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UK ISPs Ordered To Block Pirate Bay

Barence writes "Five of Britain's biggest ISPs have been ordered to block access to The Pirate Bay. Sky, Everything Everywhere, TalkTalk, O2 and Virgin Media have been told to block access to the site. Britain's biggest ISP, BT, has been given a few further weeks to 'consider its position.' Music lobby group, the BPI, welcomed the move, saying music creators 'deserve to be paid for their work just like everyone else' and calling for those who use The Pirate Bay to illegally download content to 'explore the many digital music services operating ethically and legally in the UK.'"

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  1. how to unblock by Dave+Whiteside · · Score: 5, Informative
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    1. Re:how to unblock by caknuckle · · Score: 4, Informative

      http://torrentfreak.com/how-to-unblock-the-pirate-bay-111004/ nuff said?

      Since internet traffic itself is routed through the ISP's line's, are they sophisticated enough to block the IP ranges of the Pirate Bay, or would it be simple DNS blocking?

    2. Re:how to unblock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      If other European countries are anything to go on, it'll just be a DNS level "block". Which means I'm laughing, as I use Virgin Media but already use someone else's DNS resolvers.

    3. Re:how to unblock by Spad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The ISPs will very likely take the least-cost, least-effective method available to them under the terms of the court order so as to adhere to it with a minimum of disruption to their profits and their users.

    4. Re:how to unblock by swilver · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's even easier.

      1) Install Opera.
      2) Activate "turbo mode".
      3) Browse as usual.

      Happy downloading.

    5. Re:how to unblock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No. If big music is allowed to censor information just by flexing it's muscles, then this is a problem, no matter how ineffective the means of censorship.

    6. Re:how to unblock by horza · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why do they think implementing mass censorship on a national scale will affect piracy?

      The dumb starts on a much higher strata than the workings of DNS.

      Phillip.

    7. Re:how to unblock by X0563511 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The distillation of it is to use Google's DNS, or some other public DNS system.

      Of course, the best answer if you are sensitive to this kind of thing is to run your own resolver, which isn't all that hard.

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    8. Re:how to unblock by makomk · · Score: 4, Informative

      Pretty much all the ISPs have a very effective content filter originally instated in the name of blocking child porn - it uses a transparent proxy to intercept and block requests at the HTTP level - and I think it's that specifically that they've been ordered to use to block The Pirate Bay. At the time, the ISPs and politicians behind this scheme insisted that it was only targetted at child porn and there wasn't any kind of slippery slope, whilst opponents pointed out that the courts could force them to block other kinds of sites once they had the infrastructure in place.

    9. Re:how to unblock by makomk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This probably won't work in the UK. All the major ISPs have some variant of BT's Cleanfeed censorship system - they were pressured into installing it in the name of stopping child porn - so they're almost certainly going to be blocking at the IP level. The entire point of this court case was to force ISPs to use their very effective existing censorship infrastructure to block sites like The Pirate Bay.

    10. Re:how to unblock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here in the Netherlands we have and IP-level block for some ISPs (Ziggo, the biggest, and XS4ALL, the internet-friendliest). However, research has already shown that this has not reduced piracy through the pirate bay (oddly enough, you'd expect at least one or two people to move on to the next website when 'it doesn't work').

    11. Re:how to unblock by X0563511 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That won't stop DNS functionality, from looking at this. You can use a proxy (or use SSL) to get around the cleanfeed - you just need to know where you are connecting first (and DNS does that job). Note that cleanfeed works by intercepting your request and examining the URL - well, that can only be done by reading an HTTP packet. Can't do that through SSL, or even by using an open proxy (since the "suspect" IP would not be used, and so wouldn't trigger this whole process).

      So: the lessons are! 1: Use your own resolver, if you can't trust a public one. 2: use SSL you damn idiots, stop letting data fly around cleartext! (this last one is a yell at the people hosting the sites, not you poor users)

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    12. Re:how to unblock by SilentChasm · · Score: 3, Informative
    13. Re:how to unblock by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We've done the DNS block thing in Belgium, which makes sense because it's a prefect example of the "belgian solution" which is where you basically do not modify the status quo in any meaningful way and everyone loses a little but can spin it as a win. In this case :
      - Government doesn't really block anything, but can claim to be making an effort.
      - Copyright organizations don't curb piracy, but get to claim they've blocked a major site.
      - ISP's have to waste time on BS DNS blocking, but can claim to be law-abiding good citizens.
      - Customers have to use workarounds, but can feel like they're outsmarting "the man."

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  2. This will work well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because, you know, TPB is the only torrent site on the Interwebs. People won't use other sites or find a work-around. Nope. Not at all.

    1. Re:This will work well by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can search google for filetype:torrent FFS.

      And TPB has legitimate purposes. I've watched several free movies like Pioneer One and The Yes Men Fix the World, as well as free music like Blalock's IRP, an album from an artist named Sosa that I've never heard of before, and all kinds of things.

      Don't get me wrong, that's a small minority of the links up there (since it doesn't host any files, duh) but it's not all links to pirated material.

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    2. Re:This will work well by green1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have had no success with google's filetype search at all recently. it used to work well, but any time I use "filetype" now it just seems to ignore it (of course it generally ignores most of the explicit instructions I give it anyway, so maybe that's just the new google...

  3. Well by Spad · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's piracy sorted, what's next?

    1. Re:Well by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's piracy sorted, what's next?

      "The rest of the internet."

      Note the lack of sarcasm.

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  4. BPI ethics by Anomalyst · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do the BPI members use the same Hollywood accounting methodology to pay their contracted artists, like charging "breakage" against digital music download sales? If so then the BPI concern over the artists getting paid is hypocritically laughable.

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    1. Re:BPI ethics by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Is BPI part of this group?
      "Artists' lawsuit: major record labels are the real pirates" http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/12/artists-lawsuit-major-record-labels-are-the-real-pirates.ars

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  5. Lies. by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "explore the many digital music services operating ethically and legally in the UK.'"

    Yes, and you "can have any color of model T, as long as its black." Please. The popularity of the pirate bay suggests that the 'many digital music services' are woefully lacking in something the pirate bay provides; And study after study have shown that it's not the price that's driving people to those sites, but the ease of use and lack of DRM. People are, in fact, willing to pay to be entertained... they just don't believe that the pricing model accurately reflects the entertainment value of the product -- and when every song is priced the same at the various digitla music stores, that's pretty good evidence they're right; Nobody would say that Manos, Hands of Fate is of equal value to say, The Dark Knight. Well, nobody except the entertainment industry...

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    1. Re:Lies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nobody would say that Manos, Hands of Fate is of equal value to say, The Dark Knight. Well, nobody except the entertainment industry...

      Late last year, somebody found an original 16mm Ektachrome workprint of Manos, and Manos: The Restoration raised $48000 - well over the $10000 goal.

      Sometimes the only way to preserve the long tail is to bypass the industry entirely. It's not worth it for the entertainment industry to resurrect Manos, but it is worth it to people who watch movies.

  6. Agreed by alanthenerd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Music lobby group, the BPI, welcomed the move, saying music creators 'deserve to be paid for their work just like everyone else'

    I agree. It's just unfortunate that when you buy mainstream music only a very tiny percentage goes to the music creators. Most of it goes to record label fat cats and towards lobbying for shit like this ban.

    1. Re:Agreed by v1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It certainly would be nice for some of these billion dollar infringement judgements to go to the music creators. But they probably stood to lose a few dollars. (assuming they ever got out of the hole with the record label they signed on with) Shows just how screwed up the economics of this issue is, on both ends of the line.

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    2. Re:Agreed by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here's an interview where a band told people NOT to bu their CDs, because they get nothing out of such sales. Instead they ask their fans to acquire their music through the net (torrent), and to support them through concert sales.

      Band tells fans not to buy CDs from dishonest label (2nd half of vid) - http://on.rt.com/ekn2z6

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  7. ISP Followup Story by edgypx · · Score: 3, Funny

    Everything Everywhere changes name to Most Things Almost Everywhere

  8. Crushing the Competition by stewsters · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Every single artist on the promo bay should sue the monopoly for anti competitive business practices.

  9. They do not understand... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They think they are punishing TPB by blocking it, and that other torrent sites will be afraid because of the example they make of TPB. It is the sort of thinking that comes from politicians who grew up in a pre-Internet age.

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  10. UK government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a British citizen I am getting more and more sick of the incompetent morons who govern this country.

    Maybe instead of takings bribes from the likes of Rupert Murdoch, outmoded business like the recording industry and the fundamentally failed banking sector they could do some of the following:
    - Financial transaction taxes. Stop the crazy gambling in the financial sector
    - How about cutting fuel taxes (paid for by a 1% increase in corporation tax.) Everyone needs stuff moved around so making it cheaper can only be a good thing.
    - Invest in actual industry rather than bailing out the failed financial sector. You've spent hundreds of billions on this and have nothing to show for it.
    - Build fucking nuclear power stations. Solar, wind, wave, etc are completely impractical so stop wasting money on them
    - Stop wasting money on wars
    - Open up the government and stop fucking with your people

    I'm not even sure who is worth voting for anymore. The Conservatives are as corrupt and sleazy as they were under Thatcher, Labour offer nothing more than "we wouldn't do what the Conservatives are doing but we won't bother to offer any ideas of our own" and the Liberal Democrats have sold themselves out to the Conservatives. Not one of these parties is willing to take any risks or do anything that requires telling the banking sector "NO!" The political class in the UK is completely rotten.

    1. Re:UK government by darthdavid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At least you don't live in the US...

  11. I propose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    capitalism

  12. I actually agree with the BPI by alexo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Music lobby group, the BPI, welcomed the move, saying music creators 'deserve to be paid for their work just like everyone else'

    "Just like everyone else" means "once".

  13. Once upon a time... by zooblethorpe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Indeed. We need a name for the situation in which a company does something beneficial not for any altruistic or ethical reasons, but simply because the most profitable path happens to be aligned with the interests of the users.

    Once upon a time, that was called "doing business".

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  14. And now that the UK has censorship infrasctructure by rastoboy29 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It will now be easier to justify/implement blocking other unapproved sites.

    The main problem with doing this for piracy is that so many people do it.  They are fighting a large proportion of all people.

    Censorship should be limited to only the most egregious things, if that, or it WILL be expanded.

  15. Re:Time for war by dadioflex · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've taken to hanging around HMV and tutting disapprovingly when I see anyone take a CD to the check-out. Don't they realise that money is going to fund a terrorist organization that seeks to censor the proletariat?

  16. Re:Goodbye internet by cjb658 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You don't have to run a Tor relay/exit. In fact, it's off by default.

  17. Slippery slope by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The slippery slope is real.

    Keeping a child rapist from moving next to a school to victimize the children seems like both a noble goal and easy to implement and with only good consequences. (*)

    Only now you've empowered government to decide where you can live. Where you live is a revokable privilege, not a right.

    That will only be used against those monsters, right? right? Good people have NOTHING to worry about.

    WRONG.

    Las Vegas bans even misdemeanor drug offenders from even entering a major portion of the city.

    Google "order out corridor". OOPS!

    Precedents are a dangerous thing.

    Creating infrastructure is a dangerous thing too.

    Onstar can be used by the government to listen to your conversations and even to disable your car, by making it think it is stolen - it will refuse to start.

    (*) Life without parole for the real monsters would eliminate the need for this stuff AND protect the children!
    Or a 38 cent bullet.

      But they don't want to protect the children, they want to control society with an iron fist. Letting molestors out of prison makes people fearful and then they pass these laws, and get precedents, and eventually you have weed heads being banned from huge parts of the city (ironically the Las Vegas order out corridor is so big - drug offenders are more restricted than molestors! Then again, molestation makes the politicans stronger, and drugs reduce their power.)

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