34. Re:Wrong by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe Groening failed geography.

      Dakota Channing was named after North Dakota. Does that mean she lives in North Dakota? No. She was born in Georgia. Georgia O'Keefe, named after Georgia, was born in Wisconsin and probably never got to Georgia, even though she did work in South Carolina.

      Caroline Kennedy was named after South Carolina. Does she live there? No, she lives in New York. Dick York (first and really only true husband to Samantha, for those who care abouts such things), named after that vernerable city (and state!) doesn't live in New York (city OR state), he lived in Grand Rapids Michigan until he died in 1992.

      Speedy Gonzalez (rapido == speedy) never went to Michigan, although he was named after Grand Rapids. (Little known fact: his full name was Super Speedy Gonzalez, or "La Grando Rapido".)

      And Morey Amsterdam was named after what New York used to be called -- New Amsterdam. Ok, he did live in New York. Forget about him.

      Short version: "named after" is not "is in".

    35. Re:Wrong by HapSlappy_2222 · · Score: 1

      Actually, the creator of the show (meaning the creator of the entire world in which his show takes place) can do just that, if he wants to. I think they did just that in one episode or other; maybe that was Family Guy. It's not much different that putting Springfield be on the moon, or in my jockey shorts (this is NOT recommended, at least for today).

      Still, I think there's value in knowing it's impossible for it to mirror a real-world "Springfield", and your original post really is informative (and your followup post was funny as hell; nice work ;).

    36. Re:Wrong by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Funny

      grasping at straws really, the interviewer and the guy who submitted the article.

      he says he got the idea to springfield name from the old show which had springfield in it and that he thought it was their springfield, so he decided to use the same trick. being named after something like that is a far fetch from actually _being_ that springfield, which the article headline says.

      simpsons isn't a documentary filmed in real time, Highlander is.

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    37. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The title is misleading. You should read the interview.
      He didn't say it was in Oregon in the interview.
      He just said it was named after a town next to his hometown.
      He even explicitly states in the interview that he likes the fact that Springfield is a common name because children can think its happening in the town near by.

      I'm starting to wonder about the capacity of journalist to actually understand what they write in their interviews...

    38. Re:Wrong by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      Ah, slashdot pedantry at its best, when people think they now better than the writer of an obviously fictional story.

      slashdot at it's best, where ac's make claims based on the submission that get modded up that could be seen as silly if you read the article part and understood being named after is not the same as being. that only works if you get appointed as the lama. (he only thought that he read it better than the article submitter, possibly better than the fucking article writer who was trying to pin a hook on his story).

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    39. Re:Wrong by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Worst. Cartographer. Ever.

    40. Re:Wrong by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 2

      There can be only one!

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    41. Re:Wrong by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      of course a writer can! the aspies in here, honestly.

      a writer can do anything they can think of, so long as it's part of their work.

    42. Re:Wrong by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I am also a fan of Portlandia. +1 Funny!

    43. Re:Wrong by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      The TVTropes page linked to was an informal summary of Roland Barhe's essay = Death of the Author. Not an argument on where Springfield may be. I chose TVTropes because it's more general, and provides examples.

      You're perfectly entitled to your opinion that Springfield is in Oregon. Unless this is specified in the text, then its an opinion. Others may agree with you, or not but this doesn't mean anyone specifically is right or wrong.

    44. Re:Wrong by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      It all depends on what the definition of "named after" is.

      If, for example, "named after" means to give a label to something or someone based on the previous existence of something, then I could say the following: A was named after B. A is not necessarily B, and B is not necessarily A.

      If, for example, "named after" means the word "is", then someone could say the following: I named my child Barack Obama. Therefore, my child is President!

      By the way fellow Americans, don't forget April 17th named after tax day this year.

  4. A more accurate headline by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Matt Groening Reveals that 'Springfield' Name Came From 'Father Knows Best'"

    The Springfield of the show is, of course, fiction. It can't exist. It's everywhere in the U.S. all at once. It's in the desert, near the ocean, it was founded by colonial settlers, it's close to both Mexico and Canada, it's home to every type of U.S. wildlife (except for bears, of course--the Bear Patrol keeps those out).

    About the only things you won't find there these days are decent writing or a sense of pride.

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    1. Re:A more accurate headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      About the only things you won't find there these days are decent writing or a sense of pride.

      Yeah, for that you need to go to Shelbyville.

    2. Re:A more accurate headline by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      it's home to every type of U.S. wildlife (except for bears, of course--the Bear Patrol keeps those out).

      And sharks. All of that jumping exhausted the local shark population years ago.

    3. Re:A more accurate headline by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you described Oregon just fine.

      Although I'm not sure why you think it's close to mexico. There is no time line given on the trip.

      I'm sorry the huumor progressed from Choking a child to actually needing to think about it. It must be..so Dull in your head.

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    4. Re:A more accurate headline by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      About the only things you won't find there these days are decent writing or a sense of pride.

      I thought this season was substantially better than the last several. You might want to give it a try if you haven't for a while.

    5. Re:A more accurate headline by crazyjj · · Score: 0

      Oregon was founded by colonial-era settlers, was it?

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    6. Re:A more accurate headline by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      About the only things you won't find there these days are decent writing or a sense of pride.

      They never did get their monorail.

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    7. Re:A more accurate headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. What is now Oregon was settled when it was a British North America possession called the Columbia Territory. The Brits (or rather, the Hudson Bay Company) unsuccessfully forbid settlers, since they disturbed the fur trade. It was a shortsighted policy. The US pushed American settlers there to eventually (and successfully) overwhelm the British..

  5. No he doesn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    From TFA: "Springfield was named after Springfield, Oregon"

    That doesn't mean it IS Springfield, Oregon.

    1. Re:No he doesn't by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Look up Springfield, Organ on the map. They look identical.

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    2. Re:No he doesn't by Fieryphoenix · · Score: 1

      How dare you make distinctions, sir! This ridiculous amount of sense you're making threatens my confidence that I am not in fact the Archangel Michael, but only named in his honor. I won't stand for it!

    3. Re:No he doesn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next up: Paris, Missouri doesn't have an Eiffel Tower. News at 11.

    4. Re:No he doesn't by krept · · Score: 1
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  6. aw man... by BattleApple · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought, 'This will be cool; everyone will think it's their Springfield.' And they do.'

    Well, not anymore.

    1. Re:aw man... by virgnarus · · Score: 0

      Everyone is well aware that show died long time ago. Matt played it safe by waiting to reveal it now rather than before when it was in its prime.

    2. Re:aw man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I thought, 'This will be cool; everyone will think it's their Springfield.' And they do.'

      Well, not anymore.

      In all seriousness, nailing down any fictional creation to a real-world equivalent kind of defeats the purpose of fiction.

      It's especially lame if you do it after the fact. If you come out at the beginning and say, "Once upon a time in Springfield, Oregon..." you're establishing a setting, and that can be useful. Doing it after twenty-something seasons is like saying, "Oh, yeah, and Bob was really Jesus. The End."

    3. Re:aw man... by eln · · Score: 1

      Or "Dumbledore is gay".

    4. Re:aw man... by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the Springfield Tire Fire and Mt Trashmore are in *our* Springfield, MA

    5. Re:aw man... by BattleApple · · Score: 1

      I agree.. I live about 20 miles south of Springfield, MA, and I think I can smell it from here.

  7. More important by Grelfer · · Score: 2

    Where's Shelbyville?

    1. Re:More important by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Eugene.

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    2. Re:More important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What's really funny is that Illinois has the most nuclear power plants and there is a Shelbyville, IL fairly close to Springfield.

    3. Re:More important by BLBishop · · Score: 1

      Now we can refer to Eugene, OR as "Shelbyville."

    4. Re:More important by MostAwesomeDude · · Score: 1

      The nuclear power plant in-show represents Weyerhaeuser ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weyerhaeuser ), a large paper company for whom just about everybody worked in the 80s. Either you worked for them, your spouse worked for them, or your parent worked for them. This was the big industry in the Eugene/Springfield area when Groening was young. I imagine he went with a nuclear power plant instead because of the comedic opportunities.

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    5. Re:More important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes? What do you want?

    6. Re:More important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *NO ONE* lives in Springfield. Everyone lives in Eugene.

      Regardless of what the city limits say.

      There is such a thing as being on the wrong side of the railroad tracks after all.

    7. Re:More important by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Blimey. Ever since that lemon tree incident you guys have been so bitter.

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  8. Next by haystor · · Score: 1

    Springfield is in Oregon.
    We know who that song was about.

    Now if we could only figure out why Billy Joe jumped off that bridge.

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  9. Wah by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

    All along, we've thought it to be in OUR nearby Springfield. Life sucks suddenly.

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    1. Re:Wah by geekoid · · Score: 0

      How many kids did George Carlin have?
      Where did he get his PhD in Child development?

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    2. Re:Wah by Cazekiel · · Score: 0

      You're going after my sig? That's what you're doing right now, really, in a completely innocuous comment having absolutely nothing to do with Carlin's quote? How about you look it up. If you're as geeked-out as your name suggests, I'm sure you've used the internet from time-to-time. Your being here is proof of that, I suppose. I'm nowhere near as tech-savvy as 90% of this site's user-base is but fine, here:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Carlin#Personal_life

      That's a link to a page the site called "wikipedia.org" (note: it's a relatively useful site, however flawed. Bookmark it, it comes in handy sometimes; ie, you avoid asking people online questions when you could find out yourself in a simple click) put up for Carlin. In it, it states that he had one daughter back in 1963, named Kelly. So yes, he was a father.

      And if you think it takes a PhD in order to comprise any understanding of children, their development or basic parenting, you've added too much stupid to your morning coffee. I myself have an associate's in General Studies, with a concentration in Early Childhood Education (3 semesters worth, was pushed out by a "professor" who if she didn't like you, you went nowhere; proved by a class of 30+ students being whittled down to 3 in the class of '97's graduating class). I'm assuming you haven't had any training in ECE yourself. I could be wrong, but if I'm not, can I come over to your house and tell you how to raise your kids? I trump you with both college education and being a parent of a special needs kid. So, wanna exchange phone numbers?

      Maybe change your own sig, because it doesn't suit you.

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  10. Can't possibly be in Oregon by danwesnor · · Score: 5, Funny

    The characters aren't weird enough.

    1. Re:Can't possibly be in Oregon by khr · · Score: 1

      The characters aren't weird enough.

      Oregonians aren't weird... As an Oregonian (now living in New York City) I can say that Oregon is one of the most normal places in the U.S. It's the rest of the country that's just plain weird.

    2. Re:Can't possibly be in Oregon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're mistaking Oregon for its neighbor Idaho.

    3. Re:Can't possibly be in Oregon by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Yea, that also disqualifies Texas.

      R.I.P. Leslie

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Cochran

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    4. Re:Can't possibly be in Oregon by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Leslie died?! D=

      Man I can't believe I missed the news. Such a bummer. Austin is now officially less weird. :(

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    5. Re:Can't possibly be in Oregon by geekoid · · Score: 1

      No, Oregon is weird. I mean, if they start to be normal, they quickly create a protest group against it.

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    6. Re:Can't possibly be in Oregon by zullnero · · Score: 2

      Heh, keep on believing that. Oregon likes it when you perpetuate that stereotype because it's been fantastic marketing. Almost all of the state is pretty granola...just so much flyover country between Seattle and San Fran. The media has done wonders to trick people into stopping over here and spending dollars. And mostly, the weirdness is confined to Portland. Eugene is just a college town that, for whatever reason, the rest of the country still believes is a big hippie commune. Oh, yeah, and it's TOTALLY the Springfield in Oregon. We Portlanders have always known that. Next time you're in Portland, take a walk through NW Portland and look at the steetsigns. You'll see names like "Flanders" and "Lovejoy". Get it?

    7. Re:Can't possibly be in Oregon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the old Trojan Power plant too!...

    8. Re:Can't possibly be in Oregon by RussR42 · · Score: 1

      Oh no! A sad day for us all. He will be missed.

  11. I thought it was England by doofusclam · · Score: 1

    I used to work at a nuclear fuel processing plant here called Springfields:

    http://www.nuclearsites.co.uk/site.php?LocationID=2

  12. Most Simpson names are from the Portland area... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...such as Flanders, Lovejoy and Quimby (street names), and Burns (from the Burnside Bridge.)

    So, no surprise that Springfield would be in or near Oregon.

  13. Great! Now, where is South Park? by gstrickler · · Score: 1

    If they can only answer that, my life's purpose will still be unknown.

    P.S. Yes, I'm aware that it's almost certainly modeled on Fairplay, CO. I've been there, and to South Park, about 20mi away.

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    1. Re:Great! Now, where is South Park? by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I drive through there a few times a year. One of my favorite stretches of highway in the country. Can't bring myself to get excited that the name has anything to do with the cartoon, though.

  14. GI Joe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the 80's, Springfield was also the secret location of COBRA headquarters.

    1. Re:GI Joe by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that was before Hank Scorpio took over the operation and relocated to Cypress Creek...

    2. Re:GI Joe by Ferzerp · · Score: 1

      Is that the one that runs down Cypress Hill? Or am I just being insane?

    3. Re:GI Joe by lozo78 · · Score: 1

      Hammocks! Homer, there's four places. There's the Hammock Hut, that's on third. There's Hammocks-R-Us, that's on third too. You got Put-Your-Butt-There. That's on third. Swing Low, Sweet Chariot... Matter of fact, they're all in the same complex; it's the hammock complex on third. You know, there's a little place called Mary Ann's Hammocks. The nice thing about that place is Mary Ann gets in the hammock with you. Best episode ever.

    4. Re:GI Joe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hammocks! Homer, there's four places. There's the Hammock Hut, that's on third. There's Hammocks-R-Us, that's on third too. You got Put-Your-Butt-There. That's on third. Swing Low, Sweet Chariot... Matter of fact, they're all in the same complex; it's the hammock complex on third. You know, there's a little place called Mary Ann's Hammocks. The nice thing about that place is Mary Ann gets in the hammock with you. Best episode ever.

      "If you want to kill someone on your way out, it would help me a lot."

  15. Quite a different story... by forkfail · · Score: 1
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  16. Old news is old... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Simpsons_20th_Anniversary_Special_%E2%80%93_In_3-D!_On_Ice!

    Matt Groening already explained that Springfield is based off of Portland. All the characters are named after streets in Portland.

    Old news is old...

  17. Too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe this would have been important like 12 years ago, when the series stopped being cool and funny.

  18. Does it matter? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Let's be honest. Between the shows, such a town cannot exist. It cannot be a huge city, lacking the necessary skyscrapers to house a multi million people population, but it has all the amenities of large towns, from well stocked and funded museums to casinos and other enterprises that need a large customer base to be profitable, plus it is visited by foreign dignitaries and is considered as the host of Olympic games. Still we only get to see a fairly small amount of people altogether, let alone be introduced to more than a few dozen. There is also a surprising lack of traffic (unless needed for the script), but it has an international airport.

    Then there's the geography. You have a beach right in front of it, yet huge mountains like the murderhorn and a skiing resort right behind it. And somewhere near is also a desert and what seems to be some kind of swamp/jungle and a seriously huge forest. It's equally close to Mexico and Canada.

    Face it, it cannot be anywhere. But that's ok, that's not important. It gives the writers a lot more freedom, by giving the town access to whatever public building or service they need for their script, as well as any environment needed.

    Why do you need to pinpoint it on a map? It is simply not necessary for anything.

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    1. Re:Does it matter? by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Why do you need to pinpoint it on a map? It is simply not necessary for anything.

      Because it's ratings are fading, or because it's mostly continuing on inertia, or because it hasn't been on the cutting edge of cultural relevance in twenty years... Or whatever other reason. They just needed the column inches.

    2. Re:Does it matter? by TheSeventh · · Score: 1

      Why do you need to pinpoint it on a map? It is simply not necessary for anything.

      Only because it's been a running joke, and that in actuality it couldn't be in any real state. All references to it in the show were vague, contradictory, or hidden from view (maps, satellite images, mail, driver's licenses, etc.).

      In one episode Lisa mentioned that there were enough clues to figure it out, but because there are so many contradictory clues, she meant that it wasn't a real city. This is just the final word (hopefully), that it is actually based on Springfield Oregon, just a highly fictionalized version of it and all the surrounding geography (continent-wide).

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    3. Re:Does it matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is clearly stated on the episode that has the likeness of VH1's Behind The Music... Northern Kentucky.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behind_the_Laughter#.22Northern_Kentucky.22

    4. Re:Does it matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. Bet you're a hit a parties.

    5. Re:Does it matter? by painandgreed · · Score: 2

      Then there's the geography. You have a beach right in front of it, yet huge mountains like the murderhorn and a skiing resort right behind it. And somewhere near is also a desert and what seems to be some kind of swamp/jungle and a seriously huge forest. It's equally close to Mexico and Canada.

      Sounds like Oregon. Ocean going into forest (and probably some swamps) into mountains with ski resorts and then desert on the other side of the mountains, also about equidistant from Canada and Mexico (along I5).

    6. Re:Does it matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On what map is Washington the same height as California?

    7. Re:Does it matter? by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Why do you need to pinpoint it on a map? It is simply not necessary for anything.

      Only because it's been a running joke, and that in actuality it couldn't be in any real state. All references to it in the show were vague, contradictory, or hidden from view (maps, satellite images, mail, driver's licenses, etc.).

      In one episode Lisa mentioned that there were enough clues to figure it out, but because there are so many contradictory clues, she meant that it wasn't a real city. This is just the final word (hopefully), that it is actually based on Springfield Oregon, just a highly fictionalized version of it and all the surrounding geography (continent-wide).

      Springfield is obviously in the state that Riverdale also exists in.

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  19. The headline is misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nowhere does he say that the Simpson's Springfield is in Oregon. He says it's named after a fictitious Springfield that resided in Oregon from another TV show. Naming it after another town doesn't make it that town any more than naming my child after me makes him me. There is no "real" Springfield and that was the creators intent; to make Springfield everywhere. He states that very clearly. people need to learn how to read.

    1. Re:The headline is misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Groenig went to the U of O. The shitstain hillbilly town attached to Eugene is Springfield. Do the math.

    2. Re:The headline is misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't need to, there is no math to do. I already explained that the Simpson's Springfield is a fictional place, like Gotham City or Metropolis. It was NAMED AFTER the fictional Springfield that was in "Father Knows Best" that was based on the actual Springfield in Oregon. It's not a real place. This is a simple concept. I don't get what's so complicated for people to understand.

  20. Shelbyville. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't Oregon the Shelbyville of the pacific north west?

  21. Never thought it was my Springfield... by CrAlt · · Score: 1

    I thought, 'This will be cool; everyone will think it's their Springfield.' And they do.

    Mine is Springfield, Massachusetts.. I knew it had nothing to do with the one on the show. The TV "Springfield" is way to nice to be the one in Massachusetts.. Not nearly enough stabbings or hobo's on the TV show to be my Springfield. :-/

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    1. Re:Never thought it was my Springfield... by cstacy · · Score: 1

      I thought, 'This will be cool; everyone will think it's their Springfield.' And they do.

      Mine is Springfield, Massachusetts.. I knew it had nothing to do with the one on the show./

      I remember reading an article more than 15 years ago where they interviewed some of the Simpsons staff writers. A couple of them were from New England, and said that certain elements of the town were copied from their home state, and that they included various (visual and other) references to Springfield, MA in the show.

      It's clearly in North Takoma.

    2. Re:Never thought it was my Springfield... by sunking2 · · Score: 1

      Mike Scully is from West Springfield, I believe his daughter teaches in Springfield. He calls into the radio 102 morning show quite often when he's in the area.

      There are actually quite a few things similar that can easily be seen as familiar to Springfield MA. For example, the bridge is remarkably similar to the Memorial bridge. Several episodes mention the Springfield Armory, which Springfield MA is famous for and a national historic site. Mayor Quimby is obviously modeled after certain MA politicians, etc.

      Not saying it's the model for the whole town, but to think that Mike injected a bit of his local home isn't a stretch.

    3. Re:Never thought it was my Springfield... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never thought it was mine (Springfield, VA) either. The closest thing we had to a nuke plant (in terms of being an unnatractive boil on our butt) was Lorton Federal Penitentary which is now closed. Technicly it wasn't even in Springfield, just nearby.

  22. This show is still on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously?

  23. Springfield is among the most common US city names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    From Groening,

    I also figured out that Springfield was one of the most common names for a city in the U.S. In anticipation of the success of the show, I thought, “This will be cool; everyone will think it’s their Springfield.” And they do.

  24. Why Aliens? Use Current Events by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's that I read about a nuclear melt-down in Japan? Something about a 12-mile exclusion zone? Aren't the original ninjas from Japan?

    Seems like you could build a kick ass back story that is true to the original based on current events, why bother with this aliens crap?

  25. Jap animation by tepples · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see a cartoon with normal 5 fingered people.

    Try any random anime. Or look at the Marios in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show.

  26. The Briggses by tepples · · Score: 1

    Springfield, OR [...] hasn't ever been taken over by aliens

    Were Native Americans living in what is now Lane County when Elias and Mary Briggs invaded? If so, that'd make the Briggses "aliens" (as in "not citizens").

  27. Springfield is 115 miles from Portland by NicknamesAreStupid · · Score: 2

    Mat, ". . . I imagined that it was the town next to Portland, my hometown."

    He does have quite the imagination.

    1. Re:Springfield is 115 miles from Portland by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 1

      I thought it was odd that he'd consider Springfield OR "next to" Portland, too. They're about 110 miles apart, as near as SF and Sacramento, or LA and Tijuana, not exactly next door. Maybe his Dad tooled the family around in a private plane.

      He's probably bored out of his skull after 20+ years of handling this stupid question. Who wouldn't be?

    2. Re:Springfield is 115 miles from Portland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For some people, 110 miles is a daily commute. You've clearly never been outside of your own little 10 square mile area.

  28. So it's not Pickering? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  29. Bullshit. by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

    It doesn't rain nearly enough on the show, and there's not enough bars (just Moe's).

    OTOH, I can see the characters based on the townfolk in general...

    (Disclosure: I live near PDX.)

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    1. Re:Bullshit. by jhoegl · · Score: 0

      "Worst post ever!"
      Rest assured, I am on the internet voicing my disgust!

    2. Re:Bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we always knew it was on the West coast.

      - There is an Ocean in many shows
      - The sun sets over the ocean in many shows
      - There is winter time and summer time (this is not SoCal)

      Had to be Washington, Oregon or Northern California.

  30. "simpsons" and mother tie to Steve Job's sister? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Steve sister is probably the inspiration for the Homer's mother "Mona Simpson". And her ex-husband possible the the surname for the family itself.

  31. Re: Just Groening's wrong transcription by formfeed · · Score: 1

    I didn't realize the CREATOR of the show could make Oregon border Ohio, Maine, and Kentucky. I stand corrected.

    Given that Groening only is the creator of the show in so far as it was him who wrote the story down, I wouldn't put to much weight on these inconsistencies.
    Who knows what else he got wrong when he first tried to turn the true inspirations into TV episodes. And since the original golden tablets are lost we might never know.

    Regarding the location of Springfield I personally would rather trust Lisa Simpson than Matt Groening.

  32. Ned Flanders by Sketchly · · Score: 1

    It's obviously Springfield, Vermont. For one thing, my girlfriend says it is. And to substantiate my claim, Ned Flanders seems like the type of guy you might get in Vermont. I rest my case.

    1. Re:Ned Flanders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But why would Chewbacca live on Endor and wear a glove made from Ned Flander's Mustache?

      It makes no sense. And if it makes no sense, you must acquit!

  33. I don't care, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do seem to recall an episode where Marge (perhaps in conversation with Lisa) was about to reveal the location of Springfield but interrupted herself to shout a greeting to Moe, which went something like [blah blah blah] Springfield OH HI MOE (obviously echoing "Ohio"). Guess they changed their mind...
     

  34. It can't be Oregon by seeker_1us · · Score: 1

    Oregon has so much hydroelectric power available that Mr. Burns' shoddy Nuclear plant would never have been built... let alone survive.

  35. We knew this already because we are better by hellop2 · · Score: 2

    Those who lived in Springfield/Eugene Oregon always knew.

    1. Matt Groening was from Oregon.
    2. They have a statute of the founder of the town(Jebediah Springfield), and Eugene has a statue of its founder Eugene Skinner.
    3. Principal's name is Skinner.
    4. There's a Nuclear plant nearby.

    There's probably more. Actually, I always heard Matt was from Springfield.

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    1. Re:We knew this already because we are better by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Also, Krusty the Clown was based loosely on Portland TV clown, Rusty Nails:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusty_Nails

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    2. Re:We knew this already because we are better by fearofcarpet · · Score: 1

      Those who lived in Springfield/Eugene Oregon always knew. 1. Matt Groening was from Oregon. 2. They have a statute of the founder of the town(Jebediah Springfield), and Eugene has a statue of its founder Eugene Skinner. 3. Principal's name is Skinner. 4. There's a Nuclear plant nearby. There's probably more. Actually, I always heard Matt was from Springfield.

      Terwilliger, Flanders, and Lovejoy are all streets in Portland.
      Krusty the Klown was named after a TV clown from Portland named Rusty Nails.
      Comic Book Guy--though a stereotype--was based on a real person, who ran a comic shop in Portland.
      And who can forget the Lewis and Clark spoof, when the sky turns grey and it starts raining and Carl says "we'll call this place Eugene, Oregon."
      I'm sure there are many, many others, but to me the connection between the Simpsons and Oregon was as apparent as the one between South Park and Colorado.

      Having long since left Oregon, I still consider myself an Oregonian (and a Duck). Many years ago at Comicon I saw Matt Groening, who was clearly on his way out and avoiding photos, but I shouted "Hey, how about a photo with a fellow Oregonian?" and he cheerfully walked over for a photo. Because I'm a giant nerd... But it's ok, this is Slashdot. I also got in a shouting match with someone that tried to tell me Animal House was filmed in Rhode Island. In retrospect, he was clearly trolling me.

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    3. Re:We knew this already because we are better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was also always under the assumption Mr. Burns was named after Burnside, a major Portland street which bisects the city into its North and South sides.

  36. Bizarre by crepe-boy · · Score: 2

    In one of the episodes, which featured a biography of the family, they are described explicitly as a north Kentucky family. As evidence you'll see Shelbyville, KY http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Shelbyville,+KY just north of Springfield http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Springfield,+KY and there's even a place called Simpsonville http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Simpsonville,+KY just west of Shelbyville. I have no idea why they want to change their story now.

  37. Bogus story by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Informative

    In the interview, Groening says "Springfield was named after Springfield, Oregon". He doesn't say that the Simpsons' Springfield is in Oregon.

  38. Keep this in mind... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Matt Groening has a sister named Lisa. His parents names are Marge and Homer (for real). I would have no doubts that he had a pet named "Santa's Little Helper", and a neighbour named Ned that had religious aspirations. Its all good.

  39. Comic book guy, is that you? by Truedat · · Score: 1

    For some reason it gave me great pleasure to imagine his voice when I read your post.

  40. No shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has been known since season 5 or so.