Slashdot Mirror


Studies Suggest Massive Increase In Scientific Fraud

Titus Andronicus writes "Scientific fraud has always been with us. But as stated or suggested by some scientists, journal editors, and a few studies, the amount of scientific 'cheating' has far outpaced the expansion of science itself. According to some, the financial incentives to 'cut corners' have never been greater, resulting in record numbers of retractions from prestigious journals. From the article: 'For example, the journal Nature reported that published retractions had increased tenfold over the past decade, while the number of published papers had increased by just 44 percent.'"

229 comments

  1. Surpised? by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's more money in it now.

    --
    "The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
    1. Re:Surpised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Citation needed

    2. Re:Surpised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and scientist with employment contract that say they must publish X number of papers each year or be fired

    3. Re:Surpised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I am not sure about how much money is in it now compared to previous times. I work at a place that does scientific research and I know that the people around me regularly put a lot of work into proposals for which they have no guarantee of funding. These are good researchers with good projects. But they have to compete for most funding opportunities. Then you add in the issue of the politicization of funding. No, I am not going to make this about global warming. What I mean is that some who hold the purse strings have a pet subject and will put large amounts of funding into it while starving other, equally worthy subjects. So you have an excess in one area while another is not getting proper attention.

    4. Re:Surpised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, how do we know this study is not a fraud!?

      dadeeda lamefilter

    5. Re:Surpised? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1, Troll

      Hence: Global Climate "Science"

      --
      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    6. Re:Surpised? by chrisphotonic · · Score: 0

      And you thought religions lies were bad...

    7. Re:Surpised? by composer777 · · Score: 1

      You must live on a planet where federal funding for scientific research hasn't seen severe budget cuts.

    8. Re:Surpised? by pz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's more money in it now.

      Actually, it's quite rather the opposite: there's not enough money, so competition for scant funding is intense. Two days ago I saw a presentation by Dr. Francis Collins, head of the NIH, who was really trying very hard to put a positive spin on resarch and the source that it provides for economic recovery. He was trying really, really hard. Why? Because if you look at the inflation-adjusted budget of the NIH, it's been going down ever since 1978, and is currently closing in to about 20% off the peak. In the meantime, the number of applications has skyrocketed to the point that fewer than 25% of applications are being funded. In my subfield, that number is closer to between 7 and 9%. When competition is that fierce, the temptation to fudge data is huge.

      But his arguments were solid: there has been rarely a better ROI on governmental programs than the NIH budget with a factor of at least 2x overall (each $1 in NIH budget results in $2 in GDP), and individual cases that are well over 100x (like the Human Genome Project). Research, nationally funded research, is one of the basic means for seeding long-term economic growth. If you are in biomedical science or its related basic fields, you should contact your congressmen and insist that the NIH and NSF budgets be increased: we need another doubling, like we saw during the Clinton administration.

      --

      Put my fist through my alarm clock with its ding-dong death inside my ear. - The Blackjacks.
    9. Re:Surpised? by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

      It is just like politics. You target your grant request to something that has lots of money going into it. So you aren't studying the growth of an earth worm you are studying "the mechanism whereby c elegans regulates its cell division with direct relevance to the understanding of how human breast tissue becomes malignant.". But really for the next 5 years you'll be looking at worms not working on how to apply it to humans, you just don't mention that part.

    10. Re:Surpised? by PingPongBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's more money in it now.

      On a different tack, rather than money, it may be due to another theory of economics, the law of diminishing returns. As more discoveries are made, it becomes harder to make discoveries, but with the human population growing at least linearly and the population of researchers keeping pace, the rate of good research results is under great pressure to keep up. Add to this the specter of funding cuts and people not wanting to lose their research jobs, and the sheer volume of research results being reported. Human nature completes the syllogism: there will be more falsification.

      --
      Know your pads. One time pad: good for cryptography. Two timing pad: where to take your mistress.
    11. Re:Surpised? by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      Did they compare tobacco studies? I remember the studies from the tobacco companies showing tobacco use held health benefits.

    12. Re:Surpised? by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      It is just like politics.

      Except for one important detail: In politics there's never any retractions.

      Seriously though, is anybody really surprised that there's wannabe idiots in science? Why should science be any different than any other human activity?

      --
      No sig today...
    13. Re:Surpised? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      There's more money in it now.

      Not really, but there's more people competing for it. That means more incentive for the managers to exaggerate the importance/success of their work.

      --
      No sig today...
    14. Re:Surpised? by grcumb · · Score: 1

      There's more money in it now.

      Not so much more money as different money.

      Much more of the academic scientific research being performed these days is corporate-funded, and a small but significant amount of that is aimed primarily at verifying the manufacturer's safety/viability claims. The companies in question shop their grant money around to the institution most amenable to their particular needs, which creates an environment that rewards expediency and compromise, sometimes at the cost of scientific rigour.

      --
      Crumb's Corollary: Never bring a knife to a bun fight.
    15. Re:Surpised? by grcumb · · Score: 1

      There's more money in it now.

      On a different tack, rather than money, it may be due to another theory of economics, the law of diminishing returns. As more discoveries are made, it becomes harder to make discoveries....

      That would be true if the problem space were finite, but it's not. The same level of likelihood exists that the next discovery will reveal a vast area of research with all kinds of low-hanging fruit. Standing on the shoulders of giants, as it were, means that our capabilities increase on a greater than linear basis.

      --
      Crumb's Corollary: Never bring a knife to a bun fight.
    16. Re:Surpised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the meantime, the number of applications has skyrocketed to the point that fewer than 25% of applications are being funded. In my subfield, that number is closer to between 7 and 9%. When competition is that fierce, the temptation to fudge data is huge.

      Yes, but that's mainly due to the massive increase in the number of PhDs that are being awarded. There are just way too many would-be Principal Investigators. We should shift away from this and train more BSc- and MSc-level people.

    17. Re:Surpised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about developing practical applications? Oh wait, that means you have to actually produce something useful, which is real work.

    18. Re:Surpised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More money to go around perhaps... although I dont know as I am not a research scientist

    19. Re:Surpised? by Smidge204 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would say it's just the opposite. Contrary to what might seem obvious in other situations, MORE money could actually DECREASE fraud in science. There is less money - at least public, "no strings attached" money - available. It would not surprise me at all if societies that invest more public money into research see less fraud.

      If you're a scientist you are increasingly pressured to get the results your funding corporation/institution is paying for and to do it within crushing schedules and shoestring budgets. That's not to say all studies are trying to reach a particular conclusion (though some clearly are like that), but often a study is simply inconclusive... but inconclusive studies don't make the bean counters happy.

      Science needs materials, equipment, staff and time. Give them what they need, stand back, and you'll get good results. Might not be the results you want, but that's a risk you'll have to accept.
      =Smidge=

    20. Re:Surpised? by nashv · · Score: 0

      On the contrary, there is much less money it now per researcher in relation to the problems expected to be solved. Competition for research positions remains high and results are still expected to be delivered. The way public funding is set up, failure is a disaster.

      This creates the incentive for scientists to deliver the result, or the appearance of a successful project - by any means necessary.

      This is why research laboratories in private enterprise have a higher incidence of pladiarism, but not fraud.

      In academic science, there is little philosophical motivation to publish false results as the truth, unless the presence of those results and apparent success of the project is tied to the career and survival of the scientist.

      --
      Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.
    21. Re:Surpised? by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      The problem space might not be finite, but there's a huge gradient in the ease with which experiments can be done, computational complexity space, and theoretical tractability. You have to be able to reach this "vast area of research with all kinds of low-hanging fruit", and recognize it for what it is from the outside, or make little investigative forays into it to even tell it's there.

            The most recent example (in the non-biological sciences) was probably chaos theory, where people could just wade in and tackle important computational and theoretical problems right away. That fruit rapidly got picked. There are still nice orchards lying in there, but it is no longer "easy".
            When string theory was proposed there was lots of low-hanging fruit for students to work on, but the initial foray took some very advanced thinking by a few explorers, and much of the fruit turns out to be worm-eaten.

    22. Re:Surpised? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1
      --
      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    23. Re:Surpised? by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1, Insightful

      In science they retract things but ever notice how they never pay the grant money back? :-) The other side of it is the whole tenure thing: have nut job ideas but don't get caught long enough and all of a sudden you become immune to being fired, having to do relevant work etc.

      I don't know if I agree that science funding has increased. It has moved around in most countries from pure science to "practical science". Which in turn makes people that want to do pure science having to come up with a hand wavy argument why their project is going to cure AIDS or cut gas requirements by 50%. That is a big problem because pure science should still be done and shouldn't have to justify itself by using what medical/engineering problem it will solve.

    24. Re:Surpised? by oursland · · Score: 1

      Standing on the shoulders of giants, as it were, means that our capabilities increase on a greater than linear basis.

      What does "standing on the shoulders of giants" mean? I understand it that once a discovery has been made, others may use it to make other discoveries. But things aren't that simple. These initial discoveries must first be confirmed and disseminated (usually via journal publication) and then received by those who will then go on to make their own discoveries. This process takes time.

      Einstein said "A person who has not made his great contribution to science before the age of 30 will never do so." Given the amount of knowledge required to merely climb to the shoulders of giants, this age has increased (in Physics) to be around 40-45, however the expectations of young scientists remain the same: publish or perish. It is no surprise that those wishing to remain in the field have resorted to inflating their publications with false data. Nor is it surprising that this highly competitive and under-compensated field isn't attracting the number and caliber of entrants that is required to continue to provide a linear increase in valuable publications. This is borne out in the data in TFA: "the journal Nature reported that published retractions had increased tenfold over the past decade, while the number of published papers had increased by just 44 percent."

    25. Re:Surpised? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      (each $1 in NIH budget results in $2 in GDP)

      The first $1 is obvious, each dollar in is a dollar out, and is counted as part of the GDP (and the dollar in, since it's stolen from taxpayers, really should be deducted from the GDP.) So each $1 in NIH budget results in an additional $1 to the GDP. That's pathetic. In the business world, that would be called $1 in revenue, not profit. That this is considered good in the world of government shows how dismal government is.

      individual cases that are well over 100x (like the Human Genome Project)

      Need I remind you how slowly the government-funded HGP was proceeding, and that the breakthrough that allowed comparatively rapid analysis of genomes was a private venture?

      Government fanboys are delighted to claim for government what private efforts have produced, and there are over a hundred million dupes who buy the story.

      --
      Contribute to civilization: ari.aynrand.org/donate
    26. Re:Surpised? by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      Where did the private venture on HGP get its research money? Seriously, I don't know about this.

      --
      Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
    27. Re:Surpised? by chihowa · · Score: 1

      In the meantime, the number of applications has skyrocketed to the point that fewer than 25% of applications are being funded. In my subfield, that number is closer to between 7 and 9%. When competition is that fierce, the temptation to fudge data is huge.

      Yes, but that's mainly due to the massive increase in the number of PhDs that are being awarded. There are just way too many would-be Principal Investigators. We should shift away from this and train more BSc- and MSc-level people.

      But in academia, BS and MS jobs have extremely low pay and opportunity ceilings. It's like any number of jobs in our economy where the low end is paid so poorly, you're a fool for not trying to move up the ladder. Inevitably, there's no one left to do the work at the bottom. Companies get bloated management, universities get bloated administration, it always seems to happen.

      --
      If you want a vision of the future, imagine a youtube comments section scrolling - forever.
  2. Furriners? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I keep hearing that America is falling behind in the publishing wars as well, how do the numbers stack up as "Fraudulent Submissions" vrs. "Increase in Articles from Crappy Countries"?

    1. Re:Furriners? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You'll need to be more specific. Defining "crappy countries" as every not-American country doesn't work.

    2. Re:Furriners? by wisty · · Score: 2

      China and India. Fraud and plagiarism are pretty prevalent in both.

      Of course, they don't get much fraudulent or plagiarized work into big journals, and the big journals prefer researchers with a good reputation. I suspect that analysing the actual retraction data would show who's responsible. Is it hungrier researchers in newly developed countries (who have a greater incentive to lie), or researchers in "good" countries (or "good" universities) who aren't subject to as much scrutiny?

      You can probably tell by breaking down the data. Until someone does, it's not worth speculating.

    3. Re:Furriners? by hihihihi · · Score: 1

      China and India. Fraud and plagiarism are pretty prevalent in both.

      Of course, they don't get much fraudulent or plagiarized work into big journals, and the big journals prefer researchers with a good reputation

      congrats being the citizen of a reputable country.
      TFA: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/science/rise-in-scientific-journal-retractions-prompts-calls-for-reform.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1334958458-PxivQM3BpvGZR636Xup/Qw&pagewanted=all
      QUOTED: http://iai.asm.org/content/79/10/3855.full

      QUOTE in asm: "Of more than 28,000 articles in its 40-year history, Infection and Immunity has issued only 15 retractions. Six of these were issued this year and arose from a single laboratory (52,–,55, 87, 89). ..."
      lets check what these bad bad chindians are doing:
      ARTICLE: (52-55, 89):
      RESEARCHERS: (Naoki Mori1,*, Kazunori Oishi2, Borann Sar2, Naofumi Mukaida3, Tsuyoshi Nagatake2, Kouji Matsushima4 and Naoki Yamamoto1)
      Affiliations:
      Department of Preventive Medicine and AIDS Research1 and Department of Internal Medicine,2 Institute of Tropical Medicine, Nagasaki University, 1-12-4 Sakamoto, Nagasaki 852-8523,
      Department of Pharmacology, Cancer Research Institute, Kanazawa University, 13-1 Takaramachi, Kanazawa 920-0934,3 and Department of Molecular Preventive Medicine, School of Medicine, University of Tokyo, 7-3-1 Hongo, Bunkyo, Tokyo 113-0033,4 Japan

      (found to contain digital figures that had been inappropriately manipulated)
      ARTICLE: (78):
      RESEARCHERS: (Junghee J. Shin1, Anton V. Bryksin1, Henry P. Godfrey2 and Felipe C. Cabello1,*)
      Affiliations:
      1Departments of Microbiology and Immunology
      2Pathology, New York Medical College, Valhalla, New York 10595

      (two were unable to confirm their original results (42, 67))
      Awdhesh Kalia1, Mark C. Enright2, Brian G. Spratt3 and Debra E. Bessen1,*
      A Reynaud, M Federighi, D Licois, J F Guillot and B Joly
      - Author Affiliations
      Department of Epidemiology and Public Health, Yale University School of Medicine, New Haven, Connecticut,1 and
      Department of Biology and Biochemistry, University of Bath, Bath BA2 7AY,2 and Department of Infectious Disease Epidemiology, Imperial College School of Medicine, University of London, St. Mary's Campus, London W2 1PG,3 United Kingdom
      Laboratoire d'Analyses Vétérinaires et Biologiques Département du Puy de Dôme, Clermont-Ferrand, France.

      (and three found a critical reagent to be impure (19, 49, 61). The remaining article was retracted due to extensive plagiarism (43))
      19, 49 and 61:
      D R Cue and P P Cleary
      Paola Marcato, George Mulvey and Glen D. Armstrong*
      I M Orme, S K Furney, P S Skinner, A D Roberts, P J Brennan, D G Russell, H Shiratsuchi, J J Ellner and W Y Weiser
      Biswajit Khatua, Angana Ghoshal, Kaushik Bhattacharya, Chandan Mandal, Paul R. Crocker and Chitra Mandal
      - Author Affiliations
      Department of Microbiology, University of Minnesota Medical School, Minneapolis 55455, USA.
      Department of Medical Microbiology and Immunology, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta T6G 2H7, Canada
      Department of Microbiology, Colorado State University, Fort Collins 80523.
      Department of Medical Microbiology and Immunology, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta T6G 2H7, Canada
      Infectious diseases and Immunology Division, Indian Institute of Chemical Biology,
      College of Life Sciences, University of Dundee, Dundee, DD1 5EH, UK

      so, 1 indian of all these and no chinese!!!
      i think someone should listen to you and ban indians ad chinese from publishing - right?

      --
      everyone downmodding this post will be prosecuted for reading my post without first buying a license!!!
  3. Dystopic Reward System by Advocatus+Diaboli · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That is old news. Research in many areas of academic science has been mostly unreproducible for some time. http://dissention.wordpress.com/2011/02/06/why-all-publicised-breakthroughs-are-lies/

    1. Re:Dystopic Reward System by jd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is why I would argue for a shake-up of how science is funded and how papers are refereed, published and post-publish reviewed.

      Science should NOT be corporate-funded, it should be grant-funded -- directly from a scientific organization like NIST, or indirectly via university (or other educational) departments. Corporations should be entitled to push money into a grant pool and should also be entitled to suggest problems to study, but there should be absolutely NO link between the providers of the money and the providers of the science. Scientists MUST be free to say a claim is wrong, obtain negative results or otherwise get results corporations aren't going to like. Sorry, the universe doesn't give a flying what your CEO says.

      A paper should NOT be considered as having been refereed until the work has been reproduced. But what constitutes reproduction of a result? At least some forgeries have involved people taking prior published papers and doing a cut-and-paste on the tables of results. The values now necessarily agree. Is that reproduction of results? No. Conclusion - a copy of the lab notes during the experiments should be placed in escrow with the journal. Once the peer reviewers have also submitted their lab notes, the complete collection is released to a second-stage peer review to determine if the collection suggests anyone "cooked the books". Only when a paper passes second-stage review is it published.

      Next, there need to be central scientific libraries that collect ALL journals (regardless of obscurity), ALL reviewed lab notes, etc, making that information available to absolutely anyone, with PROPER linkage between research (Semantic Web has nothing on this!). Journals will claim they need to make a profit -- fine, embargo new publications for N months after pay-per-view publication. Since I'm arguing for quality indexing, and given that takes time, such a library can't publish instantly anyway.

      What to do with negative results, though? Journals hate publishing those. So, have the central funding agencies ALSO fund an "open journal" that ONLY publishes negative results. Journals can't complain that it's competing, since there's no overlap.

      Ok, but even with all of that, nobody has time to read every paper and certainly nobody has time to go back and correlate current science with past papers even if all this information was available. Doesn't matter. If there's a central store of everything, and that everything is properly linked up, the reasoners that have already been written for Semantic Web logic will work on those links to determine if the data is internally consistent. That information can be passed back to the funding agencies to determine what experiments are needed (if any) to identify what results are good, what ones are fraud and what ones are merely incompetent.

      This sort of framework is relatively open (anyone can join as a publisher, anyone can join as a researcher, anyone can throw money into the pool), but more importantly the information is open and the information lifecycle is a closed loop. Even if the majority of past data is bad in any given field, this system would make bad data unsustainable because it can't pass through a two-stage review anything like as easily as it can a one-stage because the criteria differ, and even if it did get through, it then has to handle an automated consistency check.

      Yes, this is serious infrastructure we're talking. However, science journals cost many times more to publish in than open journals (roughly, $8,000 an article less, assuming the typical conversion rates). You don't need to hand that many papers being published before the cost of all the infrastructure needed matches the amount saved. The money then saved from eliminating the bad science then becomes pure profit, which can be ploughed into new work.

      --
      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    2. Re:Dystopic Reward System by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 2

      Science should NOT be corporate-funded, it should be grant-funded -- directly from a scientific organization like NIST, or indirectly via university (or other educational) departments.

      This is an extremely naive viewpoint born mostly out of ideology.

      Much, perhaps most, scientific fraud in published studies has little to do with corporate R&D. In fact, it's fighting for grant money in the publish-or-perish environment in academia that contributes to most fraud. The grant system itself, in its current incarnation, is probably the largest contributor to scientific fraud.

      It's this "business/capitalism-is-the-root-of-all-evil" Marxist reductionism that is getting really tiresome to read. I get it. You don't like business. Just don't try to boil down every ill in the world to "the corporations." When you do, you sometimes propose solutions that amplify the problem!

      And what did you even want to propose, anyway? No private scientific R&D? Are you mad?

    3. Re:Dystopic Reward System by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Much, perhaps most, scientific fraud in published studies has little to do with corporate R&D.

      Cite, please. All references I can find are specifically to do with corporate sponsorship with journals and corporate sponsorship of reseach.

      It's this "business/capitalism-is-the-root-of-all-evil" Marxist reductionism that is getting really tiresome to read. I get it. You don't like business.

      This must be why I mentioned corporations putting money into the central pot. If there's any ideology here, it's yours, since you have evidently taken a few things utterly out of the context in which they were placed and imposed your own idea of what I "must have" meant according to some fantastically inaccurate wall-chart of phrases-to-politics.

      And what did you even want to propose, anyway?

      I said what I wanted to propose. In detail.

      No private scientific R&D?

      Plenty of private R&D in this framework. Private but decoupled.

      Are you mad?

      Those who have marked me as "foe" on Slashdot would say so. Those, like you, who simply don't read what I write and prefer to imagine what you want me to have written - well, that used to make me mad. These days, it makes me wish I could emigrate to Mars on the basis that microbes and amoeba offer better conversation.

      --
      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    4. Re:Dystopic Reward System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, this is serious infrastructure we're talking. However, science journals cost many times more to publish in than open journals (roughly, $8,000 an article less, assuming the typical conversion rates). You don't need to hand that many papers being published before the cost of all the infrastructure needed matches the amount saved. The money then saved from eliminating the bad science then becomes pure profit, which can be ploughed into new work.

      I am not sure you have a good sense of how much scientific research costs, how much the changes you're proposing will increase those costs. The cost of publication is almost trivial compared to the costs of actually doing the research. The increased cost of validating the research in the way you suggest will probably be an order of magnitude(or more) larger than the cost of publication.

      To pick the suggestion that stands out the most:

      A paper should NOT be considered as having been refereed until the work has been reproduced. But what constitutes reproduction of a result? At least some forgeries have involved people taking prior published papers and doing a cut-and-paste on the tables of results. The values now necessarily agree. Is that reproduction of results? No. Conclusion - a copy of the lab notes during the experiments should be placed in escrow with the journal. Once the peer reviewers have also submitted their lab notes, the complete collection is released to a second-stage peer review to determine if the collection suggests anyone "cooked the books". Only when a paper passes second-stage review is it published.

      This sounds great, but there are several reasons why this is unworkable.
      1) For one, the amount of time that a scientist spends peer reviewing will balloon to be most of their time (and resources).
      2) This assumes it is straightforward for another scientist to reproduce the work. In many cases, especially for cutting edge experiments, the paper under review will discuss a very difficult experiment to perform, or even an entirely new experiment. The reviewers will have to learn how to perform the experiment, and acquire or even build new equipment. Without close interaction with the people who wrote the original paper, the exercise will be next to impossible. There are many reasons why they might fail to reproduce the results that do not mean the results are irreproducible.
      3) The referees, having performed this, now have a huge head start on everyone else reading the paper, who, if they wish to perform follow up studies or use the method, have to wait for the paper to come out before they can start learning about what was done and begin their own ramp up (which will necessarily involve reproducing the initial results anyway). Even if they only want to do a complementary study, the referee team has had a substantial amount of time to digest the results, and figure out what to do, and even start doing it. This is actually already somewhat of a problem with the referee process already - the difference is that instead of maybe months of a head start they'll have years. You might argue that the use of preprint servers will mitigate this, but then you'll have cases where, before the referee process finishes, someone else will have read the preprint, learned how to do the experiment, validated it, and generated new results, essentially making the whole thing moot.
       

    5. Re:Dystopic Reward System by jd · · Score: 1

      I am not sure you have a good sense of how much scientific research costs

      The UK spent about 1.2 billion pounds in the last financial year on science and medical research. That's less than I expected, to be honest. I think it's less, in relative terms, from when I worked for SERC.

      how much the changes you're proposing will increase those costs

      Not much. Anything that is ISO 9000 already handles all this, so there's no extra costs. It's already done - far in excess of what I'm outlining. My proposal - most "lab books" are no longer on paper, they're on computer. Rsync costs zilch. Duplicating the research is already done, since replication is central to science, the difference here is purely that the process can be verified as genuine replication. So the costs aren't as high as you feel.

      For one, the amount of time that a scientist spends peer reviewing will balloon to be most of their time (and resources)

      The idea is to distribute the workload as much as possible, so no scientist is going to be spending excess time peer reviewing and any time spent duplicating is time they'd spend replicating the result anyway because that's what they'd be doing anyway.

      The difference on evaluation is that instead of muddling through trying to see if things make sense, they'd merely have to do a comparison of methods and results.

      --
      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    6. Re:Dystopic Reward System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A paper should NOT be considered as having been refereed until the work has been reproduced.

      In some fields, this is tricky. How do you reproduce a result from the New Horizons probe, short of building another probe and sending it all the way to Pluto?

      What I'd like to see is not just more open publication of the raw data (which is starting to happen in my field, astronomy), but publication of the software toolchains that got from that data to the published result.

    7. Re:Dystopic Reward System by martin-boundary · · Score: 1
      This is way too complicated. You can simplify the system a lot while keeping the same goals by repealing the publish or perish system. Give scientists the freedom NOT to publish. Instead of publishing 10 papers with the latest partial results in 3 years, let them publish 1 complete and final paper when they feel it's all been worked out and is ready. Don't make their employment depend on research output, and don't count publications.

      That will accomplish two things. 1) It will raise the standards of publication, because the authors won't be under pressure and the referees won't cut them any slack for that, and 2) it will cut down on the noise and volume of publications, so that people in the field will actually be able to read all the important output for a change.

      Papers shouldn't be treated like a currency.

    8. Re:Dystopic Reward System by jd · · Score: 2

      I agree that papers should not be treated as currency and that "publish or perish" should itself perish, but I refer you to the experiences of Open Source and of Open Science -- "release early, release often" tends to produce better results overall. The challenge is how to make use of this.

      The Open Source experience shows that multi-stage code reviews work better than single-stage, that testing is critical (even though we all hate doing it), that good documentation will always outperform bad documentation, that a central repository scores over fragmented repositories, and that finding stuff is one of the most important tasks a programmer has to perform.

      Seems simple enough. We know this model works, we know that the bits of this model that have been back-ported to academia have worked exceedingly well, so it would seem obvious enough to try back-porting the entire model and using that as a starting point for discussing how to fix science. Turns out that many of the key components already exist in some form in academia, so we know those components are doable with no extra effort.

      It may be that my model is too complex and that your suggestion is all that is needed, but I'd rather have a meaningful discussion on it than the trial-by-combat that I'm seeing from some of the other posters.

      --
      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    9. Re:Dystopic Reward System by jd · · Score: 1

      Obviously, in the case of New Horizons, you couldn't reproduce the result except by building a new probe. Likewise, reproducing the results of ITER or LHC would be difficult. There, you'd be utterly reliant on analyzing the steps up to the experiment.

      I absolutely concur on publication of software (and anything else used in analysis, such as custom hardware designs). The complete setup that permitted the experiment to take place, plus the setup that permitted analysis of the results, should be described in a way that can be reproduced or - at the very least - be analyzed systematically to determine if it could do what was claimed.

      --
      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    10. Re:Dystopic Reward System by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Here is an example for you, http://www.naturalnews.com/035315_red_wine_resveratrol_scientific_fraud.html Please note that this "scientist" was funded by public money. Funding from a pool will not change misconduct by scientist who will fake results.

      Why should a corporation have to put research money into a pool that anyone can draw from? Corporations donate into areas thay are interested in. Why should an energy company spend money on researching background radiation. When people donate thy usually pick a cause; cancer, homelessness, poverty, etc. Corporation are basically doing the same thing.

    11. Re:Dystopic Reward System by martin-boundary · · Score: 1
      The Open Source model is really a model that originated in academia, so it's not surprising that academia has still most of the pieces available.

      I'm somewhat skeptical about the release early, release often approach, though. Whereas the communication aspect of it is very good for teamwork, and that's really something that couldn't have happened world-wide before the internet, the downside is that it produces too much ancillary activity.

      You can see this in open source software as well. When a popular project attracts a lot of users, you get all this activity in the form of patches and plugins, which do all sorts of things. Then the main project advances, and the patches and plugins fall off the main trunk and rot away, unmaintained.

      It's inevitable for all big/popular projects: they can't incorporate everything (that leads to bloat) and they can't stop evolving (that leads to stagnation). For example, old Gnome/KDE apps are lost whenever these desktop environments bump the major version number, Linux kernel patches are lost if they can't be accepted in the main project, sourceforge/github projects undergo bitrot, etc.

      Transposed to academia this means that the burst of activity that accompanies release early, release often is largely illusory. A lot of that activity won't produce lasting value; it's mainly the core activity from the core group of people which survives time and remains influential. And that suggests that the pace of communication of research should be geared towards the core group's preferences. When its stable and mature enough, that's when it should be published widely (for the first time). Because if some outsider wants to build upon that, his work won't be undermined due to major changes in a short time.

    12. Re:Dystopic Reward System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Conclusion - a copy of the lab notes during the experiments should be placed in escrow with the journal.

      Great idea - in theory. Here is a depressing, true story that I hope will show my fellow Slashdotters just how deep the rabbit hole goes.

      For the last few years, I have been working at one of the larger Japanese national laboratories. When I started, I attended a "strongly recommended" (read: compulsory) set of orientation seminars. One of these seminars was the "Laboratory Notebook Seminar" where, for about an hour, the various benefits of keeping lab notes (and potential dangers of not keeping lab notes) were explained in more than ample detail. "OK, OK, I get the message," I thought on my way back to my desk - stopping by my supervisor's office to ask for a lab notebook, since that's what I had just been asked to do.

      My boss, a reasonably senior scientist at the lab, tilted his head to one side and with a fairly convincing smile said "lab notebooks? Oh, don't worry, they're a lot of trouble, and you don't really need them, right? Nobody here has a lab notebook, so don't you worry!" And for the next couple of years or so, that was the end of that.

      After a while, my boss and I had a huge falling out. It boiled down to my boss feeling insulted that a fairly large (~$10M US) project of his collapsed in a heap, despite my constant warning him that it had been madness all along. He couldn't actually fire me for pointing out his incompetence, but he did the next best thing, which in Japan is the fairly childish "go sit in the corner" treatment. I got a promotion, a pay raise, and my own office - in a building down the street.

      A few months later, it gets back to me that my boss had more or less stolen all the work I had done over the past couple of years and passed it off as his own. OK, to at least avoid that happening again, maybe I should insist on a lab notebook this time. So I met a director of the institute to ask for one. He seemed to think this was a reasonable request and said he'd get back to me.

      A month or so later, we met again and he gave me his response. "We're sorry, but unfortunately, it turns out that these lab notebooks are actually rather expensive. Can't you just buy any old notebook from a newsagent?"

      It was only at that moment that it hit me - despite the laboratory notebook seminars, nobody actually has one. For the heck of it, I randomly called 100 other scientists listed on the phone directory (about 5% of the staff) and sure enough - not only did nobody have one, but nobody had ever seen or heard of anyone who did.

      With very few exceptions, they'd been to the seminars, though.

      tl;dr: Nobody gives a flying fuck about authenticating research work, at least in Japan.

    13. Re:Dystopic Reward System by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      Science should NOT be corporate-funded, it should be grant-funded -- directly from a scientific organization like NIST, or indirectly via university (or other educational) departments. Corporations should be entitled to push money into a grant pool and should also be entitled to suggest problems to study, but there should be absolutely NO link between the providers of the money and the providers of the science. Scientists MUST be free to say a claim is wrong, obtain negative results or otherwise get results corporations aren't going to like. Sorry, the universe doesn't give a flying what your CEO says.

      Have you considered that your system increases the incentive for scientists to just not say anything that government, or the NIST, or whoever manages the grant pool won't like? Or do you think that it'd be better to just give money to anyone who asks for it? If not, then someone has to decide. That someone ends up being the one that influences the scientists.

      At least with a corporation, they're generally funding in the expectation of getting something useful at the end of the process. With too many government fundings, they're just looking for a bureaucratic check box or a way to protect their budget against everyone else by seeming to be more important than they really are.

      Are you aware that the U.S. does 43% of the research in the world and industry funds 66% of that, the federal government 28% and colleges, non-profits and state governments the other 6%? You seem to think most research is political. It's not, it's looking for new things that will be useful and then figuring out how to turn them into something for people to actually benefit from. Your proposed system would likely wipe that out and the world would be a much poorer place as a result.

      --
      The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
    14. Re:Dystopic Reward System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think that the system wouldn't work out any different than it does now?

    15. Re:Dystopic Reward System by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      Science should NOT be corporate-funded, it should be grant-funded

      There is nothing intrinsically wrong with corporate funding of science, and in particular there is nothing wrong with respectable private labs.

      Sometimes corporations want to develop a new material, product, method or whatever, and it requires some serious scientific investigation to get it done right. In this case, corporate funding of science is in everyone's benefit, particularly if the research is published, or to a lesser extent patented.

      This used to be a very successful model before corporations started skimping on R&D, and really before all scientific industries were outsourced elsewhere.

      --
      May the Maths Be with you!
    16. Re:Dystopic Reward System by jd · · Score: 1

      That is precisely why abuses occur, and indeed you gave a wonderful example of an abuse (theft of work). There is no means of checking anything. If checking became fundamental and a requirement to publish, you break that pattern. The challenge is to devise a method of checking that cannot simply break the same way as the current system is broken. Pushing the breakage around isn't helpful. The breakage seems to rely on very tightly-coupled dynamics between economics, politics and science, plus no verification of any stage or connection.

      I accept my proposal has flaws, perhaps fatal flaws. It attempts to decouple every level and verify every stage, on the theory that inertia and friction in society will try to move back to the status quo, that means you need a large initial impulse and a dynamic that can act as an engine that can maintain momentum.

      You're right that nobody gives a flying (that's your inertia) and I don't see how to fix what is broken until that is a disadvantage in all three metrics.

      --
      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    17. Re:Dystopic Reward System by jd · · Score: 1

      Hence decoupling without removing. The money has to be there, the questions have to be there, but it is bad news whenever the money depends on the results being what the managers want rather than what actually is.

      --
      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    18. Re:Dystopic Reward System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      scientist are not fraud.The servey reports are fraud.Sometimes they not able to find the right judgement of the data/figure.But you are right in maximum cases we faced same type of wrong things.I dont want to mention the name of the magazine but i found the false statement.latest bollywood news

    19. Re:Dystopic Reward System by jd · · Score: 1

      You're not looking at what I'm writing. That case was because journals won't publish negative results, funding may have been nominally public but corporate interests rule current funding bodies so nominal labels should be ignored. The case was also because there's no validation and 90% of the proposal is on multi-layer validation (results, methodology and self-consistency being the three layers validated), making fake results impossible.

      Corporations ask questions about areas they are actually interested in. Those questions need answering. Corporations put money into whatever is politically expedient. There will be overlap, but they are NOT the same things. The CFO and the CTO will typically be in a political war with each other and it doesn't get better or saner anywhere else in most companies. It often gets worse. You are assuming companies are rational, but they are actually split-brained and schizophrenic.

      People pick causes, yes, and achieve little or nothing. The typical efficiency of donation-funded projects is under 50%, the popular projects are more often feel-good than effective, and people don't usually look beyond feeling good - they don't want to fix things, they don't want to understand things, they want to look and feel like they're doing stuff. It's all smoke and mirrors. Companies are much the same. It's more profitable to file patents without doing the work, since work costs. The less work you can do, the more money you make. At the limit, you do nothing and get everything. That's where the big money is.

      --
      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    20. Re:Dystopic Reward System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A better answer is to semi-shame scientists who have to retract things because of shoddy methodology. Let them seek peer review and other validation before rushing for the headlines. Instead, because so much science is political, even the journals bury the shameful mistakes if they don't go with the favored political trend for fear the news will be used and misused against that trend. Nonsense, try harder to get it right the first time.

    21. Re:Dystopic Reward System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny that one of the best R&D labs of all time was Bell Labs before Congress broke up the Bell System. 100% corporate control and funding.

    22. Re:Dystopic Reward System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good grief. Another do-gooder using the word "should" and, doubtless, wanting the force of regulation behind it.

      Fraud in science writing is still the exception, not the rule. Yet you'd criminalize corporate sponsorship of science merely because some such science is corrupted by money?

      Can we please outlaw politicians as well, then? Right?

      You're also missing something really, really obvious. Generally, corporate sponsorship of science is in the interest of profitable results. It's not going to profit a company if the science is bogus. You may be thinking about politicized science that's corporate sponsored, but despite the high profile of such instances, such cases are, as well, relatively few in proportion to the vast number of corporate projects that would be useless to those interests if it were bogus science.

      I can't even finish your post, I really can't. It hits too close to home. Namely, home repair. Mission creep. Ya start with a leaky faucet and before you know it you've incurred $7000 on a slew of things you realized should really be done first. It's like epicycles trying to defend a Ptolemaic solution to a problem almost certainly much simpler. You're treating the planet as if it were a Rubic cube instead of the simple spinning sphere it is. You're also imagining that this bureacratic nightmare you take for a lovely waltz would, itself, operate with pristine efficiency and showcase every virtue you imagine it possesses.

      Meanwhile, you ignore the human traits that would doom your project, with all its niches and vestibules where further graft could hide in the shadows. By the time you'd succeeded in erecting such a doomed bureaucracy, you could have just sent all the scientists to an annual course with Miss Manners, so she could beat some ethical sense into 'em so they'd not head down the primrose path of scientific dalliance in the first place. Prevent the mob from rioting in the first place and you won't have to call out the riot police at all.

      One respondent took you for a communist, mistaking your gratuitious trust in bureaucracies for communism itself (with its gratuitous trust in bureaucracies). I don't think you're that, but you share that naive trust in towering (or, in the case of what you propose, abyssal) institutions.

      How about this: Instead of more regulation, more freedom. And more openness instead of closed publication processes. Freedom and transparency.

      Interestingly, to the extent we become aware of current fraud and corruption, it's generally because someone is free to examine something transparently. Imagining a system to prevent such fraud and corruption in the first place, via a layering of bureaucracy . . . it defies sense. You offer an endless litany of adjustments, of cunning kludges, of epicycles, of tweaks, of duct tape applied where no bolt will do. "Since implementing A will cause problem B, we'll implement C to fix B, which may eventuate problem D, but that's no problem because we can E and F and if any G crops up, H will come along and . . . "

      It's like Dr. Seuess's "The Cat in the Hat Comes Back," with all his little cats who help each previous cat resolve the issues they each foisted on the unfolding lunacy." The culminus? http://goo.gl/2EW0H

      Bah. Not to impugn you personally. But the ideas are outrageously bonkers.

    23. Re:Dystopic Reward System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More so, it points to the decent of the post-modern university into a predatory, duplicitous criminal subculture. Just as any orthodoxy is a conspiracy to prevent change, the cartelization of postmodern education has produced serial fraud; defrauding students; defrauding grant issuers; defrauding stakeholders... and it all began with the 'parlor relativism' that created a superior culture of mass cheating and serial fraud in the submission and operation of departmental budgets.

      So, in recent decades the general flow of the post-modern hegelian effluent is thus: a) matriculation through the cartelized education rackets; b) credentialism purchased by tutition debt; c) harvesting university brand into a state or federal government sponsored payroll; d) ascendency into positions of government rule; e) further protectionism and enhanced cartelization and enrichment of education bureaucracy insiders; f) formal matriculation into 'the government family' as a vested insider; g) dampen the impacts of shame and conscientiousness upon the ivy-woven universidadacal intelligentsia with mass-prescribed anti-anxiety and SSRI drugs; h) reclassify citizens by dehumanization by characterizing them as mere 'civilians' not otherwise a part of the government family or other significant alumnus identity.

      This brings us to the scandalous era of corporatism that stitches together our still ad hoc ruling class society. The stitching has gotten much tighter under Obama; so tight it might lack the cultural tensile strength to hold.

      We face of tyranny of obsolete victorian-era provincialisms. From the profound relative illiteracy of our most highly-credentialed university graduates to the federal code and construct of federal agencies invented from whole cloth during the era of corporate Taylorism, concocted by narrowly-educated lawyer-technicians and Taylorists to preside over an era that no longer exists is a credible knowledge base; as obsolete as Eugenics, Phrenology, Behavioralism, Tabla Rosa and the perfection of Progressive Man under Scientific Socialism --- every bit of which is obsolete and scandalously anti-science.

      Of what good is he who speaks three romance languages but cannot write a line of code? Are they fit to set corporate or national policy? Are they fit to control who may judge how society must be organized?

      The same can be said of those illiterate in teleology and ontology, who have no scholarly training in metaphysics or the traditional scholarship that was dismantled and flushed by the post modern hegelian hordes of critical therorists and others worshiping the false religions of dialects, dialectical materialism and empiricism.

      We are being "run" by academic stooges who are so bound to the mystical worshiping of 'actual facts' and empirical truth, they preside over our university-government complex as perverse denial of the Heisenberg Principle that renders their precious empiricism and reductionism for the hopelessly corrupted religion that is has become. A religion that worships themselves and the credentials that comprise the little that is left of their soul murdered identities provided to them by title and credentializing affiliation.

      And they are paid very well to protect it. They are presently well-entrenched and better than you because -- if only in that they are virtually immune from prosecution.

      The military-industrial complex was a dangerous thing. However, the university-government complex is the greater malignancy upon our national government.

    24. Re:Dystopic Reward System by jklovanc · · Score: 2

      The article I quoted was to refute your claim that only corporate funded research has issues. All 11 papers done by this researcher that were found to be fraudulent were funded by the government. The government is a form of pooled funding; people pay taxes and the government decided who to fund.

      You have said that journals will not publish negative papers. Care to post some references at to this actually happening? Here are a couple of issues you seem to have missed as well. Pressure from universities to publish or not get tenure. Pressure from Universities to bring external funding to the University.

      The CFO and the CTO will typically be in a political war with each other and it doesn't get better or saner anywhere else in most companies.

      Do you know a large number of CFOs and CTOs? Are you intimately familiar with their interactions? Care to cite any papers on corporations being "split-brained and schizophrenic"?

      Companies are much the same. It's more profitable to file patents without doing the work, since work costs. The less work you can do, the more money you make. At the limit, you do nothing and get everything. That's where the big money is.

      Are you even reading what you are writing? We are discussing corporate funding of research. I see no difference between corporations doing the work and funding the work; it is still millions of dollars being spent on research whether it is done in a private lab or a University. True a corporation would like to "do nothing and get everything" but they understand that is not the way things work so spend millions on research. In fact your "pooled" solution can facilitate the "do nothing" issue. Say an industry does not contribute to a pool but researchers submit proposals that would research technology helpful to them. If the research is done the companies who contributed nothing will benefit from the "pool; spend nothing get something.

      All your comments are generalizations and unsupported by any references. You ask for references but do not seem to need to supply references. Who do you think is worse; the corporation who funds research they need or the researcher who ignores all standards of honor, honesty and ethics who publish papers they know are false? In my mind the researcher is no more than a sophisticated thief and can do continuing damage when their false papers are referred to.

    25. Re:Dystopic Reward System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude.

      Each government is a corporation. Each university is a corporation. They are all corporations.

      Beware the lie "non profit." Somebody is always profiting. Yet another argument against cartelized markets; whether restricted by fiat of government or other construct of racketeering, a cartelized market is a corrupt market.

      There is nothing more honest in human affairs that openly-earned profit.

      Why else would politicians, academics and bureaucrats hate profit so? It's their embarrassment; the last remnants of personal shame. They can't handle the humiliation by comparison. They lie, cheat and steal to make their lives profitable --- and they are credentialed as best of the best and better than you because -- then of course everybody else must do it the same way and are also lying about what they did and how they did it.

      Welcome to the Democratic mind. Profit is evil, but only in somebody else's pocket.

    26. Re:Dystopic Reward System by jd · · Score: 1

      I said:

      Scientists MUST be free to say a claim is wrong, obtain negative results or otherwise get results corporations aren't going to like.

      I did NOT say corporate funding was bad, I SAID corporate funding should be decoupled from research. I am reading what I write, you clearly are not. Either learn to read or bugger off. I see no point in continuing a discussion where you are aiming to find things to object to, even when they aren't there.

      I did NOT say there should be no corporate funding, I SAID that researchers should be free to criticize claims. If you wish to debate what I discuss, fine, but if you wish to moronically jabber then I have no interest.

      --
      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    27. Re:Dystopic Reward System by Kehvan · · Score: 1

      I have an easier solution that doesn't require an overbearing, additional layer of bureaucracy... The scientific method -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method "1. Define a question 2. Gather information and resources (observe) 3. Form an explanatory hypothesis 4. Test the hypothesis by performing an experiment and collecting data in a reproducible manner 5. Analyze the data 6. Interpret the data and draw conclusions that serve as a starting point for new hypothesis 7. Publish results 8. Retest (frequently done by other scientists)" If this process is followed, it shouldn't matter where the funding comes from.

    28. Re:Dystopic Reward System by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Next, there need to be central scientific libraries that collect ALL journals (regardless of obscurity)

      Start several obscure journals.
      Sell them for $799 per copy to each "central scientific library"
      PROFIT !!!

      --
      Contribute to civilization: ari.aynrand.org/donate
    29. Re:Dystopic Reward System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry to reply so late, but I only get use of slashdot on weekends.

      I agree with what you say, but I find that one of the most important requirements "reproducing results" is too difficult to achieve. Let's suppose you have some research that requires a good deal of money to create hardware or that has access to particular pieces of infrastructure. That means that research becomes even more expensive because grants have to account for reproduction costs. Also, it would be difficult to find scientists willing to spend their time reproducing others results when they need to do their own stuff in order to get the glory...

      As I said, I like the idea, I just think that actually implementing it is too difficult.

  4. nope by geekoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    retractions is a bad measurement.

    More and more data is open and available, so when 1 person committed fraud, it impacts many papers that come after it. The paper aren't committing fraud, there the victim of the first guy.

    So I could commit frauds, and after 10 year it could impact 100 papers.
    So retraction is a very poor way to determine this.

    --
    The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    1. Re:nope by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I'm beginning to suspect these claims of widespread fraud have more to do with some pretty bizarre metrics on the part of those making the claim. It makes great headlines, but I think there's something rather fishy about it.

      --
      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    2. Re:nope by sphealey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      = = = Indeed. I'm beginning to suspect these claims of widespread fraud have more to do with some pretty bizarre metrics on the part of those making the claim. It makes great headlines, but I think there's something rather fishy about it. = = =

      Lot of pushback on the so-called "fraud epidemic" on the academic science blogs. The emerging concensus is that the campaign is part of a softening-up process for anti-climate science actions.

      sPh

    3. Re:nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fraud epidemic denial. Skepticism is good. In this case. Got it.

    4. Re:nope by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      retractions is a bad measurement.

      You do have to consider other explanations, e.g. maybe the internet makes it easier for scientists to get their hands on sufficient information to detect fraud, or maybe even journals have become more responsible about retracting articles one they're shown to be bad.

      Orthogonal lines of evidence would indeed be useful for understanding what is going on.

      --
      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    5. Re:nope by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I suspect an investigation into journalistic fraud would be far more fruitful. But I tend to agree with you, only because only those miserable fuckers at the Heartland Institute would spread around a lie like "retraction == fraud".

      --
      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    6. Re:nope by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Do you think that retractions in journals equates to fraud?

      --
      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    7. Re:nope by bigdavex · · Score: 2

      retractions is a bad measurement.

      Good point. Contradictory religions have a low rate of retractions. This doesn't mean they're all reliable.

      --
      -Dave
    8. Re:nope by WhatAreYouDoingHere · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I think this study itself may perhaps be an example of the scientific fraud that they are describing.

      Is that irony?

      --
      "What are you doing here, Elijah?"
    9. Re:nope by harlequinn · · Score: 1

      = = = Indeed. I'm beginning to suspect these claims of widespread fraud have more to do with some pretty bizarre metrics on the part of those making the claim. It makes great headlines, but I think there's something rather fishy about it. = = =

      Lot of pushback on the so-called "fraud epidemic" on the academic science blogs. The emerging concensus is that the campaign is part of a softening-up process for anti-climate science actions.

      sPh

      Here is my suggestion - you can look at this a few different ways:

      If this article is correct, then the defence of those committing the fraud will be to call bullshit on the article and suggest that it's the "science deniers" pushing this article (oh double irony - in that they're the ones denying it and suggesting the science deniers are using science to deny it and further their own denial agenda).

      If this article is indeed bullshit then there will be a reaction from the science community to try and deny the article any credit. Currently, as you've suggested, they seem to be following a paranoid consensus of the climate science deniers being behind the article to soften up the science community in preparation to make science that shows no adverse climate change as legitimate (again the irony - scientists not using science to suggest science deniers are using science to soften up the community to discredit science they are accused of not understanding or denying - haha so ironic).

      These two courses of action are almost identical in appearance. There may be other simpler or more convoluted explanations, which, like my examples, may or may not be true.

      So unless someone, somewhere, can come up with some real evidence to show a hidden agenda behind this article then everything else is pretty much conjecture.

    10. Re:nope by ioshhdflwuegfh · · Score: 1

      retractions is a bad measurement.

      What does this sentence mean? Bad measurement of what?

    11. Re:nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's that issue, but there's also the issue of the results being published widely before the results are peer reviewed. It isn't the scientists fault per se, but it does lead to a lot of looniness like with alcohol being regarded in alternating ways ever few months. The results are usually from small scale research which haven't been peer reviewed, but look good when printed for selling newspapers.

      There definitely needs to be more rewards given to the people that peer review and those that find outright fraud rather than results that don't reproduce.

    12. Re:nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, they'd probably resort to name calling too, huh?

    13. Re:nope by j-beda · · Score: 1

      I suspect it means "number of retractions" is a poor measurement of "rate of scientific fraud".

      The little graph accompanying the article itself shows that only about 1/3 or less of the retractions are "fraud" related.

      Increases in fraud retractions could be just the result of increased scrutiny, or increased transparency - maybe fraud itself is on the decline.

    14. Re:nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean those same " miserable fuckers at the Heartland Institute" who were victims of climate scientist, MacArthur "Genius" and scientific society Ethics Committee Chairman Peter Gleick's self-admitted identity theft of internal documents, and apparent concoction of a further fraudulent document in an attempt to damage Heartland's reputation and donors?

    15. Re:nope by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The Heartland Institute has victimized enough scientists in multiple areas of research that I'm sure they'll survive such an attack, if what you say is true.

      --
      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    16. Re:nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except "climate science" is not science ... as for "emerging concensus" [sic] ... you mean that it is only "emerging" and not yet a "consensus" and that if it was a "consensus" that would make it OK ? ... do I follow you ?

    17. Re:nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And whoes fraud is it? The ghostwriters?

    18. Re:nope by ioshhdflwuegfh · · Score: 1

      I suspect it means "number of retractions" is a poor measurement of "rate of scientific fraud".

      It is nevertheless a measurement of bad science. If I retract a paper because I spotted after publication an honest error that invalidates the claims I make in the paper, I am honest but still doing bad science.

      The little graph accompanying the article itself shows that only about 1/3 or less of the retractions are "fraud" related.

      No, the article does not say "fraud" related, but fraud related, and on the rise as well.

      Increases in fraud retractions could be just the result of increased scrutiny, or increased transparency - maybe fraud itself is on the decline.

      Since nobody measured "fraud itself", we don't know about its level, so, yes, you can formulate any hypothesis here you'd like: maybe it declines, unless it is on the rise. Given what the authors find, the first hypothesis is suspicious. Or maybe fraud is systemic, when the "true" trend wouldn't mean much even if we knew it.

  5. Plausible...a trend that is self amplifying by ShooterNeo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The more scientists who commit fraud and outcompete honest scientists for funding, the higher the bar becomes for the honest scientists. With dwindling tenure positions (and far more scientists competing for those positions), in order to be considered for tenure you have to meet very high productivity standards : a large number of peer reviewed papers in high-impact journals.

    Well, real research takes time, money, and if it's good research, it will FAIL most of the time. It HAS to fail...to find something truly new you have to leave the bounds of existing knowledge, and most solutions anyone attempts are going to fail. The only way to guarantee an experiment will succeed is to :

                1. Research something you really already know the answer to. Hence the popularity of further research on the dangers of smoking. Throw a dart at a picture of a human body, check if someone else has researched it, if not, check. You will "discover" that cigarette smoke is quite harmful to or increases the prevalence of . This kind of research is not fraud, per say, but is really boring to high impact journals SO
                2. Discover something marginal with real research, then use photoshop and obscure statistical methods to make it look like you have a real discovery. Make outlandish claims about the prospect of your discovery revolutionizing everything.

    And so on. The problem is, there ARE real discoveries made, every now and then, that would be huge IF large sums of money were spent to develop the REAL advances. But, if you have 10 fakers for every legitimate discovery, and you try to fund them all equally, most of the money gets wasted and so we live in a society without effective treatments for cancer, without a cost effective way to reach low earth orbits, without any of the other things that technology theoretically could make possible.

    1. Re:Plausible...a trend that is self amplifying by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Discover something marginal with real research, then use photoshop and obscure statistical methods to make it look like you have a real discovery. Make outlandish claims about the prospect of your discovery revolutionizing everything.

      This is so true, particularly in small or relatively new fields, and particularly in the "softer" sciences. I took a course a few years back concerning a relatively small subfield of cognitive studies (an area which intersects with another obscure discipline), and the instructor assigned a half dozen papers to read each week, and class members would present a summary.

      Basically, the instructor ended up using the primary literature of the field to show us how not to do good scientific research. About 90% of the time someone would point out a major "significant" correlation, the instructor would ask: but how many correlations did they try? Sometimes, there would be dozens and dozens of potential correlations checked in the article, and the one or two that actually worked would be touted as of "major significance."

      Except when you try that many things, chances are something's going to correlate with something else. If you set your threshold at 95% confidence (common in soft science experiments where you don't have enough funding to get a lot of subjects), you'll get a correlation from random data about 1 out of 20 times. If you do dozens of correlations, you'll always find something.

      But that wasn't the worst of it. The experiments were often poorly designed, because as an interdisciplinary subfield, most of the researchers didn't actually understand both areas that well. But the ambiguous manipulation of data then was generally used to justify the most absurd claims in the discussion section -- sweeping generalizations about how these findings might revolutionize our understanding of how the brain works or some other incredibly broad statement (usually false on its face, because the experiment was almost always so badly designed that it couldn't even say anything about the tiny subfield itself).

      And then -- the worst part. Future articles would propagate the absurd sweeping conclusions from the discussions sections as if they were fact. A decade later, many of these claims had become "accepted knowledge" in the field.

      I'd say about 75% of the articles we looked at -- and almost all of them were frequently cited and published in the central journals of the field -- were guilty of some sort of extreme bias in experiment design, data manipulation, or grossly exaggerated conclusions.

      I know these things are far less frequent in the "hard" sciences, but the things I took away from this course were (1) how to read scientific articles carefully, and (2) there's a lot of crap being published out there that is barely "scientific."

    2. Re:Plausible...a trend that is self amplifying by jd · · Score: 3, Informative

      Agreed. However, it's all about "survival of the fittest". The current system favours the least work (since doing less means you can write more, and writing more means a higher citation score, which in turn means more funding), the work least likely to fail (negative results don't get published) and the work least likely to contradict prior work (repeat studies also don't get published).

      In order for quality science to survive, it HAS to be the fittest for purpose, which means we've got to change the purpose so that the above three flaws are selected against and not for.

      --
      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    3. Re:Plausible...a trend that is self amplifying by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      In my course of getting a Phychology degree, we essentially covered how to get a survey to say whatever you want. If you want 95% of people to say UFOs exist, I can make a survey that will get you that result. If you want a survey that shows 95% of people don't believe in UFOs, I can make a survey that will get you that result. And if either doesn't work, I will fake the results. So any "soft" studies are viewed as lies by me until proved otherwise.

    4. Re:Plausible...a trend that is self amplifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, that sounds like an instructor I would have liked to meet. Now the million dollar question: was the instructor himself/herself doing any better than the examples you were going through? No scientist can avoid the pressure to make regular publications, whether they have discovered any new significant results or not.

  6. Money and science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"
    --Upton Sinclair

    Money and science are an uneasy mix at the best of times, and it's downright poisonous when there are concerted, well-funded efforts to undermine science on multiple fronts.

  7. Re:of course by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

    Who isn't a scientist and doesn't publish in journals, so has nothing to retract from them. You might as well say "I've been saying this for years about Ron Jeremy".

    --
    The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
  8. Numbers are blown out of proportion by gotfork · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So there's 196 papers retracted since 2001? That's far less than the number of papers published in my subfield (condensed matter physics) each day. It's simply easier to find the tiny fraction that do cheat now that everything is more readily available.

    1. Re:Numbers are blown out of proportion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are over 70,000 condensed matter physics articles published each year? How does shit like this get +5?

    2. Re:Numbers are blown out of proportion by ilguido · · Score: 3, Informative

      So there's 196 papers retracted since 2001?

      What? They put a nice graph to make it clear even to condensed matter physicists. There are 742 retracted papers in ten years (2000-2009), in the PubMed database and they increased from 3 in 2000 to 180 in 2009. 196 were fraudulent papers, 235 included some mistakes (they can't tell if those were intentional or not) and 311 were retracted for other reasons (including: those poor guys that based their work on prior forged papers).

    3. Re:Numbers are blown out of proportion by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Absolute amount of retractions is a stupid measurement. The number of retractions increased? Fine. How much did the total of published papers increase?

      Mart

      --
      "I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
    4. Re:Numbers are blown out of proportion by ilguido · · Score: 1

      The five lines abstract reads:

      Titus Andronicus writes "Scientific fraud has always been with us. But as stated or suggested by some scientists, journal editors, and a few studies, the amount of scientific 'cheating' has far outpaced the expansion of science itself. According to some, the financial incentives to 'cut corners' have never been greater, resulting in record numbers of retractions from prestigious journals. From the article: 'For example, the journal Nature reported that published retractions had increased tenfold over the past decade, while the number of published papers had increased by just 44 percent.'"

  9. asia is real big on tech the test and cheating by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    asia is real big on tech the test and cheating aka (copying others) / doing solo work as group.

    But this is what you get when it's all about your test score and not about knowing what the test covers.

    Now we need to have a LOT more classes based on real work with maybe even no test / finale or a finale that useing more a real work setting.

    Also more tech / vol schools so college can take the load off and people can go to classes where they learn real skills and not loads of theory.

    College for all just drags college down and most jobs should need some post high school learning but not just college and not 4 years of it. Even 2 years of pure classroom is pushing it as well.

    1. Re:asia is real big on tech the test and cheating by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      asia is real big on tech the test and cheating

      Since NCLB linked money to performance on tests, US school districts have become big fans of cheating.

      --
      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    2. Re:asia is real big on tech the test and cheating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that in many cases... the cheating is still an improvement over what they were doing before...

  10. Retraction != Fraud by yesterdaystomorrow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In my experience as a scientist, what has increased is the pressure to publish quickly. So, people publish results that haven't been checked as much as they perhaps should be. But this is not fraud, and perhaps it's even healthy. Better to get crazy results out there than bury them in notebooks: sometimes they turn out to be major discoveries.

    1. Re:Retraction != Fraud by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Better to get crazy results out there than bury them in notebooks: sometimes they turn out to be major discoveries.

      That is true. However, if the results aren't firm, it is dishonest to present them as a major discovery. Lots of people are looking to make their results sound much more significant than they are to secure more grants or even to try to a hit in the media. The pressure isn't just to publish quickly, but also to publish ostentatiously. This leads to crazy conclusions and discussion sections that have little relationship to a reasonable interpretation of the significance of the data.

      The greater problem (in my view) isn't outright fraud or even incompetence in results that brings about a retraction -- it's gross exaggeration of the significance of results. (Most of the time, this won't even lead to a retraction.) Those unreliable "conclusions" often influence how future research is done, what is assumed knowledge in the field, etc.

    2. Re:Retraction != Fraud by oldhack · · Score: 1

      Where do you draw the line between fraud and negligence?

      --
      Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
    3. Re:Retraction != Fraud by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      So, [developers release applications] that haven't been [formally tested] as much as they perhaps should be. But this is not fraud, and perhaps it's even healthy. Better to get [software] out there than bury them in notebooks: sometimes they turn out to be major [milk cows].

      In my experience as a developer what has increased is my age and my insistence on a clean but flexible line between the time-and-effort my employer has purchased and my remaining stock of time-and-effort.

      --
      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    4. Re:Retraction != Fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I completely agree that a retraction does not mean fraud. It also does not mean negligence or rushed results, either.

      Sometimes a scientist might discover something and publish it, but a year later after further experimentation with new methods/equipment find a strange blip in the data that was never noticed before. On closer analysis, you realize your theory wasn't quite what you thought it was before. Either the theory has an exception, doesn't fully explain the event, or is completely wrong.

      Or perhaps another scientist finds an error or flaw in your work, and as a good scientist you retract the paper. That's just how science works.

    5. Re:Retraction != Fraud by ioshhdflwuegfh · · Score: 1

      In my experience as a scientist, what has increased is the pressure to publish quickly. So, people publish results that haven't been checked as much as they perhaps should be.

      In some sciences there is so-called peer-review process. So it seems to me that scientists you mention who publish not thoroughly checked papers point also to the failure of the journals you don't mention to do at least semi-decent peer-reviewing process.

      But this is not fraud, and perhaps it's even healthy. Better to get crazy results out there than bury them in notebooks: sometimes they turn out to be major discoveries.

      So for instance, when some not sufficiently checked results for medical treatments get published, you'd say that this is perhaps healthy?

    6. Re:Retraction != Fraud by yesterdaystomorrow · · Score: 1

      In my experience as a scientist, what has increased is the pressure to publish quickly. So, people publish results that haven't been checked as much as they perhaps should be.

      In some sciences there is so-called peer-review process. So it seems to me that scientists you mention who publish not thoroughly checked papers point also to the failure of the journals you don't mention to do at least semi-decent peer-reviewing process.

      Peer reviewers can't check everything, especially when the conclusion results from elaborate analysis of data from complex apparatus. Sometimes you detect bonehead mistakes, but usually your focus is more on clarity than correctness: do the authors explain their methods and reasoning in enough detail that someone else can repeat the research?

      But this is not fraud, and perhaps it's even healthy. Better to get crazy results out there than bury them in notebooks: sometimes they turn out to be major discoveries.

      So for instance, when some not sufficiently checked results for medical treatments get published, you'd say that this is perhaps healthy?

      Absolutely yes! It is the physician's responsibility to avoid basing treatments on results that haven't been independently confirmed. It is the researcher's responsibility to publish: how else will you get that independent confirmation? Other researchers need to know what they should attempt to confirm or falsify.

      We're talking about the science of the journals here. This is raw "source code", checked to some degree, but not debugged. The debugging takes place in the community: if you don't publish, your results will never get properly debugged.

    7. Re:Retraction != Fraud by ioshhdflwuegfh · · Score: 1

      [...]

      Peer reviewers can't check everything, especially when the conclusion results from elaborate analysis of data from complex apparatus. Sometimes you detect bonehead mistakes, but usually your focus is more on clarity than correctness: do the authors explain their methods and reasoning in enough detail that someone else can repeat the research?

      Yes, I agree with you here about referee's role, but not about authors role. It is necessary but not sufficient to explain methodology so anybody could repeat it. It is necessary also that if repeated the measurement from the paper, the same results are obtained. The one of many reasons is also so that other people do not have to repeat often expensive measurements.

      But this is not fraud, and perhaps it's even healthy. Better to get crazy results out there than bury them in notebooks: sometimes they turn out to be major discoveries.

      So for instance, when some not sufficiently checked results for medical treatments get published, you'd say that this is perhaps healthy?

      Absolutely yes! It is the physician's responsibility to avoid basing treatments on results that haven't been independently confirmed. It is the researcher's responsibility to publish: how else will you get that independent confirmation?

      In science there is no such thing as "independent confirmation". The whole point of publishing an academic scientific paper is to have an independently obtained results that are claimed in the paper. Imagine only that we have to "independently check" results obtained in particle accelerators.

      Recall how the "neutrinos faster than speed of light" claim ended: not by imaginary independent checks but by finding the error in measurement, which, among other things, saved work and money of people to further the research in the direction that is now very likely would have led nowhere. If someone is still crazy enough to study speed of neutrinos in order to prove that they are faster than light and then finds that they are indeed faster than light, well that still would not make the previous measurements correct.
      How about claims? Would that not confirm at least the claims of the former paper? Yes, but the science is not about claiming claims.

      Other researchers need to know what they should attempt to confirm or falsify.

      I disagree, and this has to do also with the referee's role: one of the reason the referees are not supposed to confirm or falsify results of the paper they refer is exactly because it is understood and expected that the authors have tried to do so themselves, to the extent that the field is requiring.

      We're talking about the science of the journals here. This is raw "source code", checked to some degree, but not debugged. The debugging takes place in the community: if you don't publish, your results will never get properly debugged.

      So from my responses so far now is hopefully crystal clear why your approach to doing science and the view of the role of scientific journals is not only non-scientific, but also socially dangerous.

  11. The fish rots from the head down... by ibsteve2u · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When the most corrupt people in America include so many of our most powerful politicians, corporate CEOs, and Wall Street barons it is unreasonable to expect any facet of American society to remain unaffected. The only and only thing you can be sure will "trickle-down" is corruption as the system has been rigged by the corrupt to ensure that it is corruption that pays the big bucks in America.

    --
    Orwell: "In a Time of Universal Deceit, telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act"
  12. Decent validation by Twinbee · · Score: 1

    Has anyone thought of good ways of combating this? Is it possible to have every study "peer reviewed" by a completely independent, impartial party. And by that, I don't just mean the checking the paper itself, but overseeing the ENTIRE experiment from start to finish including the production of the data so that it can't be skewed.

    We'll need double the amount of people, but in the end, science could grow 10x faster.

    --
    Why OpalCalc is the best Windows calc
    1. Re:Decent validation by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

      Also, double the money.

      The question becomes, if we invest double the money and double the number of people, should we invest it in checking results or in expanding into more directions?

      --
      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    2. Re:Decent validation by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Checking surely? Even if someone thinks their own motives are genuine, sometimes they can fool themselves.

      We go the extra mile with the double blind test gold standard, yet the factor of scientific fraud and deceit is perhaps an even greater issue. I think even having 2 people (unrelated) watching over each experiment from each scientist would be of great benefit to everybody in the end.

      As someone else said, an inaccurate paper can affect all the papers which come to rely on that as a source, multiplying the 'bug' in a deadly way.

      --
      Why OpalCalc is the best Windows calc
    3. Re:Decent validation by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Is it possible to have every study "peer reviewed" by a completely independent, impartial party. And by that, I don't just mean the checking the paper itself, but overseeing the ENTIRE experiment from start to finish including the production of the data so that it can't be skewed.

      The "impartial" party would need to be made scientists of the same area of research to have the know-how to oversee the experiment, at which point it becomes "you cover my ass and I cover yours".

      --

      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    4. Re:Decent validation by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Yes, but maybe we could engineer the industry so that the checking scientist has nothing to gain or lose by hiding anything. One step towards that outcome is by ensuring they can't check each other's work at any point (only one sided).

      At least three different research departments would be needed:
      A checks B
      B checks C
      C checks A

      Would that work? I'm just throwing ideas around, but someone's gotta try. If that too becomes a circle-jerk, then maybe we could try this:

      A checks D
      B checks E
      C checks F
      (where A/B/C can't publish any papers of their own, and are paid a fixed amount).

      There's got to be something we can do, to at least mitigate the problem.

      --
      Why OpalCalc is the best Windows calc
    5. Re:Decent validation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think there is quite a bit of confusion among nonscientists about what peer review means. Really there are two parts: the formal Peer Review which is a well defined process before publication, and more general "peer review", which includes happens post publication, and where for the most part the process you're describing happens.

      The purpose of Peer Review is the most basic filter - to make sure the work is interesting, complete, and coherently presented. It is not to make sure the data is 100% completely correct and reproducible. This is taken care of after publication, by groups who want to take the next step.

      In order to build off someone else's results directly, the *first* step is always to reproduce them. This is less because you find them suspect, but to make sure that you understand what was done and are proceeding correctly. It has the added benefit of catching cases where results are fraudulent or otherwise invalid.

      If they wish to build off that work indirectly, they will have to show that their results using a different method or setup are consistent with yours. If it isn't that means that someone is wrong, and the problem gets increased attention until it is resolved.

      So basically if your work is interesting, people will have to reproduce or otherwise validate your results in order to do their own research. If nobody does this, it's because your work probably wasn't very interesting.

      If you want to include validation as part of the formal process, you incur several penalties. First of all, it will be more than double the amount of resources - usually Peer Review involves 2 or 3 referees. Second, reproducing an experiment from scratch is usually not trivial. Especially for cutting edge research, in can take months to years to ramp up and learn how to perform an experiment correctly; there is considerable skill involved. If a lab already has all the expertise, not to mention the equipment, that usually means they are competitors, which represents a pretty serious conflict of interest. Speaking of which, once somebody peer reviews your work in this way, they will most certainly become your competitors, as you have now waited for them to reach your level of sophistication and know how. In addition, they will have had access to your results far before everyone else.

      The result is that work will take vastly longer to be released, there are now many perverse incentives added to the review process, and afterward, if a researcher wants to do similar research, they still have to do their own ramp up and validation. The cost will be much greater, and overall science proceeds much slower. You are probably, though not guaranteed, to catch bad research this way, but the much much larger volume of legitimate research will be unnecessarily bogged down.

    6. Re:Decent validation by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Gahh. Pet peeve of mine: I have come to the conclusion that people on the American side of the Atlantic don't understand what a model or a theory is for.

      Science is not a collection of facts: it is a collection of theories supported by facts. When someone tries to publish something without model or explanation, it is your duty as a reviewer to reject the article with great prejudice. Because it it the theories that advance science.

      This is because although the experiments will not get repeated (sure, they might if we scientists had job security and enough funding -- won't happen), the theories and models will get tested with new experiments. And this is really how science advances. Real science is the formulation of theories and not testing randomly new drugs: this also has marginal utility, but can never be as solid as, say, the theory of gravitation. Therefore, don't be surprised when people publish results that turn out to be a fluke, when they are pressed for time: this is because the reviewers accepted papers which were not framed within theories. Models and theories based on first principles are the only thing one can be reasonably certain of...

      I suspect that the reason climate science and evolution are misunderstood in America more than elsewhere is that the education system here does not emphasize systematic knowledge and the power of models. Evolution cannot be "experimentally proven". but it can be used to formulate a great number of hypotheses which can then be verified experimentally.

    7. Re:Decent validation by ioshhdflwuegfh · · Score: 1

      There's got to be something we can do, to at least mitigate the problem.

      Perhaps the first step could be to formulate the problem.

    8. Re:Decent validation by gillbates · · Score: 1

      "Evolution cannot be "experimentally proven". but it can be used to formulate a great number of hypotheses which can then be verified experimentally."

      You seem not to understand that here in America, when we talk of evolution, we are talking of the naturalist philosophy that God doesn't exist. It has nothing to do with experimentally verifiable theories and everything to do with discrediting Christianity and the Biblical account of creation.

      Which is why you can teach genetics, but not "Evilution". Americans are generally not as ignorant as our atheist critics would have you believe.

      --
      The society for a thought-free internet welcomes you.
    9. Re:Decent validation by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 1

      I suspect you are a troll. But for the sake of the argument, here goes.

      Evolution describes a mechanism by which we can explain the apparition and disappearance of species, how they are related, why they are spread the way they are around the Earth. It makes prediction about the sequence of fossils and genetic relatedness between species.

      And yes, the understatement is that god is wholly unnecessary to explain all this. In the same way that they are unnecessary to explain why planets don't fall into another, or the balance of elements in the universe, or how electrical circuits are formed or the colour of the sky.

      If you understand genetics, then it follows that evolution must occur: the imperfect transmission of information under the external pressure of reproduction causes evolution. Genetics is also wholly at odds with the biblical account of creation (basically, there seems indeed to be an Adam and an Eve, but they were separated by tens of thousands of years and thousands of kilometres, also, it is entirely unsurprising that everyone is somehow related: we share most of our genes!). The Genesis account is internally inconsistent, sexist and silly at the same time anyway -- it is even polytheist.

      From your comment, I have to conclude that yes, Americans are undereducated in precisely the way I described.

    10. Re:Decent validation by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      When someone tries to publish something without model or explanation, it is your duty as a reviewer to reject the article with great prejudice.

      Wait, do you review papers? Do you do this? Because a lot of good science, maybe the best science, is finding new data, not trying to come up with some random interpretation at the end.

      For example, if you found a bundle of nerves connecting the Broca and Wernicke regions of the brain, it would be interesting enough to neurologists to publish on its own, you wouldn't (and probably shouldn't) try to jam it into some model. If someone built a map of a worms neurons, that would easily be enough to stand on its own in a paper. The attempts to interpret may, and have, gone on for years, but present the data as is. They don't need a 'model.'

      In layman terms, when mythbusters performs an experiment to see if goldfish can be trained to swim through a maze, and the fish do it, they can publish their interpretation as "yes." That is enough. But the experiment details are more important.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    11. Re:Decent validation by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 1

      Yes, I review -- quite a lot, and yes, I tend to reject papers with no models. I also work in a field were this is usually not excusable. I don't of course systematically reject papers on the ground that they have no models, but the threshold for acceptance of a purely experimental/descriptive paper is significantly higher: the experiment must be interesting, new and well described. They must also be sufficiently complete that they say something in themselves about what they purport to describe.

      Because if the experiments are not attached to a model, and they won't likely be reproduced exactly by anyone, you better go the extra kilometre to convince me you were extra careful, reviewed the literature for similar or connected results, and really thought about being complete and correct.

      Also curve fitting doesn't count as a model. And I care not one wit where you come from, or who you are -- I usually look at who wrote the paper after I read it. Just so you know: some of us reviewers really care about the quality of what is coming out.

    12. Re:Decent validation by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      What field do you work in?

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    13. Re:Decent validation by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 1

      Somewhere in the realm of physical sciences, though I have contributed to biological research. This being the Internet, and me valuing privacy, I will not be more precise. But I am a bona fide researcher :)

    14. Re:Decent validation by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I'm just trying to imagine a field of scientists that do nothing but sit around theorizing all the time. Not worrying about experiments so much.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    15. Re:Decent validation by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 1

      Oh, experiments are very important. But science is really about building models and theories. If you just do experiments, you are a glorified technician, no a scientist. For example, so you want to figure out what parameter A has on process B. You can then vary A and perform a certain number of experiments. If you then simply report the results, without having explored the mechanism which relates A and B, I will reject your paper.

      You must explain your results, explain how they relate to what we know, and put forth a reasonable model which tells me what will happen if I vary A further. Otherwise, unless the effect of A on B is amazingly interesting and non-obvious, and you did lots of (careful) measures, you are wasting everybody's time.

    16. Re:Decent validation by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Hmmmm, ok, I'm going to guess you are a chemist then, because that sounds like it most closely matches what I know about the field of chemistry. My grandpa was a chemist, but he never touched chemicals, he had research assistants who did all the messy work.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    17. Re:Decent validation by gillbates · · Score: 1

      "Evolution describes..."

      And what leads you to believe this is what is taught as "evolution" in American schools? What you said may be true about the theory of evolution, but it is not true about what is taught under the banner of evolution in the American school system.

      The interesting thing about this is that I, quite frankly, don't trust the Left-leaning American public school establishment to teach science of any kind. I remember being taught in 8th grade that satellite orbits were due not to the balance of forces between rotational acceleration and gravity, but rather, that the satellite was moving so fast that it managed to "miss" the Earth as it fell. It's bad to teach things that are untrue, but much worse when those untruths have significant consequences. Here in the US, evolution is the only scientific theory taught which is not experimentally verifiable, has no predictive power, and has significant gaps in its ability to explain the origins and forms of life, and relies on an astronomically improbable, random event in order to get started. With science misrepresented as some pseudo-intellectual voodoo, it should not surprise anyone that the US lags the industrialized world in accepting the authority of science on subjects such as climate change. In the US at least, the debate over teaching evolution is not a debate about the implications of a scientific theory, but about teaching atheism. As a Christian, I'm content to regard evolution as an explanation of how God created what Genesis describes. But I recognize that what is called "evolution" in our public school system discredits both faith and science.

      As for evolutionary theory itself, even at its best it is still an explanation of how things could have happened, not necessarily how they did. Given that humankind has almost reached the ability to engineer life in a mere 10,000 years, it seems to me more likely that life on Earth is the vestige of the genetic engineering efforts of another. Of course, I can't prove it, but life more closely resembles something engineered (or, more accurately, programmed - with all the code reuse and cruft that entails) than something directed by random events. And the problem evolution encounters - as does any theory about past events, even an engineered life hypothesis - is that the past can't be experimentally verified. At best it will be only an explanation - one of many. An explanation which could be disproven, but never proven. 200 years from now, evolution theory will have changed so much that today's biologists would not recognize it as such.

      100 years ago, evolutionary theories implied that racism was scientifically justifiable. Today, it reveals (or rather, genetics does) that racial distinctions have no significant scientific basis. Imagine if you had lived in the 1800s - would you want your children to be taught racism because it has a scientific basis? If not, perhaps you can understand the objection Christians have to teaching a theory which implies that God does not exist. Even though I can appreciate the distinctions between revealed truths and scientific speculation, such distinctions are difficult for even the general population to make, much less primary and secondary students. As a result, students taught evolution will be inclined to believe that God doesn't exist, in spite of the philosophical problems with such a position. We in America are still dealing with the consequences of racism a full century after scientific racism was discredited, largely due to the fact that science in the 1800's had such a large impact on the culture, and taught things which were not only untrue, but justified immoral behavior.

      --
      The society for a thought-free internet welcomes you.
    18. Re:Decent validation by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 1

      "Moving so fast that you miss the earth" is a good description. In fact it fits better to the most "correct" explanation, which is that the satellite always follows a geodesic in curved space, and that in its particular case, this trajectory misses the Earth. Lies-to-children used to prepare them to understand the bigger truths later on are necessary, because you can't start kindergarten with tensor algebra. Also, if you know maths, you will find that writing the equations of motion in the right frameworks leads to various description of what is an orbit. One of which is the explanation you were given as a kid.

      Because you misunderstand what a theory is, you decided that a perfectly acceptable description was wrong.

      You are clearly a proponent of intelligent design. Now intelligent design is a huge intellectual fraud of a theory, in that it doesn't qualify as a theory: it has no predictive value. You apparently would like schools to teach children that we don't know things we in fact do, apparently on the grounds that there is intrinsic worth in keeping god-as-an-explanation. This is silly.

      Science is a beautiful tapestry of interconnected pieces. Its goal is not merely to describe the world, but to be able to make predictions about it. Evolution, like Relativity, Quantum Electro/Chromo-Dynamics, explain things about the world in that they allow numbered predictions. If you think people ought to explain things with god instead... Well, go die. You are free to believe, not peddle ignorance.

  13. WORLDCOMP anyone? by dotbot · · Score: 1

    You may want to start with http://sites.google.com/site/worlddump1/ and generally search for 'WORLDCOMP'. At least some people have been taking a scientific approach to address potential fraud...

  14. College for all / Sports teams (football baseball) by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 0

    College for all / Sports teams (football and baseball)

    football and baseball players at least at some schools leads to cheating or them getting free passing at least at some schools. Now there should be some kind of minor league for baseball and football and players should not be forced to go classes it should be open to them but say some one who is real good at sports but not so much at learning should not have to take a full load of classes and vocational should be open to them as well. Why can't you be on the football team and being taking a vocational class load as well?

  15. Re:of course by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Funny

    You might as well say "I've been saying this for years about Ron Jeremy".

    I'll have you know that Ron Jeremy has done breakthrough work in the field of Combinatorics.

    Specifically, a paper published in the Journal of the American Mathematical Society titled An Application of the Pigeon Hole Principle in Double-Penetration Scenes.

    --
    You are welcome on my lawn.
  16. A reliable way to punish cheater numerically? by cribera · · Score: 1

    By making a list a cheating points, and build a ranking of discredited scientists? Productivity points earned by being published in peer reviewd journals, would easily be lost by being published on the cheater's list. Would this be possible? If not, why?

    1. Re:A reliable way to punish cheater numerically? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      You could do something like that, but it would be redundant. As it is, if someone is shown to be doing fraudulent work they generally lose their position immediately and are effectively blacklisted from further academic work by virtue of having been fired for fraud. It doesn't matter how high up they are; I know of a local university that canned a dept chair for fraud and he is no longer in scientific research.

      The tragedy though is he had some people working in his lab who were not involved in the fraud and they lost their careers by association with him.

      --
      Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
  17. Re:Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like those pesky vaccinations that kept you from dying before you turn 1.

    Yeah, ok.

  18. not necessarily fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Perhaps the journals just don't do enough due-diligence anymore? The rush to publish in a world with 24-hour news and the internet...

    1. Re:not necessarily fraud by ioshhdflwuegfh · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the journals just don't do enough due-diligence anymore? The rush to publish in a world with 24-hour news and the internet...

      Newsflash to you: even in the 21st century science does not operate on 24-hour news basis.

  19. Alternative suggestion. by gstrickler · · Score: 1

    Fraud isn't science, and I don't trust any study that suggests increasing it. I suggest a decrease in fraud.

    --
    make imaginary.friends COUNT=100 VISIBLE=false
  20. Fraud is not the only cause of retraction by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even good studies can have aberrant results that start with promising findings and end in retraction. The fact that retractions are up is not inherently indicative of more fraud, it could just as well be indicative of more pressure and more thorough peer review.

    --
    Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
    1. Re:Fraud is not the only cause of retraction by sensei+moreh · · Score: 1

      it could just as well be indicative of more pressure and more thorough peer review.

      Peer review is supposed to happen before the article gets published.

      --
      Geology - it's not rocket science; it's rock science
    2. Re:Fraud is not the only cause of retraction by skine · · Score: 1

      Usually, only about two peers review the article before it gets published.

      Once the article is published, that means that thousands of peers are able to review it.

    3. Re:Fraud is not the only cause of retraction by ioshhdflwuegfh · · Score: 1

      Usually, only about two peers review the article before it gets published.

      Once the article is published, that means that thousands of peers are able to review it.

      Indeed, but you forget that the peers reviewing it are not peer-reviewers.

    4. Re:Fraud is not the only cause of retraction by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The fact that retractions are up is not inherently indicative of more fraud, it could just as well be indicative of more pressure and more thorough peer review.

      I would hope that the people who wrote the study took that into consideration. Oh look, in the article it says they did. Lovely thing, that article.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    5. Re:Fraud is not the only cause of retraction by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      The fact that retractions are up is not inherently indicative of more fraud, it could just as well be indicative of more pressure and more thorough peer review.

      I would hope that the people who wrote the study took that into consideration. Oh look, in the article it says they did. Lovely thing, that article.

      And strangely enough the graph you linked to shows that the last year whose data they looked at actually had fewer retractions due to fraud than the year prior. Hence the article does not support the headline that slashdot went with.

      --
      Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
    6. Re:Fraud is not the only cause of retraction by udippel · · Score: 1

      Peer review is supposed to happen before the article gets published.

      I need to disappoint you here:
      PeerReview is not on the correctness of the results, even less on the non-fiddling of the data. PeerReview is on the proper grammar, spelling, but mostly on the proper write-up, references, inherent logic, hypothesis, etc.; followed by an estimate if the article is a contribution to science.
      When the reviewer finds the structure of the publication without fault, it is published. Nobody pays a reviewer for a trip in order to evaluate the correctness in the original location, with the original data. If that is possible after all; think about any evaluation done by human testers. Who guarantees that the data have not been "brushed up" ever since? To suit the expectations?
      A former colleague of mine did so for his PhD work. Since the data would not have proven his approach, he had to suitably "correct" them in order to obtain his PhD. So he had thought. And him being in the 95% of the mediocre researchers, nobody ever bothered to dig deeper into the matter. Even his PhD evaluators failed to notice this fact.

      Unfortunately, allow me to add this, there are two independent effects here: Firstly, the pressure to publish increases fraud; if not even necessitates it. Secondly, if one checked the average (not to say mediocre) results, I guess that half would be difficult to reproduce.
      If the author of the original article had done the job correctly, (s)he would have had to prove in the first place how retraction numbers and occurrences of fraud are correlated.

  21. Re:Time to pulish real science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why isn't medicine science? Testing of cures is pretty scientific.
    Why isn't psychology science? Just because its subject of research is the mind doesn't mean it's not scientific.

  22. what planet are you living on? by damn_registrars · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's more money in it now.

    While more money is spent in science, the scientists themselves have in general not had a meaningful raise in some time. Anyone who goes in to science to make money is, to say the least, misguided. Scientific research is often the least profitable venture you can pursue with a PhD.

    The additional money being spent in science is largely going to keep the lights on in the lab. Scientists need to pay for their utilities and consumables, all of which have risen in price while their wages generally have not.

    --
    Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
    1. Re:what planet are you living on? by sandytaru · · Score: 5, Informative

      They also have to fight and squabble for that money in ways they never had to do before, and they're under severe pressure to produce results, any results, within a certain length of time. Not that any scientist at a research institute should automatically get full funding, but they should be funded on a per project basis, instead of for a specific amount or a specific length of time. A hundred thousand dollar grant sounds great, but that's money the scientist doesn't see - it goes to pay the graduate assistants (who are eking out a living at near minimum wage while they finish their own degrees), the materials, the lab fees to the university, etc. A hundred thousand dollar grant will cover perhaps a year of research. The researcher is thus pressured to publish the results of the experiment within that one year, even if the experiment isn't actually done.

      --
      Occasionally living proof of the Ballmer peak.
    2. Re:what planet are you living on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree with you both. Getting funded per project sounds like a blank check for a never-ending project. Face it. Some people are not going to produce any results in part because they aren't cut out to be researchers but should be in some other occupation where, for one thing, they can live comfortably on what they make. The other unpleasant truth is that there is a limit to the point where grants and even research can crack open the secrets of the universe. It often takes time, new technologies and discoveries, and different ways of thinking critically, but not necessarily funding. I don't see any huge cuts in R&D money in the public realm. The fact is that it's just contributing to the public debt in proportion to all the other government expenditures. While it may unfair to blame, let's say, high energy physicists for medicare and social security fiscal insanity, the elephant in the room is that lights are going to go out everywhere when the government can no longer find or print cash. Privately funded R&D may be on the decline, but it could recover, especially if publicly funded R&D has been crowding it out all this time. If there ever is a time when there are significant cuts to public R&D, we may see more of the unprofessional behavior that this article complains about, but then that would confirm what skeptics have suspected about a lot of R&D. Science is making human life better at a faster and faster rate, but the "singularity" or some sort of techno-utopia isn't going to happen on anyone's watch. The people funding all this R&D have to live according to their own means, or in the long run we're all dead.

    3. Re:what planet are you living on? by sandytaru · · Score: 1

      The problem is that all the cheap science has been done already. We're left with nothing but the really expensive science.

      --
      Occasionally living proof of the Ballmer peak.
    4. Re:what planet are you living on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that of the $100k it's quite possible that the university will take around half for overhead under the name of "indirect expenses". That's what's typically supposed to keep the lights on, building open, network connected etc whether the lab uses or needs it or not. It doesn't leave much for direct expenses like salaries and materials. Moreover, if you are looking at US NIH grants every grant that receives a fundable review score only get's a fraction of the requested amount. So propose the science you want to do, get a killer score on the merit of the proposal and then you have to do it with 80% of the money you said it would take.

    5. Re:what planet are you living on? by godrik · · Score: 2

      A hundred thousand dollar grant will cover perhaps a year of research.

      I can tell you, $100 000 does not cover a postdoc for a full year. Approximatively 9 month of postdoc. When you factor in the salary of the postdoc, the benefits, the university tax on all money that goes in, the $100 000 are gone before a year. I am not even talking about the price of the equipement or travel expenses that researcher will have to do at least once a year.

    6. Re:what planet are you living on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The problem is that science is a patronage system. And there isn't a patron in the world that funds research for it's own sake. No not the government either.

      People have their pet peeves, and make sure they advance. Ever notice the complete dearth of anti-global-warming papers ? No matter how right the theory, there should be a few indications that it's wrong. I'm told the number of papers still coming out saying relativity theory is a load of bull is more than one per month. Or perhaps something more concrete : there are a lot of papers that claim DNA is a whole lot more complex than it seems. Very little DNA encodes actual proteins and tons of proteins cannot be found in DNA. Now there's one explanation for this : the first thing our DNA does after conception is set up a compiler, transforming "highlevel" dna into lower level dna. There are lots of indications that this is happening, but it isn't getting funding. Why not ? It is seen as easy ammunition for creationists. There's a certain logic there right ? Why would a natural selection process set up a compiler ? And if we research that compiler, what if we find it looks very logical indeed, say translating from "symbolic" names to addresses (it almost certainly does that), like a computer linker ? Researching this requires intervening in in-operation cell nuclei, which is really expensive, so it gets nowhere without funding. Of course, research here may also mean that we can make very high-level corrections in living beings, having much bigger and more permanent effects than currently possible (maybe ridiculously high level changes like changing someone's skin color in a few weeks are possible if we understand the program directing that color. Such an invention would be a medical means to end racism). And there are other indications that some parts of the human genome didn't evolve, in the sense that they weren't inherited from primates, and they are way too complex to have evolved in the very short term hominids have evolved. Likewise, hardly any funding, though. Of course if we find that something is influencing our genome, we'll understand ourselves better, and maybe we get a good new method for changing genes out of it, making future research so much easier. But you can't tell non-scientists that humans don't really evolve ...

      (when you think about it, this is quite logical. Evolution makes less than one change per generation per individual. So the rate of evolution of our natural enemies, the bacteria, is trillions of times faster than our rate of evolution. So why don't the bacteria win ? We cannot possibly hope to adapt fast enough. Please keep in mind that effective antibacterial medicine exists for maybe 100 years now, and some would say that it was penicillin that kicked it off, started getting in use about 60 years ago, so this is not due to human interference with natural selection)

      There's also "this has been debunked" type of problems. ESP is a dumb problem, because psychologists have pretty thoroughly debunked it, and it's generally got a bad reputation due to loads of idiots pushing it. There's just one problem, on the medical side : the brain is a transmitter, and it's a receiver. It can transmit and receive radio frequency transmissions (at about 4 different frequencies, at very short range, so no you can't sense radio with this). But : brains in proximity will sync the phase of their transmissions. Now that's a big problem : brains of different persons in the same room create a carrier wave between them. Wtf ? Why would brains create a carrier wave between themselves, if not to transmit information ? (You don't need ESP as an explanation of course : maybe it's just a quick way to "spread the mood" between all neurons in the brain, or some other global process like sleep states, and they merely sync up to one another. Then the sync up to other persons is merely an accident, just guessing here). But just try to get this funded. Meanwhile, we're getting nowhere. (the other issue is that the kind of researcher taking this sort of thing on is generally a bit "more open to ESP" shall we say, than average. Resulting in nonsensical papers)

    7. Re:what planet are you living on? by rrohbeck · · Score: 2

      In more civilized countries scientists like profs and postdocs are employed by universities and research organizations and don't have to search for funding all the time. That way they can focus on research, not begging, and don't have to be profit minded. That should also avoid the fake research.

    8. Re:what planet are you living on? by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      And who *does* "search for funding all the time"? There's not a big pool of money that everyone can dip into, and only the researchers themselves can tailor proposals with the detail and insight that are needed by people plunking down the money.
              When I was in a University (in the U.S.), the P.I. still has to find and secure funding for the future. There's not unlimited money guaranteed two years down the line, let alone 7 - 10 years down the line, and certainly little from the University. At the National Lab where I am now, the situation is even worse, and overhead is two to three times what anyone can use for actual research or wages. At least at the University it was "only" 50%.

    9. Re:what planet are you living on? by rrohbeck · · Score: 2

      In Germany, where I went to university, the prof is tenured or is at least employed by the uni like the postdocs and sets the direction of research. Unless the project breaks the budget they're free to do what they want research wise. It's called Freedom of Research and is very highly valued.

    10. Re:what planet are you living on? by khipu · · Score: 1

      While conditions at many universities can be tough, if you're at a top university in field like computer science, medicine, or molecular biology, you can make a very good salary and have lots of consulting opportunities in addition to that. That's one of the reasons science is so competitive: everybody wants to get to the schools that actually make it worthwhile.

    11. Re:what planet are you living on? by Niedi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I honestly cannot remember when I've heard so much misguided pseudoscience stuff for the last time.
      Let's start.
      No papers sceptic on global warming? I was able to find a couple of 100 released since 2011 by just spending 5 minutes on scholar.google.com.
      Non-coding DNA? There's an even simpler explanation: Regulatory sequences. LOADS of them. Each cell only needs a VERY small subset of the proteins encoded. How does the cell know which ones it should express and how many of them? How do the controlling proteins know which sequences they should control? Regulatory elements. (That was was oversimplified, but you get the idea). There is no high-level/low-level DNA, no compiler, no linker. There are epigenetic modifications and posttranslational modifications, but these are for ensuring correct amount and function/transport of the proteins.
      The creationist thing is a strawman. Why would evolution set up a compiler as you suggested it? Because it would allow quicker changes to adapt to different environments which is beneficial for the one having such a thing. In fact HUGELY beneficial. In the same way you could argue that having eyes, ears, etc... is an argument for creationists
      The way too complex parts of the genome? Sorry, citation needed.
      The bacteria thing? They are much simpler in what they can do with their toolset. The thing they can do a lot better due to their simpler construction and high mutation rate (when you take bacteria as a group) is to adapt almost any condition. And in that respect they already "won". In our very own body, bacteria outnumber our own cells by a factor of 10 (wikipedia). Bacteria exist in practically any environment on this planet. So what was your point again?
      I'm not into the transmitter/reciever thing so I can't comment on that other than "citation needed".

    12. Re:what planet are you living on? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      oh scientists _always_ were under pressure to produce results in meaningful time.
      or be put on pikes, thrown out, beheaded etc. it was only for so long a king would a have a phony alchemist in his court.

      it just used to be for a while that you'd only do science if you found someone to pay your living or if you had already such money to throw on it - if you were succesful you were free to pursue whatever you wanted, why you wanted to research something was then your own business.

      basically what that meant that science was not an alternative career to tending tables at the local inn like it is now, science is measured in bulk and people go to science as careers in bulk like fashion, as if they were working their career up in mcdonalds. and unlike mcdonalds "science" can employ a limitless amount of people since it's vague what it is and it is always needed, so a career in minimum pay science becomes more accessible than a management position at nearly minimum at mcd.

      "generic science" is the cancer in this - where you just try to do any "science" to pay the bills and finding new knowledge has very rarely come out from that kind of batting around in the dark. but if that just gets a paper on a journal then scientists nowadays don't care, as they very rarely really have goals for their research they could attain.

      --
      world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
  23. Studies? What studies? by Brandano · · Score: 2

    How am I supposed to trust the results of these studies anyway?

  24. Re:College for all / Sports teams (football baseba by geekoid · · Score: 1

    because we want kids to try. The football team may seem like a path, but for the vast, vast majority of them it will go no where.

    If a child is in high school an displaying football, and is under 6 feet, the parents shouldn't be relying on a foot ball future.

    Since kids a re lazy, and ignorance is a low energy state, we have to set goals for them.

    --
    The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  25. This Week's Conservative Nonsense on Slashdot, By by damn_registrars · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... Soulskill. Thank you. I hadn't been reading slashdot very closely this week and was wondering if I was going to miss out on the blatant conservative pandering that is a regular feature of slashdot's front page. Not to let me down, soulskill comes through.

    Thank you, I guess. And yes, I know I will be moderated straight down to hell for this. But you can't say I'm not right on the matter.

    --
    Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
  26. And contender for the #1 scientific fraud is.. by Paracelcus · · Score: 0

    String theory!

    --
    I killed da wabbit -Elmer Fudd
    1. Re:And contender for the #1 scientific fraud is.. by ioshhdflwuegfh · · Score: 1

      String theory!

      Oh boy, Paracelcus occults that #1 scientific fraud is string theory.

  27. The crazy are starting to look more sane. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's looking like those crazy conspiracy theorists that claim corporate scientists are less than honest are correct. While those that defend such scientists ("but they're scientists they have to be honest") are looking more like religious nuts that refuse to see the truth regarding their idols. As the litigious environment in many western nations demonstrates, a degree doesn't make a person decent. Whether the degree is in law or in a science.

  28. Re:Time to pulish real science by Brian+Feldman · · Score: 1

    Psychology isn't a proper science because it went off the deep end in the 20th century. Little work is ever done to reexamine the basics unlike, say, physics.

    --
    Brian Fundakowski Feldman
  29. Re:This Week's Conservative Nonsense on Slashdot, by Brian+Feldman · · Score: 1

    I can say that you're wrong. Do you even know what "conservative" means?

    --
    Brian Fundakowski Feldman
  30. Increase in fraud or... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    ...increase in transparency? I suspect that there was at least as much of this sort of stuff decades ago but most of it was handled behind closed doors.

    --
    Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
  31. nonsense. i payed good money for these results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and i will be damned if some band of meddling kids and their ridiculous dog will foil my plans!

  32. Re:Time to pulish real science by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    Some of medicine is pretty good, but a lot is based on judgement and seat of the pants decisions - more like an engineering discipline.

  33. Better data detection? by sandytaru · · Score: 1

    It's also possible that it's not that the amount of fraud has increased, its that we've gotten a lot better at catching it.

    --
    Occasionally living proof of the Ballmer peak.
    1. Re:Better data detection? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      It's more likely that the changing attitudes of society are at play here. Note the spikes in 2002--a year after Sep 11th and the response to it, and then again in 2006, during the final splurge of the financial boom.

      As they witnessed the ethics and morals of society erode about them, I imagine quite a few scientists just said "screw ethics" and went for their own slice of the rotten pie.

      As such, I would expect to see an explosion of scientific fraud in 2011/12.

      --
      May the Maths Be with you!
  34. internet "no IP" generation becoming scientists by peter303 · · Score: 2

    I've always wondered if 50% or more cheat on tests and papers in college, how does that fall to zero by PhD? Well I guess it does not.

    1. Re:internet "no IP" generation becoming scientists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you're doing research on something no one else has done before, it makes it harder to find someone to copy from.

  35. Asymptotic rate by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

    So I made projections of when the number of retractions would equal the number of articles, but I found an error in my data set.

    I had to retract it.

  36. And of course denialists use globalwarming tag by Ranger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    on this story. Asshats. Seriously? How many of those retracted papers dealt with the studies relating to climate change?

    --
    "You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
    1. Re:And of course denialists use globalwarming tag by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And some other asshat has to drag out the term "denialist".

      There's no other shoe that fits. If you want to propose a different word, feel free to do so -- but you can't have "skeptic," because that means something different, sorry.

      --
      The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
  37. information about information and leverage by slew · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It might be interesting to think about the ways that increases in scientific fraud parallels the recent financial industry meltdown that resulted from the mortgage industry mess.

    In the mortgage industry back in the old-old days, when you wanted to borrow money, you took your information (w2, bank account statements, etc,) down to the local bank which analyzed your finances and issued you a loan based on thier "gut" feeling on your credit worthiness. This was found to be a very non-scaleable, often discriminatory system, however the risk was localized therefore immediate feedback was available (banks that issued too many bad loans failed).

    Then the industry evolved. Credit reporting agencies and credit scores were created to reduce discrimination, and automate decision processes and help quantify risk, and packaging was created to securitize loans which effectively aggregated and anonymized both borrowers and banks and attempted to present an abstract risk profile to folks investing in debt. The risk/return profile of this investment created a high demand for more securitized loans, creating a scarcity. What happens when demand exceeds supply? Either the price goes up (the yield of the debt investment goes down when the price goes up), or some risk takers will attempt to increase the supply by substituting marginal quality goods (loans that aren't well vetted). Then when others see their success with marginal quality goods, even the regular suppliers take the plunge and drop their quality to maintain their market share. Large coalitions enter the field and start to game the system. The lack of information available to the investors due to anonymization and aggregation amd increased leverage (firms started using derivatives and CDOs to invest in mortages) set us up for the financial industry fall. Then the cards all fell down.

    Historically, scientific publishing when you wanted to get your paper published, you sent a pre-print to a journal and they attemped to referee the paper based on the "gut" feeling of their reviewers. This was fairly unscalable and often discriminatory system, but the risk of a poor quality paper was localized to the journal (basically journals that published too many bad papers would lose credibility).

    We are in the midst of an evolution in scientific publishing. Now there are many mroe researchers and many more journals. Many journals don't have the staff to do a good job a vetting the papers, and the specialization, cost and expense of many research fields make peer-review "santity" checking across different research groups difficult. Ironically, as we have more information about science, we have less information about the quality of that information. Since published results attract scarce research dollars, the cost of doing good research that results in published papers go up (reducing the ROI on research dollars), or some risk takers will attempt to attract scarce research dollars with sub-quality work... and so on...

    Let's hope that large coalitions don't enter to game the system, nor research grants are anonymized from author and institution as researchers move around and institutions do joint projects, nor that large research projects leverage questionable earlier research w/o information or verification or we may be building a similar house of cards with scientific research literature. Isn't scientific literature supposed to all be about leverage (standing on the shoulders of giants)? Aren't certain publication too-big-to-fail? Aren't large research coalitions monopolizing areas of grant money in certain fields and effectively owning the available peer-review resources? Maybe we've already set the table and just don't know it yet.

    Some food for thought...

  38. Fortunately... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AGW research hasn't been impacted.

  39. Re:This Week's Conservative Nonsense on Slashdot, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll answer that for him!
    A conservative is a middle-aged white male strawman who hates Science, thinks the Earth is 6,000 years old, believes in every major religion, murders at least 5 black people a day, gets to vote 100 times in each election, is richer than Scrooge McDuck, has an IQ equal to their geographical latitude, and is secretly gay. This demographic composes 50% of the population of America.

  40. Want a fix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More state funding. If you want your research to be taken seriously, use accredited universities and established, or at least untarnished private firms. And fund properly. If your quote is 2 million, sign a contract for 2, with a legitimate over-flow of 3 million. Maybe 50% is too high, but projects do run over budget and sloppy work gets done when cutting corners. Independent verification of costs should be a major consideration. No milking from the researchers end will be tolerated, or get scored bad. No underfunding by the grantor's end, or be blacklisted from major research firms. just like peer review, the financing should be brutally scrutinized and harsh punishment doled out. If you want to fund a project, expect to pay properly. If you want to get research money, expect to have your work analyzed and get kicked the f out if you dont pull your weight. Publishing papers look good until they are shown to be worthless.

  41. Re:This Week's Conservative Nonsense on Slashdot, by John+Hasler · · Score: 0

    > Do you even know what "conservative" means?

    Of course he does. It means anyone who doesn't share each and every one of his standard-issue "liberal" opinions. In other words, it means exactly the same as "liberal" does to a "conservative".

    --
    Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
  42. how does that work? by pigwiggle · · Score: 1

    I don't see how that works. When I publish some work, it's a collection of things I've done. Now maybe I discuss other peoples work in that context, and maybe draw some bad conclusions because of that, but that doesn't merit a retraction. Not at all. That is what eratta are for. Now, if a separate study is based predominantly on another's fraudulent work, wouldn't the researchers necessarily discover the original work was fraudulent as a mater of course? I just don't see how one fraudulent work would result in any other retractions - let alone one hundred. Maybe your field or the way you publish is different than mine. Clue me in.

    --
    46 & 2
  43. Not surprised by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    China is loaded with it due to lack of morals. And as we see more and more chinese occupying American universities, we will see more and more positions based on cheating. Kind of funny that China is destroying American academia by basing theirs on fraud and lies. And yet, we continue to allow it to happen. So sad.

    --
    I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
    1. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not just China - it's China, Japan and Korea - and in that order. Together, the three of them are a significant fraction of the academic populace.

    2. Re:Not surprised by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Yes, fraud is epidemic through Asia. But American universities are not hiring disproportionate numbers of Japanese or South Koreans.
      OTOH, we are hiring loads of Chinese to work in our R&D and regularly it is based on their fraudulent research done back in China.

      --
      I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
    3. Re:Not surprised by udippel · · Score: 1

      I for one wonder, how this thread has gone through - at least until here and know - without anyone demanding political correctness. Or a livid counter-statement by our Asian friends in academia.
      I could not believe that this is read by Caucasians only. Should I surmise agreement?

  44. It's very old news by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    If you think that "new money" coming in to fund those research is the culprit, think again

    Back 2 or 3 decades ago a lot of so-called "studies" or "research findings" had already come into questions regarding their validity

    For example:

    A "study" financed by "Dairy Farmer Association" would definitely come up with the result that "Milk is good for you"

    A "research paper" backed by "Pork Industry" would show you how pork is "another white meat" ... and so on ... and so forth

    --
    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
    1. Re:It's very old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To me this seems to be a different, although not completely unrelated issue. The original submission was about fraud in refereed (supposedly unbiased) scientific publications, the primary motivation being to gain unfair access to research funds (by inflating the number of accepted publications by the author). The problem here is not that the contents are biased, but that they are fake.

      The kinds of "studies" or "research papers" you mention are heavily biased opinions (if not outright lies) that are just titled "studies" or "research papers", with the intent to make the impression of them being unbiased "scientific facts" whereas I highly doubt any of those ever were (or were meant to be) published in refereed scientific journals etc. This relies on the general public not being able to differentiate between peer-reviewed scientific studies that are likely to be unbiased and studies by non-scientific organizations that should always be treated as heavily biased. (In this case, although the intent is to make the impression of being unbiased, nobody ever actually claims or verifies the study to be unbiased, thus they never need to get retracted either.)

  45. Re:This Week's Conservative Nonsense on Slashdot, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever he hates. Just like how "liberal" is whatever a republican hates.

  46. Re:asshats vs stupes and crooks by zz5555 · · Score: 2

    When someone says something like "e.g replace global warming with, say, climate change", I can never tell if they're making a lame attempt at humor or are just tremendously ignorant. Global warming and climate change came into use at about the same time (http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html) and they're respective meanings have never changed: global warming remains a subset of climate change. Given how widely this is known, you must remain willfully ignorant to not be aware of that. I always take comments like yours to mean "I don't care about the damn facts, they must be wrong". But I'm sure yours was just a lame attempt at humor, right? ;)

  47. This study is clearly a fraud. by gtirloni · · Score: 2

    Nuff said.

    --
    none
  48. Re:Time to pulish real science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not being able to repeat an experiment because 'Its already been done' is the mantra of most psychology departments I've heard of.

  49. Re:This Week's Conservative Nonsense on Slashdot, by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Informative

    I can say that you're wrong. Do you even know what "conservative" means?

    In this country the conservatives are often looking for excuses to further decimate the already very lean scientific research budget. This article provides another one of those excuses.

    --
    Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
  50. Hm by argStyopa · · Score: 0

    One might almost call that An Inconvenient Truth.

    --
    -Styopa
  51. Not always fraud.... by whydavid · · Score: 1

    There are a lot of comments indicating that retractions and poor research must always be the result of fraud. Another explanation is just flat-out bad science performed by scientists who are not being held to rigorous standards. I had the privilege of learning how to critically review scientific literature from a well-regarded epidemiologist with no tolerance for bullshit and decades of experience on a variety of review boards critiquing medical literature. I learned that if you look closely, you'll find at least one suspicious element in probably 90% of the papers you read. In many cases (perhaps most), these suspicious elements are just missing things that should have been present (such as how randomization was done in a trial, or what method was used to blind participants) but were probably done adequately anyways (just poor authorship, but a decent study). In other cases, missing elements are missing because required steps weren't done or there is an effort to hide negative results (fraud). One of the tell-tale signs that you are reading a crappy paper is when any statistical tests are only briefly discussed and only p-values are reported (or, even worse, they just tell you whether or not the statistics supported their hypothesis). If I were developing a product or doing research that depended on other scientific research, I would read it very carefully before applying it. Any scientific journal worth reading will require contact information for a corresponding author, whom you can contact with any questions. If that author won't answer questions or provide their dataset for verification (whenever applicable and legal to do so), you should throw the study away and write the journal about the flaws in the study and the author's failure to appropriately respond. There ARE mechanisms in place for weeding this crap out, but part of the problem with the scientific literature right now is the lack of critical ability in the general readership. A lack of funding for - and unwillingness to publish - research that merely confirms or conflicts with existing research is another issue. I would say both of these issues, and the fact that most types of studies don't have accepted standards which define a high-quality study (randomized trials in medicine and the CONSORT statement are a notable exception) are larger than the issue of blatant fraud, since academic fraud is one of the reasons many universities can use to revoke tenure (the ultimate goal of most academics).

  52. Re:of course by grcumb · · Score: 1

    You might as well say "I've been saying this for years about Ron Jeremy".

    I'll have you know that Ron Jeremy has done breakthrough work in the field of Combinatorics.

    Specifically, a paper published in the Journal of the American Mathematical Society titled An Application of the Pigeon Hole Principle in Double-Penetration Scenes.

    Not to mention his breakthrough work, Organic Approaches to the Traveling Salesman Scenario in Odd-Numbered Orgy Scenes.

    --
    Crumb's Corollary: Never bring a knife to a bun fight.
  53. Re:Why should science be any different by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 2

    It should be different.

    Science/Math/Engineering are supposed to be the areas that relatively pure knowledge reign. I know, Academic backbiting and all, but 30 years ago (maybe?) Science was all about "Geeks, eew, who wants to talk to them?" but if they wheeled off "Calculations" they weren't far off. Your classic fun example was Doc Brown from Back to the Future. You called the Theory Total Bonkers, but you wrote that off as Mad-Science-Crazy, NOT Cheating.

    I feel the difference today - blatantly biased reports, ludicrous sample sizes, all kinds of Semi Science (maybe good ideas in there) being smashed out for 1 day blog article news.

    --
    My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
  54. But that study is honest ;-) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like a sensationalistic study and article as much as the next guy. It makes me tingle and wakes up my flight or fight response.
    But I am wondering how to interpret such findings.

    Is the classification of retractions based on when the retraction came or when the paper was published? Such a dramatic rise in such a short time is really amazing. Also, how do the numbers compare relative to the number of publications? How are the numbers distributed by source (academia or industry)?

    Is this high number of retractions a good thing or a bad thing? Are we getting better at identifying bad papers and papers getting more honest at retracting them, or are the retractions the tip of an even faster growing iceberg of fraud?

    How will this affect academic research (tenure, grants, status)? How should students be evaluated (as opposed to "publish or perish")? Should researchers be more cautious when they take a dependency on a prior result, as the volume and quality of publications is shifting?

  55. Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  56. Re:asshats vs stupes and crooks by Ranger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No attempt at humor. I'm not going to be offended by you calling me willfully ignorant, because I didn't give you enough information. I've just noticed there seems to be an editorial bias on slashdot towards stories that deny anthropogenic global warming. I'd seen the science paper retraction story on another site. It is indeed disturbing, but it does show that the process of science still works. If those bad papers weren't being retracted then we'd be in a much worse situation. As soon as I saw the globalwarming tag, I knew the asshats who put them there were still trying to cast doubt on that humans were changing the climate. I'm not seeing anything in the article about retractions of papers on global warming, or rather about the study of ice cores, of tree rings, of sediment cores, of analysis of weather records over time--all the disciplines that are studied to form a picture of our climate and to predict what is happening.

    The rise in retractions seems to have almost become exponential over the past 6 years. That we knew and had predicted humans were causing climate change by increasing the warming of the climate was pretty well understood by the late 1980's. In fact many of the predictions have been born out since then. We aren't seeing retractions of papers from the 1980's, but the late 2000's.

    Anyway, here is an excellent resource called The Discovery of Global Warming (See the timeline: http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm). It's also a book. I hope that clarifies where I stand on the issue and why I called them asshats. Because only an asshat would try to make a connection. And I'm still waiting for that list of retracted papers about global warming.

    --
    "You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
  57. Connect the dots. by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    Which scientific theory has been in the media for over a decade... and has been the subject of dozens of high level and consistent retractions?

    And yet retains unwavering support despite no disclosure of methodology, no disclosure of raw data, and no ability to predict future or even past conditions using the model...

    It's a problem. This happens when the science isn't put first. When anything else involves itself... be it money or power or sex or ideology or religion it all goes to hell. The science has to come first. Scientists have to be detached and disinterested in what results they get so long as they're accurate.

    Personally, I think the biggest thing they could do is make data collection a more prestigious position within the scientific community. Currently, it seems like all the status goes to the people that theorize on the data. But without the data there can be no theory. And without really accurate data even a good theorist will come to wrong conclusions.

    Possibly divide up the scientific community much as a hospital is divided. Diagnosticians are divided from surgeons. Some of them are really good at working things out and some are really good at literally fixing people. By the same token, accurate data collection is not easy. It often requires a lot of leg work or exposure to uncomfortable conditions. Maybe you're playing with really nasty chemicals. Maybe you're crawling around in deep caves. Whatever. Make data collection an end unto itself. Possibly even subdivide the scientists further by tasking a third branch with sorting, storing, and providing the information for the theorists. In this way, the data should be collected without any bias as to what it should prove. People will just be collecting it to collect it rather then collecting it specifically to prove their pet theory. And then the librarians will offer that data to all the theorists on request. It will be very hard for scientists to bias results given that the raw data is freely available.

    This would sort of be like a blind survey. If theorists want a given type of data, they put in an official request for someone to collect it... Scientists elsewhere collect that data and upload it to the librarians. The librarians then make it available to all the theorists. This separation between A B and C would make fraud more difficult.

    Access to the librarians data might be conditional on your university providing data to the librarians. So, if someone at your university collects data on the mating habits of butterflies you would be download data on the concentrations of dark matter in the milkyway. Some sort of quid pro quo systems that makes data collection a requirement so you don't get a whole university of theorists that never collect any data and just analyze other people's data.

    Maybe I'm full of crap... I think that would helpl

    --
    I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
  58. It was pretty bad in Psych by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

    When I was doing my psych undergrad degree I saw many just amazingly shitty studies that were presented not as examples as what not to do, but as perfectly normal studies. Never did I see a study where the conclusion didn't support the hypothesis. It was never a case of "Our data was inconclusive, we can neither falsify nor support the hypothesis," (which you'd expect to see a lot with something as complex and varied as the mind) or "This data clearly falsifies our hypothesis, revision is required." Nope, always it was "Look! We proved we were right! Yay us!"

    Two that I remember the most:

    One was a study that "proved" (author's words) that violent video games caused violence. For this the author had one group of people play Unreal Tournament and another group play Myst. They then measured things like heart rate, "aggressive behaviour" and so on. Well in addition to the games being rather out of date at the time the problem I saw was that they were totally different. I mean shit they are lucky the people playing Myst had a pulse at all afterwards. It is a slow, slow game.

    I e-mailed them suggesting that they had at least one confounding variable, the intensity of the game, and that they should redo the study with that controlled. I said go ahead and still use the UT platform, but upgrade to UT2004 since it was newer, however have one group play the regular version with rockets n' lazars n' shit and another group play the freeze tag mod. That is still an intense, competitive, game but there's no violence. You just have a freeze ray that freezes opponents, or thaws friends.

    No response. They weren't interested in doing anything that could show they were wrong.

    The other was a study on our campus about Internet addiction. Most study "volunteers" for psych studies are undergrads that have to do it for course credit. So I decided to do that one. As soon as I started filling out the survey, there was trouble. It started off with things like "How long do you spend logged in to the Internet each day?" and "How long do you stay logged in on average each time?" Well this was mid 2000s. Like many people, particularly geeks, I had what we almost all have now: Always on Internet. I had DSL at home, and worked on campus. My computers were ALWAYS on the Internet. It was just a seamless part of my experience. I didn't log in and out, I just used it along with other shit.

    So I tried to tell the researcher that. She just couldn't understand the concept. She kept trying to say "Well ya ok but still, how much do you log in to it for?" and I kept trying to explain that there was no logging in, it was just there. Tried to use her computer, which was on the campus network, as an example. The problem was in her view running IE -was- logging in because it took like 30 seconds to launch on account of the system being so old and slow. She only did one thing at a time with the computer, and the Internet was a separate thing. She could not understand that many people, an increasing number every day, didn't work like that and the question wasn't valid.

    She pressed on with the study, unchanged, anyhow (without my data, I left).

    There was just this culture of "Come up with a theory, do a study, do whatever it takes to bash the data in to 'supporting' your theory, publish a paper that shows it as a success."

  59. Reproduction of results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But many results are *not* reproducible with a reasonable effort. Who is to double-check the results of the LHC, where decades have been spent on detectors alone?

    My theoretical PhD work in condensed matter science took roughly twenty years of (single-) CPU hours. To *independently* reproduce my results you would have to
    -find a code that uses the same or similar approximations as my code does (easy)
    -Modify that code so that it has the same capabilities (theoretically easy - not that easy in reality, most codes are spaghetti Fortran code that has evolved for 20 years)
    -Do the same calculations (hope no one else wants to use the compute cluster)
    -Rewrite or at least double-check my analysis program(s) (5k lines of rather complicated Fortran code - at least it is somewhat readable (I think, after working with it for four years))

    Of course, I could just hand in my code and my data - and then the reviewer would see that the black box reproduces the numbers printed in my thesis and publications. However, it would be really, really easy to obfuscate my code and insert a little ...guarantee that this happens.

    Long story short, the only bulwark against fraud is the personal integrity of the scientist.

  60. getting a bit repetitive by cas2000 · · Score: 2

    this is the 2nd or 3rd similar article i've seen in recent months.

    it's starting to smell a lot like a publicity campaign to discredit science in general. ...wonder if these studies are being funded by oil companies or their shills, or neo-liberal think tanks with a vested interest in discrediting science in general and climate science in particular.

  61. Re:This Week's Conservative Nonsense on Slashdot, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Illinois Nazis. I hate those guys.

  62. You don' say? by syngularyx · · Score: 1

    http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/210/119/+_2acc5a8841f8752904d37f90a8014829.png I think this is related to the biggest problem in science, i.e, the HUGE NUMBER of persons working in this field and consequently, the total number of publications.

  63. Naïve suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is plenty of well meaning, but naïve suggestions that assume we have a perfect world here. Collecting all scientific articles is a perfect-world solution that is very difficult to actually achieve. Furthermore, most of the actual fraud is driven by impact factor. An expected result that breaks little or no scientific ground will have little impact. A surprising result, or one that can drive a huge amount of future research, will have a very large impact factor. Many scientists will do anything for that, including fraud. One solution to this is to make impact factor just one of many means of evaluating scientists. It would be best for the scientific community to finally recognize that not all worthwhile research would be cited numerous times over just the single following year.

  64. A good reason to distrust science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And they wonder why conservatives say they distrust science more than they used to. When you see stories like this, it makes conservatives seem a lot smarter and more informed than the people who belief everything any scientist says... And the people who mock conservatives for having a very valid distrust of a lot of modern science.

  65. What do you expect/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do you expect when student cheating at universities is not only prevalent but accepted as the norm?

    If they cheat in school they will cheat at work.

  66. The macroparasite again by Sqreater · · Score: 1

    This is just the macroparasitic elites of wealth and power identifying and converting still another asset source. The infection continues worldwide. Who do these corrupt researchers work for? There is the real problem.

    --
    E Proelio Veritas.
  67. How can we trust this study? by Zaphod-AVA · · Score: 1

    Clearly this study will get a lot more interest if they come up with the incendiary result that scientific studies are increasingly fraudulent. With such obvious self-interest how can we possibly trust this study?

  68. Studies Suggest Increase In Scientific Fraud by Anonymousslashdot · · Score: 1

    These studies are fraud !!!

  69. Fraud vs Cheating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Calling this cheating is kind of complimentary - it suggests the same result is ultimately reached, fraud is much more fitting because it reaches a false result.

  70. Anybody that's surprised by this by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

    Has not been paying attention over the last twenty years.

    Also, these are just the papers that have been retracted by the journals because the errors have been so grievous and obvious.

    Now, what about all the papers that have been intentionally written to be just wrong enough to pass ?

    Put it all together, and you have more than a cancelling-out of the increase in published papers. What we have is journals publishing what amounts to as being mostly noise.

  71. The Big Crunch From Ending Exponential Growth by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    From 1994: http://www.its.caltech.edu/~dg/crunch_art.html
    "The public and the scientific community have both been shocked in recent years by an increasing number of cases of fraud committed by scientists. There is little doubt that the perpetrators in these cases felt themselves under intense pressure to compete for scarce resources, even by cheating if necessary. As the pressure increases, this kind of dishonesty is almost sure to become more common.
        Other kinds of dishonesty will also become more common. For example, peer review, one of the crucial pillars of the whole edifice, is in critical danger. Peer review is used by scientific journals to decide what papers to publish, and by granting agencies such as the National Science Foundation to decide what research to support. Journals in most cases, and agencies in some cases operate by sending manuscripts or research proposals to referees who are recognized experts on the scientific issues in question, and whose identity will not be revealed to the authors of the papers or proposals. Obviously, good decisions on what research should be supported and what results should be published are crucial to the proper functioning of science.
        Peer review is usually quite a good way to identify valid science. Of course, a referee will occasionally fail to appreciate a truly visionary or revolutionary idea, but by and large, peer review works pretty well so long as scientific validity is the only issue at stake. However, it is not at all suited to arbitrate an intense competition for research funds or for editorial space in prestigious journals. There are many reasons for this, not the least being the fact that the referees have an obvious conflict of interest, since they are themselves competitors for the same resources. This point seems to be another one of those relativistic anomalies, obvious to any outside observer, but invisible to those of us who are falling into the black hole. It would take impossibly high ethical standards for referees to avoid taking advantage of their privileged anonymity to advance their own interests, but as time goes on, more and more referees have their ethical standards eroded as a consequence of having themselves been victimized by unfair reviews when they were authors. Peer review is thus one among many examples of practices that were well suited to the time of exponential expansion, but will become increasingly dysfunctional in the difficult future we face. (from David Goostein, Vice Provost, Caltech, who testified to Congress back then about this)"

    One solution would be a graduate-student level stipend of a "basic income" for *everyone* in the country, so those who were inclined to research could do that, or those who wanted to write free software could do that, or those who wanted to volunteer with local Emergency Medical Services could do that, and others could raise children, and so on. A gift economy could accomplish that too, as could advanced 3D printing, or also better government planning to create free or cheap life-support services related to housing and food. We'll probably see a mix of all that going forward, and there already are aspects of all of those already.

    We also need to move beyond this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disciplined_Minds
    "Disciplined Minds is a book by physicist Jeff Schmidt,[1] published in 2000. The book describes how professionals are made; the methods of professional and graduate schools that turn eager entering students into disciplined managerial and intellectual workers that correctly perceive and apply the employer's doctrine and outlook. Schmidt uses the examples of law, medicine, and physics, and describes methods that students and professional workers can use to preserve their personalities and independent thought."

    --
    A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
  72. wrong-headed approach by khipu · · Score: 1

    Science should NOT be corporate-funded, it should be grant-funded -- directly from a scientific organization like NIST, or indirectly via university (or other educational) departments.

    That doesn't help. Sometimes corporate funding biases research, at other times, corporations have better quality control than fellow researchers. Many "peers" in peer reviews of grants and publications have their own axes to grind; they want research that supports their results and interests to be funded, and they will punish research and researchers whose work contradicts theirs.

    A paper should NOT be considered as having been refereed until the work has been reproduced.

    And who is going to waste their time reproducing other people's results? You still won't get tenure for that, or the recognition of your peers. For a lot of research, reproduction also doesn't make sense. How are you going to "reproduce" the hockey stick or climate models? Either you believe their assumptions or not, but you won't get any more results or data.

    Next, there need to be central scientific libraries that collect ALL journals (regardless of obscurity), ALL reviewed lab notes, etc, making that information available to absolutely anyone,

    Access to publications just isn't a problem these days. The problem is that many people don't even bother to read the literature, or often aren't even capable of understanding anything outside a really narrow area.

    What to do with negative results, though? Journals hate publishing those. So, have the central funding agencies ALSO fund an "open journal" that ONLY publishes negative results.

    It's not clear that that's needed or helpful. A lot of "negative results" are negative because the experimenter screwed up. And results that contradict existing results already have an easy time getting published.

    Journals can't complain that it's competing, since there's no overlap.

    That, on the other hand, doesn't matter. Nobody cares whether journals complain or not.

    Ok, but even with all of that, nobody has time to read every paper and certainly nobody has time to go back and correlate current science with past papers even if all this information was available. Doesn't matter. If there's a central store of everything, and that everything is properly linked up, the reasoners that have already been written for Semantic Web logic will work on those links to determine if the data is internally consistent. That information can be passed back to the funding agencies to determine what experiments are needed (if any) to identify what results are good, what ones are fraud and what ones are merely incompetent.

    Funding agencies, like scientists, face enormously complex tasks and have few people really qualified to deal with it.

    Your proposals are based on the false assumption that people are doing their job badly and that if you only do something different, peer reviews, funding agencies, etc. will behave better. But that's wrong. Funding agencies, peer reviews, and science is done by the smartest people you can find for the job, and they work hard and generally with the best of intentions. They just can't do any better.

    If you want to change the system, there's a much simpler solution: stop putting so much pressure on scientists. We can never eliminate the pressure to publish and get citations (since it is its own reward), but we can at least remove unnecessary pressure, such as the more-is-better mentality for publications and citations. Maybe we should have a kind of "quote system" where scientists are rewarded for the single best publication each year, not for their total number.

    1. Re:wrong-headed approach by jd · · Score: 1

      Your proposals are based on the false assumption that people are doing their job badly

      No, I am not. My proposals are based on the provable fact that there is a high level of fraud in research AND on the provable fact that it is impossible to distinguish good research from bad. Your suggestions have no quality control, add no mechanisms for examining if an experiment has indeed been reproduced, and historically have tended to produce people who do nothing at all. My suggestions may not be perfect, but at least I bother to understand what has been tried and why it failed.

      And that's a key difference you'll see between my posts and those of my critics -- I acknowledge that my ideas are a starting point, you and the others argue that it's worthless to start at all.

      --
      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    2. Re:wrong-headed approach by khipu · · Score: 1

      No, I am not. My proposals are based on the provable fact that there is a high level of fraud in research AND on the provable fact that it is impossible to distinguish good research from bad.

      So, you admit that it is impossible to distinguish good research from bad. And then you turn right around and propose that people do exactly that: via reproducing experiments, more government grant comittees, etc.

      And that's a key difference you'll see between my posts and those of my critics -- I acknowledge that my ideas are a starting point, you and the others argue that it's worthless to start at all.

      Your ideas aren't a "starting point", they are a dead end. The solution to a shortage of qualified reviewers, a shortage of qualified experimentalists willing to reproduce experiments, and grants that are awarded based on politics and personal connections is not to create an even greater workload of meaningless experimental reproductions and meaningless grant reviews. You have completely bought into the mindset that science is the output from a business process and you get better and more output through rewards and tinkering with the process, and it's that bogus mindset that has created the problem in the first place. Science is not an industrial process, and it doesn't improve through rewards or pressures.

      The solution to scientific fraud is much simpler: reduce the financial rewards for scientific fraud by reducing the pressure to publish and reducing the funding of megaprojects. Good science needs time and reflection, and the only way of achieving that is to not reward scientists for additional publications or results beyond some minimum standards.

      And the way to reduce the motivation to engage in politicking and fraud for megaprojects is to let people decide for themselves whether to participate in it. So, instead of giving a billion dollars over 10 years to 500 scientists for some big project, give each scientist two million dollars over ten years and let them decide whether to put it into the megaproject or not. If the project is worthwhile, they will do it, if not, they'll do something better with the money.

  73. Registered studies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One bit of sunlight on this dismal state of 'science' would be a mandate to register any studies funded by outside organizations or governments before they are done, such that their results are available even if not published or negative.

  74. Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I once heard from a faculty member at a very prestigious university in the United States that in current research world, it is networking and power that count. If you are honest, you will be kicked out directly. Only those who are dishonest and fake results will prevail.

  75. news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or is it that there's just more communication and more people rehashing other people's work? After all, since forever, maybe 90% or some such of all scientific papers are never cited. Probably nobody knows how many of the minor deadend papers ever published are at very least irreproducible.

  76. Soultion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remove cut and paste from the internet. Make the cheats at least copy in long hand. That way, at least they know about what they write and publish.

    OK

  77. Main field of misconduct: Biology... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just read the wikipedia page on retraction. Practically everything is from the field of Biology (genetics, medicine, drug studies...) (Except the Schön scandal.)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retraction
    What does it mean? Why is this?
    - On this field results are more often reproduced by others?
    - Drugs usually do nothing, so there is a greater need for false results?
    - Is it more lucrative due to the deep pockets of the drug industry? ...?

  78. Re:To All My Detractors, In So Many Threads... by flyneye · · Score: 1

    Mod parent up if you believe in well deserved justice.

    --
    *Repent!Quit Your Job!Slack Off!The World Ends Tomorrow and You May Die!
  79. NOT ALL RETRATCTIONS ARE FRAUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A group I now published a highly referenced article...turns out they discovered their conclusions were incorrect and they pushed a paper correcting their error (i.e. retracting there previous work) out a year or so later. But the effect still lingers as the original paper gets ref. occasionally as it is "in the wild".