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CISPA Sponsor Says Protests Are Mere 'Turbulence'
SolKeshNaranek writes with news that Representative Mike Rogers (R-MI), sponsor of CISPA, has decided to tempt fate by referring to the protests that are springing up as 'turbulence on the way down to landing.' From the article:
"What really comes through in the article — which mostly talks about how Rogers has been supposedly working with Google to change some of the language in the bill to make it more acceptable -- is how little concern Rogers has for the public. Instead, most of the article just talks about how he's been working with tech companies to make sure they're okay with the bill. And while that's a start, it's no surprise that lots of tech companies would be okay with CISPA, because it grants them broad immunity if they happen to hand over all sorts of private info to the government. But to then call the protests mere 'turbulence' is pretty damned insulting to the actual people this will impact the most: the public, whose privacy may be violated."
So much for the idea that politicians effected the will of the people. He's been working with CORPORATIONS to make sure that CORPORATIONS don't have any problem with the LEGISLATION that is put upon THE CITIZENS.
As for the opinion of CITIZENS? -- Who gives a fuck?
Why... why didn't you vote for Ron Paul...
How about working with _the people_ to make sure they're okay with the bill?
Since when has Rogers had ANY concern for anything other than their bottom line?
Telcom companies don't care about public opinion. They don't have to; they've carved up the country into their own spheres of influence, much like Europe carved up China in the 19th century. If I want an internet connection to my house, I have exactly two choices, who offer suspicously similar pricing schemes. Regulators should be looking into this, but they won't because they're being paid too much money to look the other way.
It's incredibly frustrating that these 'sponsors' will continue to ram legislation down our collective throats such as this, when it clearly is against the general good and serves only private interests. Even if a bill such as SOPA gets defeated in the public spotlight thanks to major protest campaigning, it just shows up a couple months later under a different name. The tragedy is you can't get people interested in fighting 'the man' every week. I was very pleasantly surprised by the general outcry when SOPA was being pushed through, but I seriously doubt you can rally that kind of support every time these legislators bow to lobbying pressure and essentially copypasta their last draconian bill and rename it without any effort at all. How are you supposed to fight this kind of system (a term I generally avoid in this kind of context, but is rather fitting), when it's painfully obvious that the common man really has far too little say in government?
Either we all stop buying movies and music for a few years so the MPAA and RIAA go bankrupt, or we shoot them all... I'm fine either way.
Time to up the ante and cause a microburst. That has always been known to help craft on approach to landing.
...shoutdown the politicians that would suggest the government has a right in the first place. Always hold them accountable. (thats the goal)
Not that the Dems are much better, but they aren't so brazen in their total disdain for informed voters. Pure evil vs the possibility of some hidden discarded and ignored goodwill is 2 two party choice. Today's voters are indeed offered options at the polls; between Vader or the Emperor himself. Maybe they will both destroy each other in the end. Or did George decide to fuck with that too?
Representative Mike Rogers
Why don't the US instate public representatives in addition to the current corporate representatives?
It seems like such an easy solution to this representation issue you guys are having.
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But here you are wrong. With SOPA, the public at large managed to find -- finally, I might add -- the supreme spot where to exercise influence over legislation. See, if corporations control politics, it's no use trying to influence politics directly. But if we can influence the politics corporations push for, which we demonstrably can, we can influence politics. Therefore, your point that people don't matter anymore is false.
... In other news, the Senator woke up to find the ghost of internet past in his room, carrying a very long chain, each one forged from a civil liberty removed.... Rogers dismissed the entire affair as turbulent, and was shortly after killed by a mob of angry young boys on crutches, which is how Dickenson would have ended it if he'd had to role play with Rogers, who has the character flaw "Turbulent."
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Mike Rogers: "The will of the people will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that democracy has been dissolved permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away forever."
Barack Obama: "But that's impossible! How will we maintain control without the illusion of people having a voice?"
Mike Rogers: "The regional CEO's now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local populations in line. Fear of having their personal information leaked with immunity."
Barack Obama: "Excellent. Everything is proceeding exactly as I have forseen it..."
"So after all this, you make my case for me. To end this stalemate, you must die..."
Pollies will get burnt!
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Well, if that doesn't spell out his perception that he is in a class above the rest of us, nothing else does. Amazing arrogance.
Still, I'd guess we are only at about 8%... probably less... the rest of the world still has no idea what's going on.
Why are so many /.ers insisting that Dems are less guilty than the Republicans in this fight we've recently been having over internet freedom. SOPA/PIPA had some bipartison support (and opposition) but it was mostly the Democrates bill. Check out this informative wikipedia article. Both sides are equally full of currupt assholes stop giving one side a free pass just because you think they're ideallistically superior. Idealism doesn't mean shit when you have two wolves (the politcal parties) and a sheep (the people) deciding what's for dinner. They mainly just argue about how they're going to cook us.
Enough turbulence, and the whole bill will come crashing down in flames, killing the reelection prospects of all on board.
Hundreds have been killed in crashes due to turbulence.
Physical (armed) revolution + north american military budgets == slaughter. We no longer live in a world where a band of freedom fighters with rifles can fight the army.
this is yet another proof.
You fail'd hard and you did not learn and fail again.
It works because US invaders are on their side.
Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
You voted for these rightwing extremists, you then have to accept the consequences when they make bad laws to reward their backers.
Don't like tyranny? Don't vote for extremists. Simple.
...at some point Iran's internet will be better than yours if it continues like this.
Depends on how many are onboard if the revolution happens. If it's big enough, you'd be surprised. Tanks, aircraft, drones, humvees, etc. all need that precious fuel. Ammuntion doesn't magically come out of nowhere. Same with food. Watch what happens to morale when troops don't get to eat much after a week or two.
If popular support drops out, the military only has about three months tops to get things back in order. (Provided there isn't any outside support.) And that's if the military stays together in this situation.
Past the two month point with no fresh supplies, a modern military would have scant in the way of resources that would allow it to use its top tier weapons. Everything would soon fall on the infantry, which greatly levels the playing field. (Sure they'll still have bigger guns, but it doesn't count for much vs. insurgents that wisely pick when and where to fight.) Particularly if resource centers like depots and such are destroyed by the resistance movement. Without civilian support, it seems doubtful that military itself has enough people that can run or repair factories, farms, and refineries to keep the war machine going.
As far as the topic of revolution goes other than the military aspect... Most people have decided against it because of the odds of the replacement gov't being worse. (Religious wackos, authoritarians, various doctrine establishments, or just simply a shism of a large nation into many weaker smaller ones that may be under control of equally bad governments.) When it finally does get to the point where it appears it can't get much worse (counting those scenarios) - that's when you should look out for things to really start happening beyond mere protests.
In some ways, I think the best we could hope for during a revolution (if it happens) is that the military (wisely) chooses to stand down, many "representatives" end up on trial for treason against the nation and citizenry, and the constitution gets revitalized as bad laws are repealed and more protections against corruption are put into place. But whether or not that's what actually happens remains to be seen.
serve. Nice. Well, at least he's saying what he honestly believes. It's the same opinion the MPAA has. The major lesson learned from the SOPA debacle by the MPAA according to their lobbyist in chief is that they need to make sure to get tech. companies on-board. No mention of fatally flawed legislation; no mention of stupefying ignorance of how the internet actually works; no mention of the curtailing of the rights of the people. Nope, they just need to buy off the right companies and politicians regardless of right or wrong. Fuck the people. They are just chattel and serfs anyhow. They have no real power. That's the lesson learned. Well I hope it's the wrong one.
I felt like real people were real pissed and maybe we'd finally had enough of corporations shoving unfavorable legislation down our throats. But, it's hard to say. The problem is that sustaining that kind of scrutiny and passion is near impossible. So, the lobbyists might be right. Just wait until the "noise" settles down and then when the public falls asleep sneak the legislation in through the back door via some renamed seemingly unrelated bill. Sigh. How do we stop this madness?
This is what "freedom" and "democracy" really mean -- nothing to prevent rich companies and their paid lackeys in government from pulling things like this.
If congressmen had mandatory public election financing (no "democracy" for the rich), and government was strong enough to be able to destroy "copyright industry" (no "freedom", "small government" and other dumb ideas that weaken the government and make it dependent on rich people and companies), no one would ever bother conflating security with rent-seeking and racketeering. The worst you will have to deal with, would be garden variety privacy issues -- ones that actually can be discussed when politicians aren't begging the rich to pay for their election ads.
Now privacy is going to Hell anyway, but on top of this, all parasites are getting a free ride with obscenely expanded copyright enforcement and intimidation of the public.
Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
but don't forget, sometimes turbulence causes things to crash. We caused enough "turbulence" to make SOPA/PIPA go sit on a shelf for a while.
Why are so many /.ers insisting that Dems are less guilty than the Republicans in this fight we've recently been having over internet freedom.
Not less guilty - "Differently" guilty.
The Republicans want to take our money and freedoms and, ideally, would have us all living as mindless zombie serfs to the Corporate Police state.
The Democrats want to take our money and freedoms and, ideally, would have us all living as politically correct zombies who don't want to float to the top (and aggressively push down those who do).
Both sides "hate our freedom" far more than the bogeyman of the week, and will take any steps necessary to strip us of what little sense of individuality we cling to.
The religious and corporate welfare US is a plutocrat republic. ... for US.
IOW: Forget freedom, capitalism, democracy
The religious welfare US will call out their minions to strike fear into the masses and (when needed) kill any patriots.
The corporate welfare US will call out their lawyers and politicians to economically strangle and torture small business and individuals into submission.
When the entitled fools like Rush, Ted, Glenn ... and congressional politicians got your back, you're more than likely royally fycked.
Unaccountable leaders are masters, and unrepresented people are slaves. How do US and EU fare?
Let me point out what that would look like: Remember Gabrielle Giffords? A judge and a rep were shot, and a completely innocent kid got killed at the same time. You're talking about that times a thousand?
When Giffords was shot, we, as a nation, decided we didn't like that. (Or was the outpouring of sympathy just a fabrication by corporate-owned media?)
I'm sure your revolution will be completely different than that because your revolution will be based on rational grievances like copyright law, rather than schizo lunacy. And you'll only go after those awful, horrible, oppressors who no one likes. Also, your marksmanship is so much better that little kids won't get killed in your crossfire.
There's a perfect xkcd for my sig but I'm too lazy to look it up. sudo someone go find it.
Or the 99%, or the little people, or whatever. Thus it will be until the oil runs out and the current governments fall. The "good" news is that the price increase/energy return gets so horrible so fast that this could happen before 20 years is out.
Cheers!
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You seriously fail to understand the differences between SOPA and CISPA.
You also fail to understand that the army of supporters you think is behind you just isn't there. SOPA got millions worked up because of the things that distinguish it from SOPA.
... from CISPA.
I believe you're looking for the third article on the left
You have 3 choices:
- Live with it
- Wait for a higher power to bail you out of it
- Take their fucking heads and the heads of their children until it stops
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Successful revolutions are successful because elements of the military side with their family members over the government. This applies to anywhere barring outside aid. When Tommy figures out that the 'terrorists' he is expected to shoot are his cousins, sisters, brothers, grandfathers and what not he has to decide where his loyalties are. During a revolution the loyalties for many soldiers will be with family and when this happens en masse the old government is over. Period. Also over would be the old level of civil order, economy, social services of every kind and individual standards of living and health.
We don't need a new government. We need the old government. You know, the one of the people, by the people, and FOR the people? The one that had a constitution that said no torturing would ever be allowed. Where the constitution said the government could never arrest anyone without just cause and a warrant issued by a judge. Where no one could be searched (or wiretapped) without just cause and a warrant issued by a judge. The one where if the government did arrest anyone they could not be held incognito (disappeared) and had to be allowed access to their lawyers, visitors and family?
You know, the one that used to be THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
As for the parents comment that a revolution only puts extremist nutcases in power (what he really meant) :
Yep, Just like, oh, I don't know... THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION ??
Its time to save ourselves people. We need a new political party that doesn't follow the examples of any of the existing political parties. Not the republicans, or the democrats, or the libertarians or the greens.
No government is ever perfect. The USA's older government had its problems too, corruption, discrimination and the like, but the current government has completely abandoned even the pretense of following the constitution and is becoming a totalitarian state. And it happened (is happening) under both the Bush and Obama administrations
We need a political party that represents the original intent of the constitution: THAT ALL PEOPLE ARE CREATED EQUAL, AND THAT THIS DEMOCRACY SHALL NOT PERISH FROM THIS EARTH.
The initial goals of this party would be:
Step 1 - pass laws declaring that no company has the same rights as a human
Step 2 - make lobbying by businesses illegal
step 3 - make taking any gifts, no matter how small, even lunch, a felony for any law making representative, local, state, or federal.
step 4 - make it illegal to pass any law that exempts any law making representatives,( local, state, or federal) from laws the rest of the population has to follow.
step 5 - pass a law that says that any laws passed by any law making representative, (local, state, or federal) which increase the benefits (pay, health ins etc..) will not be applied to any of the reps in office at the time the law is passed. It will only be applied to the next rep to take that same office. So if a rep is in office at the time a salary increase is passed, they do not get that increase, Ever. Their pay and benefits are stuck at the level they were at when they entered office, except for any increase that wew passed before they got elected or appointed. Note that says "before elected or appointed" not "before taking office"
Step 6 - pass a law which makes it illegal for anyone who gives or attempts to give a rep a gift or a bribe to ever own or run or manage a business or part of a business again in their lifetime.
Step 7 - make quid pro quo exchanges a felony with a lifetime sentence.
step 8 - form an auditing corp branch of government. These individuals must be willing to have every moment of their life recorded, be well paid, and will have the power to investigate anyone, or anything at anytime for any kind of corruption. They will have the power to ask for and immediately receive any information they ask for. And if they do not receive it, they have the power to bring in any branch of the military they need to enforce their requests.
Step 9 - Remove all judges who cannot separate themselves from any childhood religious indoctrination from the Supreme court. Indeed, any Judge who cannot, should be immediately replaced by an Atheist (satan worshipping, baby eating etc.. ). Note - the vast majority of the US population is Protestant Christian. Why then does the the Supreme Court of all the land consist of 6 catholics and 3 jews? These people were all raised in religious cultures which indoctrinate them to polarized, extremeist, fantasy based views of reality. Examples - "God gave the country to us for our exclusive use! Even though most of us lef
...deception. And that techniques is to go to a higher abstract level of a structure to effect a lower level but to remain isolated, protected from that lower level.
The same sort of deceptions the Occupy Wall Street protesters and movement are addressing.
Hence the disagreements of non-corporate citizens is "turbulence" - without lots of money, we are simply moving air.
The disagreements of cows, however, would be "flatulence" - moving air again.
Of course, here is his official contact info: http://mikerogers.house.gov/Contact/
start making "concerned citizen" phone calls. Remember to be assertive, but polite. Just remember, his PRIVILEGE of being on congressman is dependent on your RIGHT to vote.
And yet corporations write checks, while citizens pick up guns. Wonder who the politician will think butters his bread then?
If not us, who? If not now, when?
The Internet will successfully route around it.
Your post started off good, but then you wrote the rest of it.
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There's some truth to what you're saying, but history does not uniformly support your claim, and there are so many variables that you cannot determine that result follows from the cause, revolution.
For example, take Gandhi. He put together a coalition of many parties who disagreed on many policies but which were united in the desire to get rid of the British. So they conducted a campaign of non-violence and non-cooperation that compelled the UK to leave. The United States is not India, but recent shifts brought about by the Tea Party, Occupy Wall Street, and even the SOPA protest indicate Washington DC is not as monolithic as many suppose and can be moved.
I would not like a post-revolution order imposed by the Tea Party and they would probably dislike many things I would do, but we all agree that this Republic, as currently constituted, has ceased to do its job. We ought to be able to put together a new constitutional convention to craft the American Constitution 2.0 for the next 200 years.
If not us, who? If not now, when?
You seriously fail to understand the differences between SOPA and CISPA.
You also fail to understand that the army of supporters you think is behind you just isn't there. SOPA got millions worked up because of the things that distinguish it from SOPA.
No I don't. You fail to be able to read. The only point of similarity is that the two exemplify the disdain for the public with which legislators and lobbyist propose legislation. SOPA is piracy and CISPA is privacy. I also never claimed to have millions of supporters. Now please go off and doing something useful like take some remedial literacy courses.
Try to make up your mind. Either you follow your Constitution, in which case your proposed religious test for holding a public office is illegal, or you don't, in which case why are you complaining when others won't either? Unless, of course, you are saying that your cause is worthwhile enough to warrant an exception while all others should still be bound by it? And then others say the same and you're right back at the current situation.
Again, try to make up your mind.
This is just a guess, but perhaps other people simply aren't as obsessed with religion as you? And its odd that you would worry about the underrepresentation of protestants in a body you propose barring them from entirely.
At this point I can't tell if you're trolling or high.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
Those countries' militaries are pathetic compared to the arsenal of long-range weaponry the US military can launch at the push of a button (and I'm not even talking about nukes). A few drones is nothing compared to that.
as you said a few years ago i was in the massive blackout for weeks. and to be honest it was not so bad and i was in the city. we even had access to fuel the local gas station owner managed to convert his fuel pump to manual operation. i don't think we had any riots or looting. i used my car as a generator and battery charger. so i even had a small tv to watch. but for the most part i just was very drunk lol.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin
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Thank you for citing that I couldn't remember who said it.
What difference does it make what the motivation was? The action taken was the same.
And for most people who aren't criminally sociopathic, there is, and should be, a huge gap between "no love for..." and "shooting and killing".
There's a perfect xkcd for my sig but I'm too lazy to look it up. sudo someone go find it.
> "Your post started off good, but then you wrote the rest of it."
:)
MIB, 1997 "Eat me."