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Mad Cow Disease Confirmed In California

New submitter wave9x writes "The United States Department of Agriculture confirmed today that the nation's fourth case of bovine spongiform encephalopathy, sometimes referred to as 'mad cow disease' was found in a dairy cow in California. The animal has been euthanized and the carcass is being being held under State authority at a rendering facility in California and will be destroyed."

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  1. All your BSE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    are belong to us!

  2. American Culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is completely telling that news of this appeared in the Business Section (currently the second hit on Google News) before it appeared at all in the Health Section.

    1. Re:American Culture by poity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe because the irrational fear that surrounds something with a transmission rate of 1 out of millions can affect the market far more so than actual health of the population at large. If this tells us anything at all (which I doubt) it would be something about the emotional factor in futures trading.

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    2. Re:American Culture by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As markets shut their doors to US beef, the disease is far more likely to affect your 401k than your brain.

    3. Re:American Culture by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Informative

      That and we're more likely to see the effects of trouble in the beef industry than we are to actually get Mad Cow. But, hey, it's fashionable to take pot-shots at America right now.

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    4. Re:American Culture by dr_dank · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's definitely telling... telling that you didn't see the disclaimer on the bottom of the Google News page:

      The selection and placement of stories on this page were determined automatically by a computer program.

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    5. Re:American Culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You twits who keep sneering at people with "irrational fear" seem to think nothing should be done about an incident that could be the start of an epidemic if not dealt with promptly, or a massive disaster that could poison an enormous amount of populated land for generations.

      Whether it's nuclear power in the hands of amoral incompetent business types or deadly diseases, you idiots believe you're experts and know better than the actual experts. Well, you don't, so why don't you just shut up and appreciate those who make tangible contributions to keeping you safe.

    6. Re:American Culture by tmosley · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The same protein is present in human brains, and it is absolutely transmissible to and between any mammal (or at least any mammal that uses that protein, or one similar enough to be similarly affected). My great aunt died from it decades ago. She contracted it in England as a child, apparently.

    7. Re:American Culture by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Informative

      Indeed. Four cases of a disease in cows (in the US), with three humans infected is indeed extremely threatening. Never mind the UK had an actual epidemic, with over 180,000 cases in cows, and still only had 176 people infected (from Wikipedia). In my mind, that makes BSE less dangerous than... well, just about everything. Hell, there have only been 280 reported cases of infected humans from BSE, ever. Tell me again why people should be scared? Yes, health officials should be careful: damned careful. The average person? Don't worry about it.

      No one said nothing should be done. They did what needed to be done: euthanized the cow and dispose of the corpse properly.

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    8. Re:American Culture by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course, we are just starting to look for it.

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    9. Re:American Culture by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually the odds are better that you kid will be killed by a car (77 to 1), drowning in a bathtub ( 685,000 to 1 ) slipping and killing himself/herself in the shower (2,232 to 1) even being struck by lightning (576,000 to 1 ) hell they even have better odds of dating a supermodel (88,000 to 1) or striking it rich on antiques roadshow ( 60,000 to 1). Here is the source so I'd say out of ALL the things we parents ACTUALLY have to worry about BSE is pretty damned low on the list. Not saying that can't change, not saying we shouldn't do our best to protect the food supply, just saying panicking is probably pretty unwarranted ATM.

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    10. Re:American Culture by Cyberax · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is: 1) Cows SHOULD NOT even get infected. That means that cows are fed lightly processed cow meat. 2) BSE is a disease with very long incubation period. If BSE infected food supply then we can start getting many new infections. 3) BSE is incurable and always leads to death.

    11. Re:American Culture by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Funny

      Quit poisoning the debate with facts.

    12. Re:American Culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      never tell me the odds!

    13. Re:American Culture by Eivind+Eklund · · Score: 5, Informative

      It doesn't mean that the cow are fed cow meat at all. The prion that cause BSE can be created naturally through mutation, and then reproduce. This kind of mutation happens very occasionally, but it does happen often enough that we have seen it happen several times. This is believed to be such a case; to quote the Associated Press coverage:

      Clifford said the California cow is what scientists call an atypical case of BSE, meaning that it didn't get the disease from eating infected cattle feed, which is important.

      That means it's "just a random mutation that can happen every once in a great while in an animal," said Bruce Akey, director of the New York State Veterinary Diagnostic Laboratory at Cornell University.

      Eivind.

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    14. Re:American Culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually the odds of being killed by flu was enormously lower in 1917 than in 1918: "The unusually severe disease killed up to 20% of those infected, as opposed to the usual flu epidemic mortality rate of 0.1%" [Wikipedia]. If you were in the 20-40 age range the spike was even larger.

      That's why brain-fitted humans are slightly more nervous about infectious diseases than shower slipping: unless the "One Lamborghini Per Child" program is implemented, illnesses have a far greater potential of quickly changing their odds of terminating your life than the other causes of death you cited.

    15. Re:American Culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      BSE is poorly tested for in the USA (regulations not adhered to or relaxed) , this is why many US beef products are/were unwelcome in Japan.
      Human infection is understated, symptoms and diagnosis can take 10 years to manifest. There are postmortem studies performed in the 90's that indicate over 25% of diagnosed dementia and Alzheimer's victims were actually BSE infected individuals.

      These studies were not widely distributed and testing has been allowed to become relaxed for purely economic reasons. ... See the UK incidence.

    16. Re:American Culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Your referenced source says "Odds of being killed sometime in the next year in any sort of transportation accident: 77 to 1," which you paraphrased as "you kid will be killed by a car (77 to 1)."

      And there is obviously something wrong with this one, since your chances of dying next year aren't even 77 to 1. Perhaps they meant the chance that, if you die next year, you will die in any sort of transportation accident is 77 to 1.

      Or maybe they just made it up, since your referenced source has no referenced sources.

    17. Re:American Culture by davester666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You mean "of course, we are just starting to appear to look for it".

      The industry has actively resisted increasing testing for BSE for two reasons:
      1) it costs money
      2) it finds cows with BSE

      Of course, the USDA has required insanely higher levels of testing for cows/beef from Canada.

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    18. Re:American Culture by xenobyte · · Score: 4, Funny

      Of course, the USDA has required insanely higher levels of testing for cows/beef from Canada.

      Of coruse! - It's Canada! - We all know they're planning to invade the US and it would make their invasion much easier if everybody had CJD (the human variant of BSE, possibly caused by eating BSE-infected meat), right? - So remain vigilant when it comes to those pesky Canadians! :)

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    19. Re:American Culture by xenobyte · · Score: 5, Informative

      BSE is poorly tested for in the USA (regulations not adhered to or relaxed) , this is why many US beef products are/were unwelcome in Japan.
      Human infection is understated, symptoms and diagnosis can take 10 years to manifest. There are postmortem studies performed in the 90's that indicate over 25% of diagnosed dementia and Alzheimer's victims were actually BSE infected individuals.

      These studies were not widely distributed and testing has been allowed to become relaxed for purely economic reasons. ... See the UK incidence.

      Humans don't get BSE (Hint: The 'B' stands for 'Bovine') - they get Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease (CJD). They're both prion diseases but the actual prion involved differs. It is believed that BSE prions from food can trigger invalid folding of the CJD prion in humans and thus CJD but the details are not completely understood. Both BSE and CJD can also be triggered through genetic defects, either hereditary or through mutations.

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    20. Re:American Culture by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry, but after the ride you guys gave other countries after outbreaks of BSE, you deserve it this time.

    21. Re:American Culture by robthebloke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In my mind, that makes BSE less dangerous than... well, just about everything.

      Yes, but what you are failing to understand is that whilst there may have been 180,000 cows who caught the disease, that is a small drop in the ocean compared to the number of animals who were put down to prevent any possibility of transmission. After the disease devastated the export market for British beef, it devastated the beef industry as a whole, and put countless farmers out of business (with numerous reports of farmers taking their own lives). It took decades for the industry to recover. It's a hideous disease.

    22. Re:American Culture by Tastecicles · · Score: 2

      it still hasn't recovered. Have you seen the price of prime cut lately? I have, but that's only because I went shopping yesterday. For comparison, a kilo of smoked wild atlantic salmon fillet is £23. A kilo of prime cut beef is £24. That's ASDA price. I shit ye not, a knot of beef the size of your fist will lighten your wallet by at least £10.

      Way back when a beef dinner was an almost daily occurrence for me (1992), a kilo of prime cut could be had for change out of a fiver. On the bone was even cheaper. Then the whole BSE thing scared up and British beef disappeared completely, to be replaced with French beef at five times the price, and nothing on the bone. Out of principle (I believe that if you can source it locally, that is what you fucking do!) I stopped eating beef until the ban on British meat was lifted. That and discovering by observing (from ten days yumping through France), what the French feed their bovine stock.

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  3. Whew... by d'baba · · Score: 2

    FTA: The Centers for Disease Control reports that the chance of contracting mad cow disease, even after consuming contaminated products, is less than one in 10 billion, if at all.

    I figure since we won't even have 10 billion people for a while yet, we're safe!

    1. Re:Whew... by Sperbels · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And this would be based on what exactly?

    2. Re:Whew... by crutchy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      duh!

      obviously they have tested 10 billion people

    3. Re:Whew... by No,+I+am+Spratacus! · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, perhaps the American Red Cross will now allow people from Europe or who have lived in Europe to donate blood.

      As of now, people who have "spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 5 years or more from January 1, 1980, to present, in any combination of country(ies) in Europe" are ineligible to donate; the time is even shorter (3 months) for the UK, all because of mad cow paranoia.

  4. Good news bad news by poity · · Score: 5, Funny

    At least we can look forward to cheaper steaks for a while

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    1. Re:Good news bad news by Nesa2 · · Score: 2

      Prices go up when supply is down... unlikely for demand to go down as well... BBQ season!

    2. Re:Good news bad news by poity · · Score: 2

      You can bet demand will go down in the short term as Americans get into paranoia mode about beef, and supply isn't going to go anywhere (in fact they may go up as exports decline due to international fear of US beef) Yummy steaks here we come!

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  5. No wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'll just leave this here.

    1. Re:No wonder by adamfranco · · Score: 2

      Nice graphic. One note however: The "National Tracking System" (at least as currently envisioned -- comprehensive and applying to all livestock) is going to be yet a further burden harming small family farms. The last version of the system I looked at would require updating a database every time livestock moved onto a non-contiguous property. While this isn't an issue for large feedlot operations, many small farms lease pasture from neighbors and transport the animals a mile or two on a regular basis.

      I prefer to buy by beef from a farm I drive past daily where I can watch my future steaks (and lamb chops) grazing in the field. The accountability that comes with a personal relationship with the farmer is infinitely greater than can ever be achieved with any concentrated feedlot/packing operations. Plus, if I do get sick I can tell the farmer and in turn all of his customers -- limiting any outbreak to small community rather than sparking a national epidemic.

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  6. Mad cows come from California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    As a Wisconsinite who always snickers a little when I see one of those moronic "Happy Cows come from California" commercials on TV, I'll probably tear something from laughter the next time I see one. Cheese is part of our holy trinity: Beer, the Packers, and Cheese. Californian dairies probably aren't aware of the fact that a cow udder with one teat ain't an udder.

  7. Cods Whallap! by Mr0bvious · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So we only have an estimated population of around 7 billion people, yet as of November 2006 there were 200 individuals worldwide diagnosed with mad cow disease, including 164 people in the United Kingdom, 21 in France, 4 in the Republic of Ireland, the 3 in the US, 2 in the Netherlands, and 1 each in Canada, Italy, Japan, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, and Spain, according to the CDC. Of these individuals, most (170) had lived in the UK for over 6 months during the years 1980-1996; 20 others had lived in France during that time. [taken from: http://rarediseases.about.com/od/rarediseases1/a/vcjd.htm ]

    So using CDC math we should only have a 0.7 reported cases........

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    1. Re:Cods Whallap! by ravenshrike · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How often did they eat contaminated meat?

    2. Re:Cods Whallap! by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, using improperly-applied statistics we have 0.7 cases.

      Now consider that the CDC statistic likely refers to the per-exposure chance. 200 people worldwide with the disease, a one in 10 billion is about 2 trillion exposures, which works out to about only needing 285 exposures per person since 1980. I've personally been exposed to risky meat more than that.

      I am not an epidemiologist, though, and I'd wager that your and GP aren't, either.

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    3. Re:Cods Whallap! by Mr0bvious · · Score: 2

      I see the flaws in my comment :)

      Oh well, at least the other's thinking the same silly idea will now see where our thinking was flawed.

      Thanks for correcting my blabber!

      (indeed, I am far from a epidemiologist)

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    4. Re:Cods Whallap! by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      I don't know about BSE-contamininated, but I chose my words carefully... I just said "risky". Between volunteering in Africa and traveling around Europe, I've had my share of meat that I knew had unclean sources. I've had the intestinal worms to prove it.

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  8. Don't eat T-Bones by sandytaru · · Score: 5, Informative

    Prions are primarily present in nerve tissue. The major concentration of nerve tissue is in cuts of meat like the T-Bone, which by their nature may still have traces of the spinal cord. Stick with cheaper, lesser cuts of meat (that aren't pink slime...) such as chuck, shank, and brisket, and you'll be fine.

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    1. Re:Don't eat T-Bones by Lil'wombat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Absolutely. A random test of a cow supposedly not destined for the food supply gets tested positive. And we are to believe everything else is OK? I think a new guy on the job didn't get the memo and tested the wrong cow. Lets see how quickly they expand the testing. All QC policies I've worked under, allowed for decreased sampling until a defect was found, then a full statistically sample had to be pulled and tested.

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    2. Re:Don't eat T-Bones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Cooking the meat doesn't help: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/02/science/02qna.html

    3. Re:Don't eat T-Bones by Vegan+Cyclist · · Score: 2
      This is the tip of the iceberg - consider how cattle are primarily killed: the captive-bolt gun. It propels a chunk of steel into the animal's brain, which is pulverized, and bits of brain are then carried through the body of the animal via the circulatory system.

      And as the OP mentions, nerve tissue is where prions are found, and TSE's are found primarily in the brain. It turns the brain to 'sponge', thus the S in Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathy, or BSE (Mad Cow) which is Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy, which in turn is CJD or vCJD in humans.

      Eating meat is risky.

      There, i fixed that for ya. ;)

    4. Re:Don't eat T-Bones by sonamchauhan · · Score: 3, Informative

      This cow was destined to be fed to other cows (it was tested at a 'rendering' facility). So, statistically speaking, other infected cows have been processed and eaten by cows destined for food.

      Supposedly, high-risk portions (brain, spinal cord) are excluded from being turned into cowfeed, but have to wonder - do they get every last prion?

      The sooner they stop this nonsense, the better.

    5. Re:Don't eat T-Bones by TheEmperorOfSlashdot · · Score: 2

      It is not illegal to feed cow parts to chickens and then feed the chicken parts back to cows.

  9. Private BSE Testing by PPH · · Score: 5, Informative

    There was a suggestion to do private testing for BSE by individual ranchers the last time there was an 'outbreak'. The idea was to market their product as having been tested. But that was banned by the USDA.

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    1. Re:Private BSE Testing by __aawavt7683 · · Score: 2

      http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=949053&cid=24814727:

      [The "rapid" BSE test in question] can detect abnormal prions only if they exist in a relatively high concentration, and abnormal prions typically reach detectable concentrations only two to three months before an animal exhibits observable symptoms. The incubation period for BSE (i.e., from infection to observable symptoms) is two to eight yearsâ"the average being five yearsâ"and cattle younger than thirty months are rarely symptomatic. Because most cattle for slaughter in the United States go to market before they are twenty-four months old, ...

      http://www.mad-cow.org/00/dec00_mid2_news.html:

      Asked what scientific evidence he could give to reassure the public that a negative BSE test result was not a "false negative," Schimmel replied: "Nobody can do that." The report said it is usual for all biochemical tests used in medicine or animal welfare to be assessed against hundreds or even thousands of different samples to test how sensitive they are at detecting "true" negatives, and how specific they are at determining "true" positives.

      However, this has not been done with any of the Commission-approved BSE tests, used in the context of assessing whether an apparently healthy animal is incubating the disease.

  10. Re:canada needs to close its border to american be by Monchanger · · Score: 2

    Neither, because they can just switch to using ground moose for a couple months.

    But seriously, they probably don't import very much beef from California dairy farms so this is a non-issue.

  11. Re:Can I get a study on this? by Genda · · Score: 2

    Try this as a test... a sample mad cow

  12. Natural case, not transmitted through feed by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 4, Informative
    If you RTFA, it points out:
    1. This cow was never going to be sold for meat.
    2. This was a single point case of BSE; it wasn't the result of a transmission vector like contaminated feed, it just arose naturally (like prion diseases do in most mammals on rare occasions)

    Ever since we stopped feeding ground up cow parts to other cows, the rate of BSE has dropped to near zero; it's only when cow engage in cannibalism that the disease spreads to enough cattle to produce a measurable risk to any human.

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    1. Re:Natural case, not transmitted through feed by Brett+Buck · · Score: 3, Funny

      it's only when cow engage in cannibalism that the disease spreads to enough cattle

          Never turn your back on one, that's for sure!

    2. Re:Natural case, not transmitted through feed by mvdwege · · Score: 2

      Actually, there is only a very weak ban on feeding certain animal parts to ruminants in the US. And the enforcement of that ban is questionable.

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  13. Re:Dang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How long before I go completely vegetarian?

    Enjoy dying horribly from contaminated spinach, tomatoes, lettuce, et cetera.

    If eating is going to kill me, I choose to die by the steak.

  14. Re:In California ?!?! by lennier1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The infection attacks the brain. It's been decades since one of those was anywhere near D.C.

  15. Re:Dang by Cyberax · · Score: 2

    Nope. BSE is caused by mutant (misfolded) _proteins_ (not even viruses!) which can even survive cooking. Ammonia is no danger for them, as it doesn't affect proteins.

  16. Re:In California ?!?! by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have no mod points but I feel you should be modded insightful and not as funny. It's too sadly, tragically true to be funny.

  17. Re:Fault: Obama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    If that were actually the real policy, then there would never be any outbreaks. The disease only transfers by eating brains and nerves. The cows can only catch it if the farmers are feeding their cows brains and nerves. From sick cows. Which is pretty disgusting considering they are herbivores.

    Um, you do realize that this is exactly what they do, right? The remains from slaughtered animals are processed and put back into animal feed.

  18. Re:Dang by Cyberax · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, it's definitely prions. They were identified as an infectious agents and were even shown to evolve (!!!) resistance to experimental anti-prion drugs. http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2009/12/evolution_without_genes_-_prions_can_evolve_and_adapt_too.php

  19. Actually it's 0 humans infected by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    By American beef. If you actually read the report from the CDC the 3 people diagnosed in the US all are believed to have been infected when they were living outside of the US. (If I remember correctly 2 were British and it's expected they were infected when they lived in the UK and the 3rd was a Saudi that got infected in Saudia Arabia.) IE worry more about dying from bad spinach or contaminated tap water.

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  20. Re:In California ?!?! by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

    If I had points, I would throw an insightful at you.

  21. Re:In California ?!?! by tbird81 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I had points, but I posted this comment and lost them.

  22. so what are they going to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    with Rosie O'Donnel's body?

  23. Re:Dang by couchslug · · Score: 2

    "If eating is going to kill me, I choose to die by the steak."

    If eating is going to kill me, I choose to die by the vagina.

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  24. Re:Dang by realityimpaired · · Score: 2

    I've given up on commercial beef. I will by free range from someone I know but rarely get the chance these days. How long before I go completely vegetarian?

    There's plenty of good reasons to go vegetarian (and plenty of good counterarguments), but fear of BSE-contaminated beef isn't one of them. You're significantly more likely to find contaminated alfalfa than you are beef. We're talking about extremely low chances on either side of the equation, but still...

    If you're really looking for an excuse to eat less meat, start with human evolution and its impact on digestion... 20,000 years ago we didn't eat meat every day... many of us didn't eat meat every week. And if you compare obesity rates in countries with high meat consumption against countries where chief staples are grains such as chick peas or rice, there's a very stark difference. there's other factors (sedentary lifestyle, for example), but there's still a strong correlation between eating too much meat and poor health, in part because the meat has significantly higher calorie density than vegetables but takes longer to break down, so you end up consuming more calories before you feel "full".

    (and no, I'm not a vegetarian... but I also don't start jonesing if I go for a week without having a steak. I don't really care what you choose to eat, as it's your body. just that if you're really looking for an excuse to go vegetarian, then pick a real reason, not a hysterical reason that's not supported by the science.)

  25. Re:canada needs to close its border to american be by DemonGenius · · Score: 2

    As a Canadian, I've had moose before and it's actually quite good, along the same lines as venison. Moose sausage is absolutely to die for! Personally, I prefer bison to beef anyway, it's much leaner and quite tasty. I tend to stay away from beef as much as possible in favor of fish or poultry.

  26. Re:In California ?!?! by dintech · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I had mod points and all I have to show for it are these lousy comments"