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Assessing Media Bias: Microsoft Vs. Everyone Else

snydeq writes "J. Peter Bruzzese questions whether Microsoft receives unfair criticism in the media, while Apple, Facebook, and Google seem to get away from missteps unscathed. 'I've noticed an unfair, ongoing trend: If Microsoft does something a little off, it gets bashed into the ground for it. But if Google, Facebook, or Apple (all three of which can be categorized, like Microsoft, as The Man in their own rights) missteps, it generally gets mild reprimands and even support from the media and those drinking the Kool-Aid.' Do you feel any inherent media bias in its coverage of the tech industry?"

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  1. There is a huge positive bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    towards Apple.

    1. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd say they're polarizing. Having owned both an iPhone and (presently) a nice Android handset, I never understood why people get so up-in-arms over a cellphone.

      Facebook gets TONS of hate (and outright bullshit) over privacy issues. Yes, they make money by knowing everything about you. No, they don't sell your information.

      Google gets a bit of free pass everywhere, except for the odd privacy gripe. They seem to be the punching bag du jour in the courts though.

      Microsoft, we all just love to hate, even if they're not in a position to deserve it anymore. They certainly did though. We'd be years ahead of where we are with the web, if it weren't for them and their (former) antics.

    2. Re:There is a huge positive bias by sgrover · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Their former tactics are still at play. They've just learned to hide them better. Like getting surrogate companies to do their will (may I direct you towards the SCO vs IBM and Oracle vs Google cases? Form your own opinion of course...)

    3. Re:There is a huge positive bias by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      Not sure I agree. I'm not an Apple fan, but I observe that they took a lot of heat for the "grip of death", and for dropping calls frequently on earlier models. (And incidentally, deservedly so.) Moreover, I just yesterday read an article dissing the ipad 3 for a number of factors. I think there is perhaps a huge positive bias from certain sources, but it's by no means a blanket condition.

      Nor do I believe that there is a huge negative bias from the media against Windows. There are sources that will always rag on M$ and (admittedly fewer) sources for which Balmer can do no wrong. I think an argument can be made that the negative press they get, they deserve.

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    4. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Bonobo_Unknown · · Score: 1

      Is SCO still around? Wow.

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    5. Re:There is a huge positive bias by mystikkman · · Score: 2

      Because hating on MS is cool and fawning Google/Apple is the in thing.

    6. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 1

      Yes, their assets were bought by UnXis and they're called TSG (The SCO Group) now. Yes, their company is now a nested acronym.

      Their website looks like it's from 8-10 years ago, if that's any indication of how well they're doing.

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    7. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Weatherlawyer · · Score: 1

      Have they produced a viable OS?

    8. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Jeff+Hornby · · Score: 3, Informative

      Of course Facebook (and Google) sell your information. The only difference between them and other companies that are gathering and selling information about you is that Facebook and Google are selling your information retail instead of wholesale. The information is still being used to do the same thing: target advertising at you to convince you to act in ways that you would not have otherwise and might well be detrimental to your own interests.

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    9. Re:There is a huge positive bias by HermMunster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Embrace

      Extend

      Extinguish

      Do I need to say more?

      Convicted monopolist maybe?

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    10. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Nevermind that Microsoft invented the basis of AJAX, XMLHttpRequest, which other browsers ended up copying to start the entire Web 2.0 era right? And they changed a web browser from something you had to buy to something that was free and shipped with every operating system.

      Other than that, Microsoft has done nothing but hold back the web.

    11. Re:There is a huge positive bias by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

      Have they produced a viable OS?

      Depends what "viable" means. Reliabe or profitable?
      MS definitely gets the other guy to take the fall for any shortcoming in MS software. Here is a recent example, where it looks like Nokia's fault that WP7 has a memory management issue.

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    12. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Altrag · · Score: 3, Informative

      They've just learned to hide them better.

      Their rampant and sudden(ish) adoption of HTML5 + Javascript for Win8 kind of screams E&E to me. Maybe not yet, but I suspect it will come. They have plenty of home-grown technologies that could easily be extended to provide support for all the new Metro flashies, but have chosen to roll their ball down the HTML5 slope under the slogan of "openness".

      Which is great, until they decide to slam the door after a large portion of the user base has gone through it.

      Think how much strife web devs have gone through over the years trying to make their sites compatible with both IE and FF (and all of their various incompatible versions.. and nowadays Safari and Chrome as well)? Well take that, and consider how fun it will be when all of those same issues apply to standalone, local applications?

      And of course they've got no short history of explicitly adding proprietary extensions to open standards. They got slammed for trying to do that with Java, and hopefully that will set some precedent, but HTML5 and JS are, as far as I know, not yet legally protected from MS' tactics.

      Consider how this will play out. They take a truly open standard such as HTML5, implement it as perfectly as possible. And then add something.

      MS products will be able to accurately display web pages developed on Linux or OSX or any other system you care to name that follows the HTML5 standard. So it doesn't matter what the back-end is running, the front-end works beautifully.

      Now add something. Doesn't have to be much, and almost certainly will be based in the client side and transparent to the server. MS products are still compatible with 100% of all HTML5 websites out there, but non-MS browsers are no longer compatible with any website that happens to use MS' extension.

      Doesn't even have to be anything breaking or even terribly complex. Something like a fancier hook to the Metro UI for example -- add a start page link when IE is your default browser? Get realtime updates for.. whatever. With FF as your default browser? Get a static icon. In both cases and with both browsers, the website itself would work fine.

      But those little bits of flair can add up. Imagine the usability difference it would make for something like Twitter or Facebook (or heck, Slashdot) if you had a basic feed on the desktop and didn't need to ever load up the full page unless something caught your attention?

      Oh well. We can hope and pray that MS will avoid being evil this go-round, but my guess is that retrospect will eventually show a continuation of business as usual.

    13. Re:There is a huge positive bias by nstlgc · · Score: 1

      Oracle is doing Microsoft's bidding? I'm having a hard time believing that.

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    14. Re:There is a huge positive bias by erroneus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uhm... I think you miss the context of the idea. Let's take a Monsanto spin on "embrace and extend" where they take ordinary food stuff and modify it then sue everyone who might have been cross pollenated or were otherwise unintentionally violating patents on living organisms. They are taking the food we all eat, embracing it, changing it and then controlling it.

      When we are talking about Microsoft, they are taking public standards which had enjoyed wide support and compatibility and really twisted things up to the point that the WWW only works well with their browsers. Standards are for the benefit of the community of businesses, governments and users out there. Microsoft has attempted and even been successful at removing those benefits from the community to enrich themselves at the expense of ALL others.

      Yeah, it's a bad thing.

    15. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's some pro trolling and pro squeezing lies in as little words as possible - neither claim is true. MS pushed 'active-x' for years - leaving webmasters to write double code for every ajax feature, and refusing to accept a de-facto webstandard for many years to come. And that they included their own 'free' browser with every shipped OS - obstructing any possible business model of any possible competition. Same facts, other wordings.

    16. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 2

      Often enough, the "improvement" includes small but intentional changes that serves only one purpose:
      Make 3rd party products unable to interact with Microsoft products.

      Microsoft then relies on its ubiquity (as in, most businesses rely on Microsoft products and if your product cannot interact with those, it is a big disadvantage) to make those 3rd party products unattractive. And that is what people complain about.

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    17. Re:There is a huge positive bias by hb253 · · Score: 2

      Another example of their drive to get their products entrenched:

      My company is looking to go away from our current antivirus product to Forefront. We don't use SCCM. According to Microsoft, you need SCCM to manage Forefront. So, we are expected to dump our current inventory/software deployment system and set up an SCCM infrastructure just to use their antivirus product.

      Brilliant.

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    18. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Deviate_X · · Score: 1

      Apple gets a free pass on most things because Apple made computing accessible to a type of audience: they write, they blog and go to confrences and talk about IT

    19. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Deviate_X · · Score: 1

      Name what has been embraced, extended and extinguished ?

    20. Re:There is a huge positive bias by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      target advertising at you to convince you to act in ways that you would not have otherwise and might well be detrimental to your own interests.

      I bought a TV recently. 20 years ago I would have been forced to go to various shops and try to view it in-store. I actually did that and most of the examples were badly set up and of course shop lighting is always terrible and not representative of home viewing, and you can't really evaluate the sound.

      20 years ago the only other source of information was magazine reviews, which of course were often biased. If you were lucky a friend might already own one. That was it.

      These days I can use Google to dig out vast amounts of information about any model, including people's experiences posted on forums and dozens of different professional reviews. So while it is true that Google subjects me to marketing as well, I am definitely better informed and less prone to marketing hype and paid reviews. In fact I see less advertising now because I don't have to wade through ad-laden magazines or watch so much TV.

      There is a trade going on but I think we came out much better than the advertisers. If your product sucks the internet is going to find out pretty quickly and a random person stood in a shop can access that knowledge from their phone to counter all your flashy displays and slimy salesmen.

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    21. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Deviate_X · · Score: 2

      You the perfect example of error, you talk about microsoft implementing HTML5 perfectly while ignoring the fact that chrome, firefox, safari have implemented broken draft specification's of HTML5. It turns out that sites are breaking in IE because they are non-standard, but the same sites are "working" in other browsers. http://wmpoweruser.com/twitter-fix-mobile-twitter-css-bug-for-windows-phone/

    22. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Deviate_X · · Score: 3, Interesting

      AJAX was created for Outlook web access (~1998): *http://blogs.technet.com/b/exchange/archive/2005/06/21/406646.aspx *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlook_Web_App#Technology Outlook web access was later copied by Google tocreate Gmail (~2004). *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gmail Media bias caused Gmail and Google to be regarded as an innovator when infact the whole Ajax became recommended by the w3c in 2006 *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_(programming)#History

    23. Re:There is a huge positive bias by sootman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wrong and wrong.

      1) People were already doing AJAX-y stuff like make sequential menus (i.e., you pick your state from one menu, then another menu appears with a list of the cities in that state) with JavaScript and regular old CGIs for quite a while before MS put out XMLHttpRequest. All MS did was specify some things. Someone else invented the idea, and another someone else (Google) made it famous.

      2) Netscape was made free for "individual, academic and research users" in 1994. http://home.mcom.com/info/newsrelease.html
      Spyglass Mosaic--you know, the browser that MSIE was based on--was free for "non-commercial use" even before that. MSIE 1.0 didn't even come out until 1995. Companies tend to pay for things, so while making a browser free for commercial use certainly helped the web some, leaving it as something companies had to pay for wouldn't have held the web back much.

      I don't know if your last line is sarcastic or not, but yes, there is tons of evidence that Microsoft did indeed work very hard to hold back the web. That doesn't mean they never did anything that was pro-web but what little they did was more than offset by all the bad they've done.

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    24. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Xest · · Score: 1

      Agreed, I was under the impression Microsoft has improved in recent years, but I agree, I'm beginning to realise they've just gotten smarter.

      They've been outed as backers of a number of FUD campaigns, they've been outed as being responsible for a lot of anti-Google lobbying in the European parliament and so forth.

      It's becoming more and more clear that Microsoft has just gotten far far better at lobbying, and as you say, far far better at using proxies. Look at the way they basically managed to hijack Nokia - I don't believe for a second Elop got in there and switched it to a Windows Phone house fairly and squarely.

      Which brings me to TFA, it ironically sounds like another paid Microsoft shill article. Frankly I see companies like Google get a lot of bad rap. Google is constantly getting hammered on privacy yet it's nowhere near as guilty of privacy infringement as Facebook whom I know for a fact have broken European privacy laws with not an eyelid batted by the authorities over it. Facebook is very close to Microsoft, with Microsoft having a masive stake in it, so it doesn't suprise me.

      Apple knows how to play the marketing game too, and Microsoft seems to have been very lenient with them - certainly with regards to for example cell phone patents, Apple and Microsoft seem to have largely been working together.

      Make no mistake, this last few years Microsoft has been on a massive PR offensive using shills, puppet companies, lobbying and so forth, and I actually find it quite scary - I actually kind of preferred it when they were openly evil, rather than doing their evil things behind backdoors. The whole XML documentation standards debacle seem to be the point at which Microsoft's subversive lobbying and shilling actions seem to really come out into the open.

      Which is a real shame, because I'm actually a fan of a lot of Microsoft's products - I still think Visual Studio is the best IDE going by a longshot, I think C# is a brilliant language, and I like Office - yes, I'm one of those strange ones who even appreciates the ribbon bars! SQL server aint bad, and I'm quite content with Windows 7 and Windows Server nowadays. I enjoy my XBox 360 too, so it pains me to see that they feel the need to just become increasingly fucking evil in the background.

    25. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Embrace. Apple built itself back up by leaning hard on the F/OSS community.
      Extend. Apple polished the user experience. They made it shiny.
      Extinguish. Apple runs an entirely closed ecosystem. Also, the app store terms and conditions are incompatible with the L/GPL.

      Need I say more?
      Price fixing maybe? (to be determined, but smells bad)

    26. Re:There is a huge positive bias by 0xG · · Score: 1

      THE MAN has shifted the debate.

      Like you, I recently came to the realization that my life is not centred around my phone, and that if it does a few basic things: who cares?

      But the debate has been cleverly shifted. It's like Coke and Pepsi. The question is no longer "Should I drink overpriced sugary flavoured water?". Now the question is "Which brand of [sugary flavoured water] should I swear fealty to?".

      Clever marketing in both cases. I am sure you can find other examples.

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    27. Re:There is a huge positive bias by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      But it IS Nokia's fault. They should have chosen a better company to buy the OS from. Same with a computer -- I'm not Microsoft's customer, Acer is. If there's a software bug, Acer's at fault. Just like if you buy a new Ford with faulty Firestones, it's Ford's fault for choosing that brand of tyre.

    28. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Where did you come up with that pile of crap?
      Once a standard is "out there", how can a single company remove those benefits from the community?

    29. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Jeff+Hornby · · Score: 1

      But the real question is why did you buy a new TV? Was it because your old one wore out and it was time to replace it or was it because some advertising convinced you that without the new whiz-bang 1000000p display with 4D something-or-other you life would be a meaningless shell and you would never get laid and probably get cancer?

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    30. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      Netbooks.

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    31. Re:There is a huge positive bias by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      My old TV has an annoying problem where it takes about 15 seconds to change channels. Also the new one has Freesat built in which is nicer than having to buy a Freesat PVR, which itself would cost hundreds.

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    32. Re:There is a huge positive bias by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      And they changed a web browser from something you had to buy to something that was free and shipped with every operating system.

      Where on earth did you get this bizzare idea? I've been web surfing since the early NCSA Mosaic days, and have never once paid money for a browser. You could in fact make the argument that the closest I've come to paying for a browser is with IE, as I paid money for the OS CD's that it came on.

    33. Re:There is a huge positive bias by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      That's a load of shit. Anytime something negative happens that involves Apple, no matter how small their involvement is then their name is in the headlines.

      When was the last time anyone complained about the xbox 360 being made in the evil Foxconn factory? Or actually parts for most every computing device on this planet? Compare how the 4S signal issue was handled to Nokia's all out busted Windows phones. It's so bad Nokia is giving away the phone for free.

      Apple and Google are indeed big corporations too but the idea that MS is getting bullied or treated unfairly is a load of rubbish. I would argue no one really talks about them because their name, unlike Apple's, does not get the hits coming in to websites.

    34. Re:There is a huge positive bias by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Between having the most extreme pay-wall on consoles, bullying Android manufacturers into coughing up cash and other things, I'd say they still deserve. Going from eating ten babies a day to one doesn't exactly make you a good person.

    35. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Not exactly. Their former tactics are still at play, but they're becoming less and less relevant over time due to various things, such as the explosion of the mobile market, which they basically missed the bus for (actually, they've been in the mobile market for ages, but have consistently done poorly).

      However, they're still dominating on the desktop PC; it's just that the desktop PC is fading in importance these days, rather than them losing their stranglehold on it.

    36. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You're missing something. Apple's certainly engaged in "embrace and extend", but not the "extinguish" part, though not for lack of trying. Android phones are a very significant part of the smartphone market, and seem to be growing. Apple doesn't have anything resembling a monopoly in smartphones; you need that to be considered successful at the "extinguish" part: it means you've extinguished the competition.

    37. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Khalid · · Score: 1

      The Wintel duopoly is completly finished, the future is a clear highway towards HTML 5, Tablets and smartphones, it's just a matter of time, everything will move to the web and the cloud.

    38. Re:There is a huge positive bias by Eskarel · · Score: 1

      Vista had issues because Microsoft was fighting the hardware vendors over who would blink. In this specific instance Microsoft was right as the new driver model was better. They put in DRM because it was a requirement for enabling blu-ray playback. They ditched that in Win 7 and so ditched the DRM. An unfortunate addition to Vista, but Microsoft as a US based publicly traded company has to play ball with the MPAA in a way Linux does not. I live on Australia and my Microsoft devices are the only hardware in my house that actually pays attention to region encoding in DVDs and the rest of it came that way off the shelf, most of it from Sony.

      IE 6 was a crime, it's one Microsoft are paying for, and should continue to pay for. Leaving their browser alone for a decade has set everyone back years, including them they now seem to realize. Microsoft needs competition to survive, but its competition dies, at least in recent times, because Microsoft's offering is better, and this includes Netscape.

      I don't know enough about the technical differences between OOXML and OD to judge this point.

      Ogg Vorbis isn't used in the US because it is probably vulnerable to patent lawsuit(Ogg says it isn't, the MP3 patent holders say it is, a court hasn't decided), and it isn't used anywhere because the iPod doesn't support it and Apple has had a monopoly on the portable music player market for the last decade. Apple and patent law killed Vorbis.

    39. Re:There is a huge positive bias by andsens · · Score: 1

      Where did you come up with that pile of crap? Once a standard is "out there", how can a single company remove those benefits from the community?

      Take a guess. They control 90% of the consumer PC market. Or did, at least. You don't think that is enough power to do something like that?

    40. Re:There is a huge positive bias by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

      Wow. Just... Wow. This is a complete load of crap.

      Windows 7 has the same DRM as Vista. Nothing changed there. Vista was a failure for a lot of reasons, but most of it was marketing related. Vista had a bad reputation, and MS correctly addressed that in Windows 7.

      IE has improved dramatically over the last few years, and IE10 is set to be quite competitive. MS's released software will never be up to whatever latest standard is out there because MS's development cycles are so long, and open source products can get partial support out there a lot faster.

      OOXML actually was an improvement over ODF in many ways. For instance, the original ODF did not specify a standard for spreadsheet formulas, while OOXML did. ODF was also not logically compatible with legacy binary formats, while OOXML was (allowing legacy binary formats to be easily converted to XML formats). Much of what was written about MS's "methods" of standardization was hyperbole, hysteria, and utter BS, while nothing was made of IBM and Sun's underhanded tactics (for example, IBM Employees wrote the responses for a number of countries and they were rubberstamped.)

      After all was said and done.. We still have OOXML and ODF, and both work just fine, and neither has caused the world to end. So what was all the fuss about?

      Ogg Vorbis is not popular for one reason, and one reason alone. Apple doesn't support it. They own the market. non-apple media players account for only 25% of the market, while MS owned 2%. In fact, I can't think of a single thing MS may have done to intentionally destroy Ogg Vorbis. Can you back up that claim somehow?

    41. Re:There is a huge positive bias by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

      Uhh.. no. Outlook Web Access had nothing to do with Hotmail. It's a web front-end to your Exchange Server.

      OWA and AJAX had nothing to do with the purchase of Hotmail.

    42. Re:There is a huge positive bias by crutchy · · Score: 1

      Have they produced a viable OS?

      no. if any other company orchestrated the same oem deals that microsoft has forged, they would be dragged over the coals by the competition watchdogs. if microsoft couldn't benefit from those deals any more and was forced to compete in the same way as anyone else (such as linux vendors) it would go broke.

      why do they get away with it? because it took twenty years for the legal system to catch up, and in those twenty years microsoft made enough money to fend off anyone but the most powerful governments in the world (US and EU), and penalties imposed are far outweighed by the benefits or their corrupt business practices

    43. Re:There is a huge positive bias by crutchy · · Score: 1

      nobody but brainwashed moron fanbois even care about apple, let alone buy their products. yeah there are a lot of them, but its the same reason why hello kitty is so popular; plain old idiocy.

    44. Re:There is a huge positive bias by davydagger · · Score: 1
      what? browsers where made free before then, What MS did was package their browser to give it an unfair advantage. Like they packaged MSN instant messenger, and the client for MSN, back when dial up was still around. They tried to muscelle their way into the ISP game via windows too. Early versions of XP shiped with MSN messenger running default at start up as a TSR with a systray icon. Really crappy horriblly written program that slowed down you computer, like most other MS Crap.

      getting back to MS, most geeks over 25 who remember the internet, and desktop computers of the 1990s, don't remember MS so fondly, and they've killed many attempts to improve computers, simply because it might cost them money or marketshare down the road.

      If Micrsoft's legacy was just shitty products I don't think anyone would care so much. Its the FUD, specificly flowing through the balding hot tempered miscreant of then-VP, now-CEO Steve Balmer. If there was ever a picture of unrepentant asshole who's leadership style is that of "Tank Girl" foe Keslee, its Steve Balmer.

      If that wasn't enough, most of us didn't like being reffered to as un-American, or propigators of a "virus"(both spoken about linux and open source by Mr Balmer). Heck even the term "going viral" is based off linux's rise to popularity via the internet.

  2. Microsoft Deserves It by wrightrocket · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Microsoft hadn't already alienated the world by trying to bully them, then I might care.

    1. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      May zombieTaco come back and mod this up to +1,000,000. MS has so thoroughly pissed me off with their offensive behavior that there is no way in hell that I would give a shit how much they are bashed in the media or anywhere else. They deserve it.

    2. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      During the 90's, Microsoft supporters were super-quick to bash, deride, and mock anything that Apple came out with, or anything in the open-source world, while corporate publications poured endless praise on Microsoft itself.

      Now the situation is reversed and Microsoft wants to complain about bad press? Maybe they should sit down, shut up, and watch as what goes around comes around.

      (Alternately, if you don't want bad press, don't ship bad products. If Microsoft wants to stop a flurry of articles about how awesome their competitors are, maybe they should ship products that are clearly, measurably better than their competitors.)

    3. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What's more, that bullying behavior spanned most of its lifetime. Combining that with an generally artless approach to technology, it creates a business that many of us loathe.

    4. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If Microsoft hadn't already alienated the world by trying to bully them, then I might care.

      Nobody cares anymore that we nerds get off on watching Microsoft begin pounded into the bedrock for even minor transgressions. Hating Microsoft is almost part of the definition of a Nerd these days. That article asks the much more interesting question: Why are you willing to let Google get away with monopolistic behavior that Microsoft gets crucified for? They have a 90% share of the search market and nobody is pounding them into the ground over it. Do people really think that Google are bunch of kindhearted philanthropists who only have the best interests of mankind at heart and don't care about profit? Yeah RIGHT! Of course they are... (sarcasm)...

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    5. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by yuhong · · Score: 1

      One of my favorite is against OS/2 in the early 1990s. The JDA was not particularly good, but the alternative MS chose ended up being much worse (look up "Microsoft Munchkins" for one example). What is worse, MS was also attacking DR-DOS, and OS/2 did not depend on DOS.

    6. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's called "burning bridges". If other big co's burn enough bridges, the same fate will await them. Oracle's Java burning will subtract a big a chunk from their Karma, for example, such that another attack on open standards may push their reputation over the cliff and they will join Microsoft.

    7. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Fluffeh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      MS has so thoroughly pissed me off

      I think that is the crux of it right there, but for most people, perhaps not so much the /.'ers but rather mainstream media, they get snitchy with Microsoft because they are associated with "My Computer crashed again, damn Microsoft!". Microsoft does get a big bunch of bad press - or rather stories that they are involved with might get a bit more of a sour take due to their association with problems, lets face it, if a PC crashes right before the sales rep finishes putting that sales presentation together - and then has nothing to show, the sales rep will remember that and blame Microsoft. Google, Facebook and the likes don't have this problem. It might be argued that they offer a better service then, but that would be comparing apples to oranges.

      I am not taking the side of Microsoft here, they piss me off as much as the next guy, but more for the fact that they abused their power greatly, they acted in amazingly un-ethical ways, especially in the early days, their (in my opinion) abuse of their operating system to push out other inferior products (Hello IE, I'm looking at you!). When it comes to the Windows side of it, I have to say that I am both in awe and loathing over the product. It is terribly unstable, though getting better with Win 7, the security is poor compared to *nix - but when you look at just how much hardware they support, and how well it works, any techie will have to say that it is amazing that it works. Slap any old or new hardware together and you can load Windows. It might not be terribly efficient, and bloat up, but it fricken works.

      So, to sum up, I agree with They deserve it but not for the reasons that most people do.

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    8. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      >>>Why are you willing to let Google get away with monopolistic behavior that Microsoft gets crucified for?

      no idea.

      But I definitely don't let them get away. They all suck. Google, Apple, etc might write better software than Microsoft but they still engage in similar behaviors I find objectionable. (And then I get modded down for saying it.)

      BTW I thought this article was interesting - Why Google is not the most-used browser. " Microsoft on Sunday posted an analysis of the web-browser usage-share measurement, noting that StatCounter's metrics are seriously skewed because of pre-rendering and other factors. As a result, Microsoft claims, StatCounter can't be trusted as a reliable source of information." http://www.winsupersite.com/article/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/microsoft-chrome-number-reports-142638

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    9. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by StikyPad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Google didn't spend decades ignoring security, stability, quality, and performance all while strong-arming providers into using their product. They didn't start a "software alliance" that focuses almost exclusively on piracy of MS products and provides incentives for people frame their employers for fun and profit. Apple didn't file lawsuits against open source projects trying to give people viable options.

      While MS is somewhat better behaved these days, and arguably focusing more on delivering a quality product than using questionable methods to achieve and maintain dominance, they still have a long and sordid history that doesn't just magically go away because they decided to start playing a bit nicer. Google has plenty of faults, but those who would compare it to MS in its heyday are either ignorant of the facts, or viewing history through rose colored glasses.

    10. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Informative

      PAGE 2 of the FA

      "Why Microsoft is such a target for bashing"
      Microsoft is bashed so often (unfairly, in my opinion) because of past issues and the perceptions surrounding those issues, including:

      â-Microsoft was embroiled in antitrust matters. That's old news for Microsoft, but it may be novel for Apple, which is coming under government scrutiny, not that you hear much about it.
      â-Microsoft products are criticized for security holes -- that Vista filled in. Thanks to 10 years of its Trustworthy Computing effort, Microsoft is a leader in teaching the Secure Development Life Cycle methodology to other companies.
      â-Microsoft was criticized for not being innovative -- although the Xbox and the Kinect are two of the many areas showing just the opposite.
      â-Microsoft was criticized for being closed and guarded, and for not playing nice with other ecosystems -- despite, in recent years, the amazing amount of open information through MSDN blogs and an open source forum called Codeplex. The fact that Microsoft releases software for other platforms like Mac OS X and iOS should dispel this critique.

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    11. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Microsoft IS closed and guarded! They are PROVING it with Windows Phone! A closed ecosystem, no ability to "jailbreak" or run custom software, no loading ANY software that doesnt go through their own App Store (with their 30% cut, of course!)...and they are promising to bring the app store to Windows 8 now! Locked bootloaders on all ARM tablets (they were trying to get this on ALL Windows hardware, and the Linux community had kittens, so they backed down, reluctantly!). Yes, they have their hands in open source, and yes, the release software for Apple's locked down platforms, but in EVERY respect, they are trying to copy Apple's business model, and TRAMPLING the idea of general purpose computing and user freedom in the process! IMHO they deserve EVERY BIT of hate the internet has on tap!

    12. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by king+neckbeard · · Score: 5, Informative

      Google's dominance in the search market is/was largely based upon technical merit. Also, Google has fairly limited lock-in to end users. You can switch to Bing, Yahoo, DuckDuckGo, etc., very easily if you so choose.

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    13. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Even IE 6 was good when it was released.

      So I see you're not a web developer. The problem with IE was not related to the user interface, or rendering speed, or security. The problem was proprietary extensions, which to some degree were intended to replace the standards. You coded your web page the standards-compliant way, or the microsoft way, or went to awful lengths to support both.

      Oh, and the user interface, rendering speed, and security were abysmal.

    14. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Fluffeh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem was proprietary extensions, which to some degree were intended to replace the standards.

      At the time IE6 was released, yes, all browsers were pretty much "rubbish" when compared to the versions that are out there today. Having said that, I totally agree with the AC here. What Microsoft did was to make, and strongly push, their own products through somewhat insidious means. That horror called Sharepoint for example, ONLY worked with Internet Explorer. As Sharepoint was often sold to businesses who weren't that tech savvy, their users were forced into using IE. Sharepoint STILL does this today. While certain features do work cross browser these days, Sharepoint is still not by any means a web standards supporting CMS.

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    15. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by nschubach · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Kinect was outright bought from another company if I remember correctly (PimeSense?). XBox I might give you but it's just a console running Microsoft Software... I would call it more evolution than innovation

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    16. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by rainmouse · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing there is an iPhone app for posting on /. as Anonymous Coward now....

    17. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Mojo66 · · Score: 1

      Man too bad I haven't kept a mod point for you.

      Criticism of Microsoft might be mainly because of the whole anti-trust issue: forcing PC makers to ship new PCs with Windows exclusively is criminal. Even more so is the fact that they still can do that. Helloooo corporate America!

      But it all started with Microsoft trying to put DRDOS out of business, I guess.

      Then we have _NSAKEYS in Windows, WGA and Media Player phoning home, Windows genuine "advantage" (hahaha) bullying ad nauseum, Ballmer throwing chairs at everyone and their dog, oh and maybe Microsoft copying other's ideas? As Linus noted in his book "Just for fun", a monopolist is increasingly busy administering his monopoly, and not innovating. This works up to the point when a niche grows sufficiently big to host competition. In a few years,Microsoft and Windows will be what the Roman Empire is since 1500 years: history.

    18. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They didn't start a "software alliance" that focuses almost exclusively on piracy of MS products and provides incentives for people frame their employers for fun and profit.

      Neither did Microsoft, the closest thing is the BSA, which MS didn't start and doesn't focus anywhere near exclusively on piracy of MS products, the BSA is supported by Adobe Systems, Apple, Autodesk, Aveva, AVG, Bentley Systems, CA Technologies, CNC Software, Compuware, Corel, Dell, Intel, Intuit, McAfee, Microsoft, Minitab, Progress Software, Parametric Technology, Quark, Quest Software, Rosetta Stone, Siemens PLM, SolidWorks, Sybase, Symantec, TechSmith, MathWorks and many others.

      When you're the most prominent software company on the planet and the association is funded through membership dues based on member company's software revenues then obviously you are going to be their main supporter.

    19. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by celtic_hackr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps it can be explained this way.

      1) MS has been historically a bully and no one likes bullies.
      2) MS is still a bully, but now a bully with a gang of surrogates. Rather than doing the bullying out in the open they send their legions to do it.
      3) MS has been two-faced. "Do as I say, not as I do".
      4) MS is still two-faced.
      5) MS has been a thief, stealing other people's code. There are many lawsuits proving this. Stacker compression being just one case.
      6) MS has been petty to companies and yes the members of the press.
      7) Members of the press have long memories.
      8) This is getting to be a long list. you get the picture, I hope.
      9) There are lots of features in MS products that are there, because exactly one person asked for it. Making programs bulky, and error prone.
      10) MS products are millions of lines of code maintained with patch after patch over decades and reused, based on a design that lacked vision (which is admittedly a difficult thing to have, Steve Jobs was one of those few visionaries).

      The lesson we learn here is if you do evil, lack vision, are too greedy, and don't play nice with others, people won't like you. Hence MS is only reaping the rewards of decades of arduous planting of seeds they have sown. Or you reap what you sow.

    20. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by exomondo · · Score: 2

      The innovative part of kinect is the software, if you've tried the SDKs you'll find the one from microsoft is significantly better for gaming-related tasks than the OpenNI one, such as occluded joint estimation, head/hands/feet rotation, need for calibration, etc...

    21. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by exomondo · · Score: 1

      No, you're wrong, 100% wrong, the ARM tablets have to have the ability to support the UEFI standard feature called SecureBoot

      On a technicality they only have to support that if they want to have the 'designed for windows 8' logo sticker on them...but yes there is nothing to say it can't be turned off just like any other BIOS/EFI feature.

    22. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The lesson we learn here is if you do evil

      like making enormous profits thanks to poor working conditions
      like conspiring with publishers to hurt consumers
      like blaming consumers for your poorly designed and engineered product

      lack vision

      like rehashing your flagship product by making it just a bit faster and buying and bundling an existing app

      are too greedy

      like hoarding 10's of billions of dollars.

      don't play nice with others

      like preventing companies from competing with you on your platform, be that ios, airplay, app-purchasing, ...

      people won't like you.

      Then why do people like apple?

    23. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by mystikkman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Android was bought, so was multitouch technology in the iPhone and Siri and lots of other things. But you pick on MS, which is really proving the point of the article.

    24. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Bonobo_Unknown · · Score: 1

      Just curious, what did Oracle do to Java? Been out of the Java loop for a while now...

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    25. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      While Google has a 90% share in the search market I don't really think they have a monopoly. They haven't locked people into their product and if it became inferior the market share would sink like a rock. Microsoft on the hand made sure that switching away from Windows, and Word was next to impossible, much to the detriment of the Industry as a whole in my opinion. You can see how they abandoned IE and still retained huge market share for years despite having an inferior browser. Apple does have a bit of lock in with iTunes and the App Store, but the fact is the are unambiguously making the best MP3 player and the best tablet, unlike Microsoft where many people though Windows was not the best OS and didn't deserve it's market share, people feel the it is right for Apple to have the market share it does.

    26. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by sjames · · Score: 1

      IE 6 was horrific from day 1. It's not just the many quirks with the way it interpreted HTML, it's the way it was deliberately incompatible and how all MS development tools that touched on the web at all were designed to lead you down the garden path to IE6 lock-in. The lock in was so 'well' engineered that even now that MS itself is practically begging it's corporate customers to leave IE6 behind, they CAN'T. The incompatibilities were so severe that even MS can't match IE6 bug for bug in a later version. It's actually a significant reason so many are hanging on to XP well past it's expiration date.

      IE 6 was 'good' in exactly the way those cherry flavored fentenyl pops that man is selling across from the elementary school are 'good'.

      Netscape 3/4 was a steaming pile, but so was IE in the same timeframe (for a while there, IE would even crash when it loaded www.microsoft.com!).

      Bundling isn't quite the word for IE on Windows in the day. More like welded on with hidden fragmentation grenades as an anti-tampering measure.

    27. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by bane2571 · · Score: 1

      Wait, this is satire right? You just described Apple pretty perfectly.

    28. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by sjames · · Score: 1

      If you rack up enough criminal convictions, it tends to be a while before people are willing to let you into their house unattended.

      If you spend a decade or two claiming your crimes were all 'accidents', it will be a very long time before people will believe your accidents are truly accidents.

    29. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 2

      In the 90s, MS didn't care about open source because it was a different market segment. You used Unix or (more rarely) BSD or Linux where you needed mainframes or Internet services (both of which were themselves rare during the 90s). In the 90s MS was focused on the goal of getting a desktop computer in every home and on every desk. They cared about ubiquitous computing for everybody (because they wanted to sell software to them), which is not at all what the open source community cared about (which cared about good software for computer experts and professionals that you could fix or improve on your own). Both MS and the open source community succeeded in their respective goals in the 90s, it should be noted.

      And it derided Apple because in the 90s Apple was shit. It only existed in art and publishing houses (thanks to Adobe) and schools (thanks to good marketing in the 80s and vendor lock-in). Why do you think the Internet Explorer/Office for Mac deal happened in 1997? Because Apple was shit.

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    30. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by sjames · · Score: 2

      The answer to that question is that unlike MS, Google has never been caught using dirty tricks to kill a competing search engine or to leverage their dominance in search to lock out competition in other products. They don't (for example) make it impossible to use Hotmail if you use Google for searching.

      If they did anything like that, they *WOULD* become the IT presses favorite pinata.

    31. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by RazorSharp · · Score: 1

      They have a 90% share of the search market

      No they don't.

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    32. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Shadowmist · · Score: 1

      They didn't start a "software alliance" that focuses almost exclusively on piracy of MS products and provides incentives for people frame their employers for fun and profit. Apple didn't file lawsuits against open source projects trying to give people viable options.

      Are you seriously implying that Google wouldn't be doing the same things if their main product was boxed software? LOL, you probably are. It's amazing how much doublethink fanboys can hold in their heads when they really work at it.

      It doesn't matter whether Google would have done the same as Microsoft if they were in the latter's shoes. Microsoft was in those shoes and they DID.

    33. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Lol MS will never hear the end of IE 6.

      Keep in mind in 1999 when Slashdot was knew I heard the same arguments about Windows MFC, win32, and MS C++ not really a real C++ language. Developers HATED WINDOWS with a passion equal to IE 6.

      Now that has changed and it took almost 10 years.

      When technology is new bad implementations exist. Compilers were terrible in the 1980s. Office suites sucked too int aht time frame. Browsers sucked royally in the 1990s. They were new and experimental and are now maturing.

      For the IE 6 haters keep in mind MS did what Chrome is doing today. Inventing and implementing new cutting edge technology standards submited to the W3C. The box model in CSS was invented in IE 5.5 and 6! MS was first and the W3c implemented different. Same with pixel layouts where we get the double margin bug. You can't cite MS for that?

      MS then learned their lesson with IE 7 and 8 by not implementing standards that are not finalized. Then slashdot said "Waaa IE is sooo far behind look they do not implement the box model nor any recent standards ... etc" You can't have it both ways? If the W3c decides to implement CSS 3 or HTML 5 different than the webmasers reading this better have seperate CSS for older verisons of FF and Chrome and its IE 6 all over again. Many Javascript stuff already works differently in Chrome and Google is hoping if FF imitates it that W3C will accept it as a standard. Hence, why corporate developers prefer the stability of IE.

      MS is always hated here. I used to be an MS hater too in my youth. They have got better and no longer are the scary threat they once were. It seems arstechnica is more balanced for both sides, and if you are a MS fanboi there is always the 1990s classic zdnet. Though annoying Linux trolls are there just to mess with the Windows supports :-)

      IE 6 was great in 2001. Just became obsolete fast as the web was evolving fast as today and then by 2004 IE had problems. Then it stalled and became total shit as FF started to implement standards after Mozilla purged Netscape code. Safari was the first to pass the acid2 test I may add as well.

      IE 10 is certainly competitive but like Windows 1.0 - Windows 2000 it has bad baggage and terrible development with hacks. It will be well hated until more developers switch to HTML 5 which is like the webs .NET that saved Win32 development.

    34. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      IE 6 was the standard.

      The box model IE 6 used was the one submitted to W3C. W3C changed it to add another layer of padding that broke it with other browsers developed after 2001. MS got an unfair bad wrap with that.

      MS never again ... until IE 9 ... supported anything now finalized by the W3C as a result.

      Seriously Netscape was unusable in CSS unless you did very simple things. Many sites used tables because CSS would only somewhat work in IE 5.5 and IE 6. Webmasters welcomed it in arms in 2001.

      It just became very old. These cutting edge technologies are now quite dated and work differently after being implemented.

    35. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Of course Apple sucked and was used for dumb people.

      If you go to common non nerd websites you still see that attitude today with people in their 30s and 40s who were told to look down on the mac back in the 1980s. Generation Y was in diapers or not born yet.

      Apple was presumed dead anyway. NT was the future and was cool unlike the lame Windows 9.x operating systems in the 1990s.

      Keep in mind IT needs someone to set the standards. Who would that be? A dying company or the winner? So MS decided for them what to buy and how to use their products. This was how people thought and still think today as the cost savings of an integrated platform is still there.

      Maybe Ipads and phones are changing this with the web? Consumers used to want MS to tell them what products to buy and set standards too. Today they have all grown up. It is only in corporate America where this thought it still there.

    36. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Mitreya · · Score: 1

      "My Computer crashed again, damn Microsoft!"

      There is a good reason for that. And if it didn't crash then it exercised a weekly (forced) reboot due to some updates
      I just had that discussion with someone scared of using MS-based server software. He said -- I just looked at server uptime. Linux? 436 days. Windows? Since last Thursday.

    37. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      No the bugs in MS will not finalized in W3C. The box model was invented by MS and the W3C implemented differently.

      The pixel differences? Well is it stored as a double or float? That was not finalized either in 2001.

      The lockin was not enginered at all. Its just old and new. Netscape was so bad no web developer would dare use CSS unless it is for backgrounds or fonts or something very simple. Netscape was too flakey and IE did wonders.

      Go read slashdots hall of fame why do you still use Windows? Many readers who bash IE today say they use Windows becaue IE 6 is such a great browser! lol

      When IE 7 came out slashdot then bashed it for not supporting more standards. After IE 6 MS decided to wait until all standards were finalized first.

      Today Chrome is making the same mistakes at a record pace and so is Firefox! If W3C decides to have a different implemention for CSS 3 animations you will see a lot of pissed off webmasters and broken pages in all but IE. Corporate America is sticking with IE 9 for the reason its only updated once a year to avoid that mess.

      IE 6 is still a POS and a security nightmare. I am not defending it and IE 6 needed to die many many years ago. But it was a new technology and I hated the fact Netscape screwed up as I hated MS but started using IE 6 more and more until 2005 when Firefox started maturing. MS should not have been shit on because all the things that are old and non standard were experimental and bleeding edge back when mindspring.net and sites that resembled CraigsList with 1 pic dominated teh static web 1.0. The business users who keep forcing people to use it should be shit upon.

      I like Chrome, IE 9, FF 11, and Windows 7 in 2012. I would shoot myself if I were still using it in 2022. My God would my PC suck then with the same software. Same concept.

    38. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

      Hardware was always better supported on *n*x.

      I totally disagree. Yes, a few raid controllers work well, like Adaptec Cards, which have for a long time been quite active in making sure that their cards run nicely (which is one of the reasons the last few I have used at home have been such - I take my home media center VERY seriously), but overall, hardware support is much better on Windows.

      Actually, this is an excellent example. The card I recently upgraded to is a 6805 which gives me a lovely Raid5 and I have 7 3TB drives running in it. Now, I popped the card in, flicked on the PC and followed the quick setup instructions to get into the controller card just after the bios ticked over. It let me add the drives into the raid and set it up correctly. I then loaded up into my desktop, fumbled around for a while to get the additional StorMan software installed (so that I could actually do anything useful with the new Raid). While Adaptec said the offer Ubuntu support (oh, Natty (11.04 is around a year old now) is still their newest supported version), it takes some serious mucking around to get it to run. Their version of "support" means offering a .rpm file, which well isn't something that you can just install. So, I flipped into a terminal to convert it with Alien. Unsurprisingly, there were packages missing, so that needed fixing. After some kung fu, I finally got it running. Now, to do anything useful in this software, you need to log in as root. Of course Ubuntu has root disabled by default (The lovely "Pretend Root" doesn't cut the mustard), so flip back into terminal, enable root account, use the Storman software to set everything up as needed, then disable the root account in terminal again.

      Now, it works, and I do like Linux for a number of reasons, but I must say that for the average joe, doing all of that would have likely resulted in a trip back to the store to return the product. I am not going to start on stories about graphics cards, flash performance, printers or all the other hardware gripes that we have.

      I prefer to use this simple description of hardware support in *nix Vs Windows: I can do it in *nix, but I can guide my parents over the phone to do it in Windows. I love Linux, but I have to admit that in terms of "Plug and Play" windows does it better to a "non admin user" which is what I would consider most of the world.

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    39. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

      I just had that discussion with someone scared of using MS-based server software. He said -- I just looked at server uptime. Linux? 436 days. Windows? Since last Thursday.

      Okay, so now, go to your parents and ask them "What product does Microsoft make?" and follow it up by asking "Now, what product does Canonical make?". Every time that Windows crashes, it is associated with Microsoft. Every time that Ubuntu crashes it is associated with "that other, who was it... Oh, there, it's back up again now..."

      All those crashes are attributed to the Microsoft brand name and more non-technical people use it, so it sticks.

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    40. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      Shit one of my old Core2 desktops I retired just over a year ago still had an option for OS/2 Palete snopping and some Eisa settings. Keep in mind this was a 100% PCI board with just that and AGP 8x?

      XP as much as we hate it (some may love it) is not going away and the secure boot feature will be there to turn off for a very very long time for these reasons.

      I look forward to EFI and secureBoot. We can finally kill the 30 year old BIOS and get a less buggy system that can work in Linux and resume and hibernate better. I just wish there was a way to get other operating sytems like Linux to support it? Once the keys are let loose it becomes useless anyway. Perhaps a network way to get a PKI key?

      Rootkits are a HUGE problem and with secureboot I will finally not have to wipe my whole system in case I get an infection. :-)

    41. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Maestro4k · · Score: 2

      The article gives Kinect as an example of Microsoft's innovation. If it was bought, then it's not innovative from within MS. It may be innovative for the company they bought, but not for MS themselves. The same would (and does) go for Android, the iPhone, etc. (And the person you replied to didn't suggest otherwise, or even mention those products, that was your own suggestion.) Pointing this out is not "pick[ing] on MS", it's simply pointing out a problem with the facts of the article.

      On the other hand, holding Kinect out as an example of "innovation" shows a pro-MS bias because the Kinect wasn't actually invented internally at the company. MS may, or may not, be unfairly bashed. They may, or may not, be innovative. But this article's got issues and I don't think it proves anything other than the author's very pro-MS. The article should be taken with one very large grain of salt, as it's probably just shilling for ad views.

    42. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Their paying customers -- people in need of advertising -- are locked into their product by virtue of their dominant marketshare.

    43. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      Not really against java, more against Android/Dalvik.

    44. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Eskarel · · Score: 1

      They bought it when they bought Sun, and then they sued Google for creating an incompatible version of Java (Davlik) and violating the terms under which they provided the Java patents free of charge. Pretty much exactly the same way that Sun sued Microsoft over J++, and entirely within Oracle's interests. There's plenty of argument over whether those patents should exist or apply in this case but I've never seen a claim by Google that they didn't do the above.

      However, Google makes a phone and an OS(which no one uses) and so Microsoft must be behind it instead of perfectly rational Oracle self interest.

    45. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by iserlohn · · Score: 1

      "I can guide my parents over the phone to do it in Windows"

      Your doctor can guide you to perform minor surgery over the phone as well, whether you want to do that - that's another matter...

    46. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by sjames · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what parallel reality you came from or how you ended up here, but that's not the history of this timeline. And you left out the significant POS known as Active Wrecks.

      For the most part, webv design has consisted of doing things twice. Once for IE and once for every single browser in the world except for IE. Amazing how all the others managed to come to a close enough agreement.

    47. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by starfishsystems · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why are you willing to let Google get away with monopolistic behavior that Microsoft gets crucified for?

      Google has market share because it provides services that people want to use. It's not above criticism, and it bears watching if only because it's got fingers in so many pies. But so far, I haven't seen compelling evidence that Google is evil. And neither have the courts.

      Microsoft has market share because it historically used every means, fair and foul, to lock customers into its products, intimidate vendors into incorporating its products, and crush, absorb, or threaten competitors to its products. Not only did Microsoft make crappy software, it did so strategically. Microsoft still threatens Linux with unspecified patent violations. Oh yeah, and stacking the ISO standards committee so it could get its bloated and patent-encumbered XML standard ratified. Microsoft is a convicted monopolist in both the US and the EU.

      What was your point again?

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    48. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Eirenarch · · Score: 1

      Link or didn't happen. What's the feature in Sharepoint 2010 SP1 that does not work on Firefox?

    49. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Fluffeh · · Score: 2

      Anything ActiveX for a start, but seriously, run a quick google, you might learn something.

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    50. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by gtall · · Score: 1

      Taxing Android does not imply they are focusing more on delivering a quality product. To me, they are still up to the same old tricks Gates burned into their DNA. The ODF scandal was only a few years ago.

    51. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      There are a TON of popular websites in existence that run on sharepoint. They seem to work fine in other browsers.

    52. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by lwriemen · · Score: 1

      There was a time when MS won on technical merits,

      When?

    53. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by sootman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's a link for you. Is "microsoft.com" a good enough source? http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc263526.aspx

      "Microsoft SharePoint Server 2010 supports several commonly used Web browsers. This article describes different levels of Web browser support [emphasis mine], browser compatibility for published sites, and how ActiveX controls affect features... SharePoint Server 2010 supports several commonly used Web browsers. However, certain Web browsers might cause some SharePoint Server 2010 functionality to be downgraded, limited, or available only through alternative steps."

      There's more to the world than just IE and Firefox on Windows. I work in a large publishing company (1,000s of employees) and we're close to 50% Mac overall. (And it's about 90% in design, production, etc.--you know, the departments that actually make what the company sells.) There is a LOT of key stuff in SP that doesn't work, or doesn't work well, on a Mac.

      And in other news, here's how MS thinks Wiki software (and HTML in general) should work.
      http://imgur.com/IaHTb
      1) The whole point of Wikis is that you can edit them WITHOUT knowing HTML -- just use *, #, etc.
      2) <strong> and <b> tags?!?!? <font> tags in 2012? Makes me want to shoot myself in the back of the head... twice.

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    54. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 1

      And screwing at every chance their business partners like IBM, Apple, Novell, Spyglass, Sega or Sun.

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    55. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by sootman · · Score: 1

      > At the time IE6 was released, yes, all browsers were pretty much
      > "rubbish" when compared to the versions that are out there today

      The funny thing is, MSIE 5 on Mac was, in many ways, a better browser than MSIE 6 on Windows. (The Mac and Windows versions of IE were totally different products, sharing little more than a name.) It was the first browser with really great CSS support. Things like the Complex Spiral demo and CSS Zen Garden worked in IE5/Mac before they worked anywhere else. IE 6 was pretty good but it also had a LOT of IE-only features and it was really popular, so lots of big, expensive corporate products to this day are still IE-only.

      If you haven't seen an IE-only site recently, you probably don't have a mediocre corporate-y job with a large company.

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    56. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by sootman · · Score: 1

      Wrong. He wasn't picking on MS, he was refuting a particular point that someone else raised. If someone says 10 things about MS, and one of them isn't true, it isn't "picking on them" to point that out. And since the parent wasn't talking about Apple or Android, there was no reason to mention them. We're not talking (in that particular comment) about what Apple or Google did or didn't do, we're talking about what MS did.

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    57. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by mitchy · · Score: 1

      Here is where I have been watching Google morph into the 90s era Microsoft by behavior. Google plus, anyone?

      Google got where they are today based on one and only one thing: Advertising revenue. Because everyone used their search (monopoly) they could build the most profitable advertising network the human race has ever seen. They don't make a dime on anything else, at least from a total revenues perspective. I'll bet they still don't make more than 10% of their total revenue outside advertising, but I have no facts to back that up.

      You could say that they did with search what Microsoft did with Windows - leverage their monopolistic dominance to dominate another product/service segment for massive profit. They then use that dominance to reciprocate to their initial offering, making a self-propelled machine.

      Microsoft had Windows, and used that to dominate the desktop with Office. Unsurprisingly, later on they leveraged their dominance with Office to reinforce their Windows operating system. Internet Explorer was just another tool to force dominance in their chosen market segments.

      Google has done the exact same with search, sometimes for profit (ads) and sometimes just to own a market (gmail) and use that to continue to reinforce their dominance over search. I mean, yeah you can use other search engines, but what ads are you buying for your new product launch or website? In the end it all rolls back to Google.

      Microsoft's Internet Explorer and Google's Google+ are the same in this regard: They were both created and given away for free to kill off competition and take over a market segment, with the sole intent of using that dominance to channel more profits on their original offering (Windows and advertising, respectively).

      Back to Microsoft, and why they are still being bashed... They spent more than FIFTEEN YEARS blatantly disregarding public opinion, ethical standards, you name it. They are the corporate reference for the term collateral damage as they destroyed hundreds of companies yearly without even knowing it most likely. You can't cause that kind of anger and pain to such a large percentage of people without expecting to pay for it for years to come. Fer cryin' out loud, even IBM is given a pass more nowadays - that's got to mean something now don't it?

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    58. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by SirTicksAlot · · Score: 1

      You had me. You really did - until you mentioned, "but when you look at just how much hardware they support, and how well it works, ". While I agree that most, if not all hardware is designed to work and has drivers for windows, it is not Microsoft that is doing the 'supporting'. How much of that hardware would automatically install, activate, and provide every feature designed if it weren't for the drivers from the OEM. Why do you think all those printers, mice, cameras, biometrics, etc... come with a CD? The OEMs decide what to support, and they typically choose the most widely used. It used to be that everything came with a "designed for Windows" logo, even though they provided their own drivers and supporting software. You now see Mac logos included as well and rarely you see all three MS, Mac, and Linux.

    59. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Eskarel · · Score: 1

      The TCK has never been licensed for mobile, only ever for desktop and server. Not a great move on anyone's part, but it goes back to Sun, was continued by Oracle and has nothing to do with Microsoft.

      The Java APIs are free to use so long as your implementation conforms to the TCK which as previously mentioned is not licensed for mobile platforms. Essentially by the terms of Sun's and now Oracle's licensing, there is no legal way to create a mobile version of Java. This is stupid and not in anyone's best interests, but the time to resolve that was before Davlik got created not after. As I've said before, an Oracle loss in this case spells the end of Java, and a loss for Google spells the end for android. There are serious consequences for both sides, and Sun should never have let it get this far, and nor should Google have been stupid enough to assume that Sun wouldn't have the money to sue them.

      All that aside, Oracle is not acting on behalf of Microsoft, they're acting on behalf of Oracle, partially for sound economic reasons and probably not just a little bit because of spite and wounded pride. Microsoft is a threat to Oracle in every space they operate in, far far more than Google is Oracle is not going to do their bidding.

    60. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Go read the other comments here. A few say the same thing.

      Its hard to imagine because we live in 2012 today. People forget that Netscape truly sucked and IE 6 was cutting edge. The standards and the rush to include the most before they were standardized created a buggy environment. CSS 2.1 really did not exist. CSS-P for layouts made it to CSS 2.1 but IE 6 did not support most of it or did it differently because sites looked like craigslist. Yahoo too had maybe 2 pics and lots of ugly blue underlined links if you google image search for what Yahoo used to look like 12 years ago.

      IE 6 just can't handle the demands today without serious hacks as the old standards were very cutting edge and MS guestimated how they would be finalized on. To me its like saying Windows 7 sucks because I remember all the memory leaks in Windows 3.1 using MFCs and ignoring .NET.

      ActiveX? Yeah that was a terrible move and I disabled activeX controls when I ran IE 6 9 years ago except for shockwave. I am not defending IE as a good browser again so no need to get personal.

      Just that MS did what the industry was failing to do 12 years ago. Today IE 9 is out and its silly to keep using IE 6 while the bean counters refuse to upgrade. Browsers matured much like other technologies and are incredibly better which is forcing MS to quickly update IE now to catch up. Chrome scares me as it is making the same mistakes as IE. But Chrome is cool now just like IE was so it is on topic to bash the hypocracy.

    61. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by sjames · · Score: 1

      I was right here in the industry when IE6 came out, and NOBODY but MS and their dupes considered IE6 cutting edge at anything but an attempt to hijack the standards process. Complaints about it and the way it seemed to compute to a high degree of precision exactly what the web designer wanted it to do so it could do the opposite were everywhere. I don't HAVE to imagine it because I can REMEMBER it.

      The few today that are sticking with IE6 aren't doing it out of some simple minded refusal to upgrade. They're doing it because they drank the MS cool aid back in the day and so their internal web apps work in IE6 ONLY. It was possible back then to create a web app that worked on any browser, and apps that were created that way still work just fine on any browser today. It was even easier to create a web app that worked on any browser but IE6 and those also still work today. However, the MS tools for creating web apps made every effort to sneak in IE6 only crap, and apps built with those tools are still stuck.

    62. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      Actually, no. The big selling point for Google in the early days was their interface. Or even more precisely, their lack of evil.

      Yahoo and friends had this insanely busy front page designed to be confusing so you'd see all kinds of ads while looking around for the place to type your query and send it. Then when the query was served, the first few hits were likely to be paid hits that were not distinguished in any way whatsoever from the legitimate search hits. This is what their advertisers wanted, so this is what they got. Did you the user want something different? Well, you weren't paying their bills, so they didn't give a crap.

      Google then came out with this incredibly simple front page with a single text box and a button, and links to do more advanced things still there but smaller and arranged to the point where they don't call attention to themselves unless you hunt for them. Then when you did the search the ads (when they existed) were all segregated off to the right where you could easily ignore them if you wanted. From a user's perspective, this was no contest. All the other user-unfriendly search engines became irrelevant overnight.

      Yes, I remember some nerd-talk about their "innovative page-rank system". Frankly nobody really cared that much.

    63. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by sloth+jr · · Score: 1

      I recall it was always quality of search results returned in the early days that made Google really shine. The light interface and innocuous ads did stroke the "do no evil" meme and seemed pretty responsive as well. Their search engine worked so much better than AltaVista that there wasn't much contest (and Yahoo's browse-your-category mechanism was horrendous). This is my perspective as a geek, though; I couldn't tell you what others thought.

      Now it's all just a horrible mess, and search results are once against mostly crap, I contend through detestable SEO efforts.

    64. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by Eskarel · · Score: 1

      I know you didn't claim the Oracle Microsoft thing, but the thread I was responding to did.

      I'm aware of the copyright, I'm not sure that's going to wash. The fundamental issue in this case is that it never should have happened. Sun screwed up royally and Google had a fit of hubris and thought they'd test the agreement, now both sides are fairly desperate, Google seem to have found a sympathetic judge which has Oracle somewhat grasping at straws.

      The net as a whole isn't going to win no matter who wins this lawsuit, but they weren't going to win if it hadn't been filed either.

    65. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by exomondo · · Score: 1

      The software was written by Rare in the UK.

      Which was/is owned by Microsoft and thus is just the part of Microsoft that was tasked with development of the Kinect SDK.

      Rare was purchased by MS.

      In 2002, long before even the idea of Kinect existed, in fact it was only just after the release of the original XBox. Rare had been a part of MS long before they were tasked with developing the Kinect software.

    66. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      I would say that not having shitty results was the main issue, but not being a portal clusterfuck could be considered a technical merit as well. It meant their search service was better than other search services, as opposed to Microsoft being popular initially because IBM was behind them, and because after that, they leveraged their power to keep competition at bay.

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    67. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

      That article is talking primarily about Office document compatibility, and the ability to view and edit Office documents directly in sharepoint. None of which is supportable in HTML directly and requires a native plug-in to work.

      This is functionality that simply would not exist otherwise, not that MS was corrupting another standard by promoting their proprietary version instead.

      That's like complaining that a browser that didn't support flash couldn't view videos (pre-HTML5). Without flash (or silverlight or similar tecnology) it simply wasn't possible otherwise.

      The stuff that doesn't work on a mac is stuff that can't be made to work without a native plug-in. Without the native plug-in, you wouldn't have the feature at all.

    68. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

      You are conflating cause and effect. IE6 was released in 2001. IE6 was the most standards conformant browser at that time. Mozilla had been in development for years and was still more than a year from a 1.0 release.

      There was no Chrome, no Safari, no Firefox... Just Netscape and a TRULY HORRENDOUS, buggy, and unusable Mozilla beta. Sure, there was Opera, but nobody used it as it was expensive and not particularly compatible with actual sites on the web (this was also a problem early Mozilla versions had as well).

      The problem, was that MS did not improve IE's standards conformance for another 6 years, and in that time more standards were released or clarified (CSS2 was clarified quite a bit after IE6's release, and thus things that had been unclear were now spelled out, which meant IE6 ws often in violation of a standard that was clarified after it was released)

      If MS had improved IE, this would never have been a problem, and most people would have moved off of IE6 rather quickly. But since MS tied browser revs to OS revs, there was no new browser until Vista was released 6 years later.

    69. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

      If you were around in 2001, then your memory is very faulty. IE6 was lauded by the industry as being the most standards compliant browser. If you don't remember that, your memory is faulty.

      More than likely, your memory is colored by your experience for the last 11 years, and that experience has clouded your memory of what things were like in 2001, and just how bad IE's competition really was.

      Don't blame IE for being bad in 2001. Blame IE for being bad in 2006.

    70. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

      None of those images are clickable. I'm not sure what you're talking about, they're just img tags.

      Or were you refering to the last bit that is a video? If so, then you are being highly disingenuous. You don't need a plugin to view any of the images, as you stated categorically. You're being dishonest.

      The video link could certainly be done in a way to be more compatible, but it's pretty easy to look at the url and figure out how to view the video without the plugin.

    71. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by sjames · · Score: 1

      I remember IE6 got breathless reviews from the members of the press that drank the cool aid. Less so from the rest of the industry. If you didn't see the skepticism where you were, you might have just been surrounded by Microsofties.

      I also remember from day 1 warning people about the cool aid and how it was a lock-in play. Guess what happened?

    72. Re:Microsoft Deserves It by sootman · · Score: 1

      I am, right this second, looking at a page on my company's SP site with Safari on a Mac. It's a basic spreadsheet-like page. I click "Actions" -> "Export to Spreadsheet" and I'm told "To export a list, you must have a Windows SharePoint Services-compatible application." So, I save the page as HTML, open it in an editor, strip out everything but the main <table>, clean up the code just a bit (remove IMG tags, etc.) and drag it onto the Excel icon in my dock and guess what? IT OPENS.

      Fun fact #1: You know how a basic HTML table looks pretty much like a spreadsheet? Excel can open HTML files that contain tables. It's actually quite good and supports a lot of formatting: bold, ital, centering, rowspan & colspan, fonts, text sizes, etc. Even background colors in TDs.

      Fun fact #2: It is TRIVIAL to make a PHP/MySQL site "export" to Excel. Just make sure it's nothing but a table and add ONE LINE to the top of your page:

      header("Content-Type: application/vnd.ms-excel");

      And yet MS won't let me export this page unless I'm running Windows. See? There it is: basic, simple, core functionality that doesn't work on a Mac, for no good reason. FUCK SHAREPOINT.

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  3. Witness the power of competent PR! by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What you're describing is the difference between a giant, scary company with a good PR department, and one that has no idea how to sell their brand. I think it's that simple.

    1. Re:Witness the power of competent PR! by svick · · Score: 1, Funny

      Are you really implying that Microsoft makes "a product that people want and can use"? Are you sure you're at the right place?

    2. Re:Witness the power of competent PR! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And I remember that people used to say Microsoft was only big because they had good marketing.

      It's almost as if it's more than just PR, for long-term success you actually need to make a product that people want and can use.

      It's almost as if people have forgotten about Microsoft's antitrust conviction now that we're ten years out from the end of the trial.

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  4. Ignorance by janimal · · Score: 1

    The predominant bias is to avoid details, backround information or anything that could consitute basis for an informed opinion based on presented "facts". While local media and stations may be biased toward one manufacturer or another, they are all biased against providing news in context.

  5. Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are we really entertaining the topic of Facebook getting a free pass on PR? They get slammed every time a privacy issue comes up;

    Likewise Apple gets hammered every time there's an iphone glitch or IOS issue effecting battery life.

    Google? You mean the near universal punching bag for reasons why "do no evil" cannot be their motto?

    1. Re:Seriously? by sd4f · · Score: 1

      What astounds me, is my android phone has a battery bug, since august last year, and noone cares, i'm not getting any updates. At least all the noise apple gets compels them to resolve the problem.

    2. Re:Seriously? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      What astounds me, is my android phone has a battery bug, since august last year, and noone cares, i'm not getting any updates. At least all the noise apple gets compels them to resolve the problem.

      I suppose that depends on what sort of phone it is and how widely reported the bug is. The iphone is the most common smartphone in the world so naturally if there is a problem with the design it affects a hell of a lot of people.

    3. Re:Seriously? by sd4f · · Score: 1

      I've got a SGS1 i9000, my carrier only goes up to 2.3.3, so there's no more updates without manually updating in a warranty breaking sort of way. The bug is where the SoC won't go into idle state, so the phone can be in your pocket, while the SoC is more or less active, and the battery will go from full to flat in about 5-6 hours like that. The only way you can tell it's happening is the battery goes flat quicker than normal. I think i'll just go and whinge under warranty, because it's really unreliable, some apps will trigger it almost everytime.

  6. Are you kidding me? by dell623 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft has been left relatively alone while Google and Facebook and Apple have faced the most severe scrutiny of late. Also the fact that conversation about the patent wars is dominated by Florian Mueller and people quoting Florian Mueller has meant Microsoft has got off very lightly, even in its extremely dubious attempts to collect royalty for Android based on software patents, and attemps at bullying smaller companies like BArnes and Noble: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2011111122291296

    Or the fact that despite anti trust rulings, we still get Windows bundled with all non Apple laptops with no option to avoid paying for it, and IE is still bundled?

    No, they still get off too lightly.

    1. Re:Are you kidding me? by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      No, they still get off too lightly.

      I agree. Why did not one of the Lumia 900 reviewers have problems with data connections? Why did so few reviews mention the terrible Browsermark and SunSpider benchmarks? No, they told us that, despite its single-core processor, the Lumia is smooth and fast. Normal use apparently doesn't include using the browser.

      The reviewers told us how the chassis of the Lumia 900 is wonderful to behold, despite the ugly protruding screen.

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    2. Re:Are you kidding me? by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding me? You honestly think MS should still have to remove IE? That would make Windows the only operating system that doesn't bundle a browser of some kind. My kindle (not fire) even has a browser. There is no reason a modern OS shouldn't have a browser bundled.

      It should have a browser, just not necessarily IE, as in Europe where you get the option of using one of a variety of browsers.

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    3. Re:Are you kidding me? by psiclops · · Score: 1

      It should have a browser, just not necessarily IE, as in Europe where you get the option of using one of a variety of browsers.

      or like in anywhere else in the world where you get the option of using one of a variety of browsers.
      I live in australia and actually happen to use chrome, firefox and ie on my win 7 pc.
      I'm also typing this comment in firefox om my work pc which uses win xp.

      Had windows not come bundled with ie it would have a been a pain in the ass for me to download these other browsers.

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    4. Re:Are you kidding me? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Or the fact that despite anti trust rulings, we still get Windows bundled with all non Apple laptops with no option to avoid paying for it, and IE is still bundled?

      Because aside from the EU ruling - where IE is no longer bundled - there was no anti-trust ruling regarding IE, seems a pretty obvious reason doesn't it? I'm pretty sure you'll find lots of non-Windows laptops and even many people have gotten a refund for the license cost.
      In any case you can at least remove IE if you don't want it, but you've got Apple bundling Safari with OSX and if you try to remove that you get - oddly enough - a message telling you pretty much what MS said about IE, that this application contains components required by the operating system and cannot be removed.

      Realistically i expect an operating system to ship with a browser, just like Android ships with the Android browser, ChromeOS has Chrome deeply integrated, OSX and iOS ship with Safari, Ubuntu comes with Firefox...in some of these cases that browser cannot be removed, why would you expect Windows to ship without a browser?

  7. Did Fox News write this? by gatfirls · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This reads just like one of their whiny op-eds about the liberal media only focusing on republicans (and of course they're all lies or exaggerations).

    1. Re:Did Fox News write this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Did Fox News write this?

      J. Peter Bruzzese did. He's simply a

      Microsoft MVP, Triple-MCSE, MCT, MCITP: Messaging. J.P.B. is the Enterprise Windows columnist for InfoWorld and an avid Windows and Exchange advocate.

      Why wouldn't he be fair and balanced?

    2. Re:Did Fox News write this? by nschubach · · Score: 1

      It's amazing what lengths someone will go to in order to protect their livelihood... Actually, it's no tall that amazing. It's fairly predictable.

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    3. Re:Did Fox News write this? by lwriemen · · Score: 1

      No. Microsoft probably did. ;-)

  8. Cry Me A River by fwarren · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is the circle of life.

    Once upon a time, it was IBM who had every misstep reported as evil and Microsoft was the could-do-no-wrong company,.

    Twenty years from now, No one will talk about Microsoft at all, though they will still be in business. Everyone will jump on the evil that Google does, and no matter what they do, OCP (or the current new kid on the block) will do no wrong.

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    1. Re:Cry Me A River by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      >>>Microsoft was the could-do-no-wrong company

      I don't remember that.
      I've thought PCs and their MS-OS have sucked for as long as I remember. There was Commodore, Atari, Apple..... and then that boring beast called the IBM/Microsoft PC that everyone associated with work (slow, no music, almost no color, and definitely not cutting-edge).

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    2. Re:Cry Me A River by tbannist · · Score: 1

      He's talking about media coverage, not the personal opinions of people who know things. Back in the early 90s Microsoft got almost entirely positive press. Of course, I've heard that was partly because they blackballed anyone who dared criticize them. It wasn't until the anti-trust lawsuit and Windows ME that I started to see any significant negative press about Microsoft.

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  9. I Concur by deweyhewson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have my issues with Microsoft, and enough of them to preclude any possibility of me ever becoming a fanboy no matter how much I may like a certain number of their products, but I agree with the assessment in this article.

    Apple gets a pass because they have better marketing than God, and, as a result, a more loyal religion. Facebook gets a pass because they are everybody's favorite virtual hangout spot. Google gets a pass because they've long been thought of as almost an interchangeable term with "the internet" and they're constant, but undeserved, refrain of "don't be evil". But Microsoft? They're like the tech world's Yankees. They've dominated for so long, and in many ways so unfairly (at least in the past), that it doesn't matter how good of a show they put on because everybody is just showing up to boo them.

    I suppose every story needs a villain, though. IBM is too far removed from consumers' minds to fill that role, anymore. Perhaps it is the inevitable karma of their past monopolist actions catching up to them, but it certainly seems as though Microsoft have become the pariah at the party these days.

    1. Re:I Concur by tbannist · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't really see it. It looks to me like a Microsoft partisan is pulling the old "liberal media" trick of accusing everyone else to be biased so that he'll look less biased. The guy making the complaint is intricately tied to Microsoft (he's Microsoft VIP, and MSCE, a Microsoft Partner...), these are facts that he neglected to mention in the article because they might lead people to rightly believe that his reporting might have a pro-Microsoft bias.

      Also I've never heard of the controversy he claims gets "so much attention". It's biased reporting of the worst sort.

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    2. Re:I Concur by fearx · · Score: 1

      If MS is being bashed by the media, how many of all the Foxconn articles mentioned that MS products are also made in these same factories?

    3. Re:I Concur by ignavus · · Score: 1

      Apple gets a pass because they have better marketing than God, and, as a result, a more loyal religion.

      Apple is the Cool Kid(TM). It's like Nike or La Coste clothing some years ago. They're a must-have fashion item in the non-tech world.

      Google is the Nerdy Genius(TM). They're really smart ... and as they don't sell you anything, what's to complain about?

      Microsoft is the Dorky Kid heading for Business School. His PCs drive you crazy.

      Facebook is where you keep all your fake friends and pretend to have a social life.

      So you pick on Microsoft.

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  10. That some serious myopia by IQGQNAU · · Score: 4, Informative

    Exactly how far back does your memory go? For decades while Microsoft held power over all computers that mattered the press was overwhelming pro-M$. A big part of that was of course because they poured an enormous amount of money into the publishers' coffers. Even whole publishers owed their existence to M$ and never would be heard a discouraging word (ever heard of Ziff-Davis?). Then there was this little thing of being convicted of illegal antitrust market manipulation and a few folks woke up to the idea that it is possible that not everything M$ puts out smells all that sweet.

  11. I think it's getting better in fact by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 2

    Slashdot finally got rid of the Borg Gates image after all and people who still type M$ are openly mocked.

    1. Re:I think it's getting better in fact by nschubach · · Score: 1

      , says the Anonymous Coward. ;)

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    2. Re:I think it's getting better in fact by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Slashdot finally got rid of the Borg Gates image after all and people who still type M$ are openly mocked.

      They're mocked as kiddies when they're actually perpetrating an old-school meme founded on Compu$erve.

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    3. Re:I think it's getting better in fact by nschubach · · Score: 1

      It was no airplane, it was a winking eye.

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      Every time I start to have faith in humanity, I ruin it by driving to work between 7 and 8 am.
    4. Re:I think it's getting better in fact by FunkyLich · · Score: 1

      Well, I could type M$ or Windoze and get mocked. I can not be bothered to bother about it. Go on, try it if you like. I am not inventing stuff out of the blue, there is a reason why there exist the M$ and Windoze terms. This entire discussion thread speaks tons about it, with facts, not fantasy. In a fair way even, there are those who agree and there are those who disagree. Who am I to judgde, after all.

      But what really bothers me is someone replying to this post saying: You should not say those things. They are Microsoft Patented.

  12. The Official Slashdot Hate List by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    1. Apple
    2. Sony
    3. Facebook
    4. Microsoft (or as people say here hilariously: Micro$oft...get it? It's Microsoft with a dollar sign!)
    5. President Obama
    6. Geek Squad
    7. Monster Cables
    8. Me
    9. You
    10. Themselves

    1. Re:The Official Slashdot Hate List by c0lo · · Score: 2

      7. Monster Cables

      I was with you up to "monster cables". Now, that's utterly BS: how can one hate monster cables? (I gotta love them, e.g. no geek would be able to blame superluminal neutrinos on Tuscan milk).

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    2. Re:The Official Slashdot Hate List by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Monster cables are WAY over priced,

      But they a superluminal, dude! (another way of whoooshing you).

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  13. Microsoft earned their bad reputation the hard way by Omnifarious · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And they haven't really done anything that dispells that reputation. Their recent attempt at bullying with patents is a case in point.

    But I still agree with the article. But that's because I don't think Apple or Google are appropriately taken to task for some things they do that are wrong. Particularly Apple.

  14. Selection Bais by jythie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It all depends on who you listen to and which negative coverage you 'notice'. Microsoft gets tons of praise and has an army of fanboys, just like Apple and Google and Facebook, each of which seems to feel that their brand is under constant attack while the 'others' get off easy.

  15. Media bias? by SpaceCracker · · Score: 2

    I don't know if the media is biased against MS or not . I know I am.

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  16. Yes by demonbug · · Score: 1

    Yes, although the article sucks and isn't worth reading. Microsoft does get more than its share of bashing, but then Microsoft has been at the top of the game for a longer time than any of the other companies mentioned. Google and post-iPod Apple have been seen as the trendy upstarts among those only skin deep in the tech world (which seems to describe the tech reporters/editors for most news outlets), and haven't been subject to the same amount of abuse - though this is changing.

    Of course, Microsoft generally deserves the bashing it gets, so the real problem is that the other companies aren't bashed enough, not that MS is bashed too much.

  17. Re:Now that to see media bias... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I guess not too many people are drinking that Kool-aid then. They're all ready to vote Reagan's corpse back into office again.

  18. self biased resistor by anomaly256 · · Score: 2

    I think this article is itself media bias. Apparently the author forgot about the epic lawsuits and class actions both google and apple faced for their handling of wifi logging for location services, google's street view wrist-slaps, and the very recent '4G in Australia' issue apple is currently being litigated for.

    People don't 'bash microsoft into the ground' and more than they do the other 'The Man's. And to claim they do is itself dishonest, pro-microsoft bias.

    1. Re:self biased resistor by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Poverb - If you look for evil, you will find it.

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  19. Naomi Klein's book No Logo is still relevant by shmorhay · · Score: 1

    Naomi Klein's book "No Logo" (ISBN-13: 9780312429270) is still relevant regarding corporate branding, and is a rollicking good read if you are an economics nerd: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/no-logo-naomi-klein/1102326802

  20. Bias thy name is Gartner by gelfling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gartner couldn't be any more insanely pro MS if they were branded a subsidiary of MS.

    1. Re:Bias thy name is Gartner by PPH · · Score: 1

      Perhaps. And maybe that's their public stance. But I can recall a few times when I worked at Boeing and the IT department swore by the Microsoft solution. I'd whip out one of the Gartner reports we (Boeing) subscribed to which basically said 'Steer clear of that MS crap. It's not ready for prime time.'

      It didn't do much good. In fact, I submitted an employee suggestion to the effect that if IT kept recommending MS solutions contrary to Gartner (and other) s/w research firms' advice, they should save the money they spent on subscriptions and cancel them. Since evidently nobody was reading them.

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    2. Re:Bias thy name is Gartner by mystikkman · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Bias thy name is Gartner by iserlohn · · Score: 1

      3 examples... Compared to all the favorable material to MS coming out of Gartner, I think you just proved GP's point.

  21. Media vs tech media by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the media, sure. Apple is always launching new gizmos and the media eats it up like a child on Christmas morning. They can't help it if it's a slow news day.

    But do tech publications have the same bias? Seems unlikely to me; there's always stories on Slashdot criticising Apple (and Google, and Microsoft.) Same goes for any other tech news site I've seen, baring 9to5mac and such.

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    1. Re:Media vs tech media by samkass · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not even in the media. When is the last time you heard about the labor practices that go into making Android handsets? Despite the fact that Apple seems to be the only company willing to try to improve things, and that the Foxconn factory that made Microsoft Xbox parts was the subject of the threatened mass suicide recently, it was all reported as "Apple's supplier". Or environmentalists railing on Apple over their "disposable" culture when Apple's products are some of the most recyclable and their programs some of the best at doing so?

      Apple is definitely not getting a free pass lately. If anything, Microsoft's foray into cellphones is getting a free pass, as is Android's attempts at a tablet. They're treated with kid gloves because they're not Apple.

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    2. Re:Media vs tech media by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The media always goes after the biggest target. For much of the last two decades that has been Microsoft, but now as they're browser share slips badly and their latest foray into the smartphone market still isn't lighting fireworks, well, Apple is the guy to beat on. Google and Facebook get a lot more heat in Europe than here, maybe because everyone here has already sold their souls to those particular privacy devils already.

      Frankly, I'm seeing a lot less negative MS stories on Slashdot these days. To some extent, I'm seeing a lot less Microsoft stories period. Desktops aren't sexy things any more, nobody really gives a crap about the next version of Windows. Windows 8 buzz lasts exactly as long as the space between the latest story on Google being bashed by German courts or Apple being nailed for the number of Chinese get buried for every thousand iPods produced. Microsoft is a middle aged company now, and it really isn't doing anything terribly interesting or even inflammatory, or at least nothing that's nearly as interesting as Apple getting nailed as part of an e-book cartel.

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    3. Re:Media vs tech media by Benaiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Between 98 and windows xp Microsoft was probably at the height of their power. They were on everyone's PC, everyone's laptop. There wasn't a viable alternative because they had all the Apps! Fast forward to Vista and you see that Microsoft squandered their position. They lost touch with their market, fed them hype and shit and delivered a product that didn't work... then we had a failed phone, a failed zune and whatever else that never saw the light of day... Windows 7 is an improvement over Vista but really that's not a comparison that even Microsoft wants to make. With windows 8 and the tablet market heating up there really is potential for Microsoft to "innovate" and develop an O/S that runs the same application on a Arm tablet all the way up to an i7 desktop.

      So do they deserve the bashing they get? Damn right they do. Do evil was there motto there for a while, as well as charge more for less. Buy out a product just to destroy it, charge outrageous prices for licensing and just generally piss everyone off. On the other hand look at google maps. what a brilliant tool that we all rely on that got released for free... Google mail offering 1gb instead of 1mb at Hotmail. Facebook hasn't done anything of note yet, but Apple (which I do bash constantly) releases a new and evolutionary tool every year that is compatible with old. Playstation should be taking notes and following in their footsteps. So yeah, Microsoft is the herpes of the world.

    4. Re:Media vs tech media by tgeek · · Score: 2

      The media always goes after the biggest target. . . .

      Perfectly stated! Whether the target merits the negative attention or not matters little to the media. The leader in any industry is going to have a big bullseye painted on their back. Pick any industry: Fast food? McDonalds. Brick and mortar retail? Walmart. Online retail? Amazon. Desktop Software? Microsoft.

    5. Re:Media vs tech media by T-Bone-T · · Score: 4, Funny

      You've got that right about Microsoft cellphones. I never hear of them outside tech blogs.

    6. Re:Media vs tech media by minderaser · · Score: 2

      When is the last time you heard about the labor practices that go into making Android handsets?

      That's just dumb. Android is not a singular product made by a singular manufacturer. Sure, if you want to criticise one the the many companies who make products that us Android as the OS, then that's okay. And I might even agree with you. But to act like Android there's a singular entity behind making products that use Android is just silly.

      ...Microsoft's foray into cellphones is getting a free pass, as is Android's attempts at a tablet.

      There you go again. Android itself is not trying to do anything. It's just an OS that other people use.

    7. Re:Media vs tech media by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      The last M$ trigger for hate was them charging more for some truly off patent licences on Android phones than they were charging for Windows phone OS. Now that is about as anti-competitive as it gets.

      Apple is simply better at manipulating it's marketing dollar that M$. Note, positive Apple stories often appear with Apple advertising, this is not by accident, Apple has paid for those stories by buying the associated advertising space.

      Google is very subtle in it's advertising, your don't really see it but it's all about those good news Google stories. Googles simply aligns some of it's investment strategies to create good news stories.

      We've all seen the PR=B$ cycles of charity washing and, green washing, where corporations make huge announcements about the efforts in those areas to hide their gross misdeeds in other areas. Catch is the internet eats that stuff alive because the miss deeds are no longer forgotten in the next news cycle but they are keep alive on the internet for years and when a mass of them builds up they create a tsunami of bad news that wipes out the carefully fabricated PR=B$ facade.

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    8. Re:Media vs tech media by Anonymatt · · Score: 1

      Always felt like other fast food chains make unhealthy food their "thing," meanwhile, McDonalds gets stuck putting pictures of people doing healthy lifestyle things on all their bags.

    9. Re:Media vs tech media by scoot80 · · Score: 1

      Android is the new Windows...

    10. Re:Media vs tech media by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      The media always goes after the biggest target.

      Yes... that's called bias ;)

    11. Re:Media vs tech media by Xeranar · · Score: 2

      The problem I see with this argument facing labor issues is that Google has next to no authority over the third party corporations that produce the handsets. I'm an outspoken supporter of fair trade and better labor practices. I'm frustrated that all of our electronics are produced in near-slave conditions but Apple as a direct manufacturer (sub-contracted or not) has a much greater hand in the dealings of Foxconn than Google ever did. I give you once the Motorola acquisition is complete they'll be as responsible but that won't be for atleast some time still.

      Also, lets not lie about Apple "trying to improve things" since they shipped the last of their jobs overseas and make a profit of $575 on each iPhone sold. They could easily bring the entire production line home and pay excellent wages and still profit $200+ per phone. Apple has no interest in that so lets not get into that sort of "they're trying!" talk because it simply is not true.

      If anything the media is run by a surprisingly small circle of individuals. Much as we picture the media as these monolithic creatures with vast resources most of those resources are NOT spent on reporting or research. Mainstream media treat technology like they treat science, each new product is an awesome advancement in our society. In the tech media environment it becomes a bit of a value judgment rule where most products are built with commodity parts and thus who puts those parts to the best use for the price tends to get the highest praise. Even now Windows has the largest installation base by such a long shot on the Desktop market that even the slight dent in it made news for Apple shows that it isn't about showing the reality but painting the narrative. Especially as the media becomes consumed by the Apple-classism products that "just work" or rather "just make me look like I can afford to not work" they're going to garner more random support articles as they win the value judgment battles.

    12. Re:Media vs tech media by gtall · · Score: 1

      "Apple is always launching new gizmos and the media eats it up like a child on Christmas morning."

      My count: iPod, iPhone, iPad. You make it sound like it was one a month. And the press widely panned Apple's coming out with the first two claiming they'd never be able to compete against established players. It was their sales that made the press think again. I will admit the press had orgasms over the iPad, but then they had see MS screw it up and in a sense were primed for someone doing it right in hitting a sweet spot that customers would actually buy into.

    13. Re:Media vs tech media by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      When is the last time you heard about the labor practices that go into making Android handsets?

      Samsung manufacture theirs in Korea, which is a democracy with fairly strong labour laws. Of course some of the component parts, the resistors and capacitors, came out of factories in China, but the bulk of the work is done in Korea. They make their own screens, CPUs, radio modules, memory...

      Many Japanese manufacturers have factories in Japan too. Feel free to rightly condemn the ones that do use Foxconn. What makes Apple so bad is that their profit margins are probably the highest in the business, but they use the cheapest possible manufacturing facilities. Samsung and Sharp have to pay their workers more and provide a higher standard of employment, but apparently that is worth it over making a few extra bucks on every phone.

      Or environmentalists railing on Apple over their "disposable" culture when Apple's products are some of the most recyclable and their programs some of the best at doing so?

      The EU requires that batteries be properly disposable. Even if the battery is non-replaceable there must be some way for the owner to remove it for disposal. For example Philips electric toothbrushes and Braun shavers can be opened with a normal screwdriver and the battery ripped out by hand (destroying the wiring). Apple products are sealed and at best need special tools to get into. You can't dispose of or recycle them properly.

      Plus having non-replaceable batteries is evil anyway, and encourages people to throw away perfectly functional products that could easily have their lives extended. Again, Apple are not the only ones doing it, but they are also by far the worst offenders.

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    14. Re:Media vs tech media by wigbold · · Score: 1
      Well said. The leader has a target, the up-and-comers have a David v. Goliath media appeal. In olden days IBM ruled the mainframe market. Companies like Amdahl had a lot of positive press. Even within IBM an OS like MVS was the biggie, and something like VM/CMS the underdog. No different now. The media flavour of Google stories has changed over the year, as they've grown, and reached more and more into our virtual pockets, picking us over for every tidbit of personal information they can get their hands on. Very similar story with Facebook (they're maybe even more into our info-pockets). The exception is our $ pockets, but media are starting to trumpet more what /. has known for years: If you're not paying the company, you are the product. Apple is a bit different yet, as others have said, but even there media are starting to at least acknowledge the insane per-gadget profits Apple makes. With a change in leadership, they will receive more critical purview.

      Remember, too, that m/Media is changing in front of our eyes. The way I see, if I can read it, it's media, though maybe not Media :-) With tons of m/Media at my fingertips, I am more likely to be able to find out both (or >2) perspectives on any news story/company/agency/dictator/country. Discerning the t/Truth is a separate question, caveat lector because the communis opinio isn't always what it's cracked up to be :-)

    15. Re:Media vs tech media by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Always felt like other fast food chains make unhealthy food their "thing," meanwhile, McDonalds gets stuck putting pictures of people doing healthy lifestyle things on all their bags.

      Putting pictures of people doing healthy things on bags of unhealthy food seems more than a little hypocritical to me. I'd respect it a lot more if the pictures on the bag were of fat people watching TV and eating Big Macs.

    16. Re:Media vs tech media by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      You make it seem as if the herpes family of viruses are actually as bad as Microsoft is. I think you might be putting the poor family of viruses in bad light.

    17. Re:Media vs tech media by davydagger · · Score: 1
      Apple promotes their "ethics" as part of a sales pitch to sell their image to the pseudo-intelectualist crowd that likes to harp haphazardly on "social issues" to make them appear better peoplen than they are. Just like apple's attempt to market themselves as "open" or even "free software friendly", when in the software world like microsoft they have the reputation of paraiahs

      Both are comitted to making closed parellel worlds. At least with linux, linux fanbois form a community, and this communtiy makes foward progress.(submit bug reports, small bits of code, beta test, etc...)

      With apple, and now MS(yes, MS fanbois, the few the shameless), their fanbois are just a giant pyramid marketing scheme to turn paying customers into advertisers. The actuall contribution to actual computing is hot air.

      Google isn't perfect but they do a far better job at openness than either apple or microsoft. But again, why trust any corporation. This isn't about Corporation vs Corporation. This is about corporate serfdom vs free software.

  22. Because no one want them to win by nzac · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They are no longer seen as tech leaders but as a company that forces you buy from them.
    While they get lucky with a few products their innovation generally appears as incompetent and poorly implemented (such as Win 8).
    Most people don't like having to buy an updated version of windows and office every few years and start to think another company might be able do a better job.

    1. Re:Because no one want them to win by nzac · · Score: 1

      Yes you can avoid upgrades but then you have to weigh up productivity losses as you are no longer compatible with organizations and people who have.
      The business model encourages making deliberate incompatibles and withholding features to speed the process up. This hurts the productivity and user experience of the product, which sucks for the end user.
      This is very likely to happen on mobile devices if Microsoft was to win the majority of the market share. Though i think any non-oss company would find it hard not to do the same.

  23. Heinlein summed it up best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Heinlein summed it up best: "Everybody hates the fat kid." Microsoft was a media darling in the early '90s when it was a growth company; the little scrappy newcomer fighting against big bad IBM and their bloated, overpriced systems. Once they were #1, press coverage gradually turned against them and they became the new IBM: big, bad M$ and their bloated, overpriced software.

    Some of you may have noticed the same thing happening to Google over the past few years. I see more and more negative news stories on them every year. Soon, they'll be hated too.

    1. Re:Heinlein summed it up best by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      Some of you may have noticed the same thing happening to Google over the past few years. I see more and more negative news stories on them every year. Soon, they'll be hated too.

      The anti-Google bias on many tech sites is a lot of manufactured controversy.

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    2. Re:Heinlein summed it up best by Dan667 · · Score: 1

      microsoft earned their reputation from their behavior. Google is not squeaky clean, but has not engaged in the same type of underhand crap that microsoft is known for.

  24. Bullies by sgrover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bullies have to work extremely hard to loose their reputation as a bully. Non-bullies who mess up are worthy of more lee-way.

  25. One of these doesn't belong. by Lando · · Score: 1

    Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook.

    I don't know how mainstream media covers these companies, but other than google, I can points out all of these companies being run by people that feel that they are better than their customers. Google may mainly hire PhD's to work for it, but I still get the opinion that they value the people that use their productions, I can't say the same for any of the others. Perhaps I'm wrong on the google part, but I know the other companies are just trying to get my money and or control of what I do.

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    1. Re:One of these doesn't belong. by thestudio_bob · · Score: 2

      ...but I still get the opinion that they value the people that use their productions...

      With google, YOU are the product.

      (Assuming you meant products, instead of productions.)

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    2. Re:One of these doesn't belong. by Lando · · Score: 1

      Product/production, pretty much the same thing. Unlike television, google is actually supplying me with something that I find of value and is selling advertising to me in order to finance it. I find it a equitable arrangement. Television and other advertising products tend to supply me with crap I don't really want, ie reducing their costs as much as possible while attempting to maintain as many viewers as possible to sell to advertisers. I don't watch commercial television anymore, nor do I listen to the radio much etc because it has gone beyond what I consider acceptable. Also since there are plenty of alternatives, google has to maintain my loyalty if they want me to continue to use their services.

      The point being, I have yet to see Google operating in a totally unethical manner, but I have seen that from the other three companies listed.

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  26. How quaint... by namgge · · Score: 2

    ...someone who expects 'the media' to be 'unbiased'. Here's a clue for you: there is no such thing as an unbiased news report.

  27. Google doesn't get a free ride either by javascriptjunkie · · Score: 1

    Just this morning, I was reading the Wall St Journal, and there was an article bashing Google for the Moto purchase. It's was pretty hard on them. The first paragraph of the article mentioned that it was a bad idea, and the rest of it was spent going over every possible reason it was a bad idea, droning over and over again about how Google is probably not a company that actually wants to make stuff. This isn't the first one I've seen either. The coverage of Google+ has been brutal. The coverage of the patent wars has been so incredibly mean spirited at times, that it borders on unprofessional.

    And don't even get me started on the totally illiterate, comments from people who didn't read any further than the headline.

    You can't compare the coverage Microsoft gets to the coverage Google gets, and say that Google gets a free ride. The argument just doesn't make sense.

    Not saying they're going easy on Microsoft, but let's face it. Post Gates Microsoft isn't especially interesting.

  28. There's only one thing MS is good for... by NikeHerc · · Score: 1

    The one thing MS is good for is to force me to find replacements for their lousy, bloated, slow products.

    If I hadn't gotten sick to death of using Word, I'd never have found LaTeX. Now, as the world's biggest fan of LaTeX, I have taken an oath never to create another Word document as long as I live!

    And, of course, I never, ever do anything serious on Windows. It's Unix or Linux for me.

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  29. Think long term by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Apple - you had to invite them in and then a cult like upgrade cycle makes the cash flow.
    Google - an advertising company with 'open' cover to welcome in developers - track most users most of the time.
    FB - an advertising company with 'generational' cover.
    MS - the first hit is OEM/educational pricing and they have your boss on an upgrade cycle.
    The idea that "something a little off" does cover the path of arrogance left by MS over its long twisted history.
    MS wanted the OS, fonts, productivity, the home hardware with its OS, servers, security, the safe cloud, media, games, telco, ads, the web - and once the trust with users, their data, developers, the press, start ups, small and large rivals, standards is gone - its gone for generations.
    No amount of very public charity work, tame press, "open information" bait, almost free offers, discounts, cute new products and toys can bring a brand back.

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  30. Pretty much BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Confirmation bias.
    Confirmation bias everywhere.

    Microsoft has cleaned up their act quite a bit since the bad old NT days. Nobody bashes Microsoft for having crappy, buggy, crashy software anymore. They don't! (For the most part) They still have plenty to answer for and their past behavior makes many wary. There's a lot of nasty stuff MS was up to in the "bad old days"

    Right now they get trashed for their inability to execute outside of their established markets. If it's not server software, windows on the desktop, office software, or (More recently) the xbox then they really dont' do all that well. Worse, they do it very inelegantly. Microsoft seems to pick a market at random, announce their entry, then enter with unguided brute force and money. Failure is the most common result.

    People are wary of this approach for good reason. In the past they'd simply announce and FUD up a market and make a bunch of noise to disrupt competitors that they didn't even yet compete with! Remember windows CE? Windows CE existed for one reason only, and that was to destroy palm. Once palm was a non-player, CE development halted. Same for IE. They don't really do that anymore because now they have actual competetors.. But the fact remains that Microsoft enters markets not to compete, but to disrupt and dilute. Web based office, azure cloud computing, windows phone, windows on tablets - All of these are examples of this.

    Apple gets trashed plenty too, along with Microsoft's other "Contemporaries". Each gets plenty of flack when something goes wrong. They also get a lot of praise when the do something right. Microsoft's strange hamfisted strategies don't earn them much praise from anyone.

    1. Re:Pretty much BS by symbolset · · Score: 1

      Snort. We are still not over the ISO corruption scandal. And at this very moment the manchurian CEO is pitching the retirement funds of the entire nation of Finland off of his burning platform, driving unemployment to obscene levels. Finland may never recover, but at the least it will be a generation. Those are only two of many ongoing issues. Let's not talk about how they have changed until they have actually changed.

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  31. Troll story by lanner · · Score: 1

    Troll story. Nothing else to say. I wish I could vote for a tag, but it's already there.

  32. The Cure For Media Bias by sk999 · · Score: 3, Funny

    If anyone thinks Microsoft is being criticized unfairly, the cure is easy. Just head over to Rob Enderle's website: www.enderlegroup.com. Here are some recent articles:

    "Is Google Facing the Beginning of the End?"
    "The New iPad: Apple lowers the bar"
    "Windows 8 vs. OS X Mountain Lion -- why Apple Suddenly Sucks"

    Your esteem for Microsoft will return to an all-time high.

    1. Re:The Cure For Media Bias by troff · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding? More like "once again, your opinion of Rob Enderle will drop to an even lower all-time low".

      Use that search bar up top and see what the collective Slashdot has had to say regarding Rob Enderle in the past. I refer you, specifically, to the "Ferrari laptop", "Linux Geeks", "Microsoft Apologizes" and "SCO" incidents, for example.

      I'd say "for fuck's sake", but I wouldn't want anybody thinking I said "for Enderle's sake".

  33. Karma? by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

    It's a bitch.

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  34. Big time. by N!NJA · · Score: 1

    A telephone that can't reliably place or receive calls (thanks to an exclusive partner, AT&T).
    An Internet/multimedia tablet that doesn't support Flash. Or has USB/HDMI ports.

    Yes, Apple gets away with a lot. Right now, they can sell a fridge to an eskimo.

  35. pop quiz, Mr. J. Peter Bruzzese by Phantom+Gremlin · · Score: 4, Informative

    Which of the following four companies is a convicted monopolist?
    a) Microsoft
    b) Apple
    c) Facebook
    d) Google

    The correct answer is "a" (Microsoft). The leadership that festered that predatory behavior is still at Microsoft. Bill Gates is Chairman, Steve Ballmer is CEO. That's why Microsoft's actions warrant careful scrutiny.

    It's unfortunate that the "editors" allowed themselves to be trolled this way.

  36. Re:Microsoft = white, others = minorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Microsoft was on the scene and making big noise in the 90's while the the others, Google, Apple and Facebook are big this decade or so. So as they were budding companies, Microsoft force a lot of Microsoft line of thinking down the throats of Americans. I equate this to the when the white man had all the power. Now these three companies and more have grown up in size, similar to the minorities of other races, in this country, and they are demanding to change the rules. So people have had Microsoft around a long time and hold a lot of grudges, and honestly, Microsoft tends to take some extra blame where they shouldn't, similarly so to the actions of whites by all minorties.

    Sure you may think my comments are a bit far fetched, but if you really think about it they aren't. I'm not trying to invoke a race discussion, but there are similar correlations metaphorically speaking.

    Taulk amongst yer-selves

    Well, that would explain why Facebook stole my data.

  37. Because they got caught before by msobkow · · Score: 1

    Microsoft is under particularly intense scrutiny by the public because of the monitoring and threat of a break-up of the company many years ago. Once you've been accused of monopolistic practices, you are forever branded as a monopolist at heart. Your company may survive unbroken, but the public trust is permanently dead.

    The only company to ever protect their image in the face of such an investigation was IBM. Even AT&T was never as respected post-breakup as they were prior to being labelled "monopolist", "competitive market place" or no.

    Apple has only escaped "unscathed" in the sense that no one has been willing to put it on the table: Apple's predatory supplier pricing is what forces slave-like conditions on their foreign employees. Local market value is irrelevant when the foreign provider is not complying with generally accepted international human rights standards. Buying from such suppliers is unethical and immoral, and Apple is being pressured heavily for it.

    But even condoning wage-slavery is not as "evil" in society's eyes as being branded "monopolist."

    The only thing that gets an 'merican more ticked off than an abusive monopolist is a "Godless Communist" or "Socialist" (like us Canajuns.)

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  38. Easy by no-body · · Score: 1

    Microsoft has the longest history of dishonesty and is still running on the big and monopolistic advantage of having the OS _and_ applications developed under the same roof.

    And - I it's unknown who had to be "convinced" that the judgment to split OS and application development into two companies.

    The thing with US courts is that they are not cut dry cases - this are the facts and based on that, this happens. There are other considerations (or were with the MSoft case besides the judge apparently making errors) - it would harm the economy and stuff like that. A lot of it is political. Justice is not blind - it opens an eye under the blindfold to one or the other side....
     

  39. They should change their name. by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

    Microsoft has changed their act as of late. They are making better products, and spending less time bullying everyone around. But you can't honestly expect their reputation to be clean overnight, they've got two decades of bad behavior that people need to forget about.

    Besides that, their name is old fashioned, and it reminds people of the man from back in the day when we all still hated the man. It's you fathers company. No one today can love a tech company that has more than two syllables in it's name. "Microsoft" isn't even relevant anymore. Who even know's what a microcomputer is? And who makes acronyms by attaching the front of words together? They might as well be called spam.

  40. I would have thought the opposite by alvinrod · · Score: 1

    I would have thought the opposite, honestly. Both Facebook and Google have been drug through the mud over privacy issues on numerous occasions and as the new, biggest tech company, Apple is a lightning rod for all matter of attention, such as recent reporting surrounding Chinese manufacturing. Nearly all of the reports focus on Apple even though companies like Foxconn make products for other major companies.

    Microsoft, on the other hand, is largely ignored. They're still a huge company, but they really haven't done anything new or interesting in several years. All of their recent consumer products are just their version of something that companies such as Google or Apple have pioneered or acquisitions of existing companies. Anything they've done on the business side isn't terribly newsworthy as far as most consumers are concerned, so even if they make the world's best SQL server, no one will care and it won't be reported.

    People still bitch about Microsoft around here, but the average consumer no longer cares. They're not in the lime light so it's much better to sling mud at one of the more popular companies such as Apple, Facebook, or Google. I don't have any statistics or a comprehensive analysis of the news surrounding different companies, but to me it just feels as though people are indifferent towards Microsoft.

  41. Apple farts by Right1488 · · Score: 1

    I notice everytime Apple farts most news outlets will devote half or more their coverage to explaining how Apple's fart is the sweetest smelling thing ever to enter the scene, even sweeter than their previous fart from just two weeks earlier. Maybe Microsoft should be putting more money into the pockets of big media.

  42. Business is Personal by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    Microsoft's entire market, especially these days, is in the business sector. When they misstep, professionals complain that they are losing real dollars. When apple, google, or facebook missteps, those markets are recreational. They've built entire businesses on the concept that users are just having fun. So if your fun breaks, or changes, meh it's no big deal. So there's no one left to complain about anything significant.

    That's how you know that no one's really using those things for anything legitimate. Business keeps on going because business was never depending on it in the first place.

    1. Re:Business is Personal by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, I'd forgotten about the google business service where they sometimes may or may not show your ad that you sometimes may or may not have paid for at random intervals to random groups of people in random places. Now that's commitment. Tell me, about what would businesses complain?

      And again, that's marketing, or advertising. It's a crap-shoot in the best of cases. And it's not something on which businesses rely on a daily basis.

  43. MS has the longest record of illegal activies by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    As far as I can tell, MS has by far the longest record of illegal activies, even if only for the fact that they are the oldest company (which I don't believe). The face of IT is mared forever by severe and serious illegal pratices on behalf of MS, especially in the anti-trust dept.

    They actually got - and still get - away pretty cheap, if you ask me. The antitrust cases in the 90ies didn't harm them much and outside of their evil grip on PC computing they have a relatively untarnished reputation, like, for instance, in peripheral hardware and gaming consoles. People were actually cheering them on for spending 6 billion $ to take on Sony and Nintendo in the console market and spice things up with a little extra competition. The XBox is actually the only MS product I've actually considered buying in the last 15 years - aside from maybe my first optical mouse and ergo-keyboard.

    But back to the issue at hand: MS deserves all the bashing they get, and more so. For example, just imagine Beos having a fair chance and gaining foothold in the PC market. How much different would the world look today? Just one of the countless examples of damage done by MS crimes in the last 2 decades.

    The negative press wouldn't be half as bad if MS had been split into Windows and MS Office by the courts back then - which would've been the exact right thing to do.

    My 2 cents.

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  44. google and facebook don't force you to pay by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 1

    How much money have you had to pay Microsoft to license its products, directly or indirectly, over the past 10 years? Did you ever change from Windows to Linux (or whatever) even after having been forced to pay the Microsoft fee in the computer's price? How about to Google? Facebook? Apple?

  45. Syllables by krray · · Score: 1

    It's the syllables. 3 is so 1900's and too many.

    Not that they simply stole money from me. To license their product on hardware that is 1) still running today and 2) never ran Windows, but still runs Linux. I can easily think of ~$4K they got from me -- money that I would have rather bought more ï£ stock with. That's roughly an additional $285,000 Bill Gates owes me I believe. Of course their antics are the reason I started looking at other companies and choosing the red or blue pill I'll leave for another day.

    And as ingeniously stated previously, "karma's a bitch". And frankly I never forget.

    Microwho? Troll

  46. There's a bias, but not the one this shill thinks by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    When all these companies do something obviously bad, the media is all over them - Microsoft isn't singled out in that regard.

    What Bruzzese is really complaining about - whether he realizes it or not - is that the other companies all offer a product that's decidedly popular among the population at large. They all are "cool", to use my out-of-date old guy parlance. Microsoft is no longer cool; and, having lost their mojo, they have no idea how to recapture it. Companies that have captured the imagination of the public are always going to get more and better media coverage.

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  47. Re:Depends where you are by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    Microsoft simply isn't the bogeyman it once was. Their attempt to turn the web into a Microsoft proprietary playground failed. If anything, I think people tend to simply care less about Microsoft these days. People are far more likely to react to newer more relevant companies.

    This sounds like someone trying to desperately make Microsoft seem more relevant than it really is.

    Microsoft is now the legacy vendor. Apple is much more menacing. So are Facebook and Google.

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  48. Convict? by PPH · · Score: 1

    How many things has Microsoft actually been convicted of? I mean, where the trial actually went through the penalty phase before MS agreed to a side settlement with the DoJ? You know: Where they pay a fine^H^H^H^Hsettlement and agree not to do it again without admitting they did it before.

    Not that they are the only ones to go down this path. Its quite common for corporations to keep a clean criminal record by kicking some cash into the kitty every time they screw up.

    I wish this option was available to private citizens. I have a business plan to work as an assassin. Just tell me what the settlement fee is in advance and I'll tack in onto the contract price.

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  49. seriously? by Tom · · Score: 1

    That's a question? Why of course there is a bias. Two equally two answer to "why":

    a) because nobody likes a bully, especially after he starts stumbling

    b) that's what 20+ years of fucking everyone you can get your hands on over does to your reputation

    On the contrary, I would say that despite their fairly good track record in recent years, MS deserves everything they're getting and the bill is far away from being paid.

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  50. MS was found guilty of anti-trust. by MahlonS · · Score: 1

    So in a sense they are ex-cons. Their overly aggressive behavior has never been forgotten. Nor should it be, and we need to keep an eye on the rest as well.

  51. Fool me once... by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    Is not like Microsoft weren't caugth in the past 3 decades doing things like bribing, hardcoding to disable competing products (like when in Windows 3.something to not run in DR-DOS), offering vaporware, claiming the "most secure operating sytem ever" each year, forcing to exclude alternatives from hardware makers and sellers. Apple, Google and Facebook could had their hits and misses in the past few years, but Microsoft has been this evil the entire lives of a lot of columnists.

  52. Antennagate by MBCook · · Score: 1

    Case in point is the famous iPhone 4 antenna issue (affectionately termed "antennagate"), where holding the iPhone 4 in a certain way would interfere with the cellular signal. Then-CEO Steve Jobs said, "Hold it differently," and everyone said, "Oh, it's not a design flaw, we are simply not holding it properly."

    I'm sorry, WHAT? I stopped reading after that.

    Um, that's not what happened. The problem wasn't terrible (I own an iPhone 4), but it did exist. However, the media (especially the tech media), had a field day. When Consumer Reports denied a recommendation over it, it made the news again. When there were lawsuits, it made the news. When there was a case program, it made the news. "Has Apple slipped?" "Will the 'Grip of Death' strangle the iPhone?" Those were the kind of headlines you were likely to see at the time. Of course it turned out it wasn't a big deal, people bought the phone in droves and loved it. The 4S corrected the issue and sold even better.

    When Steve Jobs said "You're holding it wrong", most of the tech media latched on that as showing how out of touch Apple was and how they were hostile to customer issues that harmed the RDF.

    So what about Microsoft's treatment with Windows Phone 7? Basically every review I've seen has been quite positive. It turns out the Lumia 900 has a bug that can cause it to fail to connect to the cell network. That's much worse than the grip of death. There are articles, but most of them are going with headlines about how customers are getting $100 rebates and the phone is available for free on contract until the patch ships... basically positive spin.

    The worst press I've seen over WP7 has been when sites (such as Ars Technica) say they don't really recommend it because it's not clear if the phones will get updates (since the carriers can delay them) and the software ecosystem is still quite small.

    Vista didn't turn out well, but Windows 7 seems to have been very positively received. Windows 8 is divisive, but I don't think that's hit outside the tech media, where as Antennagate and the Foxcon stuff certainly has.

    If you take out product launch notices (like when Apple releases a new version of the iPhone or iPad and everyone lines up), and stock news (such as when they hit a record), has there been ANY good press about Apple recently? It seems it's almost all bad. "iPad too hot." "Lion made obnoxious changes." "iPad update means old apps take up more space." "Apple hiring slave labor." "iPad builders get disfigurements." "Apple sued by DOJ over antitrust in books."

    I would actually say MS has been slipping out of the news. If it wasn't for the Windows 8 preview released earlier, I don't think they would have gotten much coverage at all.

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  53. heh from what decade? by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    Currently the best the MS trolls can seem to muster is "UH DURHP WINDOWS ME" or "guilty of anti-trust" both from a decade ago, now go get an apple, google, or wastebook troll fired up and they can spit out at least 10 things just from the last 3 months.

    so dude, take a breath, your favorite monopoly is doing OK for now, you can wipe the tears away.

    1. Re:heh from what decade? by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Oh hell no. What about: their software is a bloated mess of half-patched bugs with an inconsistent User Interface and a bad habit of changing the user-set defaults without informing the user.

      Mart

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    2. Re:heh from what decade? by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      I didn't include that because its true (glares at my 30 page windows 95 "manual" er I mean pamplet)

  54. Re:You ask Slashdot about this?? by nschubach · · Score: 1

    Slashdot is famed for having an anti-Microsoft bias, so asking here is a waste of time.

    There are an abundance of Pro-Microsoft/Anti-Everything-Else sites out on the Internet. I'm sure asking those sites will get different responses as well.

    If your neighbors don't agree with your ways, move to a neighborhood that does. Obviously, Slashdot has news that resonate with that type of crowd. Maybe that crowd knows something you are putting blinders toward.

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  55. More attention, not "bias" by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
    Bollocks. How about the stores about workers' conditions at Foxconn? Which weren't nice, but no worse than at any other similar Chinese factory, but Apple gets pilloried for it while lower profile companies are ignored.

    How about the stories about the poor reception of iPhones if you held them the "wrong" way?

    How about "No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame."?

    1. Re:More attention, not "bias" by KevReedUK · · Score: 1

      Not entirely sure the focus on slamming Apple for this was due to their profile... perhaps more for their obscene profit margins being made at the workers' expense. Sure, most of the big names in tech were turning a profit at the expense of the poor down-trodden factory workers, but, on the face of things, none in so blatant a way as Apple.

      Another point to consider is that journalists want their stories to strike a chord with their readers, and this is most easily done by making the story personally identifiable to the reader. They had a story about Foxconn. Response of most potential readers - "So what? Who are they?" Now the writer needs to make it identifiable to the reader, so they pull out a list of Foxconn's clients and look for the one most likely to elicit a "Oh, I know who they are... So they push their workers til they make like lemmings, do they?!?" type response, because more readers will identify with the story, and therefore buy more papers. I've worded this for written media, but it could just as easily apply to tv or radio journalists. The choice of Apple from the list of Foxconn's clients was due to the instant recognition the name would trigger. Had they chosen, for example, Acer, most outside the tech arena (unless they had an Acer product themselves) would have responded with "So not only do I not know who Foxconn are, I don't know who Acer is either! Why should I give a damn about companies I've never heard of exploiting workers half a world away?" The Apple brand, on the other hand, has become so pervasive that for many their devices are considered "de rigueur" and thereby their name has permeated society.

      I'm not suggesting that there is intent in (the majority of) the media to paint Apple in a bad light, but bad news sells better than good news, but any news sells better if it is personable. If you can take a bad news story and tie it to a pervasive brand, readership goes up.

      On the other hand, I could be wrong. Maybe there really is some massive media conspiracy to try to force the great unwashed to perceive different companies in different ways. Until I see concrete evidence, however, I'm prepared to work along the lines of "never attribute to malice, that which is adequately explained by lazy reporting" (My apologies to Hanlon).

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  56. If software companies were spouses... by mykro76 · · Score: 1

    Microsoft: You had to marry me, your parents gave you no other choice. Well, I cheated on you. Many times. And you can't do anything about it. Apple: If you wanna marry me, it's gonna cost you a huge dowry. It's your choice, but once you're in you have to do everything my way. I wear the pants here. Google: You can marry me if you want or not. It'll be an open relationship, we'll try lots of new things. You might not like some of the things I do, but you can leave any time. Is it any wonder that the Microsoft way breeds the most resentment?

    1. Re:If software companies were spouses... by mykro76 · · Score: 2
      (fixed formatting, sorry!)

      Microsoft: You had to marry me, your parents gave you no other choice. Well, I cheated on you. Many times. And you can't do anything about it.

      Apple: If you wanna marry me, it's gonna cost you a huge dowry. It's your choice, but once you're in you have to do everything my way. I wear the pants here.

      Google: You can marry me if you want or not. It'll be an open relationship, we'll try lots of new things. You might not like some of the things I do, but you can leave any time.

      Is it any wonder that the Microsoft way breeds the most resentment?

  57. monopoly by Libertarian001 · · Score: 1

    Is it because Microsoft is a convicted predatory monopolist?

    1. Re:monopoly by Libertarian001 · · Score: 1

      yeah, yeah, replying to myself is bad form...

      If the argument against my comment was that it was over a decade ago, then you missed my point. Trust, once violated, is exceedingly difficult to regain, especially when you don't change your ways.

  58. Re:You ask Slashdot about this?? by tqk · · Score: 1

    Slashdot is famed for having an anti-Microsoft bias, so asking here is a waste of time.

    I don't agree with that. The Borg Bill Gates logo was a not that funny joke. It's not even true of Linux users. I see lots of them who like Linux for its dev tools and server stuff, yet still use Windows as their desktop interface. Cf. Samba.

    Besides, the vast majority are computer gamers so arguably *have* to run Windows.

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  59. Re:People are approaching them wrong by DavidRawling · · Score: 1

    That "Minding your Microsoft Manners" thing might be a little over the top - but compare it to that favourite analogy, the car industry. Would BMW be happy for their partners (dealers) to show up to a meeting in a Mercedes? Would you think maybe, just maybe, talking up the newest Chev to a Ford manager is a good plan? This is basic stuff - if you're working with a company to sell their stuff, you talk up their stuff not the competition?

    OTOH, if you were being sarcastic, then as you were.

  60. Re:People are approaching them wrong by symbolset · · Score: 1

    A little over the top? You really think so? I thought it was subtly done. A very nice piece of work.

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  61. Share of bashing by Tekoneiric · · Score: 1

    I definitely do my share of Apple and Facebook bashing. I refuse to buy an i device because of the forced usage of iTunes to load content.

    I only use Facebook to distribute links and other minor data to friends plus keep up with a few people I wouldn't otherwise have any contact with. I find Facebook to be very cumbersome and erratic on privacy settings. Disabling apps got mysteriously re-enabled on it's on.

    My biggest problems with Microsoft lately is the same with most big companies; the patent trolling and they seem to want to take Windows in ways that annoy both users and people supporting those users. They are like supermarkets that insist on changing the whole store around to make the store "fresh" yet just confuses the hell out of customers. Plus they seem to want to reinvent the wheel with every version of the OS rather than building on stable code/features. It's no surprise that they aren't doing as well as they used to because it cost lots of $ to reinvent things over and over and over...

    I admit I haven't bashed Google as much as they deserve, give me time. ;)

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  62. Facebook by phazemstr · · Score: 1

    With it's anti-privacy measure getting stronger and stronger every iteration, how is it this company gets away without a dark cloud of a media bias anyway?

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  63. A more relevent question. by dgharmon · · Score: 1

    "J. Peter Bruzzese questions whether Microsoft receives unfair criticism in the media, while Apple, Facebook, and Google seem to get away from missteps unscathed".

    I would have thought it's the exact opposite. A more relevent question is how much does each company spend in engaging in planting false stories in the tech press.

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  64. Re:I don't even think people hate MS by iserlohn · · Score: 1

    Think BSOD.. It only takes one day of lost work to form a lasting impression of quality associated with a company..

  65. Evil rating by ledow · · Score: 1

    Some of us have memories. Some of us have been stung. Many times. Some of us still can't believe that people even touch your products.

    On a ranking of evil in IT, I'd probably go more for something like:

    Microsoft
    Sony
    Apple
    Facebook
    Google

    That's not to say that Google is perfect (far from it), but there's at least options to opt out of most of the evilness without too much inconvenience. Why Facebook is on the list, I don't know - dragging in something from a completely different sector of the industry really just stinks of trying to cover your arse to me. But for years Facebooks privacy and user-choices about letting you do what you wanted with the service were atrocious.

    At the top, though, there's a vast gap between companies. Sony and Microsoft are pretty joint and I assure you that Sony gets a lot more flak than MS ever will purely because they cover so many more markets.

    But MS is the only company that has a LONG history of doing these things. Hell, they were doing them to me when I was a kid (I had DR DOS!) and some of those other companies were either a) at the peak of their success, b) veering into obscurity (even if they did later recover) or c) didn't exist back then.

    And claiming that MS somehow don't *deserve* a lot of the negative press they get, especially amongst consumers, is quite ridiculous. They've always had SOMETHING that stupid and hateful in their product line (they just tripled SQL Server costs, didn't they?) whether it's XBoxes overheating, or Windows ME being a pile of turd, or disabling of RPC1 drives, or horrendous network filesystem performance because of media-scanning, or RDP holes being discovered NOW (when RDP been's around for, what, a decade or more?) etc.

    Sony only make a few gaffes a year, at that, and their ever-ongoing prices that induce laughter. MS seem to pull out something every few weeks (MS India failing to keep check on its representatives).

    At even at the consumer end, for those people who *don't* keep up with tech news or care how evil a company is, MS still has a terrible reputation. I'm not really surprised. Have you seen the price of Windows / Office to the average consumer in a shop? Have you seen how easy it is for a bunch of innocent kids to break a family PC software setup completely so it's basically unusable, even without admin privileges? Have you looked at the impact to your non-business customers when you enforce new, incompatible file formats and new software paradigms without any guess what to do (Windows 8 springs to mind, which deletes the Start button and replaces it with an invisible "hover" panel in the same area - REALLY obvious to an old granny or a 7-year-old)? Have you seen the mess that IE has made of the Internet?

    Microsoft pretty much get what they deserve. Where they are successful, people buy and praise (Kinect seems to have gone down very well, but even then you were screwing over people who want to develop on it for PC for months, etc.). The problem is that your userbase is so large, and you focus on so little of it (e.g. profit-making large business), that you upset the majority of people every time you do something and don't care. Seriously. Go look at Windows Phone again. And look at the reactions to Windows 8. Are you really going to just ignore them?

    You've sown the seeds for this DECADES ago with the techs (most of whom will find it difficult to trust you again) and for years now with the average guy. And you wonder why you get more hate than Google?

  66. You can lose more than one days work from BSOD by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1

    It's not just one day's work from a BSOD. If someone was incompetent or malicious enough to deploy Windows in a mission critical environment, it can make a mess that takes thousands (or more) man-hours to clean up. With multiple people depending on a system, one BSOD can take a bite out of many days.

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  67. Its just not true by allo · · Score: 1

    Look at google. Everybody already doing the stuff google does, but google gets the trouble for it. For example: wifi-mapping. The Press' Opinion: "Evil evil google!"

  68. Bluecoat by jaymemaurice · · Score: 1

    Bluecoat - I mean nobody ever really thows stones at Squid/Baracuda/Websense etc... I mean I would think with the heated arguments from the public would have a big bulls-eye on Websense before Barracuda had there been some intelligence in the mob.

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  69. HA! by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    Microsoft, we all just love to hate, even if they're not in a position to deserve it anymore.

    Until they stop intimating - without ever bothering to offer proof - that Linux has stolen their IP, they do still deserve more hate than love.

  70. IE6 by kikito · · Score: 1

    They did IE6. They deserve everything.

  71. Say WHAT?! by ratboy666 · · Score: 1

    Adaptec RAID 6805... average joe.

    SAS RAID controllers would be a complete non-starter without Linux support. Adaptec or not. ESX support is just as important.

    Using this as a SATA controller? This is a $600 card. Why?

    Sorry, I don't see this as an "average joe" card. FWIW, an "above-average joe" would be better "served" by buying a complete HP DL360 server, including SAS disk (and controller). These are available (used) for under $2000.

    And the 6805's driver will be incorporated INTO the Linux native drivers in short order, at which point it will be ready for "average joe". But this (historically) will NEVER happen with Microsoft Windows.

    Also, since you are running 7x3TB, you are above the safe limit for RAID5. You may wish to consider using ZFS (possibly BTRFS) instead for data integrity (putting my architect hat on). I would strongly recommend that change.

    Hardware RAID would be recommended if using much smaller drives. 146GB 15k, (or, possibly 300 or 600GB). 1TB+ drives really need ZFS for reliability (and the smaller drives are ok as well).

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  72. My Mac crashes, in a worse way by 1800maxim · · Score: 1

    Have been using a Mac at work for nearly a year now. Prior to that, used Win7 PC for 1.5 yrs. What I found surprising on the Mac, when I experience an app crash, the whole system freezes, locks up. I cannot do a single thing to close the process becuase I cannot launch anything via the UI.

    I have not had such experience with the Win7 PC. Apps crashed, but never locked my system up.

    Overall, both are rock-solid stable, with crashes occuring extremely infrequently, however, I do prefer Windows' way of handling crashes.

    Take it for what it's worth.

    1. Re:My Mac crashes, in a worse way by sloth+jr · · Score: 1

      Your system should not be locking up. This sounds like a hardware issue; I haven't experienced system hangs when apps hang at all (though there is some pretty lousy behavior in Lion that can crop up - autosave state can sometimes restore the crashed state, so your app just subsequently crashes over and over again without removing some files down your Library directory).

  73. How you know MS is a problem... by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

    I was discussing MS with someone several years back, and he said "just the fact that we are having this discussion indicates there is a problem." This is so true. But don't treat the word "indicates" as gospel - it's just a strong indicator, not the last word. The more often you get these indications, the more seriously you need to take them.

  74. Bruzzese is a shill and a liar by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    And the article is just more Microsoft propaganda

    Infoworld might at least mentioned this:

    J. Peter Bruzzese
    Peter is a Microsoft MVP, Triple-MCSE, MCT, and MCITP: Enterprise Messaging author and speaker.

    http://www.devconnections.com/conf/speakers.aspx?s=164

    From the article:

    If Microsoft bids to buy patents, it's a patent troll, but if Google does it, it's protecting the great open source Android OS

    Because it's true. How many offensive lawsuits has been filed by Microsoft, or Microsoft proxies such as scox, acaia, or whatever? And how many has google filed? Was Google buying up patents before MS's lawsuit blitz? Google opposes software patents, does Microsoft?

    Since the early 1990s, I've been disgusted with how pop-media rags, such as infoworld put a crazy pro-msft spin on their so-called "news."

    Now Microsoft is playing the victim? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

    All JMHO, of course.

  75. Re:Microsoft Deserves It - MS's shameful history by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    Absolutely, just a few items, off the top of my head, about MS's shameful - and mostly unreported - history.

    1) Microsoft fully funded, and supported the scox-scam right from the begining.

    2) MS outright lied to the US DoJ in video-taped testimony.

    3) MS caught red-handed bribing officials at ISO during

    4) MS caught red-handed astro-turfing on many occasions. My favorite was the letters from dead people campaign.

    5) MS caught paying shills such as Florian Mueller, or Rob Enderle.

    6) MS gets Washington taxpayer to spend $11 million to build a bridge on MS campus

    7) MS fires thousand of US workers in 2009, and replaces those workers with Indian H1Bs in 2009. All the while MS insisting that they could not find any US workers. Watch HDnet, Dan Rather, piece "No Thanks For Everything."

    8) MS patents fat32, and sues TomTom, and B&N.

    I could go on. Point is: media has been overly kind to MS, if anything.

  76. They ALL suck by peppepz · · Score: 1
    Large corporations, all of them, get way less criticism than they deserve.

    Google, Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, etc all suck nowadays. They get propaganda from the media they control, either directly or by astroturfing, and get bashed by the media that are controlled by others.