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House Passes CISPA
wiedzmin writes "The House approved Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act with a 248 to 168 vote today. CISPA allows internet service providers to share Internet 'threat' information with government agencies, including DHS and NSA, without having to protect any personally identifying data of its customers, without a court order. It effectively immunizes ISPs from privacy lawsuits for disclosing customer information, grants them anti-trust protection on colluding on cybersecurity issues and allows them to bypass privacy laws when sharing data with each other."
George Orwell
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
House of Representatives, for peculiar values of "Representatives".
You can hold down the "B" button for continuous firing.
I'm gonna take a wild stab here and assume that Ron Paul, R-TX, voted "No" on this shitpile.
Roll call here. He was among the 15 who did not cast a vote. Thanks, Ron.
Dog is my co-pilot.
... and then tell me "there's no difference" between Democrats and Republicans.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll192.xml
The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
Whine all you want. How many sent a message to your representatives on this issue? How many will lounge at home come next election? Taking advantage of lethargy is what democracy is all about. Sit around and whine about it and do nothing .... perfect.
slashdot troll = you make a compelling argument I do not like the implications of.
Here's how each representative voted (or not):
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h192
But does anyone know where to find the details about what each of the various amendments was? ('amendment 10' isn't really all that useful)
Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
Because here is how modern American politics work: the state gets expanded at every possible opportunity. This is what the Democrats want (so long as they can get more entitlements) and what the Republicans want (so long as they can get free rein to send the military into new wars). The only question is, what gets expanded?
As I have said elsewhere, it's pretty obvious that the government plans on listening to everything going on on the Internet. This is just legal formalism.
Dog is my co-pilot.
Actually, executing traitors who brazenly break their solemn oath to uphold the constitution WOULD be a positive step.
Actually it is.
When you're executing someone you're only taking their life.
When you violate someone's constitutional rights, that's a crime worse than murder. It is taking away the human rights that we're all entitled to and deciding that your profits, your business, and nebulous "threats" are a reason to go through the trash and history of every single person that has never been accused of a crime.
It's better to have a bomb attack every day -- even on my house -- than to give ISPs the ability to be immune from lawsuits, to share my private data, and to allow the government to decide that you know what, warrants are a pain in the ass after all.
Those are not the actions of a democratic government, or even a republic. If they aren't ready to put the integreity of the constitution ahead of their meagre lives, then yeah, that's treason. And the US is at war. Hang 'em up in from of the Capitol as a warning to the others.
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ECHELON is a government program to find words like bomb, jihad, plutonium, assassinate, and anarchy.
That's why the rest of the world calls it "The American Fall".
(The rest of the world calls the season "Autumn.")
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ECHELON is a government program to find words like bomb, jihad, plutonium, assassinate, and anarchy.
my long-time girlfriend and I have been debating whether to leave the country. I guess the strategy is to keep our heads down as long as possible, ignore using the internet, learn another language or two, save up as much as we can, and get the fuck out of this country.
For some reason I was really starting to think I could settle down in this country, have a family, and be productive.
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God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure.
--Thomas Jefferson.
The Founding Fathers knew this would inevitably be a problem long before Orwell was born.
"None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license." --John Milton
"When they took the 4th Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the 6th Amendment, I was quiet because I am innocent. When they took the 2nd Amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun. Now they have taken the 1st Amendment, and I can only be quiet."
-- Lyle Myhur
I currently have a VPS that I use as a VPN server for my mobile devices and laptop when I am on travel and redirect all of my traffic through. I do this mainly to keep Verizon and ATT (specifically ATT when I tether) grubby little mitts of my data.
I think it is time to switch to a foreign VPS provider, somewhere in the EU or Asia, and reroute ALL of my traffic through there. My only issue is currently my FIOS speeds far exceed my throughput at my current VPS..
I came, I conquered, I coredumped
It's like smurf. It means whatever the DOJ and LEOs want/need it to mean.
Just started the procedure to move my last two servers off US soil. No more dollars for you my friend!
They did what politicians do best -- lie without remorse.
Bent, folded, spindled, and mutilated.
All you GOP hack lovers who espouse about their love of Privacy, Liberty, Guns, blah, blah, blah take a look at the count:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll192.xml
AYES: GOP 206, DEM 42
NOES: GOP 28, DEM 140
NOT VOTING: GOP 8, DEM 7
Don't tell me the GOP is for your privacy. Stew in your own bull****.
When does this go into effect?
After it is passed by the Senate, and then after the President signs it. What classes do you miss in elementary school?
Let me just give you a sample of the kind of data they will have access to, without a warrant, if Obama doesn't veto this.
Every transaction you have made involving a card, ever, including the date, time of day, name of the merchant, city and state of the merchant, ID number of the terminal where the card was swiped, amount of transaction, etc etc etc.
Every time you withdrew money from an ATM. it stores the amount, the location of the ATM, the time of day, etc.
The same goes for online transactions.
An image of every check you have ever written.
Every deposit slip you have used.
Every time you have talked to a teller in person, the interaction is recorded.
Every time you have called the bank on the telephone.
It is all there. Waiting for the government to use it, as it sees fit.
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Now, link that up with records from places like Wal-Mart. They can correlate card numbers with items. They know what brand of toothpaste you buy. They know what kind of toilet paper you use. They know if you like to buy a lot of baggies (are you a drug dealer?), if you buy a lot of cold medicine (are you a meth dealer?), if you buy a lot of condoms (are you a pimp?), etc etc etc.
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Now, link this up with projects like the CINDER (Cyber Insider Threat) ADAMS, and PRODIGAL (some of which have been program-managed by former hackers like Mudge from l0pht heavy industries). If you dig through these 'proposals', you will find academics saying things like "Maybe a target goes to lunch at a different time of day. that might indicate a threat". This is where our tax money is going. This is what is being built.
Can't get it through your heads, but it's true:
Your
Republic
is
Gone
The throw little bones your way, called things like a "Ron Paul" or a "Democratic Alternative" so you can't quite give up hope, in pursuit something which became quite impossible, some time ago...
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
When you violate someone's constitutional rights, that's a crime worse than murder.
Please explain how murdering someone does not take away all their natural and constitutional rights. Oppression is neither so complete nor so permanent a state as death. Rights are only relevant to the living.
Some may choose death over abandoning their principles, for the sake of their own integrity and/or as an example to others, but that is hardly the same thing as claiming that murder is morally superior to oppression. It merely means that you can't safely assume that someone would rather be oppressed than accept the risk (or even certainty) of death—or vise-versa. That is an individual decision, and no one has the right to make that choice for another.
Whether it is better for a few to die or for many to suffer lesser violations of their rights... one might as well ask how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Like most matters involving interpersonal preferences, there is no objective answer. So far as I am concerned, however, the only principled answer is that you shouldn't do either—even if other people make difference choices. If there is a way to prevent the deaths without violating anyone's rights, great. If not, we must learn to live with the risk.
"The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else." - Bastiat
Hmm, it was the conservatives who voted for this travesty.
Obama is threatening to veto it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-threatens-to-veto-cispa-cybersecurity-bill-citing-privacy-concerns/2012/04/25/gIQAkS3khT_story.html
The citizens have to be motivated to get up and use those bullets for the greater good, at great personal risk and with great personal sacrifice.
Until enough people get to that point, the bullets do no good at all.
People will not get to that point if they are largely stupid and complacent, which most Americans are.
Oh yes we do. Herr Harper has his own agenda of paternalistic nonsense brewing. Sending government spokespeople to monitor Federally employed scientists at climate change conferences to make sure they don't say anything that might be, you know, true. Believing the tar sands are actually made of oil and are completely an utterly non-polluting during the extraction and distillation processes. Denying climate change. Opening friendly relations with Burma on the pretext of their "slow road to democracy" when it's really about that country's decent mineral wealth. Thinking evolution's a bit wrong. Completely f-ing up the purchase of F35 fighters by knowingly hiding their true cost of ownership. At least he's terrified of the abortion issue being re-opened ... not because he's pro-choice, but simply that whatever position he'd be forced to take would wipe his political career out.
Harper would love love love to emulate the "best" aspects of controlling everything said and done ... you know, because father knows best.
DaveyJJ
Having access to information does not make one "well informed". One can have access to all the up to the second information and news possible and still " misconceive" the facts. In a way, the internet has made this even more difficult. The raw amount of information available from different sources is even more difficult to process; if not only because of its sheer volume, but also even the amount of detail, spin, and misinformation provided. Instead of only having one or two sources of information to filter and decypher, now you have hundreds, thousands, millions!
No, this point is even more apt now.
Except the internet makes his point mute.
" The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. " well, we pretty much can now.
The people can, yes, but most of them don't want to. The 2008 election was a perfect example of that.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
You prefer the Obama or Romney brand of liberty? While I may not agree with everything Paul says, he's still the best voice in Congress for liberty and the Bill of Rights. I agree with him on 99%.
My AC stalker: " I personally agree with your posts most of the time, but that won't keep me from modding you troll"
No Vote R Paul, Ronald “Ron” TX 14th
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h192
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Excellent argument. Thank you for your input.
No more so than newspapers or television or radio allowed, and look at how bad those are at supplying good information. The Internet is as full, if not more so, of bad information than the world was before it. The reality is no cure for human stupidity and ignorance exists. What is more, the problem has grown much much worse: there is so much information online, it is literally impossible to know even a small fraction of it, much less figure out what of it is important and what is not. Relying on sites like Slashdot or Reddit doesn't work: they are so full of groupthink, actual open discussion (while it does exist) rarely hits the front page.
All the people cannot be well informed on everything. Most people don't even know what "well informed" actually looks like. On some issues, yes, but even then, there are always interests controlling the media (even the Internet, yes even Slashdot) that direct people towards their own point of view. And if you continually only hear one side of the news, you will start to believe it. Everyone does: it's human nature. Or they only listen to one side because they already believe it (happens as often as not too). Either way, the Internet isn't a solution. It's practically part of the problem.
"None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license." --John Milton
Obama also promised to:
Increase the capital gains and dividends taxes for higher-income taxpayers, expand the child and dependent care credit, create a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners, provide the option for a pre-filled-out tax form, require automatic enrollment in 401(k) plans, require automatic enrollment in IRA plans, end income tax for seniors making less than $50,000, end no-bid contracts above $25,000, repeal the Bush tax cuts for higher incomes, phase out exemptions and deductions for higher earners, sign the Employee Free Choice Act, making it easier for workers to unionize, forbid companies in bankruptcy from giving executives bonuses, allow workers to claim more in unpaid wages and benefits in bankruptcy court, allow imported prescription drugs, prevent drug companies from blocking generic drugs, allow Medicare to negotiate for cheaper drug prices, appoint federal-level coordinator to oversee all federal autism efforts, double federal funding for cancer research, direct the Secretary of Health and Human Services to conduct a comprehensive study of federal cancer initiatives, provide the CDC $50 million in new funding to determine the most effective approaches for cancer patient care, fully fund the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA), create a National Commission on People with Disabilities, Employment, and Social Security, change federal rules so small businesses owned by people with disabilities can get preferential treatment for federal contracts, reduce the threshhold for the Family and Medical Leave Act from companies with 50 employees to companies with 25 employees, provide a $1.5 billion fund to help states launch programs for paid family and medical leave, require employers to provide seven paid sick days per year, expand the Family Medical Leave Act to include leave for domestic violence or sexual assault, form international group to help Iraq refugees, work with Russia to move nuclear weapons off hair-trigger alert, close the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center, develop an alternative to President Bush's Military Commissions Act on handling detainees, secure ratification of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT), seek to negotiate a political agreement on Cyprus, reinstate special envoy for the Americas, double the Peace Corps, create a public "Contracts and Influence" database, allow five days of public comment before signing bills, enforce tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials, double funding for afterschool programs, expand the Employment Non-Discrimination Act to include sexual orientation and gender identity, urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws, allow bankruptcy judges to modify terms of a home mortgage, increase the minimum wage to $9.50 an hour, restore Superfund program so that polluters pay for clean-ups, re-establish the National Aeronautics and Space Council, support human mission to moon by 2020, pay for the national service plan without increasing the deficit, reduce the number of middle managers in the federal workforce, strengthen the Age Discrimination in Employment Act, limit term of director of national intelligence, give annual "State of the World" address, reduce earmarks to 1994 levels, enact windfall profits tax for oil companies, create cap and trade system with interim goals to reduce global warming, use revenue from cap and trade to support clean energy and environmental restoration, require plug-in fleet at the White House, require more flex-fuel cars for the federal government, mandate flexible fuel vehicles by 2012, provide an annual report on "state of our energy future," allow penalty-free hardship withdrawals from retirement accounts in 2008 and 2009, recognize the Armenian genocide, ensure no family making less than $250,000 will see "any form of tax increase," negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN, create a public option health plan for a new National Health Insurance Exchange, and introduce a comprehensive immigration bill in the first year.
(From PolitiFact.)
So you'll understand if I don't take Obama at his word.
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
He wants to outlaw abortion. That's not being for liberty.
Since 2000, we've seen the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, Warrantless Wiretapping, telecom immunity for the aforementioned, indefinite detention(and now assassination!) of U.S. citizens without charge or trial, NDAA ... and this relentless effort to legalize internet espionage.
Furthermore, it's no secret that the NSA is building a huge new data center in Utah.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1
This stuff isn't in the realm of "conspiracy theories" nor exclusive to wearers of tinfoil hats.