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Japanese ATMs To Use Palm Readers In Place of Cash Cards
alphadogg writes "A Japanese bank this week said it will introduce ATMs that use palm scanners in place of cash cards. Ogaki Kyoristu Bank said the new machines will allow customers to withdraw or deposit cash and check their balances by placing their hand on a scanner and entering their birthday plus a pin number. The ATMs will initially be installed at 10 banks, as well as a drive-through ATM and two mobile banks. Ogaiki announced the new ATMs with the slogan 'You are your cash card.'"
I can get my fortune read... I wonder how much that adds to the transaction fee
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... there has been an unexplainable increase in muggings resulting in chopping of of hands.
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How do you say that in Japanese?
The most popular nick name in Japan, "Lefty".
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Not sure I want my card permanently attached to me with blood and tendons and stuff.
They won't just take your wallet but also your hand.
Personal Identification Number Number
I assume you also meant ATM Machine?
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In truth though, I really hope they are scanning the sub-dermal print rather than the surface.
The best/easiest 2 factor auth gets (assuming their hardware/ algorithms don't suck) short of an iris scan
Malaysia car thieves steal finger
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I foresee a large number of strong arm robberies, where they make money hand over unclenched fist.
Buddha Palm technique, anyone?
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I bet this is a way to force people to use cellphones, for better tracking of people... both for marketing and for government control. May sound like just a conspiracy theory, but tying payment to an electronic device that has built in tracking just seems like a scheme that is meant to combat crimes related to money. In actual fact, of course, it just makes the crimes different in nature, but that is a different story...
... group in South Dallas that would pop your eye out for a forty. Never mind chopping your hand off.
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At last, a way to profit from the disdain of the fairer sex. A little baby powder on each cheek and a night in the bar should set me up for life.
I used to do a ton of work in a colo facility at a previous company. The colo I worked required you to use the hand scanner to get into and out of the "man trap" by the lobby. This was a problem in two ways:
1. To get to the restroom you had to go through the lobby. No telling how many people would use the restroom and then bypass washing their hands, proceeding directly to the hand scanner and back to the datacenter. You had to put your hand on a metal plate and in my 2years working in this colo, I never saw them once clean that thing.
2. About 8 months into my job, I broke my right hand and it required me to wear a hard cast. The hand scanner was not made for your left hand, but your right hand palm down due to the orientation of some plastic finger pegs. So with a broken hand, not only did I have to call security every time I needed to go through a door, but they called a VP every time i entered the facility.
So good luck if you hurt your right hand or don't want to receive the bacteria from the previous users.
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ATM: "I see a tall well-dressed woman in your future. You better take out more money." (To provide some context for /. readers, "woman" is what your mom is, and when you date well-dressed ones it takes money to keep them happy. A "date" is, well, nevermind. Clean up your bedroom. As long as you live under my roof you follow my rules.)
ATM: "Your sun is in ascencion and all will go well in that fiscal matter you are contemplating. There will be a $2 fee for this transaction."
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Gotta have it done Yakuza style.
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Japanese banks have been using Hitachi's Jomon (finger vein) authentication system for at least five years. It sounds like Fujitsu found a way to get their inferior biometric product into a few banks.
These merciless banks have no concept how hard it is to beat someone down and whack off a hand and then carry it to the ATM with nobody noticing. All that hacking to get the hand off wrecks your clothes and you get all covered with blood every time. You even stand a huge chance of injury or even death if you pick the wrong person to take down and murder. What is a thug to do?
How about just tougher laws against cutting peoples' hands off at the wrist instead? Just a suggestion
Friend here in the office chews her thumb. She's almost been denied entry to the States once or twice as the fingerprint-taker won't get a good reading off a nibbled digit.
So will finger-chewers be able to withdraw their cash? Come to that, how about amputees? Or the remaining thalidomide generation?
"The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes" - Winston Churchill
If they are using palm readers I want to know if they will also being telling fortunes each time you make a transaction.
High five a robot and get paid.
Only Japan would be able to implement palm scanning technology in ATMs while still charging you a fee for using your own bank's ATM outside of the bank's 9am-3pm business hours.
Another funny thing is you are charged the same amount whether you use of of your bank's ATMs(after 3pm) or one of the ones at convenience stores.
Great, now instead of just stealing your card they're going to hold you at gunpoint and take you to the ATM. Plus now they'll know your birthday!
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So this will mean ATM queues are even slower, as people will now have to enter two sets of numbers instead of one. Technology is supposed to improve our lives.
Using biometric identification for ATMs or for building security has been tried many times, but it always turns out to be complex and unreliable. In the late 90s, banks tried to use iris scanners. In 2001, I worked for a company that used fingerprint scanners for building access, instead of key cards. We often had to try numerous times to get a good thumbprint read, so we could get into the building.
The banks, and my company, both replaced these systems with magnetic stripes or RFID...because those technologies, while not so "cool," were more reliable and cheaper. I predict that this Japanese bank will soon be going back to the old ATM cards.
Well, this is another perfect example of fixing what is not broken, instead of improving the system. Everytime I try to get money from an ATM outside of the opening times (of the ATM, not the bank office, mind you) I have to either pay a fee, or on Sundays it is flat out impossible (ATMs running and saying they're out of order). Another example: when I want to pay something, I have to take my card to the ATM, get the money, walk with the money to the convenience store, pay in cash. Why? Why won't you just let me pay with your stupid plastic card, like I can everywhere in Germany (electronic cash, it just works) without fees.
Another example: you can't use online banking in some banks if you have lived less than 6 months in the country. Reason: none. Yet another example: Japanese companies frequently refuse to accept my (english) credit card. Reason: none. "American" companies like Amazon.co.jp don't have such problems, it's magic!
Oh I really look forward how they are going to fuck this up? Palm readers that don't fit non-japanese hands maybe? Palm readers that work only on random days? Palm readers that only work if you lived 10 years in Japan? I'm honestly excited what they are going to cook up!
We've had palm-reader ATMs for a long time. This isn't anything new. Mitubishi's ATM almost all have this. (And JP Post Yucho bank has fingerprint scanners instead). The only thing is that if you restrict your account to only be able to use these type of machines, then you can't use the ATMs at convenience stores.
Well, the Japanese is finally trying to bring their banking system kicking and screaming into the new century. On a recent visit there I must admit I was surprised how backwards their banking system were considering they are light years ahead of everybody else in other departments. I come from a supposedly third-world country (South Africa), but here ATM's just work. You can draw money at any ATM of any bank (if you don't care about cost) and ATMs are open 24/7. Every single ATM in South Africa works with Maestro/VISA electron cards.
Not so Japan:
1) In general, you cannot draw money from another bank's ATM.
2) Some ATM's are only open during business hours.
3) VISA Electron/Maestro card--- be prepared to run around trying to find an ATM.
4) Credit Cards.... you can forget about it.
At least now you will be able to press your paw against the machine, if you find the right machine from the right bank :-)
Tiem to go cut some hands n' palms off people, gear up for the revolution. I'll be rich!
This is a bad idea. Biometrics are passwords that can't be changed.
...so says the Yakuza.