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Game Theory, Antivirus Improvements Explain Rise In Mac Malware

Sparrowvsrevolution writes "Four years ago, security researcher Adam J. O'Donnell used game theory to predict in a paper for IEEE Security and Privacy when malware authors would start targeting Macs. Based on some rough assumptions and a little algebra, he found that it would only become profitable to target Apple's population of users when they reached 16% market share. So why are we now seeing mass attacks on Macs like the Flashback trojan when Apple only has 11% market share? O'Donnell says it turns out he may have underestimated the effectiveness of the antivirus used by most Windows users, which now makes overconfident Mac users a relatively vulnerable and much more appealing target. Based on current antivirus detection rates, O'Donnell's equations now show that victimizing Macs becomes a profitable alternative to PCs at just 6.5% market share."

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  1. Hey Apple Users... by pwnyxpress · · Score: 4, Funny

    How it security by obscurity treating you now?

    1. Re:Hey Apple Users... by Samalie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Stupid people doing stupid shit with technology and getting viris outbreaks?

      Yeah, that's confined to ANY particular OS.

      Sorry, but if Linux had enough market share, they'd be targeted too. Computing is by definition insecure, because you'll always have stupid people doing stupid shit.

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    2. Re:Hey Apple Users... by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Pretty much this. In most cases the weakest link is between keyboard and chair and chain is as strong as its weakest link.

    3. Re:Hey Apple Users... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How it security by obscurity treating you now?

      Security by obscurity was not the problem. Complacency was the problem.

    4. Re:Hey Apple Users... by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Funny

      So does Ubuntu Linux have 6.5% share yet?

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    5. Re:Hey Apple Users... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thank you, Captain Cliché, for pointing out the obvious and already stated!

    6. Re:Hey Apple Users... by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Informative

      Linux does have significant marketshare in the server and smartphone arenas. Servers are generally more secure than desktop machines (not to mention better maintained), so there's naturally fewer points of vulnerability - this holds true for Windows servers as well. As for smartphones, I've seen a lot of articles about Android malware recently although I haven't personally encountered any.

    7. Re:Hey Apple Users... by ByOhTek · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, however, I think the GP just venting due to all of the "I have a Mac, so I'm immune to malware" and "Oh, they had problems because they used a PC, they should have gotten a Mac!" that has being going on for so long, even by some here on slashdot.

      But, of course, you are correct, it is the user that is the biggest security vulnerability of a computer, in most cases.

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    8. Re:Hey Apple Users... by Drinking+Bleach · · Score: 4, Informative

      Generally more secure, but Linux servers are still vulnerable, especially when they are neglected from being looked after. I have signed onto a company that kept a mail server running for years with no updates -- turns out that exim had a security vulnerability and there was a rootkit living on the system for at least a couple years. If the machine was being properly monitored, the chances of infection would be very low (keep on top of updates!), and it would have been detected rather quickly even if it did happen despite that first point.

      I still don't know what the attacker gained but apparently it pays off enough to pry on mismanaged Linux servers.

    9. Re:Hey Apple Users... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You should get out more.

    10. Re:Hey Apple Users... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sorry, but if Linux had enough market share, they'd be targeted too.

      "Linux" is not one operating system. There are very secure distributions, and then there are distributions that are not so secure, and then there are distributions that can be secure if you stick to best practices.

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    11. Re:Hey Apple Users... by davester666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's funny is that NONE of the anti-virus products blocked it, indicating just how useless their products are.

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    12. Re:Hey Apple Users... by msobkow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Servers are more secure than desktops in the Linux arena primarily because there is no idiot user sitting in front of the keyboard to click "Ok" when malware tries to install itself. Also, servers aren't typically used for surfing and downloading, so the malware doesn't get a chance to try to install itself.

      Only once since I started programming in the late '70s have I seen a machine that was infected without the intervention of a user disabling the anti-virus or installing pirated/downloaded software. Once.

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    13. Re:Hey Apple Users... by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Funny

      as stupid as windows user are... and I'll grant you they ARE stupid... Absolutely nothing compares to the apple market. There's a price to be paid for making your OS so easy to use that you don't even need to be smart enough to tie your own shoes to use it... namely, that your OS will attract all of the people not smart enough to tie their own shoes.

      Now, I know all you apple "power users" are going to get all mad and scream "You're calling me dumb! I'm not dumb!" I'm not saying you're dumb... I'm saying all your friends are dumb... and you make bad technology choices... I'm sure you made a very smart, well informed decision when you chose the wrong operating system.

    14. Re:Hey Apple Users... by N0Man74 · · Score: 2

      The odd thing is, I've never actually heard anyone ever say "I have a Mac, so I'm immune"

      Perhaps not, but I can honestly say that I have heard, "But Macs don't get viruses, right?"

    15. Re:Hey Apple Users... by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, it's not like Apple has ever done anything to encourage that thinking...

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQb_Q8WRL_g

    16. Re:Hey Apple Users... by Khyber · · Score: 3, Funny

      "The odd thing is, I've never actually heard anyone ever say "I have a Mac, so I'm immune""

      Oh, boy. You must not sit around Best Buy, Apple Stores, or 4chan's /g/ very often.

      Hell, I hear that in the workplace all the time. I go over, infect their machine, and laugh at them.

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    17. Re:Hey Apple Users... by beelsebob · · Score: 3, Informative

      Notably, "macs don't get viruses" is not the same as "macs can't get viruses". The former was true in the early 2000s.

    18. Re:Hey Apple Users... by Tharsman · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm sorry; I love my Macs BUT this last Flasback virus would easily get into your computer without doing anything. All you had to do was visit a page with the virulent java applet for your computer to be infected. Once infected it may attempt to ask a password off you to dive further into your system, but even ignoring it did nothing, the virus was fully active in your system.

      Some tech geeks love to think "I'm too smart for me to be infected", and blame anyone with a virus of being stupid. Ironically, those tech geeks" tend to be some of the most vulnerable users for real virus infections, since they refuse to use any anti-virus solution because it will "slow down their system" or patch their systems with latest updates because "it's working fine and I know what I'm doing."

      That’s how viruses actually work. Everything that requires you to do something to accept it is qualified as a Trojan. No amount of tech savvinnes makes anyone less likely to get virus infections (unless you are savvy enough to update asap and run some form of antivirus.)

      THAT being said:
      0.7% flashback victims were Linux machines
      0.6% flashback victims were Windows 7 or Windows 8 PCs
      0.3% flashback victims were FreeBSD
      0.5% flashback victims were machines running an unidentified OS.

      How on Earth does Linux got more Flashback infections than Windows??? Hint: I said why above. At least Macs have the excuse of Apple negligence at patching the vulnerability.

    19. Re:Hey Apple Users... by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Anti-virus software is good at blocking threats that are not zero-day threats. I.e. known viruses reused. Much of stuff out there that actually does damage falls into this category (think conficker for example).

      The only thing that can protect you against zero day threats is having solid security practices on user's end. And even that is not guaranteed (think valve source code theft).

    20. Re:Hey Apple Users... by Tharsman · · Score: 4, Informative

      To add (thanks for the edit button, slashdot!)

      Source of the numbers

    21. Re:Hey Apple Users... by Ihmhi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This just in, Antivirus products can't block shit they haven't seen before!

      Film at 11.

    22. Re:Hey Apple Users... by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, hey, then Mac AV will work a lot faster than Windows AV since there's only one virus in the definition database!

    23. Re:Hey Apple Users... by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      Servers are more secure than desktops in the Linux arena primarily because there is no idiot user sitting in front of the keyboard to click "Ok" when malware tries to install itself. Also, servers aren't typically used for surfing and downloading, so the malware doesn't get a chance to try to install itself.

      That's true of Windows too. In fact, it's true *regardless* of the OS.

    24. Re:Hey Apple Users... by Americano · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have to disagree with this. I have an iPad, and I can assure you, it really, truly is MAGICAL.

      Here's what casting a lightning bolt was like before my iPad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ04mfAY2BU

      Here's what it's like AFTER the iPad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxYGT51JTfE

      Apple is always explicitly literal in their advertising copy, and any suggestion that they aren't is just crazy talk.

    25. Re:Hey Apple Users... by Tharsman · · Score: 2

      1) Macs install java in a nearly transparent fashion the first time you encounter it (I have it on my new iMac with Lion and have no clue when it got installed.)

      2) Your setting for Java applets is not the default (or at least not the default at the time of the virus spreading, the defaults changed due to the virus)

      BTW, this iMac did not get infected with Flashback, Im certain due to it avoiding me since I run Xcode.

      Oracle is not to blame on this one, Apple is not supporting it but they are still the ones distributing the updates. It was reported that Oracle did it's part and provided Apple with the update back in February. Apple dragged it's feet on releasing it. Thats why this story is so annoying. I'm one that will usually take Apple's side on arguments (because I honestly think they are right in those topics) but I can't stand by Apple on this one. They really fucked up.

    26. Re:Hey Apple Users... by jd · · Score: 2

      Just as important, there are multiple distributions. Just as it makes it hard to write commercial software that will run under any version of any distro, it makes it hard to write a virus that will work under any version of any distro. The odds are that Linux viruses will be predominantly scripts because those are relatively portable and applications which run scriptlets don't have nearly the same level of security as the OS itself.

      Even then, the massive fragmentation of the application base will severely limit viruses not designed to attack near-universal software. A postfix/sendmail flaw would be more serious than a comparable glitch in blender. Not because of privileges (although postfix obviously needs more rights than blender) but because virtually every Linux box will have a mail server but only graphics modelers will need graphics modeling software.

      With e-mail software, anything that attacks Outlook (regular or express) on Windows has a good chance of finding a machine that is vulnerable. For Linux, there are hundreds of clients and no one has sufficient market share to create a substantial vulnerability. For databases, the overwhelming majority use MS SQL Server or Oracle on a Windows box, but the Linux database scene is vast. Even in the MySQL arena, there are many forks where an attack on one may have no impact on another.

      That's not to say Linux is impervious, merely that it isn't a good environment for virus writers.

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  2. Hogwash by getto+man+d · · Score: 2, Informative

    We all know it's due to momentary lapse in prayers to the Almighty Jobs.

  3. One factor frequently left out by MikeRT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In all of the fights between Windows and Mac users over the disparity in viruses for both platforms, I've never seen a Windows user point out the fact that Windows is often used on infrastructure that is valuable to compromise. No major business runs their corporate infrastructure on Macs. No major sites with valuable data I know of are hosted on Apple hardware. What has changed with the marketshare is that now Macs are used by the upper-middle and upper classes extensively at work and at home. So even at 6.5% of the market, you're far more likely now to compromise a Mac with valuable data or access to it now.

    Compromise a Mac today and you might get access to a corporate network, a richer man/woman's bank information, etc. That wasn't true 10 years ago.

    1. Re:One factor frequently left out by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what you're saying is the fact that Apple overcharges for Macs is actually a factor in the increase in Mac malware? Oddly enough, makes sense.

    2. Re:One factor frequently left out by Tyr07 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've frequently pointed it out to people.

      I've told many 'smug' mac users that the only reason they're not getting viruses like PC's are is because it's not worth it. No one cares about your myspace profile or your doodle you did this morning.

      Major businesses handling credit card information or valuable corporate information is ran on PCs, it has all the financial data and so on, hence the target.
      As soon as macs become popular and worth while, they'll get viruses too.

      And here we are.

    3. Re:One factor frequently left out by nine-times · · Score: 2

      I've pointed that out before, here on Slashdot. You have a lot of businesses using Windows, not only for their infrastructure, but for the majority of their desktop/laptop computers. A lot of companies only do perimeter security, so once you get inside the firewall, you have a nice, ubiquitous, unprotected network to target, perhaps with hundreds of computers, and profitable data to steal.

      If you target Macs only, you get what? Home users? The design department of a company? A lone executive, maybe? It's not merely whether there are more Macs or PCs, it's about where those Macs and PCs are.

      Of course, I don't think it's just an issue of that, either. These things are more complicated than people like to believe.

    4. Re:One factor frequently left out by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 2

      Oh, and what does it say about Mac users that they'd rather admit to being morons (for executing a trojan) than admitting their computer might not be as invulnerable as they thought?

  4. Reversal from the 1980s by concealment · · Score: 3, Informative

    Back in the 1980s, Macs were very tempting virus targets. They had multitasking operating systems at a time when the rest of us were running DOS or CP/M (although Amiga users and users of DOS multitaskers like DESQview had a small market share). Luckily this was before the internet, so the only real risk was downloaded software.

    1. Re:Reversal from the 1980s by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      You rarely if ever downloaded software in 1980s. Stuff was moved around on floppies and other magnetic media such as audio tapes for example. There was some stuff done over BBS but downloading stuff over slow analogue modems was a pain in the ass (I'm thinking 9600 baud and lower that was common in late 1980s).

  5. "Vastly oversimplified" by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He says himself that the equation is vastly oversimplified, and a small change in antivirus detection range changes the answer from 16 to 6%. That means the equation is all-but useless and pointless to try to "predict" anything except, apparently, in hindsight.

    I could have plucked any number I liked out of the air and wrote a (reasonable) equation to make it come out with whatever answer I wanted, even basing it on "game theory" (which has very, very, very little relevance here, actually) - I could have done that even before I graduated in mathematics (including Game Theory) over a decade ago.

    When enough Mac's exist to make it viable (and market share has little to do with it compared to "number of computers active on the Internet" of that particular model), viruses will target them. Guess what, same for every other platform on the planet. If someone miraculously sells a popular device based on MINIX that millions start buying, eventually someone will write a virus for that platform.

    Seriously - don't give it the press.

    1. Re:"Vastly oversimplified" by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      I could have plucked any number I liked out of the air and wrote a (reasonable) equation to make it come out with whatever answer I wanted, even basing it on "game theory" (which has very, very, very little relevance here, actually) - I could have done that even before I graduated in mathematics (including Game Theory) over a decade ago.

      I'm curious to know what model in game theory he used. My experience with game theory from my Master's degree is political in nature, so the ones I'm most familiar with are the Prisoner's Dilemma and the Stag Hunt. Neither of these really apply in this situation. I can see what he's trying to say, that the combination of Apple's marketshare growing large enough while Microsoft's users average growing more security-conscious makes Apple that much more attractive of a target, I just don't know what game that would fall under.

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    2. Re:"Vastly oversimplified" by nine-times · · Score: 2

      That means the equation is all-but useless and pointless to try to "predict" anything except, apparently, in hindsight.

      Welcome to the world of soft science, where everything causes cancer and housing prices continue to rise without limit.

  6. Re:It Doesn't Matter by SJHillman · · Score: 2

    Which is why one of the selling points for Macs on Apple's website is that they're immune to "Windows viruses"

  7. Winning formula by chepati · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's see what our wise men can come up with:

    1) Write a "scientific" paper, make assumptions, use some "algorithm", predict event A
    2) Wait
    3) Observe empirical evidence
    4) Revise initial paper
    5) Bask in peer admiration

    Did I miss anything?

    1. Re:Winning formula by Haedrian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's how Science works.

      You build a model, you predict things, you test it. If it fails, you fix your model, you test it again.

      Now we'll see how his next prediction holds and we can then judge his model

    2. Re:Winning formula by belthize · · Score: 2

      Wrong. In your example that's the equivalent of saying the Ideal gas law is:
      PV = nRT + C where C is some constant and r is 8.3144621 J/mol K so the pressure
      is (nRT + C)/V

      A better example is claiming that the pressure P is (nRT)/V with a given value of nRT and V.

      In the former case the model is simply wrong, in the latter case the model is right and has a given starting condition.

      All they've said is now that the temperature has changed the pressure is P'. You could easily plot the necessary market share vs time as a function of typical AV accuracy and see more or less when there'd be a rise in OSX attacks.

      Granted his model is overly simplified and has questionable powers of prediction but your analogy is frankly wrong.

  8. Thanks by Shamanin · · Score: 2

    Now even you can quote Game Theory thanks to Stanford Engineering online course offerings!

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  9. Nay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Tis a feature, allowed by the Almighty Jobs as a test thy faith in Apple .. so only mayest the True Believers be granted the next iDevice.

    1. Re:Nay! by a_hanso · · Score: 2

      It's all a part of Jobs' plan, for he moves in mysterious ways.

  10. Urge to deny "overconfident" by Loopy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I realize there may be some outrage over the "overconfident" label, it does make sense in terms of learned behavior. More specifically, Windows users have known malware has been rampant for so long that:

    A) they're used to having to use antivirus, firewalls and other "security" type apps

    B) Windows has steadily improved its built-in firewall and anti-trojan features to combat real and perceived vulnerability

    C) Windows-based PC OEMs and system builders install anti-virus by default and have for quite some time now.

    I can't say whether Macs get a/v software by default but despite our joking about macs not being susceptible to malware, that view is held by far too many mac users. While it might be true statistically speaking relative to Windows, it is unhelpful in being a rightfully vigilant denizen of this wretched hive of scum and villainy we call the Internet.

  11. Re:sigh by SJHillman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How exactly is OSX more secure than Windows 7, assuming both are patched and not used by total morons that click Yes to everything?

  12. Failed to take into account value of targets by LetterRip · · Score: 2

    Probably failing to take into account the value of the targets compromised was the biggest flaw.

    Since the average apple user will be far more profitable (apples are a luxury good and thus will have a higher percentage of wealthy users) to compromise than the average pc user, he needed to adjust the numbers downward to take that into account.

  13. Re:Correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Actually, here is what Apple says:

    http://www.apple.com/why-mac/better-os/#viruses

    A Mac isn’t susceptible to the thousands of viruses plaguing Windows-based computers. That’s thanks to built-in defenses in Mac OS X that keep you safe, without any work on your part.

    Is this true? Yes, but only because the malware they are talking about was written specifically for Windows. It has nothing to do with the "built-in defenses in Mac OS X that keep you safe". It is at best disingenuous because the average user reads that to mean "Macs can't get malware".

  14. Re:Correct by lightknight · · Score: 2

    There are two ways to read the GP's quote. Guess which one most Mac-heads use?

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  15. Re:Correct by ByOhTek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Two examples I've ran into:

    Limiting it to just people who have IT experience that I know:
    (1) One person literally told me that it is impossible for a mac to get a virus.
    (2) One has said that, since he uses Chrome and MacOS, he can't get malware, period.

    That's maybe 10% of the MacIT people I've dealt with, the rest have been in the 'it is less likely' camp.
    From the non-IT Mac users, it's closer to closer to half, that fall into one of those (or similar, change the web browser), categories.

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  16. Status symbol, not excess price by MikeRT · · Score: 2

    It's a factor insofar as it is part of the process of turning Macs into status symbols. Price alone is just one variable; it's the price factor which separates the product from the hoi polloi who couldn't stomach a $2000 professional laptop when a $500 meets their needs easily. It's everything from the packaging, to the build quality and taste, to the marketing and product integration.

    Macs were always expensive, but 10 years ago, they were more of an eccentricity or specialty than a high quality replacement for a Windows PC for most people with some money.

  17. Stupid users get viruses and malware by SilverJets · · Score: 2

    It doesn't matter the platform. Mac, Windows, Linux. Stupid users get viruses. They're the ones clicking on every farking attachment in every farking e-mail they receive without first doing a simple visual check of the email (ie. reading it). They're the ones downloading executables from unknown or untrusted sources and running them on their computers. They're the ones that believe every little farking web browser pop-up informing them that their computer is infected and THEY MUST CLICK HERE NOW!!!!! (Hint: web browser != anti-virus )

  18. Re:Hey Apple Users... It's not a virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The first variant did. The second did not.

    Just hit up the previous Slashdot Flashback article and you'll see the article title that specifically said that it could go "without user interaction." -- i.e. it was a drive by that installed itself without user interaction.

    Sounds like a virus (by anon's definition) to me.

    I have a different interpretation: Trojans are applications that pose as legit programs (like codecs or games) that trick you to run the program. Viruses (trojans being a subset of viruses) is any software that was specifically written to do bad stuff (delete files, spam, etc). This may or may not be with user interactions.

  19. Re:Hey Apple Users... It's not a virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    /slam head against desk

    Difference between Virus and Trojan:

    Trojan disguises itself, pretending to be something else, to get into your system (named after the Trojan Horse.) A program that says pretends to be a photo file (with a jpg icon) or pose as an antivirus installer would count as a Trojan.
    Virus simply activates and goes into your system when, lets say, you insert a floppy disk or visit a website. As long as it can infect a machine without the user opening it up, it's considered a virus.

    The last java based Flashback was a virus, not a Trojan.

    Not only did it require the user to provide a password, as oh_my_080990890 points out, but even if it hadn't, it still wouldn't be a virus, and it still would be a trojan. Trojan versus virus is not a case of "happens with or without user interaction". Viruses infect files - VBS viruses can even infect .html files (ie: Code Red and others from a while back), or image files, or anything else, but they do need a file there to infect, of whatever type of file that virus is intended to infect. Yes, the boot sector on a floppy disk is also a type of file. Trojans pretend to be some other type of program, and get the user to run them - in this case, by being a Java applet in a web page, which of course means that if you've shut off Java running in your browser (I do because it annoys me. The only site I commonly use that wants to run Java is my work webmail, which oddly works better with Java disabled completely...) it's not a problem, regardless of your operating system, and it's not a virus, it's a trojan. Even the article Tharsman (at ars technica) linked to calls it a Trojan, and not a virus. Same with the initial article way up at the top.

    The Mac people (and their advertizing) have been saying "We don't have viruses", and they're still right. (For now.) Regardless of the coyotes eating people's dogs, there still isn't a skunk problem.

    Linux on the other hand, actually does have a virus available - there were several slashdot articles about it a few years ago, provided by a security researcher at an AV company. In order to get it to run, you need to install a specific version of the Linux kernel, and then apply a patch kindly provided by Linus Torvalds after he analyzed the code to figure out why it wouldn't work for him. It takes advantage of three separate kernel vulnerabilities which, sadly, never all co-existed in the kernel simultaneously (unless you install the patch). Much like just about everything else fancy at the time (expensive video cards, TV tuners, ...), getting the virus to actually work required re-compiling your own kernel.

  20. Re:Obscurity is over by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 2

    The exploit was because of Java and you blame Apple? That's rich. OS X was not at fault. If Oracle got it's act together this would not have been a problem.

    And the fanboi shows his colors. Apple was at fault. That java patch was fixed and a patch deployed for every other system well in advance of that news report. Oracle did have it's act together, and resolved the issue. Want to guess why OS X was the only system exploited? Here, I'll give you the answer. Apple maintains (controls) it's own implementation of Java, and is consistently behind the times. That lackadaisical approach (by Apple, not Oracle) is why this outbreak occurred. Apple's fault, NOT Oracle's.

    Show me real exploits within OS X. Show me the same type of exploits that exist in Windows in OS X. Show me OS X can reach the level of exploits that Windows has.

    You want for free what costs money. Zero days exploits are found and sold on the black markets. Talk to them if you want to see the exploits, and be sure to bring large amounts of untraceable bills. Otherwise, wait with the rest of us and find out on the news aggregates.

    That's not do to market share, that's do to the technology. OS X is safer than Windows because it has less exploits, because it is a more secure OS.

    *rollseyes* I guess the reality distortion field is still in effect in some areas...

  21. Re:Hey Apple Users... It's not a virus by AlienIntelligence · · Score: 2

    Problem is... everyone is getting all butt hurt over stupid semantics. Virus and trojan cannot be compared, because one is payload, one is methodology.

    Here is a really simple sentence that in summary, to anyone intelligent, would end all of this.

    [Potentially] every computer/OS combo and variant is susceptible in some form or fashion to have code executed with or without specific intent and resulting in undesirable effects.

    Right? I didn't say any of the "bad words". So, everyone agree? Good, let's end the bickering.

    -AI

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  22. Re:Hey Apple Users... It's not a virus by Tharsman · · Score: 2

    It didn't. It attempted the user to enter a password to dive deeper into the system, but it was perfectly functional without the extra priviledges.

  23. Re:Correct by bloodhawk · · Score: 2

    That's just BS. Apple makes a half truth "A Mac isn’t susceptible to the thousands of viruses plaguing Windows-based computers.", The second part of the statement is an out and out lie, there is no possible reading of the second half of the statement that can be taken as factual. "That’s thanks to built-in defenses in Mac OS X that keep you safe, without any work on your part." This is a LIE. They are safe from windows malware because OS.X doesn't run windows programs, there is no built-in defense keeping a Mac user safe. Even if you ignore the outright lie the whole statement is misleading to the people that malware defense is most valuable too, i.e. the uneducated user, the one that doesnt't know why OS.X can't get a windows virus. Personally I am suprised the false advertising laws haven't jumped up and bitten them in the arse on that statement in many countries.

  24. Upscale temptation by Rambo+Tribble · · Score: 2

    Mac owners tend to occupy a higher-income demographic, increasing their attractiveness to criminals. Would you target someone with a $500 bank account or a $50,000 account?

    This factor helps Linux, with its third world popularity, but complacency is always the Devil's playground.