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Bitcoin Mining Startup Gets $500k In Venture Capital

Sabbetus writes "Seattle based Bitcoin startup CoinLab secured a $500,000 investment from various investors such as Silicon Valley firm Draper Associates and angel investor Geoff Entress. CoinLab is an emerging umbrella group for cultivating and launching innovative Bitcoin projects. CEO Vessenes said 'if there is a currency that can trade around the world, it's semi-anonymous, it's instant, it's not controlled by government or bank, what's the total value of that currency? The answer to that is, if it works, it's gotta be in the billions. It just has to be for all the reasons you might want to send money around the world.' This type of talk is common from Bitcoin enthusiasts but apparently seasoned investors are starting to agree. Forbes explains the details of their business plan but in short it has to do with tapping the GPU mining potential of gamers, more specifically gamers of free-to-play games. This would add a new revenue stream for online game companies that are trying to provide free games profitably."

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  1. Sucker born every minute. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Shouldn't that be BitCoin mining scam bilks idiots of $500,000?

    1. Re:Sucker born every minute. by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why does this amaze you?
      What are the odds either the writer was paid, Forbes was paid or one of the two have people involved in both?

    2. Re:Sucker born every minute. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      think for a second.

      High processing cycles needed to "generate" a bitcoin?

      Something only has value if someone wants it.

      What exactly are bitcoins and why are they so mathematically complex.

      The transfer of funds from one person to another usually relies on a trusted third-party like Paypal, Visa, or the various banks, which prevent double-spending. Bitcoin is an attempt to remove third-parties from transactions altogether. To prevent double-spends, the transactions are instead verified by a peer-to-peer "mining" network. The incentive for miners to verify transactions is that there is a 50 BTC reward every time a block of transactions solved. The math behind it is complex because the entire system requires zero trust by all parties and there is a clever use of economic incentives to keep everything going.

    3. Re:Sucker born every minute. by DriedClexler · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, good point, every story about Bitcoin should re-hash every major and minor criticism anyone has made about it, regardless of how many times they've been made public, or the relevance to the story.

      I mean, while we're at it, be sure to mention how bitcoin uses SHA256 cryptographic hashes for proof of work, as well as the relevant journal articles on SHA-2's potential weaknesses, on double-spend attacks and their countermeasures, etc etc etc.

      That way it'll be sure to be a nice, to-the-point, concise article, pandering to every possible concern. They might even be able to squeeze in a few words about some mining startup and the VC they raised!

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    4. Re:Sucker born every minute. by gorzek · · Score: 3, Informative

      Given that its (eventual) deflation is a key feature of the protocol, I would think it merits mentioning up front. I mean, hell, they wouldn't have to say much about it, since you can assume a Forbes reader knows what currency deflation is. Something simple like:

      The supply of Bitcoins is not infinite. After a set number of transactions (estimated to be reached around the year 2140), no more Bitcoins will be generated, making the currency permanently deflationary from that point forward.

      There you go, summed up in 36 words. Could probably even be trimmed a bit for space, if necessary.

    5. Re:Sucker born every minute. by DriedClexler · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The definition of deflation is *decreasing* money supply, not stagnant money supply.

      It's just that our current world is so hopped up on pro-inflation propaganda that even a failure to sufficiently pump up the money supply in perpetuity is, to some, "the same thing as deflation".

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    6. Re:Sucker born every minute. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, bitcoins is not actually a real scam... it might have been in the beginning... But as soon as people are paying to get bitcoins and you can sell your bitcoins you can start making money....

      Just as an example... Store X sells a product for Y bitcoins and can then sell those bitcoins for Z amount of your local currency it becomes a quite valuable way to do transactions...
      No cost for making a payment.. compare that to Mastercars/Visa etc where they take a 2% cost.. maybe even a fixed cost per transaction... This is actually a very nice way for micro-transactions...

      So i would say the idea, and actual implementation here is quite good, and you also have to remember that the mining will just work for a limited timespan and then no more mining is possible since all the currency has been generated..

    7. Re:Sucker born every minute. by nedlohs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most people care about prices not the money supply.

      Most people expect population and economic production to increase over time.

      Thus most people see a stagnant money supply as price deflation.

    8. Re:Sucker born every minute. by tqk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So instead of accepting real money minus a transaction cost, I could take fake money for free.

      Are you calling those slips of paper with pretty printing on them "real money?" I think you've been hoodwinked.

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    9. Re:Sucker born every minute. by DriedClexler · · Score: 3, Informative

      Er, not quite. When you lose the private key to a bitcoin public key that has received (net) bitcoins, those bitcoins are gone. You would have to somehow infer the private key from the public key, which is by design impossible to do in feasible time.

      There is no mechanism for getting the network to "re-credit" you your lost coins. No amount of whining about how this or that HD crashed or computer was hacked will allow you to regain access to the credits. At the very least, it would require a full fork and migration of the entire blockchain (i.e. global ledger), with full cooperation, to cover up your little oopsie ... which isn't going to happen.

      As always, of course, if you have the private key(s) backed up somewhere, you can go right on re-spending like nothing happened.

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    10. Re:Sucker born every minute. by Nursie · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, I don't believe that money should be treated that way.

      Yes, I know, that much is obvious. I was simply saying that many people (myself included) have given this some thought and think that the status quo is far from desirable, but far better than what is proposed by goldbugs.

      I don't care what's in Fort Knox, it doesn't affect me, I do care that money supply can grow when needed, and be adjusted as the economy demands, and encourage moderate spending rather than hoarding based on expectation of future growth. I know these things are anathema to you and people that think like you, I just want you to appreciate that some of us have heard your arguments and disagree.

  2. More bitcoins than sense by hmmm · · Score: 5, Funny

    I officially declare Internet Bubble 2 as confirmed!

  3. amazing use of resources by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the 21st century, humans have invented fake mines to work in, and fake mining companies that mine in them.

    Not fake mines likes the ones in Minecraft that might actually be interesting, of course. And not a side-effect of something else, like WoW's "gold farmers". Fake mines that exist solely and purposely to be tediously mined by fake mining companies! Now that's creating value. Value that's "gotta be in the billions".

    1. Re:amazing use of resources by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's probably quite interesting to watch from the inside too, if you're one of the people who got in early on the pyramid scam.

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    2. Re:amazing use of resources by SaroDarksbane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now that's creating value.

      I realize this is snark, but having a currency that is semi-anonymous, convenient, and resistant to meddling by central banks would be quite valuable to some.

      The value you place on such a thing is probably not very high, but value is entirely subjective, and can only be shown on an individual basis by what that person is willing to trade to acquire the object (or information) in question.

    3. Re:amazing use of resources by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The next time you're playing a free solitaire game online, and your CPU fan is going wide open, your gpu fan is wide open, the room feels hot and stuffy all of a sudden, and the lights dim, just seek solace in the fact that you're making someone else fake money.

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  4. LOL by wervr · · Score: 3, Funny

    I am going to laugh so hard the first time I see and hear someone playing farmtown while their video card is at 90 decibel turbo speed.

  5. You're kidding me??!?! by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'if there is a currency that can trade around the world, it's semi-anonymous, it's instant, it's not controlled by government or bank, what's the total value of that currency? The answer to that is, if it works, it's gotta be in the billions. It just has to be for all the reasons you might want to send money around the world.'

    It's also going to be top of the list of every law enforcement agency across the globe. Governments tend not to like their citizens taking part in transactions that don't have a paper trail.

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    1. Re:You're kidding me??!?! by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Governments tend not to like their citizens taking part in transactions that don't have a paper trail.

      That is true, however politicians and bureaucrats really like having a way to receive bribes that don't leave a paper trail. Which impulse will win out in the end?

  6. Re:Bitcoin why? by dadioflex · · Score: 5, Funny

    I just don't understand Bitcoin and "mining" whatsoever.

    Oh, you didn't recently invest half a million dollars in a start-up, did you?

  7. Trojan by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Forbes explains the details of their business plan but in short it has to do with tapping the GPU mining potential of gamers,

    So 'in short', they're going to trojan a video game and turn a bunch of PCs into a botnet to generate bitcoins. But because it's a business doing this, and not some teenager in his mom's basement, they're going to make billions instead of go to jail? That sound about right?

    If any other kind of software you ran was doing something in the background other than what you wanted to do, it would be called malware.

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    1. Re:Trojan by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They will disclose it in the EULA, that no one reads.

  8. Bitcoin haters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    never seem to understand the advantages of it is a form of exchange and yet they will cry and moan every time the government takes another one of their freedoms, another step into their privacy, another step towards authoritarianism.

    Bitcoin is an incredible idea: decentralized exchange, totally anonymous, no central body to print it out of existence, no government to track who your exchanging with and for what, a limited stable inflation on the money supply with no one to dictate that "the crisis would end if we just gave the banks more money".

    Would I want to store all of my wealth in bitcoin? No. Do I like the idea of being able to convert my money into an exchange medium that is untraceable? Of course.

    How many stories have we read of governments steering us towards a cashless society where all forms of exchange are withing their monitoring (not to moention all forms of communication.)

    To me bitcoin is the currency equivalent of TOR and shouldn't be hated on.

  9. bitcoin's biggest drawback by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Control the 'net and you control bitcoin. Do you think pippa/acta / cispa and variants are limited to the riaa and mpaa agenda only?

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  10. Re:It has to be? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You don't understand the nature of fiat currency. Money (most currencies anyways) has a value because people want it to have a value. Bitcoin is no different.

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  11. Re:Bitcoin why? by Statecraftsman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Take a little time to read about it :https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/

    If you like technology, there are many fascinating areas that Bitcoin brings together: p2p networks, cryptography, economics to name a few.

    Regardless of the image problem Bitcoin has and people's propensity to denounce it based on what they've heard, it really is a revolutionary development. If the current Bitcoin network doesn't make it into your life, you can bet that one or many of its predecessors will.

    One of the things it enables is fast global transactions. I created a site to sell digital downloads for Bitcoin called CoinDL: https://www.coindl.com/ and the processing time is averaging under 10 seconds which is pretty impressive considering there's no company, government or other centralized organization involved in the transfer.

  12. Re:It has to be? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You don't understand the nature of fiat currency

    ...oh the irony...

    Money (most currencies anyways) has a value because people want it to have a value

    Government back currencies have value because the government creates demand for those currencies through taxes. The US dollar has value because millions of Americans have to pay their taxes, and they cannot use Bitcoins, gold bars, or Tulips to do so -- they have to use US dollars to do so. Governments also create demand by charging for various services, assigning damages in court, etc. -- people are compelled to pay in government issued currency.

    Bitcoin, on the other hand, has nobody creating demand for it, just a lot of hype and promises of secure and anonymous payments.

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  13. Duplicate by Compaqt · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't the editors read what they post?

    We just had an article about billionaires funding a crazy mining scheme a few days ago.

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  14. Re:Bitcoin why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Creating numbers and telling people they have value is not being a producer of value.

    The work that went into the crypto behind bitcoin was useful skilled work, that created value for society. Running a bitcoin mining operation is not.

  15. Re:Prioritization? by jank1887 · · Score: 3, Informative

    150W = 0.15kW x 24hrs/day = 3.6kWh/day x $0.10/kWh = $0.36 / day x 30 days/month = $10.80 / month.

    Rescale according to your local electricity cost and actual number of hours per day.

  16. Re:Bitcoin why? by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What? Being the creator of a scam now is something to be valued?

    C'mon, seriously, how hard did you need to try to miss that point?

    The GP pointed out nothing more controversial than saying that the mint doesn't give your money its value, the fact that you can use it to buy bread and gasoline, and pay your rent and taxes, does. If you want to disagree with that, I can't stop you, but it just sounds deliberately obtuse at this point.

    You guys need to go back to calling it a Ponzi scheme, at least then we can consider you legitimately ignorant about what that means.


    If the creators of Bitcoin truly wanted to create some kind of new currency, they should have set it up in such a way that they didn't get the lions share of the bitcoins right away, signalling to everyone else that it's a fucking scam.

    You mean, exactly like they did?

    The Bitcoin block chain has exactly one "pre-mined" block, which remains unredeemed; and even if Satoshi himself someday shows up to claim it, at this point a mere 50BTC would have no effect whatsoever on the stability of the Bitcoin economy (currently with 8.8 million BTC in circulation).

    You personally had just as much chance (adjusted for hardware) at mining every... single... block generated since that origin block, as all those who did so instead of whining about fairness; and your ongoing failure to do anything about it except sow FUD about the entire concept doesn't inspire sympathy.

  17. Wow look at all these trolls. by repapetilto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is becoming more and more obvious who is on which side of the bitcoin "debate". This thread honestly isn't even worth reading, everyone who knows what they are talking about is spending all their time explaining the most basic info to idiots. Admittedly there are a few lazy, but intelligent sounding posters mixed in, but this is mostly just troll FUD. 95% of normal people either think it is interesting or just don't care.

  18. What's with all the hositility by mathimus1863 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, there's a lot of people who are in Bitcoin because of become-a-billionaire-overnight fantasies. Yes, they are silly. But you remove all that and you're left with a really fascinating system that should appeal to everyone on Slashdot. It's a mix of cryptography, freedom of speech, computing, networking, finance, economics, and even politics -- most of us here dig that stuff.

    Get over the hype and take Bitcoin for what it really is: a fascinating experiment that has, so far, withstood the amazing barrage of publicity, hacking attempted, legal uncertainties, and remains valuable for reasons completely contrary to everyone that says it's worthless. It may become worthless one day, but consider the possibility that Bitcoin is disproving all your wildly oversimplified assumptions about what makes something valuable. It is completely different, and there's plenty of reasons to believe that it could succeed as much as it could fail.

    I like to think of Bitcoin like gold. Nothing is backing gold. It's a material for which there is a limited supply in the world, and which is universally regarded as value because of various properties it has: perhaps beauty, fungibility, density, etc. Bitcoin is really the same, with a limited global supply, except that it has different properties, mainly ease of transfer over the internet, fungibility, storage efficiency, near-anonymity and built-in escrow.

    I don't think it's any more ludicrous for Bitcoin to have value than it is for gold to have value. And in the end, when I want to sell WoW weapons, buy webserver space, or play a few games of poker online, why would I use gold, cash or paypal, which all require me to remember log-in creditials, give away information and/or a bunch of third party fees. There's plenty of value in being able to pay people across the world, instantaneously, without sacrificing your privacy, and without paying any fees. Why is that not valuable? Seriously... quit focusing on the get-rich-quick kids, and start appreciating Bitcoin for it's unique properties and philosophy.

  19. No not so much by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    An unchanging money supply in a growing economy and population = automatic deflation. A simple example:

    Suppose you and 3 of your friend create your own little currency. You each get two "favour tokens". Any time you want someone to do a favour for you, you pay them a token, and you get paid a toekn if you do a favour for them. This works so well that someone else decides they want in. You all say fine, but they don't get any tokens, they have to work for their first token. Soon, you have 10 people in your little economy.

    However it is being badly hamstrung by the lack of tokens. At most, 8 people can have a token, there will always be at least two people without a token. So you start having lots of situations where people want to do a favour, but the person who wants it has no token.

    That right there is deflation. It gets more complicated on a larger economy, of course, but if you have a fixed amount of currency and the economy grows, deflation is inherent.

  20. Determination. by zAPPzAPP · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Spending 500k$ just to troll Slashdot hard.

  21. Re:Bitcoin why? by Nursie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Awesome, so this guy has grabbed about 7% of all the currency there ever will be, and is sitting on it.

    This gives me all sorts of confidence and reason to love bitcoins, oh yes.