US Judge Say Kim Dotcom May Never Be Tried or Extradited

vik writes "As Megaupload's Kim Dotcom's megafarce trial continues, the New Zealand Herald reports that his alleged offense not only falls below the threshold for extradition, but also that the warrant may not be properly served. 'My understanding as to why they haven't done that is because they can't. We don't believe Megaupload can be served in a criminal matter because it is not located within the jurisdiction of the United States,' says Megaupload's lawyer Ira Rothken. Not surprisingly, Kim Dotcom has a few choice words to say about having his business trashed this way, with 220 jobs lost, and millions left without access to their legitimate data."

Comments

Trial and extradition were never the goal

[Anonymous Coward]

He was put out of business and lost tens of millions of dollars from the raid. His punishment has already been served, without trial, and without due process.

Re:Trial and extradition were never the goal

[BenJCarter]

Remember who was in charge when this happened and vote accordingly next election.

Re:Trial and extradition were never the goal

[Anonymous Coward]

Global capital? How do we vote them out of office?

Re:Trial and extradition were never the goal

[Anonymous Coward]

Completely cut off the flow of money to the entertainment industry and encourage others to do the same.

Whether you pirate or abstain is irrelevant. What matters is that the flow of money stops.

The behemoth entertainment industry was not created out of thin air by Blofeld. It grew from the ground up when clueless consumers chose to buy its products, unaware or unconcerned with what their purchases were fueling.

The entertainment industry did not fall from the sky. The public created it, nurtured it, and fed it. It is what it is because people are willing to fork over huge sums of money for an intangible product of questionable quality with a near zero marginal cost of production.

These days, telling someone to give up their MAFIAA-backed entertainment is like trying to get a smoker to quit. People are hooked and falsely believe that mass produced entertainment is a necessity. In the brain of the average consumer, not buying a DVD and taking a hike in the park instead does not even register as an option.

Re:Trial and extradition were never the goal

[shiftless]

Vote RON PAUL, that's how.

Re:Trial and extradition were never the goal

[symbolset]

Remember that if you buy both sides it doesn't matter who wins.

Re:Trial and extradition were never the goal

[spauldo]

I'm not the AC, but I'll respond anyway.

The AC never said anything hate-filled. He never said anything bigoted. He never said anything that bore the marks for ignorance, intolerance, or hatred. You said all that.

You're the one that seems to think antisemitism is the norm in the U.S. You're the one thinking jews are blamed for all the ills of the nation (silly me, I thought it was the Democrats, or the Republicans, or the financial industry, or etc. etc. etc.). You're the one who thinks we're only one step away from setting up concentration camps.

In other words, you're the one who's acting like a Zionist troll.

You seem to equate disliking Israel's policies with being a hate-filled bigoted troll. Well, I'm not hate-filled, bigoted, nor a troll, and I don't care for Israel's policies. Sure, they got the whole democracy thing down, which is good, and they have a decent record for civil rights as far as those they consider citizens (i.e. not palestinians), but hey - so does the U.S., and I don't like a lot of our policies either.

What we're sick of is the neverending "peace process" which is basically just Israel spinning its wheels and doing nothing about the status quo. You might like the status quo, but palestinians do not. You blame arab nations for not allowing palestinian refugees into their countries, but you hold blameless the country responsible for making them refugees in the first place. Israel can't even keep basic promises, like not building settlements in the West Bank. Israel shows no interest in the welfare of the palestinians.

That's what he meant by apartheid. If you can't see parallels there, you're blind.

Now, you're just going to say I'm just another troll (I'm not), and that I'm an antisemite (I'm not), and that I want a war against Israel (I don't), because you've got a chip on your shoulder the size of Syria. That's fine, I don't care. I'd like to think, though, that maybe, just maybe, you'd engage your brain and realize that just because some people don't suck off the "chosen of God" doesn't mean we want to slaughter them wholesale.

Shit Like This...

[darthdavid]

makes me embarrassed to be an American. I'll be voting Socialist come November and encouraging everyone I know to vote third party, not that it will make a difference. The unwashed masses will continue voting keep voting for Ds and Rs because "anything else is a wasted vote...", and the Ds and Rs will keep sucking corporate cock at every opportunity because they know where their bread is buttered.

Re:Shit Like This...

[anwaya]

This would have never gone down with a liberatarian administration.

You may be right: for example, the extremely wealthy backers of the MPAA and RIAA would simply pay top dollar to a platoon of mercenaries, who would level the data centers and murder everyone that provided the services. If there were still a DoJ and Court system, they would already have bought off all the prosecutors and judges. Case closed.
Or do you think this wouldn't happen under a Libertarian administration either? If so, what do you understand to be the Libertarian proposal for a system of justice?

"completely" not necessay -corporatism's weak spot

[Anonymous Coward]

completely cut off the flow of money to the entertainment industry

There's no need to cut off the flow completely - just reduce it sufficiently.

Doing that is simple. Here's the plan: It's not as tough as you believe.

Re:For crying out loud

[Cederic]

It may or may not. I don't know, and I can't tell because it hasn't gone to trial.

What has happened is that someone's had their business disrupted, and their customers have had their personal data stolen from them, all without due process of the law.

There has been a crime here, and even copyright infringers deserve a fair trial. Those trying to deny it to them need prosecuting.

Re:millions?

[X.25]

I really doubt that millions of people were more than slightly inconvenienced. Smart people didn't put their only copy of any data they thought was important there. A service like that is for backups and exchange with other users. Unless either you were stupid or list your original due to a crash, you can just re-upload to another service.

You are really silly.

I had my whole photo album there (12GB or so of photos), uploaded over a very long period of time. Of course, it was not the only copy, but it was the copy which family/friends could always see.

It did not require me to give any 'identifiable' details when creating an account, it doesn't really know who I am, I haven't been getting spam to email address which I've used for registration, it was extremely fast for everyone, it was much faster than other services I've tried, blah, blah, blah. I still have backups of my photos, but do you realize how long I'll have to upload them, on 512Kbit uplink, to another service? That won't happen.

Can't you just accept that they were providing a good service? I'd rather pay them for premium account, than have it for free and have my data being sold to everyone who asks for it.

There is not such thing as a free lunch.

If you still don't understand what I am talking about, maybe this will help:

http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/demotivational-posters-facebook-you.jpg

Re:Seems Poetic

[misexistentialist]

And Steve Jobs used to build telephone hacking equipment. The government should seize apple and give everyone free iPads!