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Why Your IT Spending Is About To Hit the Wall

CowboyRobot writes "For decades, rapid increases in storage, processor speed, and bandwidth have kept up with the enormous increases in computer usage. That could change however, as consumption finally outpaces the supply of these resources. It is instructive to review the 19th-century Economics theory known as Jevons Paradox. Common sense suggests that as efficiencies rise in the use of a resource, the consumption goes down. Jevons Paradox posits that efficiencies actually drive up usage, and we're already seeing examples of this: our computers are faster than ever and we have more bandwidth than ever, yet our machines are often slow and have trouble connecting. The more we have, the even more we use."

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  1. I know what you're talking about by SpaceCadetTrav · · Score: 5, Funny

    Despite technological advancements, it takes forever for Slashdot to load on my phone.

    1. Re:I know what you're talking about by MachDelta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, they broke^h^h^h^h^h^h improved the comment system a while ago. In the name of progress, of course.

    2. Re:I know what you're talking about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      In light of technological advanvements, better bottlenecks are being implemented.

    3. Re:I know what you're talking about by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which shows it isn't the OS or the hardware, its the networks. i have to wonder if the whole "buffer problem" we've been reading about here is about to hit the tipping point as it seems like everything now has big fat buffers built in and as we know the Internet model simply wasn't designed for having large buffers throw the timing all to hell.

      Personally I think it is high time we use an old solution to fix a new problem...bring back the WPA. a lot of our bandwidth problems would disappear if we had nationwide FTTH or at least fiber to the neighborhood. It seems like a great way to put all those sitting at home on unemployment to work and you build it right and just as many bridges built by the WPA in rural areas still work fine so too could a well built fiber network last us for ages. this would also give us the benefits of new businesses springing up to make use of this new resource and finally kill the duopolies that have been hamstringing growth in so many areas of the country because the lines would be open to competition.

      I truly believe if we don't do something radical like bring back the WPA we will end up staying on the short bus to the info superhighway because the corps can make more money by throttling and cherry picking than by actually growing their businesses and in our short sighted corp climate the quarterly reports are all that matters. i know that even though my home town has grown by more than a third neither the cable nor DSL has moved an inch in a good decade or more. They would rather just add caps and sit on the big wads of money than actually add new customers. If we don't change this situation we are gonna end up being left behind so its high time we put those unemployed to work building us a new broadband infrastructure.

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    4. Re:I know what you're talking about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No it's not the networks, it's the morons in charge of the content.

      Slashdot should load 10X faster than it does, but the uneducated developers and designers put in a lot of crap that is not needed to add in "pretty" that does not add to the content at all.

      So slashdot now takes over 10X in bandwidth and processing power to deliver the same content it did 8 years ago. All so I can gave some web 2.0 crap that does nothing at all.

      But it's not just slashdot. ALL websites are bum rushing the add more crap idea. Facebook takes 10X longer to load from 5 years ago, CNN, ESPN, etc.. all of them have went from hiring competent people that understand that adding more data to send to the viewer is bad , to a bunch of morons that use every JS toolkit known to man so I download 40mb of libraries before the page loads. Some JS is useful. Good programmers put in the libraries only what is needed, posers put in the whole damn library. This same trend is on Desktops and phones. android and IOS suffer from this as well.

      It is about to hit the wall because low paid low skill developers are what companies hire compared to highly skilled people that will do it right.

    5. Re:I know what you're talking about by jmorris42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > But it's not just slashdot.

      No it isn't. If the average visitor isn't impacted the devels don't care. But if the average user were impacte dthey would. Which is the problem with the concept under discussion. The belief that bloat MUST be therefore there being nothing that can be done we are all doomed to spend ourselves into poverty fighting a problem that will never exist.

      Because as soon as it becomes a problem, suddenly the average pageview will suddenly be able to shrink in half without impacting usability at all and if that doesn't do it it can cut in half again with minimal impact. And it isn't just webpages, most everything suffers the same bloating. Does a simple little game that was a 50K download on Palm OS really need to be a 1MB app on Android or iOS? Nope. But because users don't care the developers don't care either. And again, if the first part of that statement changes you can bet yer butt the second one will.

      Short version: This is a self correcting non-problem.

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    6. Re:I know what you're talking about by crutchy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      of course everyone loves eye candy, even at the expense of usability and stability

    7. Re:I know what you're talking about by crutchy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      programmers can keep trying to make their software idiot-proof, but society will forever continue making better idiots

    8. Re:I know what you're talking about by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "No it's not the networks, it's the morons in charge of the content."

      In many ways I must agree. I have strenuously protested many of the changes made to Slashdot over the last couple of years, which have seemed to add nothing substantial to usability, and instead have added overhead and time, and actually made it MORE difficult to use.

    9. Re:I know what you're talking about by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Informative

      Does a simple little game that was a 50K download on Palm OS really need to be a 1MB app on Android or iOS?

      Depends on the app. If we're talking about an all-text game, that's a little extreme. On the other hand, if it contains any image assets at all, that is probably not unreasonable.

      Remember that the original Palm hardware had 240 x 160 resolution in black and white. A current-generation iPhone has 960 x 640 resolution in 24-bit color, and it is usually bundled as dual-platform for iPad, which is 2048 x 1536 in 24-bit color. So if that 50k app on Palm were nothing but uncompressed image data, you would expect the iPad/iPhone version of the app to be a whopping 96 megabytes.

      Obviously image compression helps with that, and obviously an app contains content other than image assets, both of which contribute to that being something of an overestimate. That said, using that as an upper bound, a mere one megabyte doesn't sound bad at all.

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  2. There are two schools of thought by bigredradio · · Score: 5, Funny

    From my own observations, there are two schools of thought.

    1. People who think anything older than 6 months is ancient and obsolete.
    2. People who say, "if it ain't broke don't fix it!"

    Seems the former spend their time fixing things and the later spend time bitching about "damn kids" and their lawns.

    1. Re:There are two schools of thought by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

      and you forget those of us in the middle. we buy the 6 month old gear for $0.10 o nthe dollar off of ebay and get to use higher end gear from the used market for lower price.

      No company needs 1000bt for the accounting and sales department. But there is always some moron IT guy out there that thinks they do so they scrap all their perfect 100bt gear. and I snap it up for nothign and sell it to small businesses for a profit.

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    2. Re:There are two schools of thought by Eristone · · Score: 4, Informative

      No company needs 1000bt for the accounting and sales department. But there is always some moron IT guy out there that thinks they do so they scrap all their perfect 100bt gear. and I snap it up for nothign and sell it to small businesses for a profit.

      I see you aren't using more recent accounting and CRM/ERP packages and don't have people pushing multi-megabyte PowerPoint and video presentations around. (or in my case - Sales pushing around vm images of a couple gig) Or people moving between desks from other parts of the company. That moron IT guy that replaces everything with 1000bt gear is sitting there going "There. Now I don't have to worry which switch the conference rooms are plugged into or if the head of HR and the CEO snag someone's office so that person goes to an empty desk to do something... "

    3. Re:There are two schools of thought by HapSlappy_2222 · · Score: 5, Funny

      My lawn's obsolete! Fix it, you damn kids!

  3. Your mileage is not my mileage by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As we in the military, research university, and government spheres move to IPv6 and Internet So Fast It Makes Your Ears Bleed (tm), have you ever considered that perhaps it might be slow for you but not for us?

    I mean 1000 Gbps is considered normal here, and some of us are running on faster connections, using less energy total to do the same thing.

    We rarely print things anymore, and just because you have slower access to resources, you have to realize it could be because, in the war between Urban America and the rest of the country, Urban America with its more efficient energy usage and lower distances traveled - basically won the war.

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    1. Re:Your mileage is not my mileage by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      ... you have to realize it could be because, in the war between Urban America and the rest of the country, Urban America with its more efficient energy usage and lower distances traveled - basically won the war.

      Good. Then you can eat all the Internet you want. We'll keep the food.

      Yours Truly,

      Rural America

      (I'd expand this comment but it takes a long time to get stuff uploaded on our 300 baud lines.)

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    2. Re:Your mileage is not my mileage by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have to ask at 1000 Gbps are your hard drives even able to write that fast ? That's 125 Gigabytes per second, 500 MB/s is pretty good for an SSD. Also, what are you doing that requires that kind of speed?

      We have 8 blade servers with SSDs, each blade keeps most data in DDR3.

      What are we doing? Medical and statistical research. You should see some of the protein folding units.

      DDR3-1600 will give you a peak transfer rate of around 13GB/second. You can get higher throughput by interleaving across banks, but the Xeon 7560 (for example) will peak at around 15GB/sec

      PCIe Gen-3 x8 will deliver around 8GB/second.

      The fastest interconnect I've seen on a blade chassis has 10Gbit ports.

      Are you sure that "1000 Gbps is considered normal here"?

    3. Re:Your mileage is not my mileage by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If Urban America ever stopped providing tax money to Rural America

      ...Urban America would starve to death within a week, while...


      the rioters in the farmlands would run out of gas money in minutes.

      ...The Farmers wouldn't notice for about a month. They buy diesel in bulk and store it in 500-5000 gallon on-site tanks. And while the foreign oil may arrive via barge to NYH and the parasites at the CME take their cut right off the top, the refineries have more to do with "rural" than "urban" as well (though more because no one wants to live near them than location).

      Cities do share resources more efficiently than rural areas. But "more efficient" doesn't actually mean "self sustaining" - That farmer, while sucking 1000x as much energy per acre than the Manhattanite, wouldn't notice if NYC vanished tomorrow. The opposite doesn't hold true.

  4. slow where by magarity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My work Pc is slow and has trouble connecting because of the n layers of Corp security whatnot. My home Pc is reasonably fast and always connects quickly.

  5. Re:How things change, how they stay the same by DarkOx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its still all you ever needed its just not all you'd ever want.

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  6. That was the stupidest thing I've read in a while. by Brannon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not even sure where to start other than to say--technology is only ever adopted broadly if it is cost-effective to do so. The printing press wasn't successful because of some incontrovertible march of progress--it was successful because it was cheaper to make books that way than by having monks transcribe them by hand. Yes, that caused more people to read which drove up the demand for books. And I'm sure some jackass back then wrote an article saying that demand for books was accelerating at a rate that we weren't going to be able to afford enough printing presses anymore.

  7. Human perception by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are limits to what will be demanded, and we have reached them in some areas already. Audio is a good example of this. The storage and bandwidth requirements for good (as in good enough for 99% of the population) audio is now a very small drop in the bucket. How many songs can you fit on a 16 GB micro SD card the size of your fingernail? How many songs can you stream real-time at once on a typical broadband connection? We have surpassed the technical requirements for audio by such a massive margin that it isn't even a consideration when purchasing hardware or bandwidth.

    There are limits to video too. These so-called "retina" displays are a good example of the resolution limit of the human eye (we passed the color depth perception limit a good decade ago). The eye cannot discern individual pixels within the normal focal range (by the time you bring it close enough to the eye to make out individual pixels, the eye can no longer keep it in focus). We have a long ways to go to be able to store and stream video at such high resolution. However we will reach it before too long. Then it's a matter of how many hours / days of video do you need to store on how small of a device, and how many video streams do you need at one time over your internet connection.

    One day we'll be moving and storing movie-length retina-resolution video with the same flippant ease as MP3s today. When we've reached that point, what would we need more bandwidth and storage for? Not for anything by human consumption - and that is the key factor.

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  8. IT spending dropping dramatically by DogDude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In our company, IT spending is actually dropping, even as we expand. The cost of used hardware is insanely low because of all of the individuals and companies who still feel the need to buy "new" equipment so rapidly. We have no problems running Pentium 4's and Windows XP throughout our business, and wil do so for the foreseeable future.. We've moved our email/backup/web hosting services out to providers, and all of that is sill insanely cheap. Tech has actually exceeded our needs, so our IT spending has dropped significantly. Keep buying new machines every few years, people! We're loving buying your completely functional equipment at yard sale prices!

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  9. Peak Computing? by slew · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If I gather what this article is speculating on, it's a phenomena similar to peak-oil.

    Peak-oil doesn't necessarily mean that you run-out of oil, it just means that the marginal cost of producing more oil reaches a point which causes the rate of oil production to decrease. In the backdrop of increasing demand, and limited supply this implies a sharp downturn in availability of oil at historical prices.

    If applied to computing, it would imply a limit to computing resources. I don't think we are there (although computing takes lots of electrical power and there seems to be enough semiconductor manufacturing capacity for the moment), but we may be at a point where demand increases beyond the rate at which technology can keep it on its historical increasing MIP/$ trend. If this MIP/$ trend flattens out, it may be difficult to find funding for new technological advances and fundamentally change the market for computing.