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Ask Slashdot: My Company Wants Me To Astroturf, Should I?

An anonymous reader writes "Posting as AC for obvious reasons. The company I work for put an app in an app store. The marketing people think it isn't selling very well, so they sent out an email asking people to get on all their social media sites and friend or like the app to build up traffic. The thing is, most of the employees have not used the app, but we are being asked to say that we like it. We just saw stories about companies not being allowed to ask employees or interview candidates for access to social sites, but what does it mean when a company asks employees to astroturf? Will the marketing or HR people look at who has astroturfed, and who has not at raise time? How would you deal with this?"

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  1. Wow... by grub · · Score: 5, Funny

    Things are that bad at RIM and AppWorld, eh?
    Look, if Thorsten wants you to astroturf, he should at least offer some examples.

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    1. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fuck off, Ballmer.

  2. Find another job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    liars are liars.

    1. Re:Find another job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      liars are liars.

      only until the go pro by winning an election.

    2. Re:Find another job by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's the nub - if you're enthusiastic about the product and talk about it in a non-spammy way, in context, then it's not astroturfing, and it's arguably better advertising. I used to work as a science book buyer and wrote a blog reviewing the coolest ones I read, with due disclosure of the job I did. It gave a lot of publicity to the product I was selling.

      Go posting spam on boards and twitter or whatever and it's not only annoying, it's just plain unimaginative on your bosses' part.

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    3. Re:Find another job by Compaqt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right, I mean, if you don't even minutely like the product you're working on, you probably should find another job.

      You had a hand in the product, no? There's some minor level of satisfaction, correct? That's all they're asking you to do: tell the world about the product.

      On the other hand, if you want to keep your purity intact by not pimping a horrible product, how pure are you by taking income which comes from the sale of said product?

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  3. when asked to commit propaganda by berashith · · Score: 5, Funny

    there is only one answer ...
    We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our tradition in the spirit of our ancestors. You have our gratitude

    1. Re:when asked to commit propaganda by medcalf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Let's all give Dr Krawhn a hand.

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  4. Are you loyal? by pak9rabid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Putting the obvious moral issues aside, how loyal to this company are you? If the answer is "not very" then I think you already know what you should be doing (i.e, looking for another place of employment). If, however, you are a loyal employee, then suck it up & just do what they ask...finding a place to work that you actually enjoy is tough, especially in this economy.

    1. Re:Are you loyal? by pak9rabid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Additionally, you may want to check the app-store-in-question's contractual obligations, as I'm pretty sure stuff like astroturfing is against it. Just point out to whoever's in charge that what you're being asked to do violates their policies and could potentially result in your company's app being pulled off of their app store altogether.

    2. Re:Are you loyal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know, I'd go for the 3rd option. Just don't do it. I'm regularly asked to plug some thing where I work, and I just don't unless I really like whatever it is. I've never been approached as "I saw you didn't post about X". Most of the time, there are so many people in the company that it doesn't matter... If they do ask, it's really none of their business. It's your social networking account, not a company one. I don't see why they should have any jurisdiction over it.

    3. Re:Are you loyal? by Obfuscant · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just point out to whoever's in charge that what you're being asked to do violates their policies and could potentially result in your company's app being pulled off of their app store altogether.

      That really looks like you are making the threat to report the company to the app store.

    4. Re:Are you loyal? by tnk1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      That is my opinion of the subject. If you like the app, definitely support your company. If you don't like the app, just don't do anything. I've been places that they ask you to do that, and frankly, I can't be bothered unless I really like it. I've never had anyone call me out on it.

      If they do call you out on it, it depends on how much you need the job right now, and what they will do to you if you don't. In my case, if they did insist, I'd feign ignorance of the requirement, and immediately promise to look into it, still fail to do it, and see if they notice. At that point, marketing eventually moves on to something else. If they do get deadly serious, apologize profusely for my oversight, put it up immediately and then start looking for another job. When they ask why I left, say something banal and nebulous and leave on good terms. No sense getting people like that to hate you, just remove them as carefully from your life as possible and move on.

    5. Re:Are you loyal? by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they ask, tell the truth. "I posted good comments on all the company controlled social media accounts I have access to"

    6. Re:Are you loyal? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People have to take responsbility for the decisions they take.

      But companies don't have to take responsibility for the decisions they make.

      To the poster:

      If your company thinks the solution to an app that sucks is to have you astroturf, it's probably not likely that the company is going to be around that long, unless they happen to own a whole lot of patents and can stay in business by suing competitors, in which case they probably aren't going to need your development skills, right?

      Simple advice: GTFO. Your word is all you've got. Once it gets out that you're an astroturfer (and it will) you're going to be wearing a scarlet "A" for "asswipe".

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    7. Re:Are you loyal? by EdIII · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just tell them that I have no Facebook or Twitter account at all. Sometimes they look at me like I am lying and then I remind them that I am in IT and that we have no friends, as they so often claim :)

      Works every time. I don't get asked by marketing to have anything to do with the "Social Networking".

    8. Re:Are you loyal? by Isaac-1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One more take on it, maybe the company is not doing so good in this economy, and are asking their employees to help drum up business so they don't have to lay people off, etc.

  5. Astroturfing in social media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a fellow anonymous, representing the big E and the A, we get it in our inboxes daily to astroturf our products.

    This seems to be a common practice nowadays, and I guess it shows you have some faith in your product. I have nothing against it as long as you like what you are doing. If you don't like astroturfing for your stuff, then don't.

    What concerns me though is that you seem to be not very keen on this app. Care to elaborate why?

    1. Re:Astroturfing in social media by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "He's not being asked to astroturf. He's being asked to like the product."

      Astroturfing is astroturfing, no matter the form. Employees are being asked to falsely represent themselves as happily satisfied users of the product. That is astroturfing at its very essence. Whether you are doing it via blog posts or Facebook likes, you are still committing exactly the same ethical breach. There is no difference.

  6. Not A Good Sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I worked at a company where we were actively told to astroturf. It was a bad sign because the product sucked and instead doing something about the criticism, they buried their head in the sand. The criticism was completely well founded. My advice is to not worry about astroturfing and start looking for a new job. Your management isn't looking to fix problems, just cover over them.

  7. welcome to the modern age by forgottenusername · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A few startups ago, the marketing teams entire plan was "lean on your personal social networks". They'd have been better off standing outside handing out flyers.

    If you like the app and think it's useful then it doesn't hurt to promote it a little. If it's just some crap, then don't bother - you'll just desensitize your friends and contacts.

    Just saying "I'm working on app X, it's going pretty well!" is subtle and non-annoying, curious people will check it out.

    Anyway, a company asking employees to lean heavily on friends/family for promotion is a sure-fire sign of a failed marketing vision in my book, a problem in the business side of the house.

  8. Honesty by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Try the app. See if it's really worth saying good things about. If so, I'd go ahead and praise it as deserved. If not, send a message to the sales/QA/service department as appropriate saying why you can't promote the app. Keep a copy of that message just in case you have to show that you were fired for raising an ethical concern.

    Of course, encourage others to do the same, and mention your plan to superiors. They might just admire your behavior, and suggest it to more of the company. Few managers really want to be the guy to let a bad PR situation loose, so they might jump at the chance to prove they're more ethical than that nasty sales department - especially if the app is actually decent, and there's a good chance it'll get astroturfed anyway.

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    1. Re:Honesty by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Informative

      Twice, actually. Once it was actually my project being shilled (I liked the project and thought it was useful - though I did end up getting fired from there, I'll still gladly tout its benefits in the appropriate context), and once I hadn't bothered trying the product. The latter one sucked, and I told the other team exactly why, and how I thought it could be improved. I got called into a meeting with other employees who'd complained, and the project lead took notes while we ran through the demo showing what we didn't like. The project went back for another round of revisions, and eventually came out much better for it. I never talked about the project publicly, and didn't get fired, either.

      Dishonest ass-kissing will get you promoted, because you make bosses like you personally. Honest critiquing with respect for politics will get you respect, because you show that you're dedicated to the company goals.

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  9. One way by tool462 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You could always try the app yourself then give it an honest review. If you genuinely like it, it's not astroturfing.
    If you don't like it, you could consider feeding that back to the developers as that may reveal more fundamentally why it's not selling well.

  10. You're being asked to "like" it? by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So are we just talking about clicking the "Like" button on Facebook? That doesn't sound terrifically evil. It's not unusual for people to "like" something they don't like, and so I wouldn't even really consider it dishonest. Like I "like" one of my friend's websites, but... you know, it's just because it's my friend's site. My work has asked me to make use my LinkedIn Profile shows that I work where I do, in case the company gets looked up.

    Also, are they simply asking you to do it, or are they somehow monitoring everyone's accounts to make sure they do it, and then threatening some kind of response if you don't "like" their product? If they're just asking, and you don't want to do it, then don't do it.

    This doesn't seem like a serious problem.

  11. This is how the world works by Coward+Anonymous · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Get used to it. Everybody does it and much of what you think of as news (especially tech news) is networked people astro turfing for each other.

    If you think some of your friends will find it interesting, why not? Just serve your friends well. Use the app and be honest about what you like about it. If you can't stand it, just mention the app without saying you like it.
    It is somewhat self serving and it may feel dirty but you are helping your company and yourself and informing your friends who may be interested and so everyone benefits. This is how the world works.

  12. Re:Nope by vlm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can't say that I would do it.

    The problem is the original poster, not the policy, at least so far. The original poster is an epic fail because:

    The thing is, most of the employees have not used the app

    You have to do that before you can decide what to do with:

    we are being asked to say that we like it.

    Note that you don't have to like the genre to say the product is best in class, or at least somewhat "like-able". Many years ago I was asked my opinion of an ethnic food product my former employer sold; I can't stand that kind of stuff, but I could honestly say my employers individual product was an excellent example of the genre. If I had to eat this junk in general, this is the one I'd eat. This is your out if the app is something like a female ovulation calendar app or kids educational app or whatever.

    I deleted my facebook account years ago, but the social norm at the time was some dude you sat next to in 8th grade once is a "friend" and anything vaguely novel is "like", so its not as if they're asking you to get a tattoo on your forehead or become a booth babe. The standard for "like" an app is probably "it didn't make my phone catch fire, so thats good enough".

    If its just too rancidly repulsive to appeal to you, or in your opinion, anyone, you need to run like hell and start emailing resumes because:
    1) They're obviously grasping at straws if its so awful they have to pay people $75K/yr (or whatever) to grudgingly admit they like it.
    2) After grasping at straws comes the layoffs, downsizing, bankruptcies, etc, next week. So get a jump to it.

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  13. This isn't astroturfing. by bistromath007 · · Score: 4, Informative

    That would be if you were expected to fake a bunch of actual reviews. Of course you "like" it. It buys you food. Employees have always been expected to stand behind their company's work in at least a "well, it's ours" kind of way.

  14. Basic Office Skills by royallthefourth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When marketing (or most anyone else) sends an email to the entire company, ignore it. Duh.

  15. Re:How about advertising? by Sir_Sri · · Score: 4, Informative

    traditional advertising weakened significantly as people shifted to a 'social' model of judging if they should buy a product. Since the early inceptions of this idea were informative rather than spammy (your friend is playing this game, your brother likes bought this car). It was like a technological word of mouth, with some tools to help spread the word. Word of mouth was always valuable, it was just cost prohibitive to plant fake word of mouth people for everything. Now of course you can use your employees to count as warm bodies for your marketing department as 'likes' for their supposedly social advertising. In some ways this isn't new, how many companies offer employee discounts for example? You want your employees to be advertisers for your products, this just makes it official.

    As a result advertising shifts. If people believe celebrities, hire celebrities, if people believe 'page views' or 'total number of likes' then you find ways to generate those things. If people tend to click the first result of a google search, you're the first result or you're trying to figure out how to get there.

    'Advertising' is trying to get people to know about your product and want to buy it. That changes as technologies change. Right now people still (wrongly) believe that some sort of social liking of a product means it's worth owning, so you pay for that. Sometimes you pay for fake journalists, review scores, or whatever you think people will care about.

    In the case of the OP his job has asked him to perform work as part of his duties. He should make a series of corporate social accounts that are for the employee Sir_Sri_CEOofSriCorp sort of thing. And use those for all company advertising. When his (or her) employment concludes transfer that professional employee persona to the employer, as it was done on their time and is their property.

    One of my friends used to work at a radio station, where she had a brand that wasn't her name. When she left the radio station they claimed (correctly) ownership of the persona she had created at that station as part of her employment there. When she left she couldn't keep the name. She now does voice acting under a similar but not the same persona. (You can dodge this by creating a company that owns the persona you use, and then the contract that hires you hires your company which retains ownership). Someone like stephen colbert manages to maintain decidedly different personal and public profiles, as an employee it doesn't have to e quite as grandiose, but it's basically the same thing.