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Scientific Cruise Meets Perfect Storm, Inspires Extreme Wave Research

An anonymous reader writes "The oceanographers aboard RRS Discovery were expecting the winter weather on their North Atlantic research cruise to be bad, but they didn't expect to have to negotiate the highest waves ever recorded in the open ocean. Wave heights were measured by the vessel's Shipborne Wave Recorder, which allowed scientists from the National Oceanography Centre to produce a paper titled 'Were extreme waves in the Rockall Trough the largest ever recorded?' It's that paper, in combination with the first confirmed measurement of a rogue wave (at the Draupner platform in the North Sea), that led to 'a surge of interest in extreme and rogue waves, and a renewed emphasis on protecting ships and offshore structures from their destructive power.'"

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  1. 2 theories at once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    This scientific cruise also proved that the only kind of cruise where nobody gets laid is a "scientific cruise"

    1. Re:2 theories at once by busyqth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not at all.
      The guys up on deck thought they were looking at rough seas, but down below... well, when the boat starts a rockin' don't come a knockin', if you get my drift.

  2. How high were the waves?!? by cplusplus · · Score: 4, Informative

    I only RTFAs to find out how high the waves were - it turns out they were up to 29.1 meters (95.5 feet).

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    1. Re:How high were the waves?!? by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 2

      I RTFA for the same reason, and obtained the same result. But when I got deeper into TFA, I found that Cape Horn had mysteriously moved to Africa, and now I am confused. About how that could possibly have happened. And about whether any of the new knowledge I had gained could be trusted.

      It takes a REALLY BIG wave to move that much geography that far, I guess.

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  3. more facts from the article by doug141 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Under severe gale force conditions with wind speeds averaging 21 ms a shipborne wave recorder measured individual waves up to 29.1 m from crest to trough, and a maximum significant wave height of 18.5 m.

    1. Re:more facts from the article by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Funny

      Under severe gale force conditions with wind speeds averaging 21 ms a shipborne wave recorder measured individual waves up to 29.1 m from crest to trough, and a maximum significant wave height of 18.5 m.

      Can you convert that to the slashdot standard unit of measurement, Libraries of Congress? Also, if you could provide a car analogy too that would be great. Thanks!

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    2. Re:more facts from the article by Ambiguous+Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      0.59 Libraries of Congress from fender to fender.

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  4. Rogue waves by gstrickler · · Score: 2, Funny

    Outlaw them and put out a bounty (or a Bounty?)

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    1. Re:Rogue waves by jd · · Score: 2

      If they're X-Men-style Rogue, Playboy might be willing to pay you for pics.

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    2. Re:Rogue waves by tunapez · · Score: 2

      Or you could ensure their long-term survival by declaring 'War' on them...

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  5. 2006 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article was published in 2006. How is this 'new?'

    1. Re:2006 by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 2

      The wave was so high that the ship did a loopty-loop, causing a rift in time where they just ended up here. The same phenomenon can be seen if you can swing high enough on a swingset to go around once

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  6. For those that are interested... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    look up Schrodinger wave equations and apply them to ocean waves. You will get 30+ meter tall waves with a trough next to the "wall" of water, (the wave is tall and narrow - like a wall). This trough adds to the great difficulty in surviving one of these waves. Ships that are designed to withstand forces of 10 tons/m2 have to content with 10 times that force. I believe there was a study in which someone, (don't remember her name :( ) mapped the entire earth over a two week period and found something on the order of 20 of these waves. Fascinating stuff.

    1. Re:For those that are interested... by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh yeah, just found it. They found about 10 giant waves.

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  7. Dead men tell no tales by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

    For those looking for more details about this voyage http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/294/

  8. Weird by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

    Rogue waves: Demonstrating yet again that reality is a fascinatingly weird place.

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    1. Re:Weird by iamhassi · · Score: 2

      Rogue waves: Demonstrating yet again that reality is a fascinatingly weird place.

      And we don't understand our planet as much as we think. We are always focused on exploring strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly... um, you get the idea, but look, there's new things happening on our own planet. How can we understand new planets when we don't understand the one we are on? Not saying never explore space, just saying maybe we should focus on what we have.

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  9. Big waves by MarkRose · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Waves over 20 m (60 ft) tall are actually pretty common in some places. My dad is senior keeper at Triple Island Lightstation, located just off the BC coast. In severe winter storms, the waves will often crest over the square part of the building, which is about 20 m above sea level. This January, one such wave blew in a storm window on the top floor -- several tons of water will sometimes do that. The building stays up because it's constructed with 2 ft thick rebar concrete walls.

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    1. Re:Big waves by tirerim · · Score: 5, Informative

      TFA is talking about waves in the open ocean, though. Waves get higher when they reach shallower water, so the 20 m waves you're talking about would have been significantly smaller in the open ocean -- which makes 29 m open ocean waves that much more impressive.

  10. Re:Mondatory: Vids or, ..... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Funny

    ....... it didn't happen!! :D

    Yeah, the authors were probably diluted.

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  11. Re:Rogue waves. by TheLink · · Score: 3, Funny

    That happens all the time because when everyone else is running away the crazy photographers are crouching/standing there clicking away and thinking of the shot.

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  12. Re:I thought bigger waves had been found... by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Tasman sea is notorious for rouge waves. Many moons ago I worked a fishing trawler in Bass Straight, I never saw anything like 120ft but the regular waves were tall enough that the radar was blocked by the peaks when the boat was in a trough, I'm guessing the radar mast was about 30ft above the water line. A lot like riding in a giant roller coaster carriage really, slowly climb up one wave, crest, then race down the other side and watch the bow dig under the next one, throw the water over the wheel house as the bow pops up to the surface, and starts the next climb. From what I've heard, the problem with rouge waves is not so much their height but the fact that they are too steep to climb.

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  13. bad statistics by Tom · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What has fascinated me about freak/rogue waves is that sailors have known about them for decades if not centuries, but scientists were telling them it can't be.

    And the reason is badly understood statistics. I've recently read Black Swan, and that gave me a few new concepts to work with, but the basic idea is exactly that: We don't really have a good understanding of statistics and probabilities, especially about extremely low probabilities in big numbers.

    Or, as Tim Minchin put it: One-in-a-million things happen all the time.

    And it's not just in the oceans. The entire financial crisis was caused by the people in charge taking huge (but low probability) risks, ignoring that once enough people have taken enough of those "low probability" risk, they become very likely to actually happen.

    Freak waves are cool because they are in the gray area between the normal distribution and the really freaky - thus they happen often enough that they are rare, but not bigfoot-rare. We can actually study them.

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    1. Re:bad statistics by edxwelch · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There's an interesting article about that, here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/freakwave.shtml
      Apparently, there are two scientific models, linear, which says freak waves are impossible and Quantum physics which says they are possible.

  14. Re:I thought bigger waves had been found... by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

    I detect a hint of sarcasm but to be honest it was downright fucking scary the first trip but after a few trips it became as exciting to me as an old fashioned roller coaster is to the guy who stands up on it all day operating the brake. Although a stingray the size of a family dinner table flapping about on an 8X12 deck was never boring.

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  15. Halsey's "second" typhoon, June 1945 by dtmos · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My uncle retired as a US Navy Captain. For many years he had two photographs displayed in his house, which he ascribed to Admiral "Bull" Halsey's "second" typhoon, in June 1945. At that time my uncle was an ensign, assigned to a destroyer, and on his first sea voyage.

    The two photographs were of a sister destroyer. In the first photograph, all one sees is a giant wave, with the bow of the destroyer sticking out of one side, and the stern sticking out of the other. The middle of the ship, including the masts and superstructure, is submerged and not visible.

    In the second photo, taken a few seconds later, the middle of the ship is now visible, but both the bow and stern are now submerged in the wave train. And as a kid, the part that fascinated me the most: You could see an air gap below the middle of the ship, between the ship's keel and the wave trough below.

    1. Re:Halsey's "second" typhoon, June 1945 by clay_buster · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Those would be great pictures to get scanned and posted somewhere!

  16. Re:The interesting thing by dave420 · · Score: 2

    Ever heard of "confirmation bias"? Myths very rarely indeed end up being "scientific fact".

  17. Re:The interesting thing by notcreative · · Score: 2

    Most myths have an element of truth in them.

    This is a myth.