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Alan Turing Papers On Code Breaking Released By GCHQ

peetm writes "Two 70-year-old papers by Alan Turing on the theory of code breaking have been released by the government's communications headquarters, GCHQ. It is believed Turing wrote the papers while at Bletchley Park working on breaking German Enigma codes. A GCHQ mathematician said the fact that the contents had been restricted 'shows what a tremendous importance it has in the foundations of our subject.'"

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  1. No direct links in the TFA by batrick · · Score: 1

    I can't find any links to the "released" papers. No fanfare on http://www.gchq.gov.uk/.

    Anyone?

    1. Re:No direct links in the TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    2. Re:No direct links in the TFA by GumphMaster · · Score: 2

      The two papers are now available to view at the National Archives at Kew, west London.

      Published is a very broad term.
      Paper on statistics of repetitions by A M Turing
      Report on the applications of probability to cryptography by A M Turing

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    3. Re:No direct links in the TFA by Endovior · · Score: 4, Informative

      Available to the public =/= full text freely available online. You need to show up in person and request access, or submit a form online requesting access, paying a fee either way. I don't really want to create an account with the national archives just for the purpose of seeing how big that fee is; but if any UK slashdotters are interested enough to go through that process and order a copy, it would be interesting to know just how much they're charging.

    4. Re:No direct links in the TFA by JaneTheIgnorantSlut · · Score: 3, Funny

      Turing is probably spinning in his grave trying to decode the meaning of the words "available" and "public" in the archive's announcements.

    5. Re:No direct links in the TFA by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Informative

      Medium option: Paper copies

      Why didn't you order the digital, downloadable option? I did, and they estimate came back to 0 (i.e. free).

      That said, I still don't have a link for the download.

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    6. Re:No direct links in the TFA by kylog · · Score: 1

      Why didn't you order the digital, downloadable option? I did, and they estimate came back to 0 (i.e. free).

      That said, I still don't have a link for the download.

      Odd. I requested digital, downloadable versions of both docs yesterday, and today received an estimate of 25.20 pounds for one doc and 126.20 pounds for the other. Which I'm certainly not going to pay. I assume they'll just put it online at some point.

    7. Re:No direct links in the TFA by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Odd. I requested digital, downloadable versions of both docs yesterday, and today received an estimate of 25.20 pounds for one doc

      Right, and this is a good place to correct myself: I finally got an e-mail from the with the same estimate. I swear that, while making the order on their website, the estimate was 0.

      Anyhow, I stand utterly and miserably corrected.

      Fuck.

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  2. Alan Turing's Work by alanmeyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Alan Turing's work continues to demonstrate "what a tremendous importance it has in the foundations" of computing technology in general, not just crypto.

    1. Re:Alan Turing's Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Even if he was, it wouldn't be of any note. It doesn't fucking matter.

    2. Re:Alan Turing's Work by spongman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      yes, noteworthy in that he showed it's possible to be gay, be persecuted by neanderthals and still be one of the most influential thinkers of our time.

      thankfully he's wasn't also a stupid fucking slashdot troll, or we might all be Nazis right now.

    3. Re:Alan Turing's Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh, I'm so hurt because a fag defender cried about my post. The dude was a fudge packing pervert. Get over it

      Given all the evidence about the negative health effects of smoking, I can't see how anybody can defend fags these days.
      Especially by, of all people, those who work in food/confection preparation and service jobs.

    4. Re:Alan Turing's Work by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The self sacrifice of that "fudge packer", along with the sacrifice of millions of other men and women, is what kept the 1000 Year Reich from even reaching 10.

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    5. Re:Alan Turing's Work by Roachie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When I hear Alan Turing I think code breaking, computer science, cutting edge math. When AC hears Alan Turing he thinks... gay sex. Me thinks thou doth protest too much.

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    6. Re:Alan Turing's Work by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Also, FYI: Not all homosexuals pack fudge. Many of them never do.

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    7. Re:Alan Turing's Work by Brian+Feldman · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Oh, please, like the Nazi party could do worse than the USA currently does?

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    8. Re:Alan Turing's Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A study measured arousal (by measuring penile circumference) in exclusively heterosexual men in response to various kinds of pornographic image. They found a clear correlation between homophobia and homosexual arousal.

      So yes, other AC is a fag.

    9. Re:Alan Turing's Work by abigsmurf · · Score: 1

      Although the law he was prosecuted under was wrong. He would've lost his security clearance even if he hadn't. He had an incredibly high level of security clearance and he would've been a top target for Soviet agents. Given the public perception of homosexual behaviour at the time, it would've made him easy prey for blackmailing (I believe having an affair could get your clearance revoked too).

      The Soviets were using Enigma for their codes (they didn't know it was broken and it was better than what they were using), The secret services couldn't afford any risks. As much as the paranoia destroyed the lives of good people, it was done in the belief it would save far more lives.

    10. Re:Alan Turing's Work by dkf · · Score: 1

      If someone is subjected to videos that provokes extreme feelings of disgust or anger, it's probably reasonable to assume that all sorts of hormones and chemicals get released into the blood. Some of these could be responsible for the increase in [penile] girth.

      Sounds like you've got the theme for some prize-winning research right there! Admittedly, it'd probably be the Ig Nobel Prize but it'd still be something...

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    11. Re:Alan Turing's Work by abigsmurf · · Score: 1

      ... How is that any worse than the other study? A study designed to identify the cause is certainly better than one that is ripe for confirmation bias with a correlation = causation conclusion.

    12. Re:Alan Turing's Work by MisterMidi · · Score: 1

      Soviets? Don't you mean the Germans?

    13. Re:Alan Turing's Work by abigsmurf · · Score: 2

      Nope, the Soviets. After WW2 they found all the abandoned Enigma machines, realised how advanced they were and decided to use them themselves. It's one of the reasons it took so long for Turing's work to be declassified.

    14. Re:Alan Turing's Work by MisterMidi · · Score: 1

      I can't find any info on that. Got a link?

    15. Re:Alan Turing's Work by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

      When I hear code breaking, computer science, and cutting edge math, I think gay sex.

      But I'm odd that way, I guess.

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    16. Re:Alan Turing's Work by abigsmurf · · Score: 1

      Was on the BBC documentary on Bletchley Park called "code breakers" which went into huge detail on what the codes were, how they worked and the process for breaking them. Had a big focus on the the rest of the people in Turing's team who aren't as much a household name but did work that was arguably just as key as his.

      Really interesting program, worth tracking down and watching.

    17. Re:Alan Turing's Work by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      It's interesting this thread is 2 away from the Neal Stehpenson thread. Go read Cryptonomicon for a fictionalized account of Turing's efforts in WWII.

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    18. Re:Alan Turing's Work by MarkvW · · Score: 2

      I fully agree with your post, but it was all so stupid. Turing was a super-high value espionage target even after his security clearance was revoked.

      And his sexual tendencies didn't get in the way of Turing's assistance in a real, shooting, war--where the very existence of GB was at stake.

      When the WWII ended and the obligatory continuing war was just a "cold" war, the elite figured they could dispense with him, and they did.

    19. Re:Alan Turing's Work by MisterMidi · · Score: 1

      Thanks. I think this is the one.

    20. Re:Alan Turing's Work by Roachie · · Score: 1

      So what you are saying is when you watch gay porn you get all ... hormonal and erect?

      Hm.

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  3. what else is there ? by johnjones · · Score: 1

    one wonders what else is there if they are only releasing these now ?

    regards

    John Jones

  4. British Governments Crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I love how Turing articles never mention what the British did to him. Still makes me sick every time I think about it.

    This is how humans treat their best and brightest.

    1. Re:British Governments Crime by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      and in the year 2000 oral sex was illegal in 18 states, but most people did it anyway. turn the clock back to 1970 and it was illegal in almost all states, and most people did it anyway.

    2. Re:British Governments Crime by dmomo · · Score: 2

      Most people? You must be new here.

    3. Re:British Governments Crime by _Shad0w_ · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm British and I didn't do anything to him. I repeatedly point out what the British government of the time did to him - I don't care if he technically took his own life, the government killed him after all they did to him.

      It should be noted it wasn't just him they did it to, they did the same thing to lots of homosexual men. People just care/notice more about it with him because he did such high profile war work. I'm sure you can find examples of anonymous homosexual men who received similar treatment and served during the war in more routine capacities.

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  5. Genius recognition by tomhath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Alan Turing just had brilliant ideas way ahead of their time which were terribly important to the future of the world if you like," Mr Harper said.

    I kinda wish geniuses like Turing were rewarded as well as a second string shortstop or bench warming basketball player.

    1. Re:Genius recognition by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Curly Joe can slam dunk and is one of the finest scientific minds in the universe, according to Professor Farnsworth.

    2. Re:Genius recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ...then you probably won't want to hear about how he WAS treated.

    3. Re:Genius recognition by mSparks43 · · Score: 1

      It's almost a moral obligation to pirate these.

    4. Re:Genius recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The first mistake of capitalism is to assume that the brightest people do it for money.

    5. Re:Genius recognition by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      I kinda wish geniuses like Turing were rewarded as well as a second string shortstop or bench warming basketball player.

      Scary that I've hear this twice today in a dozen hours: I finally got to read my dead-tree copy of a two-month old Wired article. Near the last paragraph, it similarly states that the only genius still strongly encouraged in the USA is that of athletes. In salaries, willingness of the masters / trainers to routinely take risks to trade or acquire good and bad players / rookies... and finally, public sway. Because you can usually pick one or two of those pluses in real-life decisions like picking a career.. but not all 3.

  6. TPB by Tokolosh · · Score: 3, Informative

    I am going to The Pirate Bay now. If the papers are not there, I shall be sorely disappointed.

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    1. Re:TPB by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

      Bother!

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    2. Re:TPB by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      give it a few weeks....

  7. I think 30 million dead Russians had something to by melted · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I think 30 million dead Russians had something to do with that as well. Not to diminish Turing's contribution, but how much did it matter compared to that?

  8. So where are the papers? by kruhft · · Score: 1

    I see a story but it's devoid of links. Does anybody know where the papers can be downloaded?

    1. Re:So where are the papers? by _Shad0w_ · · Score: 1

      They aren't, you have to request hard copies from the National Archives. I dare say they'll end up making it available on-line at some point, they're bound to get inundated with requests for hard copies and it will end up being easier for them.

      I've no idea what their general policy with regards to digitizing old papers is - I wouldn't be surprised if there's an on-going project to digitize them, but I suspect some papers have higher priorities than others. It's also 6am and I'm still too asleep to look on the website.

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  10. Re:British screwed Turing by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Yes the UK wanted to keep the public away from the 'we broke the codes' in ~near realtime ww2 spoiler.
    How would other countries, new, large, small, friendly, neutral view the news?- would they all take on the effort for extreme generational crypto security and make the job of a less well funded GCHQ not so easy?
    The UK also had a few hundred years practice in blackmail and felt Turing going on some European holiday was a security risk.
    Who would he meet, who would seduce him, what might maths, machine and ww2 topics cover....
    At some point his unique skills vs the risk of Soviet interest might have tipped as more people understood the new maths and computing.
    He was a risk and not unique anymore.
    The 1996 movie "Breaking the Code" is a good staring point http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115749/

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  11. Re:I think 30 million dead Russians had something by _Shad0w_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He, along with others, shortened the length of the war. So you had 30 million dead Russian instead of 60, 90, or god knows how many million dead Russians. And dead various other nationalities come to that. I'd say they both mattered, one shortened the war, one ensured it wasn't lost in the mean time.

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  12. It wasn't the importance by joss · · Score: 4, Funny

    They had to wait for the statue of limitations to run out otherwise he could have been posthumously deported to US for DMCA violations.

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  13. Yes he was a fudge packer by steve.cri · · Score: 2

    He packed fudge up Dönitz and Hitler's ass so hard they cried uncle!

  14. Re:I think 30 million dead Russians had something by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

    Notice I said "the sacrifice of millions of other men and women". Yes, that includes the Russians. I didn't say "millions of British" or any other nationality for that matter. Would you prefer it if I mentioned every nationality that fought with the Allies in WWII? The contributions of the Australians, the Indians, the Canadians, the brave Polish, Dutch, and French resistance members, numerous other states, even the people of Crete were just as important as that of Russia, because while they may not have contributed in the numbers the Russians did, they were willing to dedicated their lives, and in many cases gave their lives, in order to keep the world free. To pick out and name one nationality would be wrong.

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