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Assessing Media Bias: Microsoft Vs. Everyone Else

snydeq writes "J. Peter Bruzzese questions whether Microsoft receives unfair criticism in the media, while Apple, Facebook, and Google seem to get away from missteps unscathed. 'I've noticed an unfair, ongoing trend: If Microsoft does something a little off, it gets bashed into the ground for it. But if Google, Facebook, or Apple (all three of which can be categorized, like Microsoft, as The Man in their own rights) missteps, it generally gets mild reprimands and even support from the media and those drinking the Kool-Aid.' Do you feel any inherent media bias in its coverage of the tech industry?"

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  1. There is a huge positive bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    towards Apple.

    1. Re:There is a huge positive bias by sgrover · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Their former tactics are still at play. They've just learned to hide them better. Like getting surrogate companies to do their will (may I direct you towards the SCO vs IBM and Oracle vs Google cases? Form your own opinion of course...)

    2. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Nevermind that Microsoft invented the basis of AJAX, XMLHttpRequest, which other browsers ended up copying to start the entire Web 2.0 era right? And they changed a web browser from something you had to buy to something that was free and shipped with every operating system.

      Other than that, Microsoft has done nothing but hold back the web.

  2. Microsoft Deserves It by wrightrocket · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Microsoft hadn't already alienated the world by trying to bully them, then I might care.

    1. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      During the 90's, Microsoft supporters were super-quick to bash, deride, and mock anything that Apple came out with, or anything in the open-source world, while corporate publications poured endless praise on Microsoft itself.

      Now the situation is reversed and Microsoft wants to complain about bad press? Maybe they should sit down, shut up, and watch as what goes around comes around.

      (Alternately, if you don't want bad press, don't ship bad products. If Microsoft wants to stop a flurry of articles about how awesome their competitors are, maybe they should ship products that are clearly, measurably better than their competitors.)

    2. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Fluffeh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      MS has so thoroughly pissed me off

      I think that is the crux of it right there, but for most people, perhaps not so much the /.'ers but rather mainstream media, they get snitchy with Microsoft because they are associated with "My Computer crashed again, damn Microsoft!". Microsoft does get a big bunch of bad press - or rather stories that they are involved with might get a bit more of a sour take due to their association with problems, lets face it, if a PC crashes right before the sales rep finishes putting that sales presentation together - and then has nothing to show, the sales rep will remember that and blame Microsoft. Google, Facebook and the likes don't have this problem. It might be argued that they offer a better service then, but that would be comparing apples to oranges.

      I am not taking the side of Microsoft here, they piss me off as much as the next guy, but more for the fact that they abused their power greatly, they acted in amazingly un-ethical ways, especially in the early days, their (in my opinion) abuse of their operating system to push out other inferior products (Hello IE, I'm looking at you!). When it comes to the Windows side of it, I have to say that I am both in awe and loathing over the product. It is terribly unstable, though getting better with Win 7, the security is poor compared to *nix - but when you look at just how much hardware they support, and how well it works, any techie will have to say that it is amazing that it works. Slap any old or new hardware together and you can load Windows. It might not be terribly efficient, and bloat up, but it fricken works.

      So, to sum up, I agree with They deserve it but not for the reasons that most people do.

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    3. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by StikyPad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Google didn't spend decades ignoring security, stability, quality, and performance all while strong-arming providers into using their product. They didn't start a "software alliance" that focuses almost exclusively on piracy of MS products and provides incentives for people frame their employers for fun and profit. Apple didn't file lawsuits against open source projects trying to give people viable options.

      While MS is somewhat better behaved these days, and arguably focusing more on delivering a quality product than using questionable methods to achieve and maintain dominance, they still have a long and sordid history that doesn't just magically go away because they decided to start playing a bit nicer. Google has plenty of faults, but those who would compare it to MS in its heyday are either ignorant of the facts, or viewing history through rose colored glasses.

    4. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Informative

      PAGE 2 of the FA

      "Why Microsoft is such a target for bashing"
      Microsoft is bashed so often (unfairly, in my opinion) because of past issues and the perceptions surrounding those issues, including:

      â-Microsoft was embroiled in antitrust matters. That's old news for Microsoft, but it may be novel for Apple, which is coming under government scrutiny, not that you hear much about it.
      â-Microsoft products are criticized for security holes -- that Vista filled in. Thanks to 10 years of its Trustworthy Computing effort, Microsoft is a leader in teaching the Secure Development Life Cycle methodology to other companies.
      â-Microsoft was criticized for not being innovative -- although the Xbox and the Kinect are two of the many areas showing just the opposite.
      â-Microsoft was criticized for being closed and guarded, and for not playing nice with other ecosystems -- despite, in recent years, the amazing amount of open information through MSDN blogs and an open source forum called Codeplex. The fact that Microsoft releases software for other platforms like Mac OS X and iOS should dispel this critique.

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    5. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by king+neckbeard · · Score: 5, Informative

      Google's dominance in the search market is/was largely based upon technical merit. Also, Google has fairly limited lock-in to end users. You can switch to Bing, Yahoo, DuckDuckGo, etc., very easily if you so choose.

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    6. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Even IE 6 was good when it was released.

      So I see you're not a web developer. The problem with IE was not related to the user interface, or rendering speed, or security. The problem was proprietary extensions, which to some degree were intended to replace the standards. You coded your web page the standards-compliant way, or the microsoft way, or went to awful lengths to support both.

      Oh, and the user interface, rendering speed, and security were abysmal.

    7. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Fluffeh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem was proprietary extensions, which to some degree were intended to replace the standards.

      At the time IE6 was released, yes, all browsers were pretty much "rubbish" when compared to the versions that are out there today. Having said that, I totally agree with the AC here. What Microsoft did was to make, and strongly push, their own products through somewhat insidious means. That horror called Sharepoint for example, ONLY worked with Internet Explorer. As Sharepoint was often sold to businesses who weren't that tech savvy, their users were forced into using IE. Sharepoint STILL does this today. While certain features do work cross browser these days, Sharepoint is still not by any means a web standards supporting CMS.

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    8. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by nschubach · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Kinect was outright bought from another company if I remember correctly (PimeSense?). XBox I might give you but it's just a console running Microsoft Software... I would call it more evolution than innovation

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    9. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by celtic_hackr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps it can be explained this way.

      1) MS has been historically a bully and no one likes bullies.
      2) MS is still a bully, but now a bully with a gang of surrogates. Rather than doing the bullying out in the open they send their legions to do it.
      3) MS has been two-faced. "Do as I say, not as I do".
      4) MS is still two-faced.
      5) MS has been a thief, stealing other people's code. There are many lawsuits proving this. Stacker compression being just one case.
      6) MS has been petty to companies and yes the members of the press.
      7) Members of the press have long memories.
      8) This is getting to be a long list. you get the picture, I hope.
      9) There are lots of features in MS products that are there, because exactly one person asked for it. Making programs bulky, and error prone.
      10) MS products are millions of lines of code maintained with patch after patch over decades and reused, based on a design that lacked vision (which is admittedly a difficult thing to have, Steve Jobs was one of those few visionaries).

      The lesson we learn here is if you do evil, lack vision, are too greedy, and don't play nice with others, people won't like you. Hence MS is only reaping the rewards of decades of arduous planting of seeds they have sown. Or you reap what you sow.

    10. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by mystikkman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Android was bought, so was multitouch technology in the iPhone and Siri and lots of other things. But you pick on MS, which is really proving the point of the article.

    11. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by starfishsystems · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why are you willing to let Google get away with monopolistic behavior that Microsoft gets crucified for?

      Google has market share because it provides services that people want to use. It's not above criticism, and it bears watching if only because it's got fingers in so many pies. But so far, I haven't seen compelling evidence that Google is evil. And neither have the courts.

      Microsoft has market share because it historically used every means, fair and foul, to lock customers into its products, intimidate vendors into incorporating its products, and crush, absorb, or threaten competitors to its products. Not only did Microsoft make crappy software, it did so strategically. Microsoft still threatens Linux with unspecified patent violations. Oh yeah, and stacking the ISO standards committee so it could get its bloated and patent-encumbered XML standard ratified. Microsoft is a convicted monopolist in both the US and the EU.

      What was your point again?

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  3. Witness the power of competent PR! by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What you're describing is the difference between a giant, scary company with a good PR department, and one that has no idea how to sell their brand. I think it's that simple.

  4. Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are we really entertaining the topic of Facebook getting a free pass on PR? They get slammed every time a privacy issue comes up;

    Likewise Apple gets hammered every time there's an iphone glitch or IOS issue effecting battery life.

    Google? You mean the near universal punching bag for reasons why "do no evil" cannot be their motto?

  5. Are you kidding me? by dell623 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft has been left relatively alone while Google and Facebook and Apple have faced the most severe scrutiny of late. Also the fact that conversation about the patent wars is dominated by Florian Mueller and people quoting Florian Mueller has meant Microsoft has got off very lightly, even in its extremely dubious attempts to collect royalty for Android based on software patents, and attemps at bullying smaller companies like BArnes and Noble: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2011111122291296

    Or the fact that despite anti trust rulings, we still get Windows bundled with all non Apple laptops with no option to avoid paying for it, and IE is still bundled?

    No, they still get off too lightly.

  6. Did Fox News write this? by gatfirls · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This reads just like one of their whiny op-eds about the liberal media only focusing on republicans (and of course they're all lies or exaggerations).

    1. Re:Did Fox News write this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Did Fox News write this?

      J. Peter Bruzzese did. He's simply a

      Microsoft MVP, Triple-MCSE, MCT, MCITP: Messaging. J.P.B. is the Enterprise Windows columnist for InfoWorld and an avid Windows and Exchange advocate.

      Why wouldn't he be fair and balanced?

  7. Cry Me A River by fwarren · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is the circle of life.

    Once upon a time, it was IBM who had every misstep reported as evil and Microsoft was the could-do-no-wrong company,.

    Twenty years from now, No one will talk about Microsoft at all, though they will still be in business. Everyone will jump on the evil that Google does, and no matter what they do, OCP (or the current new kid on the block) will do no wrong.

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  8. That some serious myopia by IQGQNAU · · Score: 4, Informative

    Exactly how far back does your memory go? For decades while Microsoft held power over all computers that mattered the press was overwhelming pro-M$. A big part of that was of course because they poured an enormous amount of money into the publishers' coffers. Even whole publishers owed their existence to M$ and never would be heard a discouraging word (ever heard of Ziff-Davis?). Then there was this little thing of being convicted of illegal antitrust market manipulation and a few folks woke up to the idea that it is possible that not everything M$ puts out smells all that sweet.

  9. Bias thy name is Gartner by gelfling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gartner couldn't be any more insanely pro MS if they were branded a subsidiary of MS.

  10. Media vs tech media by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the media, sure. Apple is always launching new gizmos and the media eats it up like a child on Christmas morning. They can't help it if it's a slow news day.

    But do tech publications have the same bias? Seems unlikely to me; there's always stories on Slashdot criticising Apple (and Google, and Microsoft.) Same goes for any other tech news site I've seen, baring 9to5mac and such.

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    1. Re:Media vs tech media by samkass · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not even in the media. When is the last time you heard about the labor practices that go into making Android handsets? Despite the fact that Apple seems to be the only company willing to try to improve things, and that the Foxconn factory that made Microsoft Xbox parts was the subject of the threatened mass suicide recently, it was all reported as "Apple's supplier". Or environmentalists railing on Apple over their "disposable" culture when Apple's products are some of the most recyclable and their programs some of the best at doing so?

      Apple is definitely not getting a free pass lately. If anything, Microsoft's foray into cellphones is getting a free pass, as is Android's attempts at a tablet. They're treated with kid gloves because they're not Apple.

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    2. Re:Media vs tech media by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The media always goes after the biggest target. For much of the last two decades that has been Microsoft, but now as they're browser share slips badly and their latest foray into the smartphone market still isn't lighting fireworks, well, Apple is the guy to beat on. Google and Facebook get a lot more heat in Europe than here, maybe because everyone here has already sold their souls to those particular privacy devils already.

      Frankly, I'm seeing a lot less negative MS stories on Slashdot these days. To some extent, I'm seeing a lot less Microsoft stories period. Desktops aren't sexy things any more, nobody really gives a crap about the next version of Windows. Windows 8 buzz lasts exactly as long as the space between the latest story on Google being bashed by German courts or Apple being nailed for the number of Chinese get buried for every thousand iPods produced. Microsoft is a middle aged company now, and it really isn't doing anything terribly interesting or even inflammatory, or at least nothing that's nearly as interesting as Apple getting nailed as part of an e-book cartel.

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    3. Re:Media vs tech media by Benaiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Between 98 and windows xp Microsoft was probably at the height of their power. They were on everyone's PC, everyone's laptop. There wasn't a viable alternative because they had all the Apps! Fast forward to Vista and you see that Microsoft squandered their position. They lost touch with their market, fed them hype and shit and delivered a product that didn't work... then we had a failed phone, a failed zune and whatever else that never saw the light of day... Windows 7 is an improvement over Vista but really that's not a comparison that even Microsoft wants to make. With windows 8 and the tablet market heating up there really is potential for Microsoft to "innovate" and develop an O/S that runs the same application on a Arm tablet all the way up to an i7 desktop.

      So do they deserve the bashing they get? Damn right they do. Do evil was there motto there for a while, as well as charge more for less. Buy out a product just to destroy it, charge outrageous prices for licensing and just generally piss everyone off. On the other hand look at google maps. what a brilliant tool that we all rely on that got released for free... Google mail offering 1gb instead of 1mb at Hotmail. Facebook hasn't done anything of note yet, but Apple (which I do bash constantly) releases a new and evolutionary tool every year that is compatible with old. Playstation should be taking notes and following in their footsteps. So yeah, Microsoft is the herpes of the world.

    4. Re:Media vs tech media by T-Bone-T · · Score: 4, Funny

      You've got that right about Microsoft cellphones. I never hear of them outside tech blogs.

  11. Bullies by sgrover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bullies have to work extremely hard to loose their reputation as a bully. Non-bullies who mess up are worthy of more lee-way.

  12. pop quiz, Mr. J. Peter Bruzzese by Phantom+Gremlin · · Score: 4, Informative

    Which of the following four companies is a convicted monopolist?
    a) Microsoft
    b) Apple
    c) Facebook
    d) Google

    The correct answer is "a" (Microsoft). The leadership that festered that predatory behavior is still at Microsoft. Bill Gates is Chairman, Steve Ballmer is CEO. That's why Microsoft's actions warrant careful scrutiny.

    It's unfortunate that the "editors" allowed themselves to be trolled this way.

  13. Re:I Concur by tbannist · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't really see it. It looks to me like a Microsoft partisan is pulling the old "liberal media" trick of accusing everyone else to be biased so that he'll look less biased. The guy making the complaint is intricately tied to Microsoft (he's Microsoft VIP, and MSCE, a Microsoft Partner...), these are facts that he neglected to mention in the article because they might lead people to rightly believe that his reporting might have a pro-Microsoft bias.

    Also I've never heard of the controversy he claims gets "so much attention". It's biased reporting of the worst sort.

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