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House Passes CISPA

wiedzmin writes "The House approved Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act with a 248 to 168 vote today. CISPA allows internet service providers to share Internet 'threat' information with government agencies, including DHS and NSA, without having to protect any personally identifying data of its customers, without a court order. It effectively immunizes ISPs from privacy lawsuits for disclosing customer information, grants them anti-trust protection on colluding on cybersecurity issues and allows them to bypass privacy laws when sharing data with each other."

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  1. First by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    George Orwell

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    1. Re:First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll192.xml Handy list of the reps who voted for this turd.

    2. Re:First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Both parties aren't equally bad, but the difference is still coke and pepsi. One group stabs you in the back, one stabs you in the front. Take your pick.

    3. Re:First by Moryath · · Score: 5, Informative

      TL;DR version - CISPA is how "Total Information Awareness" and spying on every US citizen without cause becomes legal.

      What's really sad is that the current Supreme Court couldn't even be counted on to assert the 4th amendment if this got challenged in court. After all, 5 of those senile delinquents recently ruled that you can be strip-searched for jaywalking.

    4. Re:First by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Now we'll see if Obama keeps his promise
      (veto the bill).
      I'm not holding my breath.

      In other news: Megaupload will likely Not be prosecuted by the U.S. Government because the judge ruled the government has no authority to "serve" a foreign company. Bad news: The U.S.G. still wins because they've destroyed the company, so RIAA and MPAA got their money's worth when they bribed the politicians to act as their puppets and kill megaupload.

      I can't help wondering if the same tactic will be used in the future against sites or persons that Hollywood/the record companies desire to be silenced. No doubt CISPA will make that task so much easier.

      Danm Fcukers.

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    5. Re:First by someSnarkyBastard · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not to feed the troll here but actually it breaks down as thus:
      Republicans:
              Yea - 206
              Nay - 28
              Not Voting - 7

      Democrats:
              Yea - 42
              Nay - 140
              Not Voting - 8

      Percentage-wise it breaks down as 28% Dems approved the bill vs 85% Repubs supporting.

    6. Re:First by _xeno_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You might also want to check on why your rep voted against it. Mine voted against CISPA too.

      Why?

      Because it didn't go far enough. He essentially wanted it to include an Internet kill switch to stop cyber threats. He did at least mention privacy concerns but one thing is clear: We need an Internet kill switch! We need government regulation describing the exact security software you must be required to buy to place a computer online!

      So check up on your reps. They may have voted "no," but you may not like the reason why.

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  2. House of Representatives by game+kid · · Score: 5, Funny

    House of Representatives, for peculiar values of "Representatives".

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    1. Re:House of Representatives by Imrik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are representatives, just not of the people that voted for them. They represent the people that paid for their campaigns.

  3. "Not voting" by Scareduck · · Score: 5, Informative

    Roll call here. He was among the 15 who did not cast a vote. Thanks, Ron.

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    1. Re:"Not voting" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      By not voting, the estimable Ron Paul did as much as most people posting about it here on /. have done. So he has a bigger microphone, by not voting on it, he did not do his job.

    2. Re:"Not voting" by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Insightful

      [Paul] was among the 15 who did not cast a vote. Thanks, Ron.

      You know, he did put out a lengthy statement Monday slamming this Act and calling a lot of negative attention to it.

      Actions speak louder than words.

    3. Re:"Not voting" by Soupster · · Score: 5, Informative

      By not voting, the estimable Ron Paul did as much as most people posting about it here on /. have done. So he has a bigger microphone, by not voting on it, he did not do his job.

      They pushed the voting day up by one at the last minute. Ron Paul was campaigning in Texas at the time, it was probably logistically impossible for him to get back in time to vote.

    4. Re:"Not voting" by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      (1) He already announced his retirement from Congress.

      (2) According to NBC's Rachel Maddow and other sources, Paul has now won 4 states, and it appears he will win ~10 more over the next few weeks (the states that were won by Gingrich/Santorum are now "freed" to whoever has the most delegates; probably Paul). Plus I expect Maine and Nevada will go to Paul too, since he scored the majority of delegates.

      We're going to have a brokered convention where Romney will not have the 1144 votes to win the nomination. It will be split.

      (3) You don't quit a 26 mile marathon at mile 22. Paul's come all this way, and only has two more months to go. It would be silly for him to quit, especially since he's only ~450 delegates behind Romney, and that gap is closing (see point 2). Paul started the race; he might as well go all the way to the finish line, as he did in 2008.

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  4. Re:Yes, I will tell you that by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Jesus H. Christ. Here is a very clear-cut case, having practically nothing to do with either entitlements or war, in which a strong majority of Democrats voted against expanding the power of the state, and a strong majority of Republicans voted for it. Just out of curiosity, is there anything that could convince you that there's a meaningful difference between the parties?

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  5. Well.... by Dripdry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    my long-time girlfriend and I have been debating whether to leave the country. I guess the strategy is to keep our heads down as long as possible, ignore using the internet, learn another language or two, save up as much as we can, and get the fuck out of this country.

    For some reason I was really starting to think I could settle down in this country, have a family, and be productive.

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  6. Re:The Founding Fathers ... by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

    --Thomas Jefferson.

    The Founding Fathers knew this would inevitably be a problem long before Orwell was born.

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  7. Lyle Myhur said it best by Tanman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "When they took the 4th Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the 6th Amendment, I was quiet because I am innocent. When they took the 2nd Amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun. Now they have taken the 1st Amendment, and I can only be quiet."

        -- Lyle Myhur

  8. Republican Driven Legislation by tyrione · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All you GOP hack lovers who espouse about their love of Privacy, Liberty, Guns, blah, blah, blah take a look at the count:

    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll192.xml

    AYES: GOP 206, DEM 42
    NOES: GOP 28, DEM 140
    NOT VOTING: GOP 8, DEM 7

    Don't tell me the GOP is for your privacy. Stew in your own bull****.

  9. as someone who works at a bank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Let me just give you a sample of the kind of data they will have access to, without a warrant, if Obama doesn't veto this.

    Every transaction you have made involving a card, ever, including the date, time of day, name of the merchant, city and state of the merchant, ID number of the terminal where the card was swiped, amount of transaction, etc etc etc.

    Every time you withdrew money from an ATM. it stores the amount, the location of the ATM, the time of day, etc.

    The same goes for online transactions.

    An image of every check you have ever written.

    Every deposit slip you have used.

    Every time you have talked to a teller in person, the interaction is recorded.

    Every time you have called the bank on the telephone.

    It is all there. Waiting for the government to use it, as it sees fit.

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    Now, link that up with records from places like Wal-Mart. They can correlate card numbers with items. They know what brand of toothpaste you buy. They know what kind of toilet paper you use. They know if you like to buy a lot of baggies (are you a drug dealer?), if you buy a lot of cold medicine (are you a meth dealer?), if you buy a lot of condoms (are you a pimp?), etc etc etc.

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    Now, link this up with projects like the CINDER (Cyber Insider Threat) ADAMS, and PRODIGAL (some of which have been program-managed by former hackers like Mudge from l0pht heavy industries). If you dig through these 'proposals', you will find academics saying things like "Maybe a target goes to lunch at a different time of day. that might indicate a threat". This is where our tax money is going. This is what is being built.

  10. Sad Little People by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can't get it through your heads, but it's true:
    Your
    Republic
    is
    Gone

    The throw little bones your way, called things like a "Ron Paul" or a "Democratic Alternative" so you can't quite give up hope, in pursuit something which became quite impossible, some time ago...

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    1. Re:Sad Little People by reboot246 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bullets in the heads of corrupt politicians solve even more problems.

    2. Re:Sad Little People by DreadPiratePizz · · Score: 5, Informative

      You do know this isn't law yet, right? And you also know that Obama has said he would veto it if it ever came to his desk right? The sky isn't falling dude.

    3. Re:Sad Little People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just like he was gonna veto NDAA until it gave him more power?

    4. Re:Sad Little People by Lothsahn · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm sorry. He signed the bill into law. Had he truly been opposed to it, he could have vetoed it. Sure, his veto could have been overruled, but at least he'd be officially on the record that he didn't support it.

      Also, Obama specifically requested the removal of language that said the NDAA would not apply to US citizens or lawful residents. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DNDHbT44cY

      I'm sorry--I think there's a big difference between "swiftboat veterans" for "truth" and "Obama supported the NDAA and specifically requested some of the draconian language in the bill"

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  11. Re:No they don't. by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "If we overthrew the government, we couldn't watch The Voice anymore."

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  12. Re:No they don't. by Genda · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You want to see some changes?

    Reinstated Glass-Steagall

    Formalize the separation between Church and State.

    Add a new separation between Business and State

    Provide free education through Masters Degree, and for every year after your AA, you have to work as a teacher for 1 year, all your living expenses will be covered and you'll receive a small stipend OR you will serve in the National Guard OR you will work to rebuild the nations infrastructure... pick

    Less than 3% of the nations educational budget should go to administrators... figure out how to divvy that up guys. Education is not an industry, its a birthright

    People will pass a basic test to vote. Those that don't vote will pay a small tax. Those that do vote will receive a small credit. People want to act like idiots, we'll put the dots close together for a couple generations until they get the hint.

    We provide contraception, we teach reproductive health and we explain to young people actions have consequences, some that last a lifetime. We stop being squeamish about telling people the friggin truth and we get desperately honest with one another on a social scale.

    We put checks and balances back in, and we pull the fascist imbeciles out.

    We stop prosecuting whistle blowers and make them national heroes instead.

    We subsidize elections and media donates precisely the same amount of air time to each candidate. Anyone can run for anything, and a non-partisan organization provides extensive information on each candidate for public consumption. This organization is composed of volunteers from diverse backgrounds and beliefs and changes governing members on a frequent and short term basis.

    Freedom of the press and protection from ideological control by any single group, corporate interest, or ideological body will be strictly enforced by law.

    Put a choke hold on the banks, muzzle them, screw the lid on so tight they pop, follow up by doing the same to the insurance companies.

    Split health care into for profit and not for profit. Ensure that not for profit health care is excellent, and accessible to everyone. People who are injured in the commission of felonies and misdemeanor pay 10 times the going rate and if unable to pay must perform public service until the debt is paid.

    Lemme see, did I miss anything? I'm sure I did. Well this is a good start. I figure this might make a dent in the national stupid that pervades our society today.

  13. Re:No they don't. by Jstlook · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Add a new separation between Business and State.

    This needs to be said again and again, until it is heard.

    If a business wants their corporate viewpoint heard in government, they need to encourage their employees, clients/customers, and distributors to vote in their favor, rather than simply throwing money at the problem.

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